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Also with current incentives, $2,500 for 6 cyls and $1,500 for 4cyls, not a big difference between the two. If you bought both at Invoice and subtracted rebates, a GLS V6 would cost $17,331 and a GLS 4cyl would cost $16,996, a difference of $335! These figures are with no options added. :shades:
Not a huge difference from what you stated but it's a difference in the wrong direction according to many around here. Not me though.
A GL Auto. at Invoice is $17,957 minus $1,500 rebate is $16,457, $874 less than GLS V6.
A GL Man. at Invoice is $17,111 minus $1,500 rebate is $15,611, $1,720 less than GLS V6. You'd probably save more gas with manual. Don't know the "real world" figures.
another question about the new sebring. Will the 3.5L V6 be the same version serving duty in the 300 touring sedan, only downgraded in power, or is this a new generation 3.5L V6 ?
The only difference I see between the two besides the power numbers is that they call the 3.5 in the 300 a "High output" engine. The Sebring's version has no such moniker and does not say anywhere that it is a "new" motor.
Looks like the 300 pushes out 250 HP at 6400 RPM which is the same RPM the Sebring pushes out 235 HP. They have different peak torque RPMs though. 250@3,800 for the 300 and 232@4,000 for the Sebring. So some other minor differences seem to be present.
17" tires for Mazda.. , shop and shop. Find a couple of tire brands in your size/ratings. Then shop the net, shop the tire stores. Prices can vary widely by store. Make them bid against each other if you want. I have, they do, they will if they want your business. :shades:
Maybe not worthless, but certainly trivial & anecdotal. What's accurate anyway? I know that sitting behind the wheel of an Accord EXV6 feels good. Is that being accurate? Or is that worthless?
http://www.tomato-anp.de/images/hsonata/gal_01.jpg
Yes - that is accurate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13953387/
Ford: Quality is Job #1 (4 or 5 years ago).
One person may rate "x" mpg very high while another person may rate it very low for example.
I don't get the logic here. Why did you get a V6? So you could drive slower, and get worse gas mileage??? There is something wrong with this picture.
Let me guess: For the same reason millions of others prefer a V6?
As much as I like good fuel economy, a V6 is much more desirable. Especially when the MPG penalty is only 1-2mpg.
Worthless? No way. To me, that's all you should ever need to buy a car. But I'm a big fan of automobiles and have kind of made learning about them, and driving them, one of my hobbies. Others may only want a vehicle to fill a need but could care less what it looks like or how it drives. Those folks need to gather all the info they can and use it as best then can IMO.
I thought that was pretty weak myself. They better hope former Sebring lovers flock to this thing (I won't even offend other cars in this class by calling it a car! :P ) or give it a low price because I don't see it doing very well with the educated consumer crowd. They certainly aren't going to get very many conquest buyers like the Fusion/Milan, and Sonata are either.
Gotta have the nice V6. They get good gas mileage these days, and all the giddyup you'll ever need.
And need the electronics too. Bluetooth Hands Free Link. Navi. XM. I like the LoPros too.
Honda captures the high end of this comparo very well. Can't wait to see the 08 Accord.
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I get the new car. He gets my 2000 Malibu.
My dad got me an accord early. I'll be driving alone in approximately 3 months, 14days, 2 hours, 34 minutes and 36,35,34 secs. :P :shades:
-Cj
Did you try a jetta TDI? its trunk is HUGE (bigger than the Camcordtimanata6 at 16cu ft) and it can get about 700miles on a tank of gas highway.
-Cj :shades:
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Worthless to whom? These people bought a car, still like the car, chose the car over how many other choices out on the market? Owners opinions, reviews matter very much.
I also notice noone made comment to this issue. Toyota has issueshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13953387/....
This is one of only 2 articles I have read on the internet about Toyota stumbling. I have read nothing in my local paper, heard nothing on the news on TV or radio. When Ford was having issues.. it was plastered all over the internet, heard it on the radio multiple times and even made national news.. why isn't this issue with Toyota??
I have test driven the 2006 Mazda6 as well as Fusion and Milan with the same 4 cyl engine. To me there is plenty of power. The last test drive had me and my wife plus a fairly heavy salesman in the back seat of a Milan and the 4 cyl automatic still seemed fine. I have not driven a 6 cylinder for comparison, since the 4 seems acceptable to me.
In the past I have only considered 4 cylinders adequate with manual transmissions. But the 4 cyliders these days seem to have plenty of power and with some cars you can get a 5 speed automatic...that was another reason I had gone for the manuals in the past, I liked having that 5th gear. Automatics now get about the same mpg as manuals. Because of all this I am planning to get a 4 cylinder automatic...but it has to be at least a 5 speed automatic.
Having a more powerful car would just be more frustrating to me anyway, because of all the slow accelerating drivers around here. I think their cars never see over about 2500 rpm. Even when I drive my sons 91 nissan with a 1.6 L engine and automatic, I am usually the fastest one when the light turns green.
My top choice is the Mazda6 also and I am considering going for the hatch as well.
The transition between the battery and engine is seamless, but the overall effect is to produce a car significantly faster than the "normal" 4 cyl. In testing, the 2007 Camry Hybrid is actually faster than the 2006 Camry V6.
So, you get V6-equivalent power, but with the fuel economy of a small compact. EPA 40/38, in aggressive real world driving I'm at 34.8, though I'm near the very bottom of all the "real world" numbers at greenhybrid.com (but then they all probably don't floor it to 80 out of toll boths either).
Really, you should at least take it for a drive. It comes standard with virtually everything, including bluetooth, a sophisticated stability control system, etc. Tough to tell pricing 6-12 months out...right now you are paying at or close to MSRP, $26k base), but there is a $2600 tax credit. The tax credit goes to $1300 in Sept. However, in 6 months, you'll probably do better pricing wise.
With the tax credit and a sunroof package (optional), I paid $24...considering the level of content, performance and fuel economy, its actually a good value with Lexus-like quality and quietness.
Maybe I'll go back and take a drive of the Camry's I4. Guess one doesn't know the score until you actually drive it. Since I'm probably not going to buy for 6 to 12 months, I've got plenty of time to look and re-look.
I may also wait awhile to see what Honda does with their new 08 Accord. Just trying to have an open mind and give them all a 'fair shake'.
Hey... I might decide after all to go with the Camry Hybrid, when it's all said-n-done. We were planning on using this next car for taking family trips... and we pile LOTS of stuff in our trunk. We could always stick with using the wife's large SUV for trips. Decisions, decisions.
Thanks for the suggestion. Hope you are enjoying your Camry.
I think the 4 cyl Mazda 6 has about the same 0-60 time as your Volvo. In march CR tested a Milan with the 2.3L I-4 engine and 5 speed ATX, it was at 9.5 sec.
My acceleration criteria is about that also, based on other cars we have. I agree that is plenty fast enough, that is about what my wife's Jetta can do. My old Contour with 4 cylinder about matched that time or it might theoretically have been a little quicker, but only with the manual trasmission. Too much power in front drive cars can cause torque steer problems, anyway.
I am only considering cars with at least a 5 speed automatic and, since I want a 4 cylinder, this really narrows down the list of moderately priced cars in a hurry.
My dad parents hate taking me on test drives. I once out witted a salesman. He offered me a job at the dealership. Turns out he was the manager!! i was just too young
-Cj :shades:
They are having issues, it's being noted. A lot will depend on how these are handled and what the result is. I have a Prius with the steering recall notice. On the next oil change I'll have it tended to and I expect that that will be the last I will hear of it.
I am enjoying it so far. It "feels" so much quicker than my '04 Malibu Maxx, even though I would never have thought that was the case. Driving dynamics are great.
Yes, the trunk stuff is essentially the only detriment to the Hybrid. Having shopped the Accord Hybrid, I can tell you that's got the same problem. Unlike the Accord, though, at least there is a 60/40 folding rear seat in the Camry--a bit of a surprise given the battery location. I haven't loaded up the Camry with suitcases and the like yet...when I do I'll let you know. For what I've used it (boxes and groceries), I actually like the way its contoured because stuff doesn't slide around.
But I can understand that concern. I was fortunate because I was able to buy one off the lot for almost $1000 under MSRP that happened to be the color I wanted and optioned how I wanted it. So far, people haven't had those choices yet.
There seems to be a mentality out there among domestic car enthusiasts that the press is out to get the domestic industry.
-Cj
The inside of the jetta isn't all that small. Its dimensions are very close inside to the Acura Tsx. Edmunds did a road test comparing the two. The 2005.5 redesign is what made it bigger. Imo honda probably is introducing the civic SI sedan to get with the jetta GLI and Corolla XRS.
to sum it up, vw moved the passat out of range of the accord and move the jetta in. So jetta and passat are both equally against the accord, camry, and sonata.
-Cj :shades:
All 2006 models
Examples: Accord Civic Jetta
Fr. Head r 40.4 39.4 38.5
Rear H R 38.5 37.4 37.2
Fr. L R 42.6 42.2 41.2
Rear L R 36.8 34.6 35.4
Fr. Sh R 56.9 53.7 54.8
Rear Sh R 56.1 52.4 53.1
The Civic and Jetta are basicly the same size. The Accord has much more room (going by the numbers). The Civic actually has more head room, and leg room than the Jetta. The Jetta has more shoulder room and rear leg room. Basicly a wash. The Accord is much larger in every category (except maybe trunk space). The Jetta is not a mid-size car.
Size-wise (per EPA)
Compact: Civic, Corolla, Jetta, Sentra, etc
Midsize: Accord, Altima, Camry, Elantra, Passat, etc
Large: Avalon, Azera, Maxima, Sonata, etc
I'd be very surprised to see the new Accord shown at Paris. Given how important the US market is to Honda, I'd estimate the earliest we could see the car is in LA (Nov.). And even if that's true, being unveiled in LA, automakers cannot start selling 08MY until after Jan 1, 2007 (and rarely automakers sell them so far in advance (e.g. Tahoe). I'd say 07 NAIAS, 07 NYIAS, or even thereafter are more realistic dates.