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Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread
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I think it will prolly be at NAIAS and be the Accord Coupe "Concept" similar to the Civic.
I really wish they would release the next Accord early though (Maybe March or June of 07) but I don't see that happening.
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The accord i was referring to was the Euro accord aka our Acura Tsx. Thats likely to be shown in either the Tokyo, Paris or Geneva autoshow. Our accord is likely to be at the LA, NY, or Detroit autoshow. And released by spring of 2007.
Sorry for that confusion
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The jetta was brought up because someone was considering a camry hybrid or accord hybrid. I was saying the jetta TDI because of its nice interior, big trunk and good gas mileage. Its more of a highway car than city. Basically, diesels are for majority highway miles and hybrids are for city. Its trunk and MPG is good for long road trips as it has space for almost everything except for rear passengers. Its not a useless area like a 2+2 vehicle like say, a TT or SC430. Its a good car for a family of 2 to 4 to go traveling for a week and have room for luggage. Can't quite do that in an accord or camry hybrid...
my point, need a good MPG vehicle with space, don't overlook the jetta TDI. IMO, Its about the biggest current compact, or smallest midsize vehicle.
-Cj :shades:
a day, and while I was very impressed with
the pick-up that the car had, it was pretty
noisy doing it and just not as silky smooth
and as quiet as my '02 Maxima. Plus I really
like that nice "growl" that the VQ-6cylinder
engine makes when I punch the accelerator on
the Max.
I must say though that the Altima handled
better than my Max. Started making me
reconsider a V6 Altima. I can't wait to see
the 2007 Altima in person! Uhmmmm.....
sonata is bigger than both maxima and passat. sonata is a midsize sedan with a large sedan volume.
How about large sedans? The Ford Five Hundred, Dodge Charger, Buick Lucerne, and Chevy Impala are all over 200 inches in length. The Kia Amanti, Chrysler 300, and Toyota Avalon are above 195 inches. So is a large car considered 195 and over? What about the Maxima (193.5 in.) and the Azera (192.7 in.)? Aren't they comparable with large sedans? Why does Edmunds have the Maxima, Azera, and Avalon listed under mid size cars?
But now the Government considers the Sonata a "large size" because of interior size, which is 105 cubic feet. Why hasn't Edmunds listed the Sonata under large? It's still under mid size. So are all the large cars listed above interiors over 105 cubic feet, including the Maxima and Azera? How about the Chevy Malibu Maxx which has an interior of 106 cubic ft. and a length of 187.8 inches, but Edmunds has it listed under mid size? :confuse: :confuse: :confuse: :confuse: :confuse:
The government (EPA) goes by passenger compartment volume.
IIHS goes by weight, because they are only looking at safety.
Comparing dimensions such as length or wheelbase would be another thing that could be used
I would tend to think usable passenger compartment space would be the most meaningful...volume is not always the best measure of that, but I don't know what is.
I don't really care what classification a car is in. If I can set the front seat so that it is comfortable for me and then get in the back seat and have adequate space, it is a big enough car.
I'm sure that 3rd or 4th person in the Jetta's cramped backseat will be real happy that there's room for their luggage.
I would rather pack more lightly and sit in a roomier backseat for a week long trip myself.
I know the new jetta is roomier than the previous model, but it's still not all that roomy for 6 footers in the back seat.
Great road car for two adults and their two children though. Oh, maybe that's what you meant by a family of 2 to 4.
How does Edmunds.com determine the "size" of a car?
Truer words couldn't have been written.
What would the price difference be with a jetta 2.0t pkg 1 compared to your fusion then?
For me, i would still prefer the jetta 2.0t over a fusion. Not knocking your car so much as i really dig the workmanship and driving feel of the jetta 2.0t.
Is this a 2.0T feature, or was it a mid-model correction for all Jettas?
I think you did a good job of creating a "class" of vehicles to be compared when you set up the Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparison discussion.
If you want to pursue how the Edmunds editors classify cars, click on the "Help" link at the very bottom of the page and use the "Contact Us" form to ask. Let us know what you find out!
-Cj
2.0T engine. Only the GLI series gets the
blacked-out front grill and also some
interior differences from the Jetta 2.0, 2.5
and TDI.
Well that remark will certainly be helpful to new car shoppers!
And full of shiny plastic....ew.
Not sure why the Hyundaiers can't take someone else not liking their master. Or do you want anybody who ever comes across these forums to think that we all agree with the Hyundaiclub that pours it on here?
I was looking at the fueleconomy.gov classifications. Some cars that I would think of as midsize, they call compact based on their definition (which is based on passenger plus cargo volume). The Pontiac G6, Subaru Legacy, Jaguar X-type, and TSX are compact by EPA definition.
Meanwhile Hyudai Elantra and Kia Spectra, which I would consider compacts, are midsize according to EPA classification.
But I think there are SO many more Accordians out there that the number of potential posters that want to defend the Accord is high. And its hard to disparage an Accord.
http://biz.yahoo.com/weekend/mostrecall_1.html
This will just get swept under the carpet like most news about Toyota or Honda does.... thanks for the link though... I'll be happy to spread the word around the net in other car chat rooms.... Boy, if this were GM or Ford it would make headlines.. :shades:
I don't doubt that some people do have problems with their Accords. Many more (like myself) don't have many problems.
Whatever floats your boat...I mean Fusion. I think I'll tell of my never-been-stranded 163,000 mile 11 year old Accord, or my granddad's 255,000 mile Civic wagon that he sold for $1,000 miles after 16 years of driving.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/10/Autos/gm_recall/index.htm
http://gm-trucks.com/home/content/view/272/49/
Do the math.
How about Ford?
http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/ford/
Well last year GM I think had to recall 3 million vehicles for various reasons. Ford who doesnt want to be left behind, recalled 4 million vehicles about a defect on the cruise control that causes the vehicles to burst into flame.
http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/10872
Ford fans should'nt worry. They still have 5 more months. Youll still be number one.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/10/Autos/gm_recall/index.htm
http://gm-trucks.com/home/content/view/272/49/
Do the math.
How about Ford?
http://www.automotive.com/new-cars/recalls/01/ford/
Well last year GM I think had to recall 3 million vehicles for various reasons. Ford who doesnt want to be left behind, recalled 4 million vehicles about a defect on the cruise control that causes the vehicles to burst into flame.
http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/10872
Ford fans should'nt worry. They still have 5 more months. Youll still be number one."
Oh boy, you ruin his party too soon!
The enormous volume of Accord owners would definitely play a role in having some owners post problems. Duh.
I think its pretty well determined that the Accord has an impeccable and envious position in total overall satisfaction across the board with the millions of owners it has.
True, but Accord doesn't have the market cornered on customer satisfaction. Every car in this segment has very good customer satisfaction. There is not much separation among all the midsized cars. Toyota will not let the recent spate of problems stand. They will be back better than ever in a year or 2.
I agree that all cars these days seem to be built pretty darn good, and should last a long time if properly maintained.
The recent Toyota issues will be a blip on the screen for them.
Toyota's recalls are making headlines. C'mon, stop it already with the selective memory. Nothing is being swept under the carpet.
Ah... the never ending stories of my Honda went a gazillion miles on 1 oil change stories... Tell these to my mother and father in law who are now on their third Taurus. Present one has 80,000, the other 2 went over 150,000 with no issues.. they sold them because they wanted to.. and they were running fine at sale... Also, my mother owns a 93 Escort with over 170,000 miles... Gee... I thought Fords weren't supposed to last.. :P Or how about my first truck, a 1969 Ford pickup with over 175,000 miles.. bought it for $500 and drove it to 225,000... sold it for $500... stories.. we all got'em..
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Fact is Toyota constantly touts its reputation and relibality record in ever commercial. Now its in question.
Wait a minute, I thought all Honda products, everyone of them were perfect down to the radio knob.. By this response I would guess you went to Google and typed in "Honda problems" or "Accord problems".... Sorry to have burst your bubble...
Funny thing..out of all the posts I've ever read, yours are always the one talking about Hondas being perfect. Same was true in the CR-V forum. I've never hesitated to tell of a worn out master-cylinder in my 96, or about having the oil-filter problem in my dad's CR-V. I drive Honda, and like it. It doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to think they don't have problems. I wish people would quit insinuating that all owners feel their cars are "perfect", and i also wish people would quit telling lies of "no Honda dealers will deal on a car." You can only say that after dealing with EVERY dealer...and judging by the random sampling in the Prices Paid Accord forum, EVERY dealer is dealing on cars.
And the sarcasm never ends...I never claimed Ford had bad reliability...my mom and dad had an 84 LTD for 6 years...it had two power locks go bad and an oil leak that never could get fixed...but for 1984, it wasn't a bad car. From the pics i've seen, it was a beautiful car too (Black with lots of chrome and wire wheels). Instead of knocking other cars, tell more of your own success stories (like you finally did in the post before this one)...it makes you sound much more credible and less like a mudslinging politician. Me posting a success story isn't a threat to you, nor was it intended as such!
We have had Accords as follows...1990, 92, 93, 96, 00, 01, 03, 05, 06. Needless to say, we have had few problems. Of the cars that did have a problem, they went as follows (I can't remember the 90 or 92, so will refer to the later ones)
The 93 EX had a "pop" noise that came from the sunroof occasionally in its later years. We sold it in 2000 having never had a mechanical repair done to it. It got $6000 trade with 105,000 miles and two wrecks (minor damage in both).
The 96 LX currently has 163,500 miles, and has cost $600-$650 in mechanical repairs (Brake Master Cylinder developed a slow leak, and the electric cooling fan motor died...both after 140,000 miles).
The 00 LX and 01 LX were both flawless (The 01 replaced the totaled 00)
The 03 EX got rear-ended and after, never got all the rattles worked out. It was traded on the 05 EX, which has only a creaky sunroof when going over curbs and speedbumps. Not flawless, but not drastic either.
My 06 has had a rear-view mirror replacement based on an anomoly with the mirror (the mirror glass was never manufactured right, so it vibrated in the housing...replaced under warranty).
Needless to say, we like Accords! (By the way, we've had numerous Civics, an Odyssey, and a CR-V)