Hi, Could you provide me with the August MF and Residual for 2018 S5 Sportback. Zip 11364, 10k/36, premium plus and prestige. Thank you!
.00183 MF 60%/58% residual for P+/Prestige $500 lease bonus
Thank you. Sorry new to leasing and learning. But ,this may be a dumb question, but assume that lease bonus is subtracted from the negotiated cost of the car, right? just trying to understand where that comes in during the transaction.
It's a consumer rebate that is subtracted from the CAP cost.
Looking for data for zip code 32801 on P+ & Prestige for 12/36 and 10/36. Any new rebate programs? By the way, is the Audi loyalty thing something that is always available or only from time to time?
Looking for data for zip code 32801 on P+ & Prestige for 12/36 and 10/36. Any new rebate programs? By the way, is the Audi loyalty thing something that is always available or only from time to time?
Are these numbers coming from Audi Financial or another financing company? I ask cause the dealer acted like he had no idea where these numbers came from when i was using them for calculations. Thanks!
Are these numbers coming from Audi Financial or another financing company? I ask cause the dealer acted like he had no idea where these numbers came from when i was using them for calculations. Thanks!
They are from AFS
If they don't want to be transparent with the numbers, it may be time to find another dealer.
Are these numbers coming from Audi Financial or another financing company? I ask cause the dealer acted like he had no idea where these numbers came from when i was using them for calculations. Thanks!
They are from AFS
If they don't want to be transparent with the numbers, it may be time to find another dealer.
Yeah, I mentioned these numbers were received from a reputable source. I added to assume tier 1 credit so we will see what he comes back with. Will keep shopping around.
Hello, Can you please let me know MF/RV for a 2018 S5 Sportback. Prestige 36/10k & 36/12 in 94597.
Also, does the lease bonus & loyalty rebate come off of the negotiated sale price???
Thanks!
.00183 MF 58%/57% residual $500 lease bonus
When you get a price from the dealer, you have to ask if it includes the incentives. Technically, the rebates come off of the sale price. But, that doesn't mean the price they give you is quoted that way.
Hello, can you tell me where the $500 lease cash incentive should be coming from? Audi is telling me the only deals they have right now on S5 SB are the Summer of Audi which covers the 1st payment and $1,000 loyalty as I currently have an Audi...
Hello, can you tell me where the $500 lease cash incentive should be coming from? Audi is telling me the only deals they have right now on S5 SB are the Summer of Audi which covers the 1st payment and $1,000 loyalty as I currently have an Audi...
I am looking to lease 2018 S5 Sportback Prestige
is this a good deal -
MSRP 68,900
Negotiated price 62,200
$0 down payment
36 month 12K/yr
$1027 per month
I am thinking I am getting killed in interest.
What should the MF and RV be in 60003 area?
Thanks!
.00183 and 57%
$500 lease cash
$0 down or $0 due at signing They aren't the same thing.
Is that a City of Chicago ZIP code? If so, your quote may include both state tax as well as city tax - about 17% combined.
As is, those prices give me a payment of $823/mo. Assumes all taxes and fees are paid up front.
Get the CAP cost the dealer is using for their payment quote, and an accounting of how they got there from the negotiated price.
Thank you! $0 for down payment. $400 for document and dealer fees - not sure what this is but they told me that's all I need to pay as everything else is included in the monthly payment. i will find out more tomorrow.
I live outside of chicago so i only need to pay 8% sales tax
MSRP 68,900 Negotiated price 62,200 $0 down payment 36 month 12K/yr $1027 per month
I am thinking I am getting killed in interest. What should the MF and RV be in 60003 area?
Thanks!
.00183 and 57% $500 lease cash
$0 down or $0 due at signing They aren't the same thing.
Is that a City of Chicago ZIP code? If so, your quote may include both state tax as well as city tax - about 17% combined.
As is, those prices give me a payment of $823/mo. Assumes all taxes and fees are paid up front.
Get the CAP cost the dealer is using for their payment quote, and an accounting of how they got there from the negotiated price.
Thank you! $0 for down payment. $400 for document and dealer fees - not sure what this is but they told me that's all I need to pay as everything else is included in the monthly payment. i will find out more tomorrow.
I live outside of chicago so i only need to pay 8% sales tax
Thanks again!
Adding in the $895 acquisition fee, $849/mo.+tax, or about $917/mo.
Appears to be a massive markup to the money factor (maybe, .00283). Either that, or a lot of garbage added to the price.
MSRP 68,900 Negotiated price 62,200 $0 down payment 36 month 12K/yr $1027 per month
I am thinking I am getting killed in interest. What should the MF and RV be in 60003 area?
Thanks!
.00183 and 57% $500 lease cash
$0 down or $0 due at signing They aren't the same thing.
Is that a City of Chicago ZIP code? If so, your quote may include both state tax as well as city tax - about 17% combined.
As is, those prices give me a payment of $823/mo. Assumes all taxes and fees are paid up front.
Get the CAP cost the dealer is using for their payment quote, and an accounting of how they got there from the negotiated price.
Thank you! $0 for down payment. $400 for document and dealer fees - not sure what this is but they told me that's all I need to pay as everything else is included in the monthly payment. i will find out more tomorrow.
I live outside of chicago so i only need to pay 8% sales tax
Thanks again!
Adding in the $895 acquisition fee, $849/mo.+tax, or about $917/mo.
Appears to be a massive markup to the money factor (maybe, .00283). Either that, or a lot of garbage added to the price.
Is the $917/month using the .00183 money factor? If it is, is that a good deal? The best i could find was $950/deal. Not sure
MSRP 68,900 Negotiated price 62,200 $0 down payment 36 month 12K/yr $1027 per month
I am thinking I am getting killed in interest. What should the MF and RV be in 60003 area?
Thanks!
.00183 and 57% $500 lease cash
$0 down or $0 due at signing They aren't the same thing.
Is that a City of Chicago ZIP code? If so, your quote may include both state tax as well as city tax - about 17% combined.
As is, those prices give me a payment of $823/mo. Assumes all taxes and fees are paid up front.
Get the CAP cost the dealer is using for their payment quote, and an accounting of how they got there from the negotiated price.
Thank you! $0 for down payment. $400 for document and dealer fees - not sure what this is but they told me that's all I need to pay as everything else is included in the monthly payment. i will find out more tomorrow.
I live outside of chicago so i only need to pay 8% sales tax
Thanks again!
Adding in the $895 acquisition fee, $849/mo.+tax, or about $917/mo.
Appears to be a massive markup to the money factor (maybe, .00283). Either that, or a lot of garbage added to the price.
Is the $917/month using the .00183 money factor? If it is, is that a good deal? The best i could find was $950/deal. Not sure
Yes, that calculation is using the .00183 MF
We don't track pricing, so can't tell you if the sale price can go lower.
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
What state? $5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
What state?
$5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
What state? $5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
Maryland. 4370 was out of pocket/down payment.
Was that all just down payment? Or did it cover other costs, like sales tax?
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
What state? $5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
Maryland. 4370 was out of pocket/down payment.
.00194 MF and 59% residual (including AudiCare) Maryland tax answers the Gross CAP question.
Was this lease with the August program? If so, .00183 MF and 60% residual (which is the residual on your contract)
It appears that they marked up your money factor from .00183 to .00243, adding $60/mo. to the payment That's a big discount from MSRP, though
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
What state?
$5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
Maryland. 4370 was out of pocket/down payment.
.00194 MF and 59% residual (including AudiCare)
Maryland tax answers the Gross CAP question.
Was this lease with the August program?
If so, .00183 MF and 60% residual (which is the residual on your contract)
It appears that they marked up your money factor from .00183 to .00243, adding $60/mo. to the payment
That's a big discount from MSRP, though
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
What state? $5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
Maryland. 4370 was out of pocket/down payment.
.00194 MF and 59% residual (including AudiCare) Maryland tax answers the Gross CAP question.
Was this lease with the August program? If so, .00183 MF and 60% residual (which is the residual on your contract)
It appears that they marked up your money factor from .00183 to .00243, adding $60/mo. to the payment That's a big discount from MSRP, though
New to the forums and looking to get honest feed back. Recently did a 36/10 on an ‘18 S5 sportback Prestige, fully loaded and added AudiCare. Msrp was $67,750. Here’s the breakdown of the deal...did I get a good deal or got shafted?! Thanks!
What state? $5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
Maryland. 4370 was out of pocket/down payment.
.00194 MF and 59% residual (including AudiCare) Maryland tax answers the Gross CAP question.
Was this lease with the August program? If so, .00183 MF and 60% residual (which is the residual on your contract)
It appears that they marked up your money factor from .00183 to .00243, adding $60/mo. to the payment That's a big discount from MSRP, though
Lease was executed back in June
My calculations are good, then. Looks like they marked up the money factor
my old deal was 685 a month but included a 1300 outlay for my last two if 5 montly payments on current lease.
Other deal
premium plus exact same options and color Msrp 64990 selling 57500 (1000,500) base mf residual 39645 monthly: 685 additional our of pocket 1300
if I take that 1300 and cap cost reduce the other deal it’s 691 (which I won’t cap reduce a lease)
so for a prestige thats 900 more msrp with worse residual for me it’s only a 6 dollar difference a month essentially.
I dont see getting a 2019 prestige for this price. Thoughts overall are welcome
We generally advise folks to avoid leasing the Prestige trim levels for any Audi model. If you can option up a P+ to be close to a prestige, that's the route I'd go.
(but, that road is closed to me, since I don't play in that price bracket)
my old deal was 685 a month but included a 1300 outlay for my last two if 5 montly payments on current lease.
Other deal
premium plus exact same options and color Msrp 64990 selling 57500 (1000,500) base mf residual 39645 monthly: 685 additional our of pocket 1300
if I take that 1300 and cap cost reduce the other deal it’s 691 (which I won’t cap reduce a lease)
so for a prestige thats 900 more msrp with worse residual for me it’s only a 6 dollar difference a month essentially.
I dont see getting a 2019 prestige for this price. Thoughts overall are welcome
We generally advise folks to avoid leasing the Prestige trim levels for any Audi model. If you can option up a P+ to be close to a prestige, that's the route I'd go.
(but, that road is closed to me, since I don't play in that price bracket)
Michaell
thanks for the feedback. And I agree 100% about prestige being a terrible deal normally, losing 2% residual or an equal msrp is awful. However, In my instance I’m “saving 1300 more” with them covering 5 payments instead of the 3. Also overall thoughts on the discount? I think after reading through most of the posts in this thread over a year it’s really, really solid.
No crystal ball of course but I wonder when the 2019 programs numbers will be released? They would be good to know.
I know I can get 6-7% off msrp on a 19 with Acna. I cant see the residual on the P+ getting worse, 61% for 36/7 is already not great. My lease is up in March 2019 and have time.
my old deal was 685 a month but included a 1300 outlay for my last two if 5 montly payments on current lease.
Other deal
premium plus exact same options and color Msrp 64990 selling 57500 (1000,500) base mf residual 39645 monthly: 685 additional our of pocket 1300
if I take that 1300 and cap cost reduce the other deal it’s 691 (which I won’t cap reduce a lease)
so for a prestige thats 900 more msrp with worse residual for me it’s only a 6 dollar difference a month essentially.
I dont see getting a 2019 prestige for this price. Thoughts overall are welcome
We generally advise folks to avoid leasing the Prestige trim levels for any Audi model. If you can option up a P+ to be close to a prestige, that's the route I'd go.
(but, that road is closed to me, since I don't play in that price bracket)
Michaell
thanks for the feedback. And I agree 100% about prestige being a terrible deal normally, losing 2% residual or an equal msrp is awful. However, In my instance I’m “saving 1300 more” with them covering 5 payments instead of the 3. Also overall thoughts on the discount? I think after reading through most of the posts in this thread over a year it’s really, really solid.
No crystal ball of course but I wonder when the 2019 programs numbers will be released? They would be good to know.
I know I can get 6-7% off msrp on a 19 with Acna. I cant see the residual on the P+ getting worse, 61% for 36/7 is already not great. My lease is up in March 2019 and have time.
Sorry im struggling with the decision
We don't track pricing - our recommendation is to target 6% off MSRP, before incentives.
No information on 2019 availability.
I'd hold off and lease when your current one expires; that's one less variable you have to factor in.
Leased an S5 Sportback Prestige in Dallas MSRP $67750 36 Months, 10K per month $890 per month 0 out of pocket just walked out with the car. Included Audicare The MF is marked up a lot but they reduced the MSRP, could have been able to get to 850 but compared to other dealers these guys gave a low price out of the gate and I went with it. Not many P+ available in the market as suggested by Michaell unless custom order.
Leased an S5 Sportback Prestige in Dallas MSRP $67750 36 Months, 10K per month $890 per month 0 out of pocket just walked out with the car. Included Audicare The MF is marked up a lot but they reduced the MSRP, could have been able to get to 850 but compared to other dealers these guys gave a low price out of the gate and I went with it. Not many P+ available in the market as suggested by Michaell unless custom order.
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Looking for data for zip code 32801 on P+ & Prestige for 12/36 and 10/36. Any new rebate programs? By the way, is the Audi loyalty thing something that is always available or only from time to time?
.00183 MF
59%/57% residual for P+/Prestige
$500 lease bonus
$1000 loyalty.
We've seen loyalty rebates all this year.
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Could you please provide me with the MF and Residual for the P+ trim with the following terms in zip code 92675:
- 12k/36mos
- 15k/36mos
Thanks in advance for all your help!
$500 lease cash
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Are these numbers coming from Audi Financial or another financing company? I ask cause the dealer acted like he had no idea where these numbers came from when i was using them for calculations. Thanks!
If they don't want to be transparent with the numbers, it may be time to find another dealer.
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Yeah, I mentioned these numbers were received from a reputable source. I added to assume tier 1 credit so we will see what he comes back with. Will keep shopping around.
Thanks again for the support!
I'm looking for the MF and Residual for 2018 S5 Sportback P+ in las vegas, 89074
10k/24
10k/36
Much thanks!
$500 lease cash
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Can you please let me know MF/RV and incentives for a 2018 S5 Sportback. Premium Plus 36/10k in 90049.
Thank you in advance!
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Can you please let me know MF/RV for a 2018 S5 Sportback. Prestige 36/10k & 36/12 in 94597.
Also, does the lease bonus & loyalty rebate come off of the negotiated sale price???
Thanks!
58%/57% residual
$500 lease bonus
When you get a price from the dealer, you have to ask if it includes the incentives. Technically, the rebates come off of the sale price. But, that doesn't mean the price they give you is quoted that way.
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Thx for the help!
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is this a good deal -
MSRP 68,900
Negotiated price 62,200
$0 down payment
36 month 12K/yr
$1027 per month
I am thinking I am getting killed in interest.
What should the MF and RV be in 60003 area?
Thanks!
$500 lease cash
$0 down or $0 due at signing They aren't the same thing.
Is that a City of Chicago ZIP code? If so, your quote may include both state tax as well as city tax - about 17% combined.
As is, those prices give me a payment of $823/mo. Assumes all taxes and fees are paid up front.
Get the CAP cost the dealer is using for their payment quote, and an accounting of how they got there from the negotiated price.
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Thank you!
$0 for down payment. $400 for document and dealer fees - not sure what this is but they told me that's all I need to pay as everything else is included in the monthly payment. i will find out more tomorrow.
I live outside of chicago so i only need to pay 8% sales tax
Thanks again!
$0 for down payment. $400 for document and dealer fees - not sure what this is but they told me that's all I need to pay as everything else is included in the monthly payment. i will find out more tomorrow.
I live outside of chicago so i only need to pay 8% sales tax
Thanks again!
Adding in the $895 acquisition fee, $849/mo.+tax, or about $917/mo.
Appears to be a massive markup to the money factor (maybe, .00283).
Either that, or a lot of garbage added to the price.
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Appears to be a massive markup to the money factor (maybe, .00283).
Either that, or a lot of garbage added to the price.
Is the $917/month using the .00183 money factor?
If it is, is that a good deal? The best i could find was $950/deal. Not sure
If it is, is that a good deal? The best i could find was $950/deal. Not sure
Yes, that calculation is using the .00183 MF
We don't track pricing, so can't tell you if the sale price can go lower.
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07032
Thanks in advance.
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.00194 MF
67%/65% residual for P+/Prestige for 24/10
Add 1% for 7.5K/yr
$500 lease bonus
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$5000 out of pocket?
$4370 difference between agreed value and Gross CAP. Do you have a breakdown of that amount?
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Was that all just down payment? Or did it cover other costs, like sales tax?
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.00194 MF and 59% residual (including AudiCare)
Maryland tax answers the Gross CAP question.
Was this lease with the August program?
If so, .00183 MF and 60% residual (which is the residual on your contract)
It appears that they marked up your money factor from .00183 to .00243, adding $60/mo. to the payment
That's a big discount from MSRP, though
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Maryland tax answers the Gross CAP question.
Was this lease with the August program?
If so, .00183 MF and 60% residual (which is the residual on your contract)
It appears that they marked up your money factor from .00183 to .00243, adding $60/mo. to the payment
That's a big discount from MSRP, though
Lease was executed back in June
We no longer have the June numbers to reference.
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Maryland tax answers the Gross CAP question.
Was this lease with the August program?
If so, .00183 MF and 60% residual (which is the residual on your contract)
It appears that they marked up your money factor from .00183 to .00243, adding $60/mo. to the payment
That's a big discount from MSRP, though
Lease was executed back in June
My calculations are good, then. Looks like they marked up the money factor
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2018 s5 sportback prestige
36/7,500
no Audicare
thanks so much looking to execute a deal in a day or two (they lost the premium plus car I negotiated on and knew the numbers)
1000 loyalty
500 lease credit
Big msrp discount
didn’t want prestige I assume it takes a 2% residual hit but has same MF?
$500 lease bonus
61% for Premium Plus
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Prestige is such a bad lease option (if you don’t care about HUD, DAP, top view). However think I’m getting a good deal.
Prestige s5 sportback
msrp: 65950
selling: 58400 (1000 loyal 500 LC)
base MF
residual: 38910.50
36 month 7,500
Montly: 730
my old deal was 685 a month but included a 1300 outlay for my last two if 5 montly payments on current lease.
Other deal
premium plus exact same options and color
Msrp 64990
selling 57500 (1000,500)
base mf
residual 39645
monthly: 685
additional our of pocket 1300
if I take that 1300 and cap cost reduce the other deal it’s 691 (which I won’t cap reduce a lease)
so for a prestige thats 900 more msrp with worse residual for me it’s only a 6 dollar difference a month essentially.
I dont see getting a 2019 prestige for this price. Thoughts overall are welcome
(but, that road is closed to me, since I don't play in that price bracket)
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thanks for the feedback. And I agree 100% about prestige being a terrible deal normally, losing 2% residual or an equal msrp is awful. However, In my instance I’m “saving 1300 more” with them covering 5 payments instead of the 3. Also overall thoughts on the discount? I think after reading through most of the posts in this thread over a year it’s really, really solid.
No crystal ball of course but I wonder when the 2019 programs numbers will be released? They would be good to know.
I know I can get 6-7% off msrp on a 19 with Acna. I cant see the residual on the P+ getting worse, 61% for 36/7 is already not great. My lease is up in March 2019 and have time.
Sorry im struggling with the decision
thanks for the feedback. And I agree 100% about prestige being a terrible deal normally, losing 2% residual or an equal msrp is awful. However, In my instance I’m “saving 1300 more” with them covering 5 payments instead of the 3. Also overall thoughts on the discount? I think after reading through most of the posts in this thread over a year it’s really, really solid.
No crystal ball of course but I wonder when the 2019 programs numbers will be released? They would be good to know.
I know I can get 6-7% off msrp on a 19 with Acna. I cant see the residual on the P+ getting worse, 61% for 36/7 is already not great. My lease is up in March 2019 and have time.
Sorry im struggling with the decision
We don't track pricing - our recommendation is to target 6% off MSRP, before incentives.
No information on 2019 availability.
I'd hold off and lease when your current one expires; that's one less variable you have to factor in.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Looking for me and residual in an 2018 s5 convertible premium
Northern NJ
.00173 MF and 53% residual
$2000 lease bonus
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MSRP $67750
36 Months, 10K per month
$890 per month 0 out of pocket just walked out with the car.
Included Audicare
The MF is marked up a lot but they reduced the MSRP, could have been able to get to 850 but compared to other dealers these guys gave a low price out of the gate and I went with it.
Not many P+ available in the market as suggested by Michaell unless custom order.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Looking to get the Oct. numbers for the following criteria:
* S5 Sportback P+ & Prestige
* 36/15k
* 92675
Thanks in advance for your help!