Mystery car pix

andys120

IIRC those early Omni-zons featured VW transaxles.

andys120

IIRC those early Omni-zons featured VW transaxles.

hudsonthedog

I believe Rabbit and Omni/Horizon actually shared underpinnings, so the resemblance is understandable.

The Omni/Horizon shared its basic underpinnings with the Simca/Sunbeam/Talbot Horizon, not the Volkswagen Rabbit (even if the early Omnirizon and Rabbit shared some parts).

ateixeira

Thanks for clearing that up, I recall reading about some parts sharing.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

volvo B20E?

andys120

That's right Shifty, as installed in a '69 Volvo 1800E.

andys120

This is an odd shot and a bit blurry but with a good assortment of vintage cars>

imidazol97

1958 Ford convertible

196x Corvair sedan

1960 Buick gray

F85 Oldsmobile

1957 Plymouth at the corner

1959 Buick under the crane

andys120

Good job but I think the car you've identified as an F-85 is it's contemporary, the Buick Special. At least I think I can make out the side crease characteristic of those. :confuse:

Those big Ford convertibles were known as Sunliners.

The Corvair isn't a sedan, it's a two-door coupe, probably a
Monza.

andys120

colin_l

Looks like a Lamborghini LM001.

(Sorry about the new msg-- can't see the 'reply' button sometimes when images are linked.)

jwilliams2

Lamborghini LM002 SUV.

imidazol97

>the Buick Special.

Errrr, that's what I meant to say. Grin....

andys120

Lamborghini LM002

Yup!

andys120

stephen987

TVR Cerbera?

andys120

That's it Stephen, it belongs to David Beckham who's selling it in Ebay.

wgrafer

"Good job but I think the car you've identified as an F-85 is it's contemporary, the Buick Special. At least I think I can make out the side crease characteristic of those."

Not to beat a dead horse, but the car in question looks like a '61 Pontiac Tempest to me. All 3 (Tempest, Special, and F-85) were very similar, but the rear end design in the middle of the trunk lid crease gives this away as a Pontiac (it actually said 'Pontiac').

andys120

The picture is fuzzy as hell and the Tempest and the Special both had creased sides(a precursor of Bangle's "flame surfaces"?) and similar rear end styling so yeah it could be a '61ish Tempest.. or the little Buick. :confuse: :shades:

andys120

stephen987

Red X special, ca. 2010.

andys120

Take two>

stickguy

I want one! is that good enough?

the grill looks like it has Citroen Chevrons, so I will go with that. No clue of a model.

andys120

Yeah I want one too. Anybody wanna take a shot at it?

stephen987

I'd guess it's a C6 wagon.

andys120

I'd guess it's a C6 wagon.

You'd guess wrong my friend. It's a C5 Touring (called an Estate or Break in some markets.)

I like to play a mental game with myself and ask what car(s) I would own if I lived abroad and had access to those that are NSH. That C5 Touring would be right at the top of the list, diesel of course.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

Let's see---is that a 1956 Hudson?

I've seen that little black car before but just can't place it? I was going to say Peugeot 403 but that might be too new for this photo---hard to say.

jwilliams2

Let's see.......55 Chrysler in the center, 55 or so Mercury, Nash maybe, 52 or so Plymouth?,
couple of 55 Chevy's, and a 55 Pontiac?

andys120

I've seen that little black car before but just can't place it? I was going to say Peugeot 403

Nah, it's a '49-'50ish Plymouth.

wgrafer

I think jwilliams got it right on the Nash - looks like a '56 Ambassador to me.
The little black Mopar looks like a '51 or '52 Dodge as the tail lights are in the fenders and vertical rather than horizontal like the Plymouth.

ateixeira

It's a C5 Touring (called an Estate or Break in some markets.)

Cracks me up, use any name except what it actually is.

Volvo calls them Versatility, that's what the V stands for. Shooting Break, Crossover, anything but wagon.

It's still a wagon.

texases

And aren't they 'shooting brakes'? I know Mercedes China sent out a press release with it spelled 'break', but I always thought it was supposed to be 'brake'... :confuse:

ateixeira

To me a shooting break is a stretched coupe with a hatch, but still only 2 doors.

That Citroen is a wagon all the way. 4 doors plus the roof stretches back past the C-pillar. Wagon for sure.

Touring, to me at least, means touring sedan, i.e. a high speed long-haul cruiser.

Edit: an Estate? That's a large house! LOL

andys120

Cracks me up, use any name except what it actually is.

A rose by any other name... The term Wagon or Station Wagon has been in disfavor on both sides of the pond for some time. Here they're called SUVS or Crossovers. BMW uses Touring or SAV (Sports Activity Vehicle), Audi uses Avant, VW says Sportwagon. The British and French say Estate,or Brake (or Break--it can be spelled either way). The Italians say Giardinere or Giardenetta.

I should mention that the first wagons were called "Depot Hacks"; Hack being a synonym for taxicab.

Ford Model T Depot Hack>


I like wagons whatever they're called as long as they aren't too big or jacked up too high.

ateixeira

Interesting, hadn't heard those italian terms.

In Brazil we say "Perua", pronounced Peh-ROO-ah in Portuguese.

And VW sold the Quantum there for so long that the word became the Kleenex for wagons.

andys120

And VW sold the Quantum there for so long that the word became the Kleenex for wagons.

I didn't know that, I thought the Quantum name was used only in North America and that it was the original Passat everywhere else.

Does "Perua" have any specific meaning in Portugese?

ateixeira

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Santana_Quantum

'85 to 2003, per wiki Brazil. 18 years, longer than I remembered.

The sedan was called Santana, not Passat (in Brazil).

Funny thing is Passat was a smaller coupe/hatch, and that name was not used for the sedan version of the Quantum. It returned only recently, when the A4-based Passat appeared in Brazil as an import.

It gets even more weird if you look at the Ford/VW partnership called Autolatina. Ford sold its own versions of the Santana/Quantum called the Versailles (no idea why a French name was chosen).

That same site has another term for wagon common in Brazil, Caminhoneta (they mention Perua, Besta, and Van as synonyms):

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_Wagon

Besta is a newer term, though, at least to me. I think of the Kia Besta microvan and I think Besta is also a nickname for "jackass", in reference to the load carrying capability.

I'm not aware of any other meaning to Perua, but that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't one.

andys120

used for wagons, primarily in Europe include:

Universal (Mercedes), Kombi or Combi (various German & Swedish makers and Camionette (French=little wagon, same derivation as Camionheta in Portuguese).
I'm sure there were/are others.

fintail

I think "Universal" might have been a IMA-specific model name for their now very sought after fintail wagons.

Nowadays, in Germany anyway, MB uses "T-Modell", BMW uses "Touring", Ford uses "Turnier", I think VW still uses "Variant", Audi uses "Avant"...anything possible to look more interesting.

Speaking of wagons, I wouldn't exactly turn down an E63 wagon.

stephen987

and let's not forget this little beauty:

michaellno

Weren't those called "Kamm"-backs?

fintail

I think that was the best looking Vega variant...not a bad looking thing if you don't pay attention to the horrors underneath.

Mr_Shiftright

why are those people still smiling? The car must have 0 miles on it. :shades:

stephen987

And from the Kammback to the

jwilliams2

Mid Seventies AMC Wagon, Hornet maybe?

stickguy

sportabout.

also game in a 3 door hatch, which I happened to have had one of.

stephen987

Sportabout it is--in keeping with the theme of "it's not a station wagon, it's a . . ."

ateixeira

Variant was also used in Brazil, FWIW. By VW I believe. They had a Brasilia, and then a stretched model called the Variant. A friend owned one. Air cooled, even.