Mystery car pix

ab348

Well, a 1600 then.

kyfdx

1602

qbrozen

1603

Mr_Shiftright

Is that your final offer?

texases

ab348 said:

Well, a 1600 then.

You might just be right! Well, close, it would have been called a "1600-2" if it was an early one:

"The 1600-2 (the "-2" meaning "2-door") made its debut at the Geneva auto show in March 1966 and was sold through 1975, with the designation being simplified to "1602" in 1971."

andys120

Yup, that's a 1971 BMW 1600. The 1600-2 moniker was never used officially by BMW marketing but became common as a reference to the 1600's status as the basis for the car that did more to establish their cred and market success than anything they ever made.

Legend has it that it was BMW's US importer/distributor Max Hoffman who convinced BMW to install the 2 liter engine in the 1600-2 thereby creating the BMW 2002. Hoffman is also credited with the ideas behind the Porsche 356 Speedster and convincing Mercedes to sell a street version of their 300SL race car.

Not all of Hoffman's ideas were successful but even his failures such as the BMW 507
were important.

stickguy

did not see the DAG guess. Close enough I guess!

magnette

I remember NLM Cityhopper. They became KLM City eventually and still fly here now.

If you book it says KLM on the paperwork but the smaller routes are all KLM City aircraft.

The real KLM does flights from Heathrow to Amsterdam while flights to Rotterdam or Eindhoven from Heathrow are sometimes in smaller planes that are KLM City - they only just stopped using the Fokker 70 and also had a whole operation with Fokker 50 turbo props as well - we flew on one of those from London City airport - which is really our local airport this side of town - to Amsterdam in about 2003.

andys120

stickguy

Some sort of Jensen? Or a Bristol.

I really have no idea!

omarman

Can't see the nose or back of car but the wheel center caps have the Maserati trident logo.

andys120

omarman said:

Can't see the nose or back of car but the wheel center caps have the Maserati trident logo.

The nose has a Trident as well>

ab348

I also thought it looked like a Maserati and I was right - it is a Kyalami, a fairly rare car of which only a few hundred were built during the dark days of DeTomaso ownership of Maserati.

Mr_Shiftright

Some Maserati enthusiasts do not even consider it a Maserati. It is, in reality, a rather thinly disguised DeTomaso Longchamp, but with a true Maserati 4.2/V8, and with chassis revisions. It was made from 1977-1982 and was also offered with a 4.9 engine. They made 150 of them altogether. As far as vintage Maserati coupes go, it isn't all that valuable, and shares the "poor sister" label with the Merak, another car most Maserati lovers pass over.

andys120

I get why the DeTomaso based Kyalami is treated like a red-headed stepchild but why do they fault the Merak? Because it's not a Bora?

omarman

I think your second question answered the first one.

Mr_Shiftright

omarman hit it on the head--the Merak was not a V-8, and it was assembled with the build quality of an Italian TV dinner tray. The Merak still has value today but it's not the Maserati of choice for most enthusiasts.

ab348

The one '70s-era Maserati I like based on looks is the Bora, though I know it has a lot of Citroen design under the skin.

ab348

stickguy

oh my goodness. that is hideous.

magnette

Ah yes - this is the Daimler Continental - a special version of the Daimler "One-0-Four" with this coachwork by Hooper - they did a similar version on a Bentley I believe as well. It was at the 1956 Earls Court motor show but remained a one off.

Interestingly that registration is from late 1962 in London so it was presumably re registered then.

Mr_Shiftright

That's definitely a Daimler grille but I don't know the car.

ab348

magnette

This is a Talbot Samba,

It is effectively a Peugeot 104Z but badged to sell through the French Talbot dealers (ex Simca) - they sold it here in the UK too. About 1980 I think.

There was also a Citroen using the same body called the LMA.

ab348

@Magnette, you're batting 1.000 (or maybe I should use a cricket term instead).

Here's an easy one for you:

Mr_Shiftright

I was going to guess Wolseley but it doesn't quite measure up--or it's a very odd model. Maybe a Rover?

fintail

Riley Kestrel/1300

magnette

It wouldn't make much difference - I can't bat in cricket either...

Also can't type - the Citroen equivalent of the Samba was the LNA....

The Riley was the last of the 1100 / 1300 family to be introduced and when they scrapped the make in 1969 it was the first to disappear.

Mr_Shiftright

The grille should have been my tip-off.

ab348

We had an Austin 1100 when I was a kid. I actually like the Riley front end.

ab348

andys120

Gilbern Invader the successor to the Gilbern GT of the 60s

magnette

A car from my homeland - I am from the county of Glamorgan in South Wales and Gilbern were made there... The trade plate in the windscreen is a Cardiff (Glamorgan) issued one.

magnette

Street scene in suburban London

qbrozen

I'll take the easy one: Messerschmitt on the right

ab348

A pair of Vauxhall Vivas on the left behind a Morris Minor Traveller woody wagon. A Ford Anglia parked ahead of the tricycle on the right.

All of those were not unusual to see on the roads here in the mid-60s when I was a kid. The Viva was especially popular as it benefited from the large Pontiac/Buick GM dealer network. It was also sold in a badge-engineered Envoy Epic version here by Chevrolet/Oldsmobile dealers.

magnette

I think the Vivas are pretty much brand new and as the numberplate on the white one has a C suffix it is therefore likely to have been taken in 1963.

The Messerschmitt is quite clear and the Morris Minor Traveller - it didn't have the 1000 badge on the right hand rear door so is either an earlier Minor or the badge is missing.

If you tap on the photo it does open out much bigger - at least it does for me - and there are a few other cars uptake street which are clear enough to see possibly.

I had forgotten the Viva was the Epic in Canada - was that also sold in the US ? I saw a Vauxhall Envoy ( a first series Victor) at a car show last year which may be the only one in Europe as that was sold in Canada and the chap had bought it and shipped it from there...

ab348

I would guess the wagon parked ahead of the Morris is a Ford 100E Squire though I cannot be 100% on that. The more upmarket sedan parked ahead of that intrigues me - might it be a Wolseley 4/44 or 15/50?

andys120

ab348 said:

I would guess the wagon parked ahead of the Morris is a Ford 100E Squire though I cannot be 100% on that. The more upmarket sedan parked ahead of that intrigues me - might it be a Wolseley 4/44 or 15/50?

Looks like an MG Magnette ZB to me

fintail

And in front of that, a BMC Farina.

andys120

tmart

Don't have a clue, but I like the blue.

ab348

andys120 said:

ab348 said:

I would guess the wagon parked ahead of the Morris is a Ford 100E Squire though I cannot be 100% on that. The more upmarket sedan parked ahead of that intrigues me - might it be a Wolseley 4/44 or 15/50?

Looks like an MG Magnette ZB to me

Same design, pretty much:

magnette

Yes - its a Wolseley - you can see the numberplate above the boot handle whereas it is below the bumper on an MG Magnette. The two - tone Farina car in front of that is another Wolseley - a 16/60.

And the 100E Estate is either a Squire or the cheaper Escort....

magnette

The blue car is an Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato - very nice...

ab348

fintail said:

And in front of that, a BMC Farina.

They sold a lot of those here in Canada. I remember seeing them quite often in the '60s.

imidazol97

andys120 said:

That is pretty. The proportions are beautiful.

andys120

magnette said:

The blue car is an Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato - very nice...

One of the most beautiful cars from a maker of notably beautiful GTs and perhaps the best looking Zagato ever.

ab348

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fintail

Panhard CT24. At the end of the row looks like the back of a Panhard Dyna. I'll let others have the rest