Am I corret in saying that lumbda's powertrain coverage is 5 years or 100k miles, whichever comes first? Hubby and I will probably only drive 10k/yr. So by the time standard warranty expires, maybe none of the serious powertrain problems will have surfaced.
Yes, it is 5 yr. /100k miles. For those that don't do a lot of driving, it's perfect. IF...the vehicle is maintained properly, you can avoid a lot of potential problems. Not to say you can completely avoid them, but preventive maintenance helps a great deal.
"Hummmmm. Brand new high tech 6 speed auto is not going to be repaired for domestic bottom dollar price." in 5-6 years /100,000 miles from now it won't be high tech anymore it will be every day repair. It cost my grand daddy a weeks pay for a new suit it cost my daddy a weeks pay for a new suit and it cost me a weeks pay for a new suit... things don't change that much despite what they try to sell us.
I am not trying to convince you or anyone else not to buy a warranty for many I mentioned it is a fit. Great discussion and I respect your perspective!
"It cost my grand daddy a weeks pay for a new suit it cost my daddy a weeks pay for a new suit and it cost me a weeks pay for a new suit..."
Either you need to change the suits you buy or get a better job that pays more! LOL
Purchasing a warranty is something everyone has to figure out for themselves if it fits their needs. Knowledge is power and knowing what is available and how it works is the best knowledge you can have when it comes to warranties. Don't just buy one because it sounds good, do a little research and find out what's behind it.
If you're the type to turn a car in after 2-3 years to trade in for something else, any extended warranty would be waste of money out of your pocket. If your the type, like me, that plans on buying a vehicle and keeping it until whenever...an extended warranty may be what you want. Just do some research and see what is being offered for the money and just exactly what it does cover.
Are you saying that you only paid $500 for an extended warrenty? If so, then i concur with your reasoning. Anything around $1000+ is not worth it in my opinion.
I am having a similar problem that makes me think something is going on at the factory. I live in Southern Cali so there is a number of dealers near by and not one of them are open to ordering a car from the factory. I keep getting the run-around with reasons like you can't order from the factory, you can only get the car in certain ways. I called customer service at Saturn and was directed to someone I could barely understand. They said I could order from the factory but the dealer says I can't, who is right. I am only trying to order a car from the Saturn build your own website. Can someone please help as I am getting to the point that I am just going to buy another vehicle.
Nope...quoted prices from gmoutlet dot com would run about $1100 - $1400. What I was saying was that if used for a couple of repair that save $500 - $700 over the life of the warranty, the net cost might only be $500 - $600 after the savings. Not ready to purchase a new vehicle at this time, but I would have to take a close look to see if I would do the extended warranty. Power Train warranty does protect you some from Tranny and engine problems, but looking at them you are still at 'risk' for computer, power accessories, NAV, DVD, etc. I would think the more loaded your ride is with the toys, the more you might want the extended warranty.
One thing I noticed yesterday while looking at the Buick site...it looks as if the Enclave has 12K miles & 12 month additional bumper to bumper warranty. So, if it is about the same pricing as an Acadia or Outlook with the same equipment, it might be a better deal, assuming the buyer likes all about the same.
Spoke to the dealer guy and he said that the car is built and is on the slow boat from Lansing. Probably another 2 weeks. I am pretty excited because this will be, by far, the nicest vehicle we have ever owned. But I have enjoyed not making car payments.
BTW: May 15 was the 2 month anniversary of us ordering it.
Yes, it is 5 yr. /100k miles. For those that don't do a lot of driving, it's perfect.
Actually the opposite. If you drive a lot of miles(20k/year) and sell every 5 years (80% of new cars are sold before 5 years) the warranty works out great. The other guys will be up in 3 years of you drive that much which many do.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. 20K a year to me isn't a lot, I've been known to put 50K on a car in 1 year. I traded my Sonata in almost exactly 4 years after buying it with 105K miles on it. My current car has 30K miles on it in the first year and really...that's a low number for my cars.
What do you mean by, "The other guys will be up in 3 years if you drive that much which many do."???
Yeah...Dodge and Ford really need to jump on board. Not to mention some of the other makes. They all brag about how dependable their cars are, but you don't see them jumping out there and backing them with a long warranty like GM, Hyundai, Mitusbishi, etc...
Right now the best thing going is the BMW free maintenance for 4 years. A friend of mine told me that EVERYTHING is covered except for any oil changes you get in between the 15K mile intervals as stated in the owner's manual. I wonder if any of the domestic or non-Euro imports will try that one?
The vendor can put anything he likes on his website but the dealer will not honor it if he doesn't want to. My Buick,GMC dealer will only accept a GM service contract. Furthermore, why buy a service contract when you first buy the car. You have up to the time that the original warranty expires, which can be several years.
But...the price of BMW's hasn't gone up significantly.
How do you figure that GM reduced their incentives? Those change all the time. A long warranty doesn't have to cost a company much at all if they are producing quality products.
Happy to hear that your car is on its way. Given the high demand and care they are taking at Lansing to do things right I don't think they were intentionally jerking you around.
I think you will really enjoy this vehicle. I only have 250 miles on my Acadia and so far can find no problems. If you talk to your salesman real nice before the car arrives you might be able to get him to throw in a set of 1st and 2nd row winter floor mats (costs more from GM than you would expect) or some other accessory you might want as good will for the difficulties. I had a great dealer experience and got the floor mats as part of the overall deal.
A long warranty doesn't have to cost a company much at all if they are producing quality products.
Unless the vehicle has perfect warranty (and nobody does) things will break and it will not be free. Why doesn't Lexus, the highest quality producer offer the 100k warranty if it was free?
How do you figure that GM reduced their incentives?
Incentives at GM are way down from last year. thousands. MSRP's have also been lowered.
Lexus is a Toyota brand...need I say more? Toyota has always felt no need to back their products with a long warranty. However, get repair work done after it's out of warranty and see how your bank account looks. It doesn't matter, Toyota or Lexus brand will hit you over the head when it comes to cost of repairs.
Based on the article, GM's pricing isn't necessarily related directly to them offering the warranty they offer. In most cases, a vehicle will not have too many issues in the 5 year period the warranty is effective (providing mileage isn't the issue). The manufacturer is banking on this fact. Granted, there are a handful of vehicles that just seem to be problematic, but compared to the total number produced...it's a very small percentage. I'm sure they budget for it accordingly. Trust me, GM heads are not losing sleep over warranty covered repairs and what it's costing the company.
The lack of incentives is to close the gap between MSRP and pocket price, the manufacturer is trying to make more on each vehicle so that they can pad their wallets with bigger executive compensations packages while they lay off the the workers. It boils down to American greed.
"Traditionally, for whatever reasons, DaimlerChrysler has always paid out the highest percentage of its automotive revenue for warranty claims, while Toyota Motor Corp. has always paid out the least. Honda Motor Co. Ltd. has always been close to Toyota's claims rate, while GM and Ford have always been close to each other."
They sure are stretching the data to get some kind of analysis result! That data is for world wide and so many variables my head spins at the assumptions that must be made.
BUT GM's curve is going down and will continue to decrease as the newer, higher quality vehicles are brought in.
What is amazing is how bad Mercedes is doing. Too bad the data does not go back 10 years.
Makes me wonder if Toyota's pay out on warranty claims is directly related to the fact that their warranty is 3yr/36K miles. I mean...MOST folks won't have an issue with a Toyota in that time frame.
Which is exactly my point. By offering a warranty that is 5 yr/100K miles or 10 yr/100K miles, the company is forced to produce a higher quality product or be forced to take a serious loss. If a company knows they are going to be repairing cars regularly under warranty and losing money...why offer a long warranty?
Once a Toyota or Lexus is beyond it's warranty range, repairs that are done aren't classified as warranty issues. I bet you if Toyota extended their warranty to match that of GM or Hyundai...there would be an increase in their numbers. I don't think they have the cahones to expose themselves like that.
Makes me wonder if Toyota's pay out on warranty claims is directly related to the fact that their warranty is 3yr/36K miles. I mean...MOST folks won't have an issue with a Toyota in that time frame.
In fact most makes will not have a problem in that time. Well, actually it is 2 problems per car but most will not be warranty issues.
The only way the issue wouldn't be covered by warranty is gross negligence or a totalled vehicle! LOL
This is exactly why Toyota's numbers are so low. I guarantee you if they extended their warranty numbers...they would look like the rest, but maybe slightly better.
You haven't been over to the 07 Camry forum have you. Those people are crying crocodile tears with their hesitation problems which Toyota claims isn't there even though they have had a recall for it that they claim has fixed it (it hasn't) replacing parts including whole new trannys after the buyer jumps through hoops throws a fit and talks lemon and the jury is still out on whether that even fixes the problem. Oh don't forget the squeaky dash that there is no problem and Toyota says there is nothing wrong so the buyers are stuffing rubber weather stripping between the windshield and dash which seems to help or fix the problem. Oh the consoles that also rattle and the list goes on. Oh and don't forget the models that they have held back between 6 months and a year to further fix bugs after all the fuss on the Camry and Lexuses. At least GM stepped up to the plate and promised a fix for their hesitation and outside of a few early cars I haven't heard anymore. Do you suppose GM did what the great Toyota can't do. There going to find out its tough being on top as GM did. Don't sound like they are doing a whole lot better at mass producing cars at a fast pase to keep up with demand.
If American cars now are so bad, how come there's so many '70's & '80's & '90's Chevys & Olds' & Fords, etc. around. I don't see any Toyota Corona's, or Datsuns, etc. on the road.
You can see my earlier review and notes on the Outlook. This is my first GM car ever (23 cars!). I am very impressed with the quality of the Outlook. So far it is as good as any other car I've owed.
Not 100% true. somewhere in the 80's and early 90's, Japanese steel was lower quality. I think it had less chromium in it, which caused it to rust much easier. My uncle had a Toyota pickup. The bed rusted away and the cab rusted noticably less. The bed was made in Japan and shipped to the US for assembly.
I agree however if we got rid of the salt rust issues would go down significantly.
Because there's a higher demand for cars that DIYers can fix themselves. You see them because they are what some folks can afford and still be able to have a car that can move a family around. Trust me, it's not because the cars are great, it's because they are cheap to own and most backyard mechanics can fix them.
The real question is, what shape are those Chevys, Olds and Fords from the 70's? There's plenty of foreign cars still on the road from the 80's and 90's...PLENTY!!!
Actually, folks just need to put more effort into cleaning their vehicles and actually applying wax to them. That is how you combat rust. Not to mention, if you should have a fender bender, actually use the insurance money to get it repaired instead of spending it somewhere else. Usually, if you have a dent, the paint will crack and/or chip along the crease and you leave the metal open to rust. There is so much that owners CAN do to avoid rust...we've just gotten lazy!
I sat in a Camry with white leather the other day that a friend's brother had in the driveway. Things didn't fit on the console! Other things weren't impressive at allabout the interior, including the leather that the brother thought was so fantastic.
Being from N.Y., I didn't realize that it snowed in Southern California, Arizona, Nevada...and American cars are just immune to rust...because they're made here?
I am really likeing what the Acadia has to offer except the price. I am looking for leather, HID, sunroof and Nav. Looks to be over 40K. Seems about 5k too much.
Wonder how the highlander will price out...The Pilot seems to offer a significantly lower price also.
All though I see my local dealers here in Seattle have sale prices that are 2k off MSRP before conquest cash etc...
Any one think the price will come down? Pretty unlikely I know...
Any one think the price will come down? Pretty unlikely I know...
I think prices will likely stay the same, but the incentives might get better:
(1) Gas prices are creeping higher and higher, (2) I believe that the 2008 mpg numbers will use the "new" mpg measurements, while the 2007 numbers use the "old" system. This will likely mean published mpg will be lower.
So maybe people will again think twice about a SUV, which might mean better incentives.
I am looking for leather, HID, sunroof and Nav. Looks to be over 40K. Seems about 5k too much.
That is what I came up with, with exactly those options, both the Acadia and Outlook go over $40K, and for that price, the Acura MDX could be a better buy.
Wonder how the highlander will price out...The Pilot seems to offer a significantly lower price also.
I am waiting for the highlander pricing, too. The Pilot does not offer HID lights, and has smaller wheels (16") compared to all lambdas and MDX. If you are interested in space, the Pilot is good (seats 8 adults), and the shift lever is mounted on the steering column - more space! Now, I priced the Buick Enclave to be about $36K, using the CXL model and 2 packages (I didn't pick the sunroof, so may be it will be $37.3K for you). Check out if that one works for you.
Any one think the price will come down?
Price of gasoline - No. Price of the vehicle - I think so. The lambdas are new, and the MDX sales are slow (read in one of the threads). Higher gas price will slow down the sales - meaning more bargaining power for an SUV purchase.
I hae an acadia slt-1 and I can't seem to get the vent control to work. I want to get some fresh air into the car but it seems to turn on the fan when I select it. The way I understand it...its on the passenger side of the electronic climate control. Suggestions?
Based on discussions here and one viewing of an Enclave I went to the local dealer to place an order and was quoted a delivery time of 6 to 12 weeks or maybe more. What is the experience of this group for Enclave factory orders? BTW the dealer is in a small South Carolina town.
I do not have any experience with teh Enclave, but I have been waiting since March 15 for my Outlook. I think the 12 weeks is a more realistic timeline.
I got a call from my local dealership (#1 Cochran in Pittsburgh) on Friday, they got two Enclaves in. I went Saturday AM to test drive it. It was very quite - with lots of nice toys.
I am having a hard time remembering prior test drives that happened a few weeks ago, but I do think that the Mazda CX9 ride was smoother. I can;t exactly put my finger on it, it just didn't feel as smooth of a ride. Plus the CX9 has bluetooth and smartkey.
But the GMC/Buick dealership is 5-minutes from my house, while the Mazda dealership is 30-40 minutes away, and I really like the 2nd row captains chairs of the Acadia/Enclave better than the 2nd row bench of the CX9 - easier to get to the 3rd row, and generally just feels more open when sitting int he 3rd row.
If they are so close, go with your gut. They are both fine vehicles. Or, you can't go wrong with getting the one your wife/significant other likes the best. Mmmmmmm... Brownie points... :shades:
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in 5-6 years /100,000 miles from now it won't be high tech anymore it will be every day repair.
It cost my grand daddy a weeks pay for a new suit it cost my daddy a weeks pay for a new suit and it cost me a weeks pay for a new suit... things don't change that much despite what they try to sell us.
I am not trying to convince you or anyone else not to buy a warranty for many I mentioned it is a fit.
Great discussion and I respect your perspective!
Either you need to change the suits you buy or get a better job that pays more! LOL
Purchasing a warranty is something everyone has to figure out for themselves if it fits their needs. Knowledge is power and knowing what is available and how it works is the best knowledge you can have when it comes to warranties. Don't just buy one because it sounds good, do a little research and find out what's behind it.
If you're the type to turn a car in after 2-3 years to trade in for something else, any extended warranty would be waste of money out of your pocket. If your the type, like me, that plans on buying a vehicle and keeping it until whenever...an extended warranty may be what you want. Just do some research and see what is being offered for the money and just exactly what it does cover.
Are you saying that you only paid $500 for an extended warrenty? If so, then i concur with your reasoning. Anything around $1000+ is not worth it in my opinion.
One thing I noticed yesterday while looking at the Buick site...it looks as if the Enclave has 12K miles & 12 month additional bumper to bumper warranty. So, if it is about the same pricing as an Acadia or Outlook with the same equipment, it might be a better deal, assuming the buyer likes all about the same.
BTW: May 15 was the 2 month anniversary of us ordering it.
Actually the opposite. If you drive a lot of miles(20k/year) and sell every 5 years (80% of new cars are sold before 5 years) the warranty works out great. The other guys will be up in 3 years of you drive that much which many do.
What do you mean by, "The other guys will be up in 3 years if you drive that much which many do."???
I think 15k is about average today per year.
Right now the best thing going is the BMW free maintenance for 4 years. A friend of mine told me that EVERYTHING is covered except for any oil changes you get in between the 15K mile intervals as stated in the owner's manual. I wonder if any of the domestic or non-Euro imports will try that one?
Furthermore, why buy a service contract when you first buy the car. You have up to the time that the original warranty expires, which can be several years.
GM did not raise the price of their cars with the new warranty but they did reduce incentives to make up for the cost.
How do you figure that GM reduced their incentives? Those change all the time. A long warranty doesn't have to cost a company much at all if they are producing quality products.
I think you will really enjoy this vehicle. I only have 250 miles on my Acadia and so far can find no problems. If you talk to your salesman real nice before the car arrives you might be able to get him to throw in a set of 1st and 2nd row winter floor mats (costs more from GM than you would expect) or some other accessory you might want as good will for the difficulties. I had a great dealer experience and got the floor mats as part of the overall deal.
Unless the vehicle has perfect warranty (and nobody does) things will break and it will not be free. Why doesn't Lexus, the highest quality producer offer the 100k warranty if it was free?
How do you figure that GM reduced their incentives?
Incentives at GM are way down from last year. thousands. MSRP's have also been lowered.
http://www.wiglafjournal.com/Articles/2006/06-12-PriceWaterfall.htm
Lexus is a Toyota brand...need I say more? Toyota has always felt no need to back their products with a long warranty. However, get repair work done after it's out of warranty and see how your bank account looks. It doesn't matter, Toyota or Lexus brand will hit you over the head when it comes to cost of repairs.
Based on the article, GM's pricing isn't necessarily related directly to them offering the warranty they offer. In most cases, a vehicle will not have too many issues in the 5 year period the warranty is effective (providing mileage isn't the issue). The manufacturer is banking on this fact. Granted, there are a handful of vehicles that just seem to be problematic, but compared to the total number produced...it's a very small percentage. I'm sure they budget for it accordingly. Trust me, GM heads are not losing sleep over warranty covered repairs and what it's costing the company.
The lack of incentives is to close the gap between MSRP and pocket price, the manufacturer is trying to make more on each vehicle so that they can pad their wallets with bigger executive compensations packages while they lay off the the workers. It boils down to American greed.
Warranty Claims Rates of the Big Five
"GM now spends 2.6% of its auto sales revenue fixing vehicles under warranty. Ford spends 2.9%." (Warranty Week for 5-17-07)
BUT GM's curve is going down and will continue to decrease as the newer, higher quality vehicles are brought in.
What is amazing is how bad Mercedes is doing. Too bad the data does not go back 10 years.
Once a Toyota or Lexus is beyond it's warranty range, repairs that are done aren't classified as warranty issues. I bet you if Toyota extended their warranty to match that of GM or Hyundai...there would be an increase in their numbers. I don't think they have the cahones to expose themselves like that.
In fact most makes will not have a problem in that time. Well, actually it is 2 problems per car but most will not be warranty issues.
This is exactly why Toyota's numbers are so low. I guarantee you if they extended their warranty numbers...they would look like the rest, but maybe slightly better.
I meant the complaint rate is 2 issues per car but not all would be worth taking in for warranty even if free.
But that is not their fault. Blame the dumb americans for using salt on the roads.
GM got this one right (so far).
I agree however if we got rid of the salt rust issues would go down significantly.
The real question is, what shape are those Chevys, Olds and Fords from the 70's? There's plenty of foreign cars still on the road from the 80's and 90's...PLENTY!!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Yes, they are pretty much immune to rust.
two sided galvanized for many years. Started with inside only then went two sided. Takes a good scratch to get thru the coating.
No it's the dumb americans who buy the foreign junk that have the problem. Not the smart americans who buy american. :shades:
Wonder how the highlander will price out...The Pilot seems to offer a significantly lower price also.
All though I see my local dealers here in Seattle have sale prices that are 2k off MSRP before conquest cash etc...
Any one think the price will come down? Pretty unlikely I know...
I think prices will likely stay the same, but the incentives might get better:
(1) Gas prices are creeping higher and higher,
(2) I believe that the 2008 mpg numbers will use the "new" mpg measurements, while the 2007 numbers use the "old" system. This will likely mean published mpg will be lower.
So maybe people will again think twice about a SUV, which might mean better incentives.
That is what I came up with, with exactly those options, both the Acadia and Outlook go over $40K, and for that price, the Acura MDX could be a better buy.
Wonder how the highlander will price out...The Pilot seems to offer a significantly lower price also.
I am waiting for the highlander pricing, too. The Pilot does not offer HID lights, and has smaller wheels (16") compared to all lambdas and MDX. If you are interested in space, the Pilot is good (seats 8 adults), and the shift lever is mounted on the steering column - more space! Now, I priced the Buick Enclave to be about $36K, using the CXL model and 2 packages (I didn't pick the sunroof, so may be it will be $37.3K for you). Check out if that one works for you.
Any one think the price will come down?
Price of gasoline - No. Price of the vehicle - I think so. The lambdas are new, and the MDX sales are slow (read in one of the threads). Higher gas price will slow down the sales - meaning more bargaining power for an SUV purchase.
Best wishes, - MS.
Suggestions?
I am having a hard time remembering prior test drives that happened a few weeks ago, but I do think that the Mazda CX9 ride was smoother. I can;t exactly put my finger on it, it just didn't feel as smooth of a ride. Plus the CX9 has bluetooth and smartkey.
But the GMC/Buick dealership is 5-minutes from my house, while the Mazda dealership is 30-40 minutes away, and I really like the 2nd row captains chairs of the Acadia/Enclave better than the 2nd row bench of the CX9 - easier to get to the 3rd row, and generally just feels more open when sitting int he 3rd row.
I am having a hard time choosing between the two.