Mystery car pix

ateixeira

Interestingly still just 2 doors. The VW Variant also only had 2 doors like that.

VW now sells the Gol in Brazil, and the wagon counterpart is called the Parati (named after a beach). I think you can still get it with 2 or 4 doors, even.

Interestingly - wagons never came with the negative connotation in Brazil. To this day most small cars are offered in wagon variations. VW has the Parati, Fiat has the Palio Weekend (there's another word used for wagon), Chevy has a Corsa wagon, Peugoet has one, Citroen has one, etc.

Back to topic, this wagon will NOT come to the USA...

andys120

That's the new Volvo V50 IIRC. I'm not sure if the "V" stands for Variant of Versatile in Volvo-speak

fintail

I think the less than awesome 411 wagon might have been sold under the Variant name here back in the day, too.

Today the cloned crowds want a tiny fake SUV.

ateixeira

the new Volvo V50

Off by one character, guess again?

michaellno

Probably the S60 wagon .. not sure if Volvo will continue to use the "V" designation for the wagons.

qbrozen

Yup calling it V60 for now.

jlbl

Take another break.




Brand? Model? Year?

Regards,
Jose

ateixeira

V60.

Odd because they used to call the S60-based wagon V70.

Wonder if the V50 will change to V40 if/when it's replaced?

ateixeira

I've never seen that before, but from the proportions I'm going to guess it's a Citroen.

qbrozen

That's the problem when you change one ... what about the rest? Shouldn't the whole lineup then be: C40, S40, V40, S60, V60, XC60, S80, XC80

fintail

Citroen GS break, I will guess design dates around 1973...pretty advanced, but the photographed car with non-chrome bumpers is probably from around 1980

jlbl

Fintail,

Citroën GS Break, indeed.
The Break model was available from 1971. I bought mine in 1976. Very good times with her, may be I was young.

The car in the color pic of before has plastic and rubber bumpers, she is an Australian version. Mine was of the same color but had chromed bumpers, being a standard original.

The car was simple and solid though a bit heavy (59 hp, 1063 kg). FWD. I drove her with easy up on mountain/forestal tracks in pretty bad conditions. She had a liquid-air pump to assist the adjustable suspension and the brakes. The dashboard was typical Citroën, sort of futuristic. Edit: The engine car was air cooled.

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Texeira, here are more pics to get the flavor







Regards,
Jose

PS: Break is Citroën name for Wagon, then and now.

ateixeira

I'm sure they'll update the names as each new model is introduced.

Odd, though, that they changed it back. Remember when it was just 850 for both?

ateixeira

Ah, French cars - there's nothing like them. They don't copy anyone, and noone copies them!

fintail

A very futuristic car for what was in NA anyway a fairly dreary period for new cars. For the most part Europe was way ahead of NA at that time.

I liked this thing, which dates from the late 70s and was no doubt influenced by the GS:



Very modern for the era, and made for over a decade.

I probably have a liking for the car because I had a couple Matchbox versions when I was a kid:

qbrozen

Yes, and before that, 740 for both. And, before that, 240 for both.

texases

But at one point didn't they have 242, 244, and 245?

bhill2

But at one point didn't they have 242, 244, and 245?

Indeed they did. And 142, 144, and 145 before that. They even had a 165 wagon variant of the 164 back in the late '60s, but I don't think it made it into the US.

stephen987

Ah, yes. My favorite Volvo. Surprised to hear there was a wagon version though:

ateixeira

I love how the numbers went up as pricing went up.

They ran out of room and had to add the S/V in front.

Mr_Shiftright

God help me, I really dislike those 165s. :P Redefines "clunky"---

that's one step backward for Volvo, one giant leap backward for the Swedish auto industry.

andys120

stephen987

Standard Vanguard Mk3?

fintail

That's so lumpy

This is much better :shades:

jwilliams2

Nice fintail...late 60's 230S, conversion on a 111 chassis. Would be cool to see what a new S Class wagon would look like.

fintail

Yep, it's an 230S IMA Universal, ca. 1966 or so, one of maybe a hundred or so built. One sold on ebay last year for something like 22K, which is big money for a fintail.

I have seen wagon conversions of W116, 126, 140, and 220 S-class, but nothing done to a W221 yet.

andys120

Standard Vanguard Mk3?

Nope, sorry.

lemko

Oh wow! I had that same Matchbox car! I think it's still around at my parents' house. I also had a Matchbox car of the Renault LeCar.

andys120

The wagon I posted last night has still not been Identified; here is a refresher>



Going..going...

fintail

I had a couple of those too, IIRC at least one had "LeCar" on the side

stephen987

RHD, big for a British car but evidently not Australian-derived. And not a Standard Vanguard. Hmm--maybe a wagon variant on one of the BMC Farina sedans?

andys120

-maybe a wagon variant on one of the BMC Farina sedans?

You're gertting warm (Magnette must be on /holiday)

jwilliams2

Austin Cambridge A55 Mark II "Countryman" estate...

andys120

Austin Cambridge A55 Mark II "Countryman" estate..

Thank you jwilliams, that's exactly right, ca. 1959-'61. The Brits have a penchant for slapping exurban names of their wagons but I suppose we did the same, e.g." Country Squire."

lemko

I had the yellow one with LeCar on the side.

andys120

ateixeira

I can't explain why but "Bristol" popped in my head immediately.

jwilliams2

Gotta be a mid fifties Talbot Lago, maybe an America......not sure what happened to the bumpers.....

andys120

Yup, it's a 1956 Talbo-Lago America, undoubtedly the bumpers have been stripped to save weight, easy to do back then.

andys120

jlbl

I cannot press the replay button, but here is my quick guess:

Back row, first on the right hand: it looks like a Renault 4/4 but it is not. :confuse: A Mini Morris convert?

Back row, second from the right hand: a Renault Dauphine.

And I skip the others.

Regards,
Jose

andys120

So far you're right about the Renault Dauphine but the convertible is not a Mini of any kind, it's a RWD Morris Minor, a predecessor of the FWD Austin/Morris Minis.

Antone else?

fintail

From L to R - A Standard 10 or something, MGTD, Ford Anglia 100E (if its a 2 door), Dauphine, Morris Minor, and the car driving towards the parked cars appears to be a Jag Mk VII-IX range car.

andys120

Nice, Job, Fintail. Imcdb.com identifies the Ford as a Popular but apparently it was very similar to the Anglia. They say the Jag is a 1957 Mk.VIII.

Mr_Shiftright

BONUS POINTS:

Why is it historically interesting that this automaker would make this type of car?

imidazol97

It's gotta be a Studebaker. It looks like a sedan version (coupe) that they put a wagon body onto. Year around 1959-1962?

lostwrench1

1954 Studebaker Conestoga Wagon.
Way back in the 1850s, Studebaker made wagons called Conestoga.

andys120

It's parked next to an Avanti, judging by what I can see of the wheel covers it may be an original (i.e. Studebaker=made ca. '63).

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

Correct, guys. It's a '54 Conestoga, and Studebaker used to make wagons as far back as Civil War days. (actually 1852). They made wagons for the Union Army, and even for the White House (Benjamin Harrison).

Automobile station wagons were not Studebaker's forte, and you rarely see them.