I'd like it even more if there was only one price sheet listing price of the base vehicle and every option installed, as opposed to 2 different things called the MSRP and the Invoice. I think that difference causes all the haggling and bargaining and the headaches. Thats IMO, - MS.
...I agree with the concept if it was a "fair" price,but we all know how much it is over invoice and in most instances the dealers are not willing to negotiate....specially since Saturn is not in a category like LEXUS,MERCEDES oR BMW...don't you think?
I got you....no matter hwat we are always behind the 8 ball when it comes to cars..I had a friend that had a hard time deciding when to buy since he was always waiting for that "somthing" extra...lol
Thanks for having my back on that one....however, I'm perplexed of how they can announce changes, know when production starts, are taking orders ( I think), without anyone knowing what the actual cost is (I guess "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" holds here, although I'd like to believe if I had unlimited resources, I'd still inquire as to what something costs before I buy :shades: ) Do you have a link or know what the 'minor changes' are? Thanks, metmdx
Mannnnnnnnnnnn...cars are getting to be like computers now! Pretty soon, they're just gonna start selling a shell and make everything upgradeable! LOL You just purchase a basic operating system and add all the peripherals you want. Then when you get to a point you don't like the case, but want to keep everything else, you just buy a new case and transfer everything from the old case into the new one!
It is getting pretty bad though. Just when you like what a car has to offer, you blink and there are changes. You pretty much just have to make your mind up and just go for it.
Wow ! talk about the real deal. Thanks for the link. Obviously coming right from the 'horses mouth'. Do you know for sure when '08 production actually begins? Thanks again
I was very surprised when I read the July issue of Consumer Reports "first looks". The article said the Acadia, Outlook and Enclave might be the most competitive GM product in years.
This might be a backhand complement but it was one of the few seemingly positive statements about GM cars in quite a while.
You say GM should put an end to OnStar becuase it has outlived it's usefulness. I say tell that to the people who have been helped when their airbag went off. I'm sure many of them had their cell phone but when you are not conscious what good is it? To make that comment tells me you really don't understand the full usefulness of OnStar.
Another comment about not using the service - every time you drive the car you are using the service, it's there if you need it and reacts in emergency situations when you can't.
As a Buick owner, I can't agree more! If I wanted to, I can have my Verizon cell phone linked to On-Star for about $10 a month. In about a year, Bluetooth will be as advanced as an 8-track stereo!
Ok, I suggest you control your attitude. I made a comment and if you don't like it you are free to post your own opinion. But please, do not tell me I don't know what I am talking about. I'm going to lay out my rationale one more time, if you still don't get it then maybe I'm not the one who doesn't understand things.
Aside from the accident alert feature, every facet of OnStar can be replicated with better technologies that afford more freedom to the customer. The fact is that in-dash navigation systems provide both visual and audible directions, which I believe is preferable to audible alone. Secondly, contrary to what kcorey might believe, bluetooth will not be obsolete any time soon. By the way, what exactly are you basing that on, and why on earth would you be happy about paying $10 extra per month to use a service you already pay for? If GM would include bluetooth in the car you would not have to pay any extra money per month, that means you would save $120 year and would be able to switch to a different cellular provider if you so chose. But, hey, if you want to limit yourself to being stuck with one service provider and paying extra for that privilege who am I to tell you what to do? I always thought that more choices and more freedom for the consumer were good things.
The bottom line is that there is no reason GM has to tie all the features of OnStar together. They could easily add bluetooth as an option for those who want to use a service other than Verizon or those who have better things to do with their $120/year. The only problem with offering bluetooth as an option is that GM only gets the one time, upfront charge, and can not continue to charge you to make calls for as long as you own your car.
One more thing, if OnStar really is so great, why did GM's licensing efforts fall flat on their face? Is it because everyone saw it for what it was, a way to line GM's pockets at the expense of consumer choice?
By the way, I see you're from Michigan, does GM pay you extra for your OnStar promotional services?
Will these premium vehicles stop offering in-dash navigation and bluetooth, or will their implementation of OnStar feature the accident alert/car unlocking features plus a concierge service? I can see the usefulness in that aspect, push a button and have someone make restaurant or hotel reservations for you. I'm not saying OnStar has no redeeming qualities, I just think GM has gotten carried away with trying to make it a do everything service. They should stick to the services they can do best, unlock your car, and monitor accidents/emergencies. A high end concierge service for premium/luxury vehicles might have a market on top of that, but think it would be limited.
Still, I for one will not endorse any product that limits my ability to choose or forces me to pay extra for a service for which I already pay.
I had heard that there were not many parties interested in OnStar, but that was about a year or so ago. I would be interested to learn what has changed.
You forgot one very important thing that could mean a lot to many people. OnStar is a 3 watt system. Your cell is 0.5 watts. Some of us travel farther away from the towers than others and need the extra punch. And for your info I have the free one year on my STS but have never seen the need for it in my case. I keep getting cards in the mail to buy minutes for 12.95 per 100 min. for those of you out there who think/thought it was more. They're good for a year and each time you buy more the rest roll over to a year.
We have an SRX that has both the in dash nav and the OnStar nav.
The indash Nav comes eith a $2500 entertainment package but I have seen most Navs priced at $1500-$2000. Over a 3 year lease that is $500/year. The OnStar is, per someone here, $300/year. I realize that you get at least half of the money back at the end of the lease but for my money it is a tie on which is better. If you like the wazzoo looks the in dash is the way to go. If you like the sense of security, lock out protection, Lo-jack and the other stuff OnStar gives you it is the way to go.
Both Nav systems work pretty well. The OnStar is safer and simpler because you just push a buton an your steering wheel and tell the person where you want to go. They download the latest map info into your car and off you go. The indash requires you to buy new map data if you want the latest roads. Both give the same prompts and visual info.
I was not forgetting that, I understand that in-car phone systems will always provide better reception. My problem with Onstar still boils down to the fact that it forces you to use Verizon. I have no problem with Verizon, I just don't want to buy a car that forces me to stay with the same cell phone service just because that is what works with my car. I also would not want to pay extra to use the cell phone I already pay for, or have to pay to use OnStar in addition to what I pay for my cell phone. If they could come up with a system that allows me to choose what cell phone company I use with it and not make me pay extra to use my cell phone I would not complain. If that were the case I would be happy to pay the yearly fee for the piece of mind that comes with having all the other features. I just don't like paying twice for something or being locked into a cell plan because of my car. Also, my wife and I often drive each others cars and our bluetooth phones can be used in either. If one of us had a car with only OnStar then the other would be out of luck with his or her phone.
Couldn't they do with OnStar what other car companies do with satellite radio, give you a choice when you buy/order the car. That way if you have Sprint then your Onstar will work with your Sprint number, if you have Cingular etc.
Everyone has compromises they are willing to make when buying a car, this is just one that I won't.
so because you don't want one GM should do away with it. Ok, You only want a AM radio too and think the other is a waste. So GM should do away with it. Narrow thinking, a company needs to make as MANY options available as $$ possible to gain as many buyers as possible. What you look down upon others think is a plus.
OK, I think all of us are getting way off the track here. No car on the market today has every option, or is perfect in every detail. Most of the time it's give and take. Because a car didn't have a particular minor feature is certainly no reason to not buy it. For example, sure it's nice to have folding exterior mirrors, but because a car didn't have it, but had everything else, is not a reason to not buy it. Try them all out. Go to a dealership and give them a test drive. If it fits your needs, then buy it.
I think GM should either do away with the calling features of OnStar or make bluetooth an option for people who don't want to pay extra to use their own cell phone. For crying out loud, you can get bluetooth on a $16,000 Nissan Sentra but not a $46,000 Buick, please explain that to me. If you read my posts a bit more carefully, you'll see I said that more choices/options are a good thing. My problem with OnStar, and I really shouldn't have to type this again, but since you weren't paying attention I will, is that it severely limits your choice to using OnStar's calling service or paying $10/month to use your own Verizon phone. So, if you have Verizon you pay $120 extra each year to use your own phone, if you have another cell phone provider you have to pay for your service plus OnStar and give all your friends and family another number. I didn't say I didn't want one, I said it was poorly implemented. Did you bother to read anything I wrote past the first line?
As far as what car companies offer a choice of sat radio, when I bought my Passat last year I had a choice of Sirius or XM. All that was required was to put in a different module at the factory. I don't consider VW a luxury brand either.
Yep, people tend to forget that the Onstar service is $300/year, plus you have to add Verizon service for an additional $120. So that's $420/year.
You're right, bluetooth should be an option: it's expected for vehicles in this price range. There's nothing wrong with Onstar, but I use Alltel wireless and am not about to go and get a Verizon account, and am certainly not going to pay inflated prices for Onstar minutes. And the whole peace of mind thing is just a gimmick: who locks themselves out of a car with key remotes these days? And the airbag notification? Odds are that you'll get into an accident where there will be many other cars around, so people can call in for help. As well, the electrical/GPS still have to function after the accident.
So for about $420, I can buy one of those Garmin Nuvi NAV systems that already have bluetooth included in the unit. Problem solved!
Yep, people tend to forget that the Onstar service is $300/year, plus you have to add Verizon service for an additional $120. So that's $420/year.
Misinformation.
You do not have to add the verizon service. OnStar phone works w/o the Verizon.
It is $200/year for the safe and sound system which includes a phone number. You do have to buy the minutes which are not the cheapest around. But you do not have to buy the phone system and the first year of OnStar is free.
The Verizon part works if you want a family plan and go under ne Verizon bill. I do not have one but you can add multiple phones/phone numbers on one bill with a cheap calling plan. So if you know you are going to have 300 minutes of phone calls on all your phones you pick that plan. Like all the family plan phones, it is $10/month.
Use OnStar Hands-Free Calling for less than ever before, with Verizon Wireless plan pricing. Make calls to other Verizon Wireless customers on both lines without using your plan minutes, plus get unlimited IN calling and unlimited night and weekend minutes. Get one Verizon Wireless bill for all your calls.
who locks themselves out of a car with key remotes these days?
Lots of people do.
And now you are playing the odds. I just read about a girl who went off the road and was in the woods for 2 days before someone saw her. One more day and she would have been dead. If she had OnStar it would have notified. Wonder if the $200/year is worth it to her family.
they are always running specials for $179 per year and if you read their site that is a 15 month year too. Thats about $144 per 12 month year. According to the site their coverage area is almost everywhere where the cell phone co. is a whole lot less. I have also recieved many postcards from them telling me its only 12.95 per 100 min or less than 8 cents a min.
We were talking about NAV comparisons and bluetooth for cell phones, and the Onstar equivalent is the $300/year plan and the additional need to get Verizon service. So yes, at least $420/year.
As for locking yourself out: for this to happen you'd have to physically press the lock button inside the car, forget your remote inside the car, and shut the door. Not very likely. Most people tend to lock the car with the remote once they are out of the car.
As for your "safety" reasoning for getting Onstar (i.e. crashing into the woods), you're really reaching. Never mind the fact that most accidents happen on the road (not off-road, this based on some statistics I found for several States), but if the electrical system is damaged, or if you are indeed in the woods and in thick foliage, the GPS won't work and you won't be tracked.
So as an extra little gimmick, Onstar is fun. If I had money to throw around, I might even consider it, because even though I am sounding negative, it does have neat features.
I am disappointed with the limited redemption allowances on the GM Card.
I have ccumulated nearly $5000 of GM card dollars with nearly $100,000 purchases on my GM Card, and now GM will only allow me to redeem $1000 on a Buick Enclave. What a disappointment. Goodbye GM Card. Goodbye GM
Do you have the "old" GM Card or the "new" GM Card? You must have the "new" card if you are subject to a redemption allowance. Those of us who have the old original card are limited to earning $500/year for up to 7 years or $3500 total, but are not subject to the $1000 redemption allowance. The newer card allows unlimited earnings, but only lets you use them up to the redemption allowance for each vehicle.
I have the new card "Platinum" version. I accumualted the $5000 in earnings toward a car in the last 3 years. Even on a Cadillac STS, I can only redeem $1000 With your card, I would still only be eligible to redeem $1500 on a $40K or $55K vehicle. So you think this O.K.? I think it is too restrictive. This is supposed to be a reward for using your GM Card. How is GM supposed to pay its pension costs if it doesn't reward its customers with synergy between its credit arm and its car sales? And what about Saab and Saturn? Aren't they GM products---GM Card doesn't recognize these brands. Time for somebody over there to wake up and realize previously loyal customers are walking. Their stingy policies equate to a Reverse Conquest" program
I'm not saying it's OK or not OK. It is what it is and you are certainly within your rights to take it or leave it. For me it has worked out fine - I'll be redeeming about $3100 of earnings when my Acadia arrives because I've never bought a GM vehicle and have had the old card for years. Did you read the terms and conditions when you got your card?
FYI, the redemption allowances are not disclosed in the card member agreement. To find out the redemption allowance on the Enclave, I had to visit my dealer and they had to call GM. This information for the Enclave is not even available on the GM card website.
I am with you on this. I got a GM card last year because I expected to buy either an Enclave or a Cadillac for my next car. My rewards are $1,500 now and will be over $2,000 I'm sure when I purchase. If I can only use $1,000 towards a new car, my incentive to buy GM is greatly reduced. I may buy BMW instead.
that is one reason I go to the GM card website and redeem my earnings as I go along. You are allowed to redeem for cash but only in $50 imcriments. I got a check last month for $200.
Yes it was rather high praise coming from consumer reports which seems to only like honda and toyota. In the same issue they reviewed lincoln's crossover and was not impressed. I test drove ford's step down version the edge but ending up buying the acadia because the ride was nicer.
The cap on the allowances of the GM card is not new. Expect 5% rebate on all your purchase is just too much. No business is doing this or will do this. Be realistic.
"And the whole peace of mind thing is just a gimmick: who locks themselves out of a car with key remotes these days?"
In my case it was the folks at the car wash...it came out and they parked it in the drying area...a few minute later they tried to get in to do the inside windows. "Sir, you car is locked, do you have a extra key or should we call PoP-A-Lock?" Wifes Envoy so I did not have an extra in my wallet. Called her at home and since we had recently renewed the service, had the info handy. Called On-Star for the first time and within a couple of minutes the lights flashed and doors were unlocked.
Yearly fee for the basic On-Star plan is $199+sales tax if applicable.
I'm still thinking about adding the Envoy to our Verizon plan. $10 a month for the additional phone. What you could do is when driving the On-Star equipped vehicle, forward your Verizon handset calls to the On-Star/Verizon number. That way you should get your call without having to give out the additional number.
Might be a pain in the rear and more trouble than it is worth except for those few times a year when you are traveling...not when you are near home and in and out of the vehicle for short trips.
We took delivery of our Enclave last night. In our case, this was a long, arduous process that began when Chrysler discontinued availablity of awd on their minivans. (We've had 5 of 'em over the years.) Since we wanted that option here in snowy NE Ohio along with three comfortable rows, hid xenon headlights, use of RUG (not premium) and the "X" factor: emotional appeal, our choices narrowed quickly. Surprisingly, the Pacifica wouldn't have been a bad choice. Nevertheless, after driving/testing the Audi Q7, Acura MDX, Chrysler Pacifica, Mazda CX-9 (which we tentatively ordered,) Saturn Outlook, Volvo and other, obvious non-candidates like the Subaru, Ford and Hyundai cuv's our choice became very clear. 18 months ago we saw the Enclave concept at the auto show and my wife loved its shape immediately. This year at the show we saw the production version and extensively examined the Acadia and Outlook. Our initial reactions: It has that "X" factor in spades. It's extremely quiet and spacious. (Our knees, for example don't touch anything which really irritated us in the Mazda.) It has OnStar, a real plus. The whole shebang was explained in detail by our dealer, Lakeshore Buick in Shaker Heights. They also gave us a sharp price and included the Conquest rebate with no problem. (I particularly liked the un-advertised "value-added" maintainence extras they included.) In short, as of today, we are extremely satisfied in ways we haven't often experienced with other new car purchases we've made over the years.
You don't need to see photos of our Enclave. It's the ubiquitous Cocoa w/ cashmere interior! We did purposely order the 2nd row bench. IMHO, since it has the same comfort as the buckets, and includes a fold down armrest, and was a -$411 option, we wanted the possiblility of carrying another passenger.
Yes, we ordered it on the first day GM accepted orders from Buick dealers, I think back in March. We got one of the first two alloted to our dealer and we ordered it exactly the way we wanted it. There is a four-digit code your dealer should receive when you place your order that indicates where in the process your Enclave is, i.e. order accepted, being built, being shipped, etc. I understand there's a delay if you go for the white exterior.
OK, here's my question; how come 3rd row doesn't have middle position headrest? Odyssey and Sienna, which are the major competition in this category do. I've had two salespeople (GMC and Saturn) tell me 'oh, you can put a car seat there'. But what if I want to put an ADULT there? Ditto for 2nd row bench as opposed to having captains chairs. I haven't researched this, but I would think NHTSA or some other agency wouldn't let you advertise/market/sell a vehicle that didn't have a headrest at a seating position. Isn't that a law and why you have them at the other positions? Maybe I'm wrong, but something seems outta whack here :confuse: metmdx
First of all...how often do you really think an adult is going to sit back there. Secondly, if one does...do you really think it will be for the amount of time a head rest will matter? I guess Saturn was playing the odds as to how often an adult would really be back there in the middle seat of the 3rd row.
From owning one, I would never EVER put 3 adults in the 3rd row. Well, unless they are the size of the Olsen twins. Also, the headrest would greatly interfere with visibility that is already very limited out the back window.
My suggestion, get the rear parking assist because you can't see squat out the back of the thing. To me that is the onlt shortcoming of the vehicle. I have heard that some people have trouble with seeing cars on the side of the vehicle. An easy fix to that is making sure your mirriors are looking in the right places. For a sedan, the rear door handle should be in the lower-inside corner of the mirror. Fof the Outlook, it should be in the inside-middle part of the mirror. Looking more down than back.
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Do you have a link or know what the 'minor changes' are?
Thanks, metmdx
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2008&butID=1®ionID=1&divisionID=2&vehicleID=5243&type=0#
It is getting pretty bad though. Just when you like what a car has to offer, you blink and there are changes. You pretty much just have to make your mind up and just go for it.
Do you know for sure when '08 production actually begins?
Thanks again
Thanks.
This might be a backhand complement but it was one of the few seemingly positive statements about GM cars in quite a while.
Another comment about not using the service - every time you drive the car you are using the service, it's there if you need it and reacts in emergency situations when you can't.
Aside from the accident alert feature, every facet of OnStar can be replicated with better technologies that afford more freedom to the customer. The fact is that in-dash navigation systems provide both visual and audible directions, which I believe is preferable to audible alone. Secondly, contrary to what kcorey might believe, bluetooth will not be obsolete any time soon. By the way, what exactly are you basing that on, and why on earth would you be happy about paying $10 extra per month to use a service you already pay for? If GM would include bluetooth in the car you would not have to pay any extra money per month, that means you would save $120 year and would be able to switch to a different cellular provider if you so chose. But, hey, if you want to limit yourself to being stuck with one service provider and paying extra for that privilege who am I to tell you what to do? I always thought that more choices and more freedom for the consumer were good things.
The bottom line is that there is no reason GM has to tie all the features of OnStar together. They could easily add bluetooth as an option for those who want to use a service other than Verizon or those who have better things to do with their $120/year. The only problem with offering bluetooth as an option is that GM only gets the one time, upfront charge, and can not continue to charge you to make calls for as long as you own your car.
One more thing, if OnStar really is so great, why did GM's licensing efforts fall flat on their face? Is it because everyone saw it for what it was, a way to line GM's pockets at the expense of consumer choice?
By the way, I see you're from Michigan, does GM pay you extra for your OnStar promotional services?
Actually you will see OnStar on more non GM makes soon. Mostly premium vehicles.
Still, I for one will not endorse any product that limits my ability to choose or forces me to pay extra for a service for which I already pay.
I had heard that there were not many parties interested in OnStar, but that was about a year or so ago. I would be interested to learn what has changed.
Well, Batman likes it.... :P
Yes, it's available with navigation. Use this link and click on "new for 2008".
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2008&butID=1®ionID=1&divisionID=10&vehicleID=5065&type=0#
The indash Nav comes eith a $2500 entertainment package but I have seen most Navs priced at $1500-$2000. Over a 3 year lease that is $500/year. The OnStar is, per someone here, $300/year. I realize that you get at least half of the money back at the end of the lease but for my money it is a tie on which is better. If you like the wazzoo looks the in dash is the way to go. If you like the sense of security, lock out protection, Lo-jack and the other stuff OnStar gives you it is the way to go.
Both Nav systems work pretty well. The OnStar is safer and simpler because you just push a buton an your steering wheel and tell the person where you want to go. They download the latest map info into your car and off you go. The indash requires you to buy new map data if you want the latest roads. Both give the same prompts and visual info.
Couldn't they do with OnStar what other car companies do with satellite radio, give you a choice when you buy/order the car. That way if you have Sprint then your Onstar will work with your Sprint number, if you have Cingular etc.
Everyone has compromises they are willing to make when buying a car, this is just one that I won't.
Interesting, which companies give you a choice on sat radio?
As far as what car companies offer a choice of sat radio, when I bought my Passat last year I had a choice of Sirius or XM. All that was required was to put in a different module at the factory. I don't consider VW a luxury brand either.
You're right, bluetooth should be an option: it's expected for vehicles in this price range. There's nothing wrong with Onstar, but I use Alltel wireless and am not about to go and get a Verizon account, and am certainly not going to pay inflated prices for Onstar minutes. And the whole peace of mind thing is just a gimmick: who locks themselves out of a car with key remotes these days? And the airbag notification? Odds are that you'll get into an accident where there will be many other cars around, so people can call in for help. As well, the electrical/GPS still have to function after the accident.
So for about $420, I can buy one of those Garmin Nuvi NAV systems that already have bluetooth included in the unit. Problem solved!
Misinformation.
You do not have to add the verizon service. OnStar phone works w/o the Verizon.
It is $200/year for the safe and sound system which includes a phone number. You do have to buy the minutes which are not the cheapest around. But you do not have to buy the phone system and the first year of OnStar is free.
The Verizon part works if you want a family plan and go under ne Verizon bill. I do not have one but you can add multiple phones/phone numbers on one bill with a cheap calling plan. So if you know you are going to have 300 minutes of phone calls on all your phones you pick that plan. Like all the family plan phones, it is $10/month.
http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/plans/safe_sound.jsp
Use OnStar Hands-Free Calling for less than ever before, with Verizon Wireless plan pricing.
Make calls to other Verizon Wireless customers on both lines without using your plan minutes, plus get unlimited IN calling and unlimited night and weekend minutes.
Get one Verizon Wireless bill for all your calls.
Lots of people do.
And now you are playing the odds. I just read about a girl who went off the road and was in the woods for 2 days before someone saw her. One more day and she would have been dead. If she had OnStar it would have notified.
Wonder if the $200/year is worth it to her family.
As for locking yourself out: for this to happen you'd have to physically press the lock button inside the car, forget your remote inside the car, and shut the door. Not very likely. Most people tend to lock the car with the remote once they are out of the car.
As for your "safety" reasoning for getting Onstar (i.e. crashing into the woods), you're really reaching. Never mind the fact that most accidents happen on the road (not off-road, this based on some statistics I found for several States), but if the electrical system is damaged, or if you are indeed in the woods and in thick foliage, the GPS won't work and you won't be tracked.
So as an extra little gimmick, Onstar is fun. If I had money to throw around, I might even consider it, because even though I am sounding negative, it does have neat features.
I have ccumulated nearly $5000 of GM card dollars with nearly $100,000 purchases on my GM Card, and now GM will only allow me to redeem $1000 on a Buick Enclave. What a disappointment. Goodbye GM Card. Goodbye GM
Hellooooo Lexus.
I accumualted the $5000 in earnings toward a car in the last 3 years. Even on a Cadillac STS, I can only redeem $1000 With your card, I would still only be eligible to redeem $1500 on a $40K or $55K vehicle. So you think this O.K.? I think it is too restrictive. This is supposed to be a reward for using your GM Card. How is GM supposed to pay its pension costs if it doesn't reward its customers with synergy between its credit arm and its car sales? And what about Saab and Saturn? Aren't they GM products---GM Card doesn't recognize these brands. Time for somebody over there to wake up and realize previously loyal customers are walking. Their stingy policies equate to a Reverse Conquest" program
Waiting to see if they will come down 5k or so...
but ending up buying the acadia because the ride was nicer.
In my case it was the folks at the car wash...it came out and they parked it in the drying area...a few minute later they tried to get in to do the inside windows. "Sir, you car is locked, do you have a extra key or should we call PoP-A-Lock?" Wifes Envoy so I did not have an extra in my wallet. Called her at home and since we had recently renewed the service, had the info handy. Called On-Star for the first time and within a couple of minutes the lights flashed and doors were unlocked.
Yearly fee for the basic On-Star plan is $199+sales tax if applicable.
I'm still thinking about adding the Envoy to our Verizon plan. $10 a month for the additional phone. What you could do is when driving the On-Star equipped vehicle, forward your Verizon handset calls to the On-Star/Verizon number. That way you should get your call without having to give out the additional number.
Might be a pain in the rear and more trouble than it is worth except for those few times a year when you are traveling...not when you are near home and in and out of the vehicle for short trips.
You don't need to see photos of our Enclave. It's the ubiquitous Cocoa w/ cashmere interior! We did purposely order the 2nd row bench. IMHO, since it has the same comfort as the buckets, and includes a fold down armrest, and was a -$411 option, we wanted the possiblility of carrying another passenger.
So far, so good...
Jay
Yes, we ordered it on the first day GM accepted orders from Buick dealers, I think back in March. We got one of the first two alloted to our dealer and we ordered it exactly the way we wanted it. There is a four-digit code your dealer should receive when you place your order that indicates where in the process your Enclave is, i.e. order accepted, being built, being shipped, etc. I understand there's a delay if you go for the white exterior.
Jay
Ditto for 2nd row bench as opposed to having captains chairs. I haven't researched this, but I would think NHTSA or some other agency wouldn't let you advertise/market/sell a vehicle that didn't have a headrest at a seating position.
Isn't that a law and why you have them at the other positions? Maybe I'm wrong, but something seems outta whack here :confuse:
metmdx
My suggestion, get the rear parking assist because you can't see squat out the back of the thing. To me that is the onlt shortcoming of the vehicle. I have heard that some people have trouble with seeing cars on the side of the vehicle. An easy fix to that is making sure your mirriors are looking in the right places. For a sedan, the rear door handle should be in the lower-inside corner of the mirror. Fof the Outlook, it should be in the inside-middle part of the mirror. Looking more down than back.