Mystery car pix

andys120

Confusingly, the wiki article on the Phoenix says it was only built as a 4 door sedan.

Oh, there's plenty of room for confusion about Aussie cars, especially the nomenclature. They often used names familiar to us but applied them to completely different cars.

andys120

stickguy

a Muntz jet? I think Wayne Carini featured one of these on his show a couple years ago.

Mr_Shiftright

That Italian restaurant is going to miss that tabelcloth!

Muntz gave you a choice of motors during the car's short lifetime---a Cadillac V8 or a Lincoln.

About 200 were built, is the best guess.

Muntz had a strange business plan, in that the cars cost more to make than they sold for.

andys120

stickguy said:

a Muntz jet? I think Wayne Carini featured one of these on his show a couple years ago.

I dunno who Wayne Carini is/was but yeh that is a circa 1951 Muntz Jet. I don't think he actually meant to lose money on each car but maybe that's why he was known as Madman Muntz. The caption describes the roof as a removable fiberglass piece. Looks kinda wavy for glass.

berri

there's plenty of room for confusion about Aussie cars, especially the nomenclature.
Heck, that is true about the 60 Dodge lineup as well

ab348

Found this pic of dirty old Halifax from 1963. This is a municipal shot taken to show results of road paint tests, but captured quite well the run-down nature of this part of town back then. Today this is somewhat less run-down though certainly not all that wonderful, but most of these buildings are gone and it is also now a main route out of downtown for commuters. At the time it was very low-rent housing which explains the decrepit nature of the vehicles to some extent. Some interesting things to ID:

lostwrench1

Left to right - 1956 Chevy, 1951 Dodge, 1954 Chevy, 1960 Dodge,...………..

andys120

Going away at extreme right, a 1963 Ford probably a Galaxy.

texases

That '60 Dodge on the left looks like a brother to the Aussie wagon a few days ago.

andys120

texases said:

That '60 Dodge on the left looks like a brother to the Aussie wagon a few days ago.

Yeah, who knew they were so popular!

andys120

bhill2

I'm guessing a GT 350 (OK OK, it's a Shelby and I think it's a '70).

omarman

Without hood stripes it may be a '69.

ab348

The one thing we can be sure of is that the fog lamps probably do not work given the manufacturer.

ab348

lostwrench1

1961 Mercury Monterey.

texases

omarman said:

Without hood stripes it may be a '69.

I was wondering why '69 and '70 looked about identical, given how different Mustangs looked those years. Now I know:
"No production of 1970 Shelby GT350 and 500 models was undertaken; however, unsold 1969 models were given 1970 vehicle identification numbers under FBI supervision. The 1970 models had two cosmetic changes, a front chin spoiler and two black hood stripes. The rest of the changes had to do with emissions. The GT500 had the carburetor modified and marked "ed" (edited) on tag. The distributor in both the GT 350 and GT500 was changed to a 1970 version. A total of 789 were re-VIN'd."

Mr_Shiftright

ab348 said:

The one thing we can be sure of is that the fog lamps probably do not work given the manufacturer.

Oh yes they would--well, they would blink--but that's technically "working".

Mr_Shiftright

texases said:

omarman said:

Without hood stripes it may be a '69.

I was wondering why '69 and '70 looked about identical, given how different Mustangs looked those years. Now I know:
"No production of 1970 Shelby GT350 and 500 models was undertaken; however, unsold 1969 models were given 1970 vehicle identification numbers under FBI supervision. The 1970 models had two cosmetic changes, a front chin spoiler and two black hood stripes. The rest of the changes had to do with emissions. The GT500 had the carburetor modified and marked "ed" (edited) on tag. The distributor in both the GT 350 and GT500 was changed to a 1970 version. A total of 789 were re-VIN'd."

Interesting. Just THINK how much motivation this gives passers-by to pontificate at car shows. "That's not a '69 he has there. Just look at the carburetor tag". "What do you mean,-- he has the black hood stripes". "Oh, those are probably added on, because of what the VIN number says." "Well, VINs can be switched. Did you notice the new rivets on the tag, and how its slightly tilted to the left"? (repeat every 15 minutes, fold up lawn chair, go home).

tjc78

It's so true. My Uncle is heavily involved in classic cars and has an outstanding 58 Bonneville. He tells many a story amount people getting all hot an bothered because the wrong type of tape was used on a wire loom, etc.

berri

I like those 58 Bonneville's even more than the Impala

andys120

kyfdx

S4 Avant? Not sold here?

lostwrench1

Nice Learjet 60.
I took a similar photo with what was my then new 1987 red Dodge Daytona Shelby in front of the big 5 painted on the end of runway 5.
Andy, I saw more than a few great air shows at your old Pease Air Force Base. I made some great videos there.

Michaell

S6 Avant, with an available diesel that puts out 500+ ft/lbs of twist.

thebean

omarman

The whale? I'll guess it's the 1956 OSCA MT4 TN. Morelli body Tipo Nuevo (new model) with the headrest, a longish nose and very low to the ground.

andys120

kyfdx:
S4 Avant? Not sold here?


Michaell:
S6 Avant, with an available diesel that puts out 500+ ft/lbs of twist.


Michaell is correct, the S6 isn't sold here but rumor has it that Audi may be more aggressive about selling wagons in the USDM.

fintail

USDM version of A4/A6 Avant:

thebean

omarman said:

The whale? I'll guess it's the 1956 OSCA MT4 TN. Morelli body Tipo Nuevo (new model) with the headrest, a longish nose and very low to the ground.

Right on the make, but it’s a 1950 MT4. I’d never heard of them until a few days ago. Good guess.

https://supercars.net/blog/1950-osca-mt4/

omarman

Thanks for posting the link and I see that mystery pic is tagged 1950 MT4. To me that Morelli body screams TN which would be 1955 and later.

If you're a fan here's a pic of Carroll Shelby taking the checkered flag as he won the 4 hour enduro in 1956 driving a 1956 OSCA MT4 TN S/N 1178 at Elkhart Lake.


Don't you wish racing looked like that now?

omarman

Trying to edit to attach another pic for that last post but clicking the icons isn't working for me now. hmm...

ab348

omarman said:

Trying to edit to attach another pic for that last post but clicking the icons isn't working for me now. hmm...

Same problem I’ve had the last couple of days. Are you using Firefox?

omarman

Yes. 66.0.3. Couple days ago it did an update and now it seems a bit glitchy.

ab348

omarman said:

Yes. 66.0.3. Couple days ago it did an update and now it seems a bit glitchy.

Firefox has gotten increasingly troublesome the last while and the constant updates do not help. I am about ready to move to Chrome despite having been faithful to Firefox for over a decade.

omarman

With the Chromium-based Edge browser now available in test builds it looks like most of us will be moving to Chrome. I remember IE6. Market domination and most hated web browser at the same time.

ab348

Isn't Edge a MS product? If so that is the last thing I would ever move to.

tjc78

Yes, Edge is MS.

omarman

Yes and yes to "the last thing I would ever move to."

thebean

andys120

That's a Siata Spring, a late 60s (IIRC) sad last effort by the maker of the beautiful Siata 208s.
It's all Fiat 850 under that silly bodywork.

I've never been able to get Firefox to work when posting pics so I just switch to Safari for that.

andys120

thebean

andys120 said:

That's a Siata Spring, a late 60s (IIRC) sad last effort by the maker of the beautiful Siata 208s.
It's all Fiat 850 under that silly bodywork.

I've never been able to get Firefox to work when posting pics so I just switch to Safari for that.

You got it. It’s a ‘68. Another brand I never heard of until I saw it on Chasing Classic Cars.

tmart

56 Ford Country Squire.

omarman

Ahead of the Country Squire, a '56 Chevy 210 Handyman wagon and a '52 Buick Roadmaster Riviera Sedan.

tjc78

thebean said:

My cousin had one of those in the 90s. Fun little car... virtually impossible to find parts back then. It used to sit for weeks waiting, he eventually tired of it and sold it broken.

lostwrench1

omarman said:

Ahead of the Country Squire, a '56 Chevy 210 Handyman wagon and a '52 Buick Roadmaster Riviera Sedan.

I'll grab the 1952 Olds.

bhill2

I'm stumped on one. If you look between the Olds and the Country Squire, behind the fence is a small white wagon. The front end is reminiscent of a Triumph TR-3, but what is it?

stickguy

maybe a Borgwood?