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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That little oddball is the Suzuki X90.

    Both of the ones they sold are still running. Impressive! :D
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2011
    Diesels and diesel-hybrids are getting into the mainstream news more, so maybe demand will build. With all the problems finding good gasser techs, much less diesel ones, lack of cheap fuel, not to mention the engine problems the Liberty CRD had, I'm not sure that diesel will be ready for prime time anytime soon.

    Here's a diesel hybrid we won't get in the initial launch:

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited December 2011
    That's a nice looking wagon, too. :sick:

    Euro V70, right?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    That little oddball is the Suzuki X90

    Yup.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It may not have had any power, and only sat 2 people, but at least it lacked 4 seats and was unsafe, and lost the drop top from its Tracker/Vitara donor vehicle, and did I mention it was slow?

    Potentially the most pointless vehicle of all time, they took the few good things the Tracker offered out of it.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    At least the other surviving X90 now has some PEP!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    image

    I can offer up the Brazilian names for those cars, but have at it.

    If you can't see the image above try this link:

    http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/12/usedvw-opt.jpg
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The diesel hybrid wagon is a 2013 Volvo V60. The price premium over a conventional V60 in Europe will be ~$27,000.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    Sure you didn't mean $2,700?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Maybe something got lost in the currency conversion? The IL article says "Volvo on Tuesday said its 2013 V60 plug-in diesel hybrid will be priced at $75,218 — about $27,000 more expensive than a conventional V60 wagon — when it goes on sale in Europe in early 2012."

    A few other sites agree with that number but maybe they are copying IL.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Shoot for a $27000 diesel premium, you could *leak* gasoline for 10 years and still not justify that cost! :P

    yeah, must be $2,700.

    I dunno, diesel/electric seems superfluous to me. Is that what this is?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2011
    The Volvo UK site says in a news release "The indicative price of the world's first plug-in hybrid with diesel engine is starting at between £45,000 and £50,000 in the UK, minus any government subsidy for electric cars (Plug-in Car Grant)."

    The same site shows a £23,960 starting price for the current V60.

    So, big price difference.

    But, the low emissions exempt you from the London congestion charge. :-)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,625
    I pass an X90 almost every day on the way to work... It was parked there today, as well...

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    Wow - I bet that's right. Diesel premium about $3,000, hybrid premium say $6,000 (it's a big, HEAVY vehicle, compared to, say, a Prius), plus the 'plug-in' premium (much larger battery pack, see Volt) of $15,000 and you're just about there.

    NO WAY to pay that off! Had it just been a diesel hybrid it might have a chance with UK/European fuel prices.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,565
    A row of dashers and a few 412 wagons mixed in (with a beetle behind them).

    I took my driving test on a 412 (my grand mothers) with an AT. that was, by far, the most evil car I ever spent time driving.

    I never figured out how they could take a car with the engine in the back and make it steer that hard.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I call that type of phenomenon "negative brilliance".

    NB allowed GM to make a Fiero drive like a Buick Roadmaster, and allowed them to eradicate every ounce of fun from a Solstice 2-seat roadster
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    ...for the current V60

    Don't they call it V70? Or is it V60 for Europe?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    In Brazil those dashers were called Passat, oddly.

    The wagon was just a Variant. The shorter wheelbase ones were called the Brasilia.

    Beetle was known as Fusca. Super Beetle was the Fuscao, with a tilde over the a, "~".
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Don't they call it V70?

    I only checked the UK site and they show the V50, V60 and V70.

    If the diesel hybrid is comparable to the V70, then you're looking at £26,245 as the starting price for the non-hybrid.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    Ack look at all the Dashers, the orange one is especially fetching. 412 wagons too - I wonder how many of those were still on the road by 1986.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Near Brazil's coast - none. Rust from the salty beach air ate those things alive.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    In Brazil those dashers were called Passat, oddly.

    They were the original Passats in Germany too. Later Passats were known as Quantums in the USA.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    And to come full circle, Quantums were the later Passat wagons in Brazil! Wagon only, BTW.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    Even here that happened, and the mechanicals were not much to embrace either. Can't remember the last time I saw a Dasher. High marks for oddness anyway.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    image

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's the new Benz SL.

    The aluminum body is supposed to make it 300+ lbs lighter. Finally curb weight is moving in the right direction.

    Also the top takes 20 seconds to lower. Not quite Miata fast, but certainly quicker than before.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    Also the top takes 20 seconds to lower. Not quite Miata fast, but certainly quicker than before.

    How long did it take before? 30 seconds? A real eternity. :P

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, the idea is you have to finish before the traffic light changes. :shades:
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    The grille looks Buick-y to me.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2011
    Sort of looks like a Buick logo reiteration in the headlamp lens too eh? The name is being reused, but from another company's car.

    (and yeah, you're very warm, Boom).
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I think this is a new crossover that's supposed to debut for 2013 called the Encore. I"ve seen a press release about it a few days ago.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited December 2011
    Yep, debuts at the Detroit show soon. The Encore is a reiteration and repeat of the Encore name, once used by Chrysler and Renault, maybe others, now reused by GM.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Looks good. I hope it's not just a rebadged Equinox/Terrain.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    A rebadged Equinox is exactly what the grumps are saying it's going to be. We'll see soon enough I guess.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Hopefully they pull a "Verano" and at least use unique powertrains.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,625
    A rebadged Equinox is exactly what the grumps are saying it's going to be

    I'm betting with the grumps...

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    Honestly I don't know what most of these are but a few are quite recognizable:

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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That Pontiac Firebird sure stands out, no?

    On the far, far right, is that a Nissan Axxess van? Hard to tell.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    That Pontiac Firebird sure stands out, no?

    I'll say, it's twice the size of most of the others. Funny thing is a guy on IMCDB thought it might be a Supra.

    Are you talking about the dark gray van in the upper right? It could be a lot of things, including a GM "dustbuster" (Venture/Silhouette/Trans Sport etc) or a Nissan Axxess).

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    edited December 2011
    I will take a couple, Citroen BX at lower middle. and the silver sedan near the person with their arms up is a Renault 25, I think.

    Van at lower right is an early Renault Espace.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    Van at lower right is an early Renault Espace.

    That works for me. Isn't that another Renault in front of it, a red Renault 5, the car we knew as the LeCar. I think the silver car to its left is another, a Renault Laguna.

    I am struck by the number of red cars.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    Must have been a trend in France ca. 1983.

    Renault Laguna wasn't born until 1993. Renault 25 was an odd large 80s style 5 door like the car in that pic.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    Gday

    Van at bottom right is a Renault Espace (remarkable beast and way better than American vans of the same period)
    Next to it is a Renault 5 and then a Citroen bx, I think. ON left of image is another Renault wagon, but cannot remember model
    Next line up is a Renault 5, probably a Renault 25 then a Peugeot 205
    Above that, I think the red car is a Renault

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,565
    new BMW 3 series (guess it is a 2012?). Not sure when they hit the lots, but they weren't apparent at the dealer I spent time in today.

    I would be interested to see the new engine in action. They had a Z4 on the floor with the 2.0t, and MPG ratings on that were 24/34.

    maybe they will have it in the X3 by next year when my wife wants to buy one!

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,136
    That's the new 6er "4 door coupe" :mad: I'm not a fan of the concept, but this one looks better than some others.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,674
    That's right, it's the new 4 door 2013 BMW 6 Series Gran Coupe

    Here's a better pic>

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    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,539
    I like it more than the normal coupe, although "Gran" makes me think of this:

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