I'm negotiating a lease with a Chicago area dealership for 2017 Q5 Premium Plus/Season of Audi.
They showed me an offer sheet with some information, but as I'm analyzing there are a few areas that I am unable to figure out.
1. Is cash down always the minimum cap cost adjustment you should see? (ex. assuming you had no rebates or allowances, if you but $2k down your cap adjustment should be at least $2k?) If not, can you explain why your cap adjustment would be lower than your down if all other fees are being calculated within your gross cap cost?
2. Anyone understand how taxes are applied in Chicago? It seems there is a 'sales' tax and a use tax. So in the offer sheet we see a tax amount (let's say $2000 or so give or take $500) and then there is a tax on top of the loan payment (so payment of x = lease financing for net cap cost + interest/term... then its payment plus another tax amount). It seems like double taxation?
Any insight would be much appreciated!
1) Is it "$2000 down", or is it "$2000 due at signing"? If it's $2000 due at signing, part of that pays for the first payment, title/registration, etc, etc.. So, the CAP reduction is only the money leftover, after upfront items are paid for. So, even if all of the fee/taxes are paid upfront, your first payment will still come out of your "due at signing" money, making the CAP reduction less than that amount. (Oh yeah, don't forget about sales tax on your CAP reduction. That will also reduce it).
2) Illinois sales taxes are assessed against the sum of the lease payments, and collected upfront. Chicago also has a use/sales tax, and it's a percentage added to the monthly payments (and collected monthly). Total tax in the city runs about 17%. It's a lot.
1. Good Question. We were describing it as "down"... they have it listed as "drive away".
So here are more specific data points that I cannot seem to reconcile;
As a starting point, our factors are; .00060 MF, 10k miles, 36 month lease, 4k "down"... they have the 4k listed as "customer cash" OR "drive away"
Cash Sale Price; $44600 Acq Fee; $795 Doc Fee; $172.15 State Tax; $1662.45
Vehicle Total; $47,289.60
License Fee; $101 State Title; $95 State Transfer; $25
Total Cap; $47,510.60 Cap Reduction; $2889.05 Adj Cap; $44621.55
Monthly PMT; $528.88 Tax; $47.60 total monthly pmt; $576.40
This is all the information that was given and I am trying to reconcile the payment with the given interest rate (MF x 2400), tax rates (I believe it is 9.5 % purchase, 8% month), and the capital costs given the fees they are disclosing at this point. It appears to me that we are financing all the fees, yet our cap reduction is less than our down payment. I'm not sure where the $1100 is going?
Any thoughts here? Are there fees we are not seeing? Or simply doing math wrong?
I'm negotiating a lease with a Chicago area dealership for 2017 Q5 Premium Plus/Season of Audi.
They showed me an offer sheet with some information, but as I'm analyzing there are a few areas that I am unable to figure out.
1. Is cash down always the minimum cap cost adjustment you should see? (ex. assuming you had no rebates or allowances, if you but $2k down your cap adjustment should be at least $2k?) If not, can you explain why your cap adjustment would be lower than your down if all other fees are being calculated within your gross cap cost?
2. Anyone understand how taxes are applied in Chicago? It seems there is a 'sales' tax and a use tax. So in the offer sheet we see a tax amount (let's say $2000 or so give or take $500) and then there is a tax on top of the loan payment (so payment of x = lease financing for net cap cost + interest/term... then its payment plus another tax amount). It seems like double taxation?
Any insight would be much appreciated!
1) Is it "$2000 down", or is it "$2000 due at signing"? If it's $2000 due at signing, part of that pays for the first payment, title/registration, etc, etc.. So, the CAP reduction is only the money leftover, after upfront items are paid for. So, even if all of the fee/taxes are paid upfront, your first payment will still come out of your "due at signing" money, making the CAP reduction less than that amount. (Oh yeah, don't forget about sales tax on your CAP reduction. That will also reduce it).
2) Illinois sales taxes are assessed against the sum of the lease payments, and collected upfront. Chicago also has a use/sales tax, and it's a percentage added to the monthly payments (and collected monthly). Total tax in the city runs about 17%. It's a lot.
1. Good Question. We were describing it as "down"... they have it listed as "drive away".
So here are more specific data points that I cannot seem to reconcile;
As a starting point, our factors are; .00060 MF, 10k miles, 36 month lease, 4k "down"... they have the 4k listed as "customer cash" OR "drive away"
Cash Sale Price; $44600 Acq Fee; $795 Doc Fee; $172.15 State Tax; $1662.45
Vehicle Total; $47,289.60
License Fee; $101 State Title; $95 State Transfer; $25
Total Cap; $47,510.60 Cap Reduction; $2889.05 Adj Cap; $44621.55
Monthly PMT; $528.88 Tax; $47.60 total monthly pmt; $576.40
This is all the information that was given and I am trying to reconcile the payment with the given interest rate (MF x 2400), tax rates (I believe it is 9.5 % purchase, 8% month), and the capital costs given the fees they are disclosing at this point. It appears to me that we are financing all the fees, yet our cap reduction is less than our down payment. I'm not sure where the $1100 is going?
Any thoughts here? Are there fees we are not seeing? Or simply doing math wrong?
I'm negotiating a lease with a Chicago area dealership for 2017 Q5 Premium Plus/Season of Audi.
They showed me an offer sheet with some information, but as I'm analyzing there are a few areas that I am unable to figure out.
1. Is cash down always the minimum cap cost adjustment you should see? (ex. assuming you had no rebates or allowances, if you but $2k down your cap adjustment should be at least $2k?) If not, can you explain why your cap adjustment would be lower than your down if all other fees are being calculated within your gross cap cost?
2. Anyone understand how taxes are applied in Chicago? It seems there is a 'sales' tax and a use tax. So in the offer sheet we see a tax amount (let's say $2000 or so give or take $500) and then there is a tax on top of the loan payment (so payment of x = lease financing for net cap cost + interest/term... then its payment plus another tax amount). It seems like double taxation?
Any insight would be much appreciated!
1) Is it "$2000 down", or is it "$2000 due at signing"? If it's $2000 due at signing, part of that pays for the first payment, title/registration, etc, etc.. So, the CAP reduction is only the money leftover, after upfront items are paid for. So, even if all of the fee/taxes are paid upfront, your first payment will still come out of your "due at signing" money, making the CAP reduction less than that amount. (Oh yeah, don't forget about sales tax on your CAP reduction. That will also reduce it).
2) Illinois sales taxes are assessed against the sum of the lease payments, and collected upfront. Chicago also has a use/sales tax, and it's a percentage added to the monthly payments (and collected monthly). Total tax in the city runs about 17%. It's a lot.
1. Good Question. We were describing it as "down"... they have it listed as "drive away".
So here are more specific data points that I cannot seem to reconcile;
As a starting point, our factors are; .00060 MF, 10k miles, 36 month lease, 4k "down"... they have the 4k listed as "customer cash" OR "drive away"
Cash Sale Price; $44600 Acq Fee; $795 Doc Fee; $172.15 State Tax; $1662.45
Vehicle Total; $47,289.60
License Fee; $101 State Title; $95 State Transfer; $25
Total Cap; $47,510.60 Cap Reduction; $2889.05 Adj Cap; $44621.55
Monthly PMT; $528.88 Tax; $47.60 total monthly pmt; $576.40
This is all the information that was given and I am trying to reconcile the payment with the given interest rate (MF x 2400), tax rates (I believe it is 9.5 % purchase, 8% month), and the capital costs given the fees they are disclosing at this point. It appears to me that we are financing all the fees, yet our cap reduction is less than our down payment. I'm not sure where the $1100 is going?
Any thoughts here? Are there fees we are not seeing? Or simply doing math wrong?
Thanks
Now it's $4000? In your first post it was $2000?
Anyway..
$4000 Due at signing (drive -away, startups... whatever they want to call it) - $576.40 (1st payment) - $505 (tax on $2889 cap reduction) = not exactly $2889, but I'm estimating the tax.
Any CAP reductions reduce the taxable payments, so they are taxed upfront.
(adjusted CAP cost + residual) X MF = Monthly finance charge Don't try to convert it to an APR, as that won't help you calculate it.
all fees, registration and taxes rolled into the lease.
Monthly payment includes tax $655.00 a month.
What can we do better?
Thanks advance.
.00060 and 56%
What is the net cap cost, with all taxes and fees rolled in?
State and tax rate?
You are getting 7% off sticker, which is decent for an Audi. However, with the new 2018 Q5's hitting the lots, dealers might be more aggressive to get the old model off the lot.
$0 OUT OF POCKET includes first monthly payment, taxes, registration, acquisition fee, doc fee.
$655.00 monthly payment includes tax
Those up front costs are normal for a lease; none of which would lower the selling price.
Could it be an incentive that is lowering the selling price? I would confirm that with the dealer.
In fact, we recommend that you limit your up front monies to just the first payment, doc fee and registration. Add the acquisition fee into the cap cost and amortize it over the life of the lease.
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
What state?
Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
What state?
Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
What state?
Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
the above is the latest price point--does this look like a good price and proper breakdown?
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
What state?
Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
the above is the latest price point--does this look like a good price and proper breakdown?
.00060 MF and 55% residual for 36/10.
That quote doesn't disclose the money factor, or show the $895 acquisition fee or monthly sales tax.
You need that information to check the calculations.
But, $499/mo, with $499 due at signing looks pretty reasonable.
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
What state?
Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
the above is the latest price point--does this look like a good price and proper breakdown?
.00060 MF and 55% residual for 36/10.
That quote doesn't disclose the money factor, or show the $895 acquisition fee or monthly sales tax.
You need that information to check the calculations.
But, $499/mo, with $499 due at signing looks pretty reasonable.
the MF is .0008. do you think there is anywhere else to reduce the cost?
Is there a list of cars with the highest residual value anywhere? I would like to find something INEXPENSIVE for my son, a car he can manage the payments on
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
What state?
Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
the above is the latest price point--does this look like a good price and proper breakdown?
.00060 MF and 55% residual for 36/10.
That quote doesn't disclose the money factor, or show the $895 acquisition fee or monthly sales tax.
You need that information to check the calculations.
But, $499/mo, with $499 due at signing looks pretty reasonable.
the MF is .0008. do you think there is anywhere else to reduce the cost?
Is there a list of cars with the highest residual value anywhere? I would like to find something INEXPENSIVE for my son, a car he can manage the payments on
If you are looking for an inexpensive lease, I would suggest a mid-sized sedan (Camry, Accord, Sonata). Lots of payments between $200-275/mo for a car that is very well equipped.
No Audi is going to be inexpensive to lease, even compared to their competition (BMW, MB, Infiniti, etc.)
Thank you for your help! And Still trying to put the numbers together… When I add costs, do i add state tax in the beginning or at the end? Also, do you happen to know why money factor so high
What state?
Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
the above is the latest price point--does this look like a good price and proper breakdown?
.00060 MF and 55% residual for 36/10.
That quote doesn't disclose the money factor, or show the $895 acquisition fee or monthly sales tax.
You need that information to check the calculations.
But, $499/mo, with $499 due at signing looks pretty reasonable.
the MF is .0008. do you think there is anywhere else to reduce the cost?
Is there a list of cars with the highest residual value anywhere? I would like to find something INEXPENSIVE for my son, a car he can manage the payments on
If you are looking for an inexpensive lease, I would suggest a mid-sized sedan (Camry, Accord, Sonata). Lots of payments between $200-275/mo for a car that is very well equipped.
No Audi is going to be inexpensive to lease, even compared to their competition (BMW, MB, Infiniti, etc.)
the Audi is for the Parent... while i was on the topic of leases it made me think of my child thank you fot all the assistance!
Hey there! Please provide MF and residual for 2017 & 2018 Audi Q5 Premium, Premium +, 36/12 & 36/15. When you state add 1% for Audi Care, where exactly do I add the 1%? Is GAP usually included in the contract? Please share available rebates, I am located in Los Angeles, CA.
Also, is there anyway to discover dealer holdbacks & incentives in an attempt to approximate dealers net cost for new car?
Hey there! Please provide MF and residual for 2017 & 2018 Audi Q5 Premium, Premium +, 36/12 & 36/15. When you state add 1% for Audi Care, where exactly do I add the 1%? Is GAP usually included in the contract? Please share available rebates, I am located in Los Angeles, CA.
Also, is there anyway to discover dealer holdbacks & incentives in an attempt to approximate dealers net cost for new car?
Thank you!
Add 1% to the residual. All Audi leases include GAP at no extra charge 2017 Q5 (premium and premium+) .00060 MF and 52% residual for 36/15 Add 2% for 36/12 (to the residual..lol)
I wouldn't worry too much about the dealer's actual cost, because you'll never know what margin he needs to keep the doors open. Shop more than one dealer, and get the lowest price that you can get.
Hey there! Please provide MF and residual for 2017 & 2018 Audi Q5 Premium, Premium +, 36/12 & 36/15. When you state add 1% for Audi Care, where exactly do I add the 1%? Is GAP usually included in the contract? Please share available rebates, I am located in Los Angeles, CA.
Also, is there anyway to discover dealer holdbacks & incentives in an attempt to approximate dealers net cost for new car?
Thank you!
Add 1% to the residual. All Audi leases include GAP at no extra charge 2017 Q5 (premium and premium+) .00060 MF and 52% residual for 36/15 Add 2% for 36/12 (to the residual..lol)
I wouldn't worry too much about the dealer's actual cost, because you'll never know what margin he needs to keep the doors open. Shop more than one dealer, and get the lowest price that you can get.
Thank you! Where can I find available rebates and incentives? Sorry about my ignorance on the topic...leasing is very new to me.
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1. Good Question. We were describing it as "down"... they have it listed as "drive away".
So here are more specific data points that I cannot seem to reconcile;
As a starting point, our factors are; .00060 MF, 10k miles, 36 month lease, 4k "down"... they have the 4k listed as "customer cash" OR "drive away"
Cash Sale Price; $44600
Acq Fee; $795
Doc Fee; $172.15
State Tax; $1662.45
Vehicle Total; $47,289.60
License Fee; $101
State Title; $95
State Transfer; $25
Total Cap; $47,510.60
Cap Reduction; $2889.05
Adj Cap; $44621.55
Monthly PMT; $528.88
Tax; $47.60
total monthly pmt; $576.40
This is all the information that was given and I am trying to reconcile the payment with the given interest rate (MF x 2400), tax rates (I believe it is 9.5 % purchase, 8% month), and the capital costs given the fees they are disclosing at this point. It appears to me that we are financing all the fees, yet our cap reduction is less than our down payment. I'm not sure where the $1100 is going?
Any thoughts here?
Are there fees we are not seeing? Or simply doing math wrong?
Thanks
Anyway..
$4000 Due at signing (drive -away, startups... whatever they want to call it)
- $576.40 (1st payment)
- $505 (tax on $2889 cap reduction)
= not exactly $2889, but I'm estimating the tax.
Any CAP reductions reduce the taxable payments, so they are taxed upfront.
(adjusted CAP cost + residual) X MF = Monthly finance charge
Don't try to convert it to an APR, as that won't help you calculate it.
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MSRP : 48980. Selling price : 45525
36 months. 10000 miles.
$0 down
all fees, registration and taxes rolled into the lease.
Monthly payment includes tax $655.00 a month.
What can we do better?
Thanks advance.
What is the net cap cost, with all taxes and fees rolled in?
State and tax rate?
You are getting 7% off sticker, which is decent for an Audi. However, with the new 2018 Q5's hitting the lots, dealers might be more aggressive to get the old model off the lot.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
MSRP : 48980. Selling price : 45525
Sales Tax, 3185.00
Dealer doc fee.399.00
Registration fee. 245.00
Other fees. 399.00
Total : 49,753
Monthly payment tax included at $ 655.00 per month.
Many thanks for the reply
Thanks in advance
Ask the dealer for the adjusted cap cost.
Was it $0 down or $0 out of pocket - they are not the same.
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CAP COST $44480
$0 OUT OF POCKET
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screen shows cap cost $44480
$0 OUT OF POCKET includes first monthly payment, taxes, registration, acquisition fee, doc fee.
$655.00 monthly payment includes tax
I appreciate your time
Could it be an incentive that is lowering the selling price? I would confirm that with the dealer.
In fact, we recommend that you limit your up front monies to just the first payment, doc fee and registration. Add the acquisition fee into the cap cost and amortize it over the life of the lease.
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I am in Missouri. Thanks!
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May I please also get the MF/RES numbers for the 2018 Q5 Premium and P+ in Florida 36/12K? Thanks a lot!
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/45058/audi/q5/2018-audi-q5-lease-questions#latest
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Q7 premium+ w/navi. tech package
loaner car w//3,900 miles
$39,800
Residual is at 55% and money factor is at 0.0099
i attached the document provided, if it can't be viewed ill repost #'s
the MF and monthly payments seem high. id like to be in the high $300 for monthly, how do i get there (if possible)?
thank you for help
i forgot to mention I'm in the was. d.c. area. can buy in maryland, va, or dc but am willing to buy in any state if it will get me a better deal
What is the original MSRP?
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As a used car $41,085
As a used car $41,085
As a used car $41,085
If it is a used car, then this becomes a CPO lease - we do not have the numbers for those programs.
However, if this is a service loaner or demo vehicle that has never been titled, then it qualifies for the new car lease programs.
Can you confirm which it is, in your case?
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As a used car $41,085
If it is a used car, then this becomes a CPO lease - we do not have the numbers for those programs.
However, if this is a service loaner or demo vehicle that has never been titled, then it qualifies for the new car lease programs.
Can you confirm which it is, in your case?
it was a service loaner, it was never titled
However, if this is a service loaner or demo vehicle that has never been titled, then it qualifies for the new car lease programs.
Can you confirm which it is, in your case?
it was a service loaner, it was never titled
.00060 and 55% are the base numbers for 36/10 on the 2.0T Q5 P+.
So, MF is marked up.
And, the residual value should be adjusted down to account for the miles. The rate is .15/mile, or $585
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can i get them to a high $300 monthly? if so, what is my target sale price
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Audi sets the MF to a rate that will be profitable for them and establish a payment range they believe will move inventory.
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That's Premium Plus. There is no Prestige trim on the 2.0
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the above is the latest price point--does this look like a good price and proper breakdown?
That quote doesn't disclose the money factor, or show the $895 acquisition fee or monthly sales tax.
You need that information to check the calculations.
But, $499/mo, with $499 due at signing looks pretty reasonable.
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Is there a list of cars with the highest residual value anywhere? I would like to find something INEXPENSIVE for my son, a car he can manage the payments on
No Audi is going to be inexpensive to lease, even compared to their competition (BMW, MB, Infiniti, etc.)
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thank you fot all the assistance!
Also, is there anyway to discover dealer holdbacks & incentives in an attempt to approximate dealers net cost for new car?
Thank you!
All Audi leases include GAP at no extra charge
2017 Q5 (premium and premium+)
.00060 MF and 52% residual for 36/15
Add 2% for 36/12 (to the residual..lol)
2018 discussion is here:
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/45058/audi/q5/2018-audi-q5-lease-questions#latest
I wouldn't worry too much about the dealer's actual cost, because you'll never know what margin he needs to keep the doors open. Shop more than one dealer, and get the lowest price that you can get.
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