Mystery car pix

andys120

Magnette you are right on the nose, it is indeed a 1952 Fiat 500C Toplino Belvedere.

andys120

jwilliams2

Looks like a 1970 Plymouth Barracuda....Hemi-Cuda....worth a few bucks these days...

andys120

That's correct...it's a 1970 Plymouth Hemi'Cuda which just fetched $1.705.0000 at the Russo & Steele auction last week.

The value was said to be based on the low mileage (supposedly 19,000) and rarity (14 Hemi'Cuda verts built, nine with A/T like this one).

[Editorial rant-Almost 2 mill for a muscle car with dog dish hubcaps, an A/T
and a terrible color!-are you kidding? It'll take decades to surpass that price and every time the buyer drives around the block, the value goes down.]

kyfdx

rant continued...

That's ridiculous!

/rant over..

andys120

Even the guys at IMDB can't figure out what this one is>







It comes from an obscure Italian movie called Cinque Poveri in Automobili which I believe would translate as "Five Poor People in Automobiles." :sick:

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explorerx4

It looks like there are 3 people in the car in the first photo.
I think the guy is the back is Al Capone.

imidazol97

That's a beautiful shape for an automobile. I don't like the grill.

The car fits what my art appreciation class professor in college would have described as designed to be what it is.

fintail

The front kind of has some Ossi or early postwar German flair, but the rest is very Italian or kind of French.

Mr_Shiftright

Has the styling hints of a Skoda:

andys120

Well that's obviously a Skoda , probably a Felicia (ca. 1960s) but I can't find another Skoda w that style of grille. I get some with grilles like this>



And I get some with grilles like this>



:confuse:

magnette

I've seen a picture of this car before, somewhere - I think it is one of the handful of post-war Isotta-Fraschinis, which would make it an 8c Monteresa. However it doesn't look anything like the only one of those I can find a picture of, and the coachwork would then be by Touring of Milan, but in the back of my mind the I-F postwar was rear-engined. Having said that, they also put the radiator at the front on some rear engined cars, at this period. A real mystery.

magnette

The green Skoda is a 440, the model immediately before the Octavia, while the black car is a bit more difficult - is it actually a Zim, rather than a Skoda, as it looks too big to be the latter? Then again, I've never seena Zim that looked like this one either !
Next to it, whatever it is, there is a ZIS 110, the postwar Soviet copy Packard.

jwilliams2

The front styling looks a lot like the late 40's Fiat 1100 Berlinetta Bertone Stanguellini.

andys120

The Black car w the horizontal grillework is a Skoda Vos which was their postwar "executive" model, it is probably based on a Soviet design.

I googled "Skoda 440" and came up w several pics that resemble Shifty's car but the 440 (AKA Skoda Spartak) didn't come along until 1955 some years after Cinque Poveri so I'm inclined to the theory that it's a Stanguellini (as suggested by Jwiiliams and some IMCDB posters.

The correct translation for the movie title is Five Paupers in an Automobile.. It was also released as The Lucky Five as it concerns five guys who win a car in a contest but can't afford to keep it so they each take it for a day w the intent of selling it afterwards.

Mr_Shiftright

I think you're on to it---I was going to suggest Stanguellini but couldn't find anything like it in my Stang resources. The Skoda merely reflects the grille design but what the hell is a Skoda doing in postwar Italy? (well I guess the Germans could have brought some there and influenced Italian design).

This car is definitely some kind of "one-off" and it definitely has Stang characteristics.

So I'm with you on this one.

andys120

magnette

I can see it must be related to the Bertone coachwork on the Stang, but that was based, I think, on the Fiat 1100 - whereas the subject car looks much bigger. I wonder if it is a scaled up version based on a larger car unless Stang built some much larger cars at that time. Brilliant to find that Bertone reference - I am convinced I've seen something with this body, in a ppicture somewhere, but can't think where...

magnette

This is a great thread - I hadn't heard of the Skoda Vos either.

andys120

stickguy

don't ask me the model designation, but is that a 6.9?

fintail

It's a W108/109 of some variety, hard to tell what.

Could be a 6.3...6.9 was the W116.

andys120

No, it's a 1970 Mercedes-Benz 280SE (W109).

These were probably the best made cars of the 1960s and early 70s. They aren't exactly beautiful but they're so finely detailed.

andys120

texases

260Z 2+2, '76?

Mr_Shiftright

A 240Z, 2-3 years after high school graduation, changing its name a little, and eating too much pizza and ice cream!

andys120

It's a '74 Datsun 260Z 2+2. IIRC that was the first year for the four seat version shown. IMO it had somewhat better lines than the two seater but naturally suffered slightly in performance and handling.

The two-seater was still available alongside the 2+2.

andys120

andys120

No takers for #27826? Ok here's some hints. It's Italian (as if you couldn't guess from the color and like many Italian GT/sports cars of the era it was available with coachwork from various different carrozerrias.

Here is the rather strange Zagato version which is the least rare --98 of the 128 total made wore Zagato bodywork>



Others were made by Fissore, Touring (as I believe the car in 27826 was)
and perhaps Frua.

stickguy

the side profile looks like an Alfa that I should be able to name, but can't

kyfdx

I have to disagree about the lines on the 2+2.. I think they are much worse.. It seems like every Z-car had worse lines in the 2+2 configuration, until the current one (Infiniti G-coupe is the 2+2 version, now, in my view).

That might be my favorite car from the '70s, that I liked then.... and now.

jwilliams2

That would be a OSCA 1600 GT...the Maserati brothers company...Fissore bodied.

andys120

OSCA 1600 GT...the Maserati brothers company...Fissore bodied.

I'll have to take your word on the Fissore body, I haven't been able to find a clearly labeled picture of such. The cars shown is captioned as a 1962 OSCA 1600GT.

Edit: Thanks to Google I have found a clearly labeled Fissore Osca 1600GT

Nobody does little cars as nicely as the Italians.

ateixeira

I thought Alfa, too, but no triangle grille, so I knew that wasn't it. Pretty vehicle.

andys120

If you are of a certain age and grew up in a Snowbelt area you can remember when almost every gas station had a little red 4WD like the one in the photo:



Full Size version.

stickguy

Jeep. willys version?

andys120

Yup, IIRC the little pickup, tho based on Jeep components was sold as a Willys. I once took a borrowed one w a homemade camper built onto the bed on an extensive road trip to Quebec and The Maritimes.

wgrafer

Left of the Jeep: '55 Ford Convertible, '57 Ford Fairlane 500 2-door hardtop, '53-56 Studebaker.

My gas station memories involve a Jeepster pickup (flat nose with the same hydraulic front end). I drove it when no management was around at the Mahwah NJ truckstop i worked summers. Nice....

andys120

tmart

Continental Mark l or ll

lemko

1956-57 Continental Mark II. Ford envisioned Continental as a separate division above Lincoln.

andys120

You are right on both counts Lemko. I hoped someone would chime in to say it was a "Lincoln MkII" so I could remind them that the Mk.II was not sold as a Lincoln even though they were sold by Lincoln-Mercury dealers.
From the 1968 Mk.III on Continentals were badged as Lincolns.

kyfdx

I don't remember Continentals of that era (Mk III or IV) having the word Lincoln anywhere on them... We didn't have Marks, but we had Lincolns...

I remember them as the Lincoln Continental Town Car, and the (no Lincoln) Continental Mark IV.

I'm often wrong, though.... I'd just like to see one with Lincoln written on it, somewhere...

andys120

Well you make a good point. I couldn't find a pic of a Mk.III with "Lincoln"
written on it anywhere, not even on the data plate:



It sez "Continental" in several places but not Lincoln. The Mk. III does have the Lincoln square star thing in the center of the grille surround; it can be seen here.

:confuse:

andys120

fintail

Definitely a FOMOCO product, maybe a Mercury head in the steering wheel hub

lemko

With all that woodgrain, I'm guessing a 1963 or 1964 Mercury Park Lane

jwilliams2

That's from a 65 Mercury Comet....

andys120

Nice call!

andys120