Mystery car pix

jwilliams2

And the license plate. I thought maybe he was going to come back and ask about a car across the lake. :P

magnette

As it is probably Lake Como, that'll be a Fiat...

Mr_Shiftright

merciless group here

andys120

Doh!, I didn't even see the plate. :sick:

grahampeters

G'day

Gee. That is gorgeous. Never seen one but a whole lot prettier than the hardtop/.

Could I have one for Christmas, please?

Cheers

Graham

andys120

robr2

Ford Mustang SVT.

1988???

IIRC, nice little boosted 4 cylinder with more HP than the 5.0.

tmart

Well, it's a Mustang, mid 80's. Based on the letters behind the wheel well, rear spoilers, and scoop, I think it's a SVO. OR, are you talking about the Cesna?

au1994

Its a Mustang SVO. Or an SV Oh so slow as my V-8 powered high school friends and I used to call them.

andys120

Yup, it's an '86 Ford Mustang SVO. In '86 the 5.0V8 and the SVO were both rated at 200HP but the next year the V8 got a bump to 225HP.

There was no '87 SVO.

andys120

This was the result when Illinois tank truck drivers struck in 1965>



BIGGER

au1994

I believe the turbo lag was awful on the SVO, plus not a very "tourquey" motor. Even at 200hp the V-8 still gave you that seat of the pants feel that it was faster.

jwilliams2

Looks like a '62 Caddy, a Tempest, a Checker Marathon, a VW, a Corvair, and a '62 Pontiac....

andys120

That's not a '62 Poncho, it's a '64 (we had one). The 'Vair is a '60-'64 2-door and the VW Beetle is 1960-65 going by the taillights.

There's a Ford or Mercury in front of the Checker, possibly a '63 Fairlane and you can see part of a Ford pickup on the left, probably the tow rig for the gas station (they were "service" stations back then).

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

Looks like an Aston Martin that nobody should have built. Somebody doing that to a DB5 should be put up against a wall and shot.

But as my aunt used to say: "coulda been worse"

andys120

Somebody doing that to a DB5 should be put up against a wall and shot.

First of all it's a '67 Aston-Martin DB6 Shooting Brake by Radford.

We've had this argument before, you don't like shooting brakes but I generally do and I don't think there's every been a better looking one, certainly not the ugly Lagonda you're showing.

Mr_Shiftright

Oh no I think shooting brakes look very nice on designs that compliment them.

DB5s and 6s overlap the same year.

These aston SBs are worth quite a bit of money---not to me, but the market trumps my opinion in this case.

Here's my idea of a shooting brake. I think we call modern postwar shooting brakes "station wagons", which is what they look like to me.



The whole idea of "shooting" was tied to the pre-war colonial idea of a car used in hunting. Can you really imagine anyone doing this in a postwar Aston? I guess I don't like "pretend cars", is my problem :P

stever

Gee, you don't think you'd like the yellow "MG" running around town with the VW exhaust sticking out the back?

And no one here prefers calling it a "shooting break"?

fintail

That Aston shooting brake may be odd, but I wouldn't kick it out of my garage...

mac24

I think we call modern postwar shooting brakes "station wagons", which is what they look like to me.

Depends on where you live. In other places they're called 'Estate Cars' or just 'Estates'.

texases

First time I read 'shooting break' was a Chinese intro of a Mercedes a year or so ago. All other times I've seen 'brake'.

andys120

And no one here prefers calling it a "shooting break"?

Brake, break....the terms are interchangeable both mean "wagon". The French and Italians seem to prefer Break, the Brits like Brake.

Euros have a lot of terms for wagons that we don't use: Estate, Universal, Kombi (or Combi), Giardinera and Variant to name just a few.

grahampeters

G'day

The body description Shooting Brake is actually a bit more specific as an estate type car with only one door per side. An Estate Car or Station Wagon has two doors per side.

A Brake was originally a bare bones wagon used for breaking in young horses for carriage work. Later the term described a sort of wagonette where a driver and gamekeeper sat on a lateral bench at the front of the vehicle and sportsmen were carried on longitudinal seats mounted either side of the rear of the vehicle. The sportsmen (fishing or shooting) were then driven from the shoot or fishing spot in some moderate comfort.

The body style made its translation to motor vehicles and more modern interpretations became quite luxurious by the 1950's. These were frequently reinterpretations of sporting coupes with a custom built wagon body, such as the Tickford interpretations of the Aston martin DB5 (both companies were owned by David Brown and he wanted a wagon style body with more storage space on a DB5 chassis; his customers then clamoured for more and about 12 were built. There were also about 6 DB6 made by Radford. The rear of these look a little uncomfortable with the Kammback of the DB6 does not integrate well. I think the image above is a DB6, but the rear end is not clear.

The concept of specialist body builders modifying sedans to provide Estate type bodies did not die easily. Mercedes delayed building Estates for many years and only really developed the concept in the late 1970's (someone will be able to tell us of the first factory built Merc estate- I think late 70's E class - I recall driving a 300TD W123 estate from about then in about 1980 and the estate body was terribly novel - The T designation suggested a Touring body, not Turbocharged)

When I lived in the UK, I saw a few shooting breaks and have mixed emotions; I suspect that the best ones were those where a single designer was involved. Where an existing body was modified by a specialist body shop, the integration of front end and rear rarely works.

I have a professional colleague who enjoys rural sports and fishes and shoots regularly in Scotland. The more typical shooting brake today is a Toyota Landcruiser 78 series with a troop carrier body. However, if you want to go to really remote shoots, you really need one of these;

http://www.shropshiregunbus.co.uk/default.asp

Cheers

Graham

andys120

Thanks for a very informative post Graham. I'd forgotten that it was D.B. himself who commissioned the first A-M Shooting Brake; if Shifty is looking for someone to shoot, he should aim in the general direction of David Brown.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

Having once helped a friend rebuild an Aston Martin engine, I wouldn't have minded shooting him at all. :P Few engines ever intimidated my friend but that one was a monster. But please, sometimes very intelligent and charming people do terribly misguided things. They are not immune to flights of fancy which in retrospect, should have been discussed over beers rather than built. I mean, how 'bout Shelby building a Cobra wagon out of an original 427? Would we praise him for that?

andys120

how 'bout Shelby building a Cobra wagon out of an original 427? Would we praise him for that?

That would depend on how well it was executed. Shel's personal 427 had an A/T, a lot of people would say that was awful but hey, it's his car.

It sold for big bucks recently.

Mr_Shiftright

That's not the same as butchering a classic. That'll be the day when the "shooting brake" version of a Ferrari GTO brings more money than the factory stock one.

andys120

That'll be the day when the "shooting brake" version of a Ferrari GTO brings more money than the factory stock one.

You rang?>

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

I hope that's a fake...if not it was a $10 million dollar error.

stickguy

Is that an alternate style VW karmen ghia coming towards us?

and parked onthe curb is an Opel GT

andys120

Is that an alternate style VW karmen ghia coming towards us?

Sort of, it's the Type 34 Karmann-Ghia1500 which replaced the more familiar (to us) K-G Type 14 ca.1967 in the Euro market.

click for better picture.

In front the Opel GT there's a contemporary Ford Transit van and a pair of Jaguar Mk II sedans.

mac24

and parked onthe curb is an Opel GT

In front of which is a Ford Transit Dormabile camper van, and two Jags.
Further down the white car could be a Ford Corsair.
Three cars in front of that looks to be a Bedford CF van and a VW van.
There's an older style black cab (taxi) at the lights, and the back of the red car on the right might be a Simca.
Finally, in the foreground is a Triumph Herald with a Webasto sunroof.

andys120

imidazol97

1959 Ford
1954 Oldsmobile
1960 Ford
1959 Chevy that didn't show in original picture.

andys120

Got 'em all Imidazol97!

lostwrench1

Oops. The Olds is a 55.

wgrafer

Good save! Now, can you identify the buildings???

andys120

kyfdx

'73 Mercury Cougar?

lostwrench1

Rockefeller Center

andys120

'73 Mercury Cougar?

It's a 1971 Mercury Cougar XR7

jwilliams2

Cool car. I bought an XR7 GT in '67. Coupe, though. The convertible wasn't out until '69. I really liked the car, a little different, and Mustangs were everywhere.

bhill2

I bought an XR7 GT in '67.

Oh man. When that car came out, my 18 year old mind practically leaked out my ears. The Mustang, which up to that point I had been pretty jazzed about, might as well have fallen off the earth. The Cougar just had so much more class. Of course, my 18 year old wallet couldn't afford either of them.

jwilliams2

The think what I liked best was the dash.....looked very european. My only disappointment was it was a little slower at the strip than the '66 Cyclone GT that I traded, and both had basically the same powertrain.

andys120

This is what the rest of the world sees when they hear the word "pickup">

mac24

And what they see when they hear the words "American Pickup".



Although there's nothing wrong with a Toyota HiLux.

texases

And this is what they see when they hear the word "Hilux"