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Government Motors - 188,011
Toyota - 186,863
Ford - 183,425
It’s important to note that March 2010 sales are to be compared to those from March of 2009 - about six months after the industry took a general nosedive as consumer spending dropped sharply. Naturally, many automakers have posted massively improved numbers on paper thanks to a particularly bad year last year.
So far, it’s a mixed bag, with the usual suspects checking in with both strong and weak showings; Ford and Toyota have mostly recuperated to 2008 levels. :shades:
Toyota is up for the quarter over last year by 8.7%, while Ford is up the first 3 months by 36.4% over last year. It looks like Ford has put Toyota well back into 3rd place in the US market for the YTD.
Anyone really believe that Toyota's UA is not hurting their sales?
Toyota Camry: 36,623
Toyota Corolla: 29,623
Honda Accord: 29,120 (2,587 Crosstours)
Toyota RAV4: 25,781
Nissan Altima: 24,649
Ford Fusion: 22,773
Chevrolet Silverado: 19,822
Ford Focus: 19,500
Ford Escape: 19,182
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Cold dishes for Chrysler make me happy
Toyota Japan sales booming despite recalls amid recovery in overall market
April 1st 2010, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Toyota Motor Corp. sales in Japan totalled 204,514 vehicles, up from 135,700 the same month last year, for the eighth straight month of on-year rise, the Japan Automobile Dealers Association said Thursday.
Japan's auto sales have been recovering, with sales jumping 10 per cent in the year ending in March from the same period a year earlier to 3.2 million vehicles, according to the group. It said that was the first year-on-year increase in seven years.
Sales have gotten a lift from government tax breaks and incentives for fuel-efficient vehicles, helping a recovery from a sharp slowdown the past year.
Overnight, Toyota Group Vice-President Bob Carter told The Associated Press that Toyota's U.S. sales surged 40 per cent in March, as the automaker offered its biggest incentives ever, including zero-per cent financing on models that previously were subject to recalls, low-priced
Chrysler = The Lost Cause
I wouldn't get a Chrysler product if it was the only car maker left on this whole planet. I'd rather be a bum and walk everywhere!
My 98 Altima was hit from behind at a red light by an old 70's American car in 03. The guy's bumper was only slightly dented while my car suffered a cracked bumper cover, cracked absorbing element(a large plastic honey comb piece behind the bumper cover), a broken tail light and dented trunk cover and a bunch of small parts they mentioned on the estimate. My point is it depends on what kind/size vehicle your daughter hit. A smaller car like a corolla would definitely suffer more damage if it hit a larger car, truck, or SUV. With all this damage to my 98 Altima, the highest estimate to repair the car was $1850(the lowest was $1500). So $6000 seems like quite a bit of damage to a vehicle.
You may be able to find another Toyota dealership that may honor the repair of the busted timing chain. I would think this would be a cheaper alternative than hiring a lawyer.
Toyota would definitely be wrong not to cover the repair if the car was not involved in an accident. However, a front end collision like the one your daughter was in might change the whole equation.
1) GM: 188,546
2) Toyota: 186,863
3) Ford: 183,783
4) Honda: 108,262
5) Nissan: 95,468
6) Chrysler: 92,623
Mid-Size Sedans for March 2010
1) Toyota Camry: 36,251
2) Honda Accord: 29,120
3) Nissan Altima: 24,649
4) Ford Fusion: 22,773
5) Hyundai Sonata: 18,935
6) Chevrolet Malibu: 17,750
Entry-Level Luxury Sedans for March 2010
1) BMW 3-Series: 9,413
2) Mercedes C-Class: 6,006
3) Infiniti G Sedan: 4,021
4) Acura TL: 3,917
5) Lexus ES350: 3,860
6) Audi A4: 3,058
7) Cadillac CTS: 2,870
8) Lincoln MKZ: 2,456
I don't know about the rest of you, but I think with these numbers, Toyota IS on the mend for 2010!
The industry was up 24% but Toyota was up 41% for the month, so they outpaced the industry by a wide margin.
And remember, the other big players had huge incentives, too - Automotive News says "industry averaged $2,910 per vehicle" per JD Powers numbers, or $2,742 per Edmunds (they don't include cash that automakers give dealers for meeting sales volume objectives).
No matter which source you trust, that number is huge.
Source:
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100401/RETAIL01/100409982/1- 401
AN headline reads:
DAILY: Lexus surges in March, passes Mercedes in '10 U.S. luxury race
Interesting word choice.
Yaris and Scion are built in Japan = much lower profit for Toyota = less discounting AND less imported for sale in the U.S. vs the virtually unlimited supply of Corollas and Camrys.
They DID offer the same 0% financing on Yaris as on the larger cars though.
On a side note, the last Corolla rolled off the line at NUMMI yesterday. It was red, and will be shipped to the Toyota museum in Japan. NUMMI is now closed for business, and 4700 people are wondering tonight where their next job will be....
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It is getting a bit long in the tooth. GM opened the factory in 1962. Closed it in 1982 and re-opened with Toyota in 1984. I would say it is time to tear it down and build a foot ball stadium or some such nonsense. :sick:
Fremont could take it over and make it the World's largest indoor Flea Market. The options are endless. Similar to closing a military base. Happens all the time. I do not blame Toyota for closing down. Toyota has a glut of manufacturing facilities in the USA.
Rank Company YTD 2010 % change Market share
1 General Motors 475,861 16% 18.7%
2 Ford Motor Co. 441,708 37% 17.4%
3 Toyota 385,686 7% 15.1%
4 Honda (American) 256,412 11% 10.1%
5 Chrysler Group LLC 234,215 -5% 9.2%
6 Nissan 228,229 31% 9.0%
7 Hyundai Group 188,205 14% 7.4%
8 VW 79,909 37% 3.1%
9 Subaru 57,494 38% 2.3%
10 Mazda 55,941 4% 2.2%
11 BMW Group 55,129 7% 2.2%
12 Daimler AG 51,996 15% 2.0%
13 Mitsubishi 13,623 -2% 0.5%
14 Jaguar Land Rover 9,091 6% 0.4%
15 Suzuki 5,661 -63% 0.2%
16 Porsche 5,222 6% 0.2%
17 Other (estimate) 882 -4% 0.0%
18 Maserati 394 44% 0.0%
19 Saab Spyker 133 0.0%
20 Isuzu -100% 0.0%
TOTAL 2,545,791 15%
Note that the GM and Ford's YTD growth are both higher than the market average (15%); while Toyota and Honda are both lower than market average.
In Mar, even with desperate incentives, Toyota' growth (40%) is still behind GM and Ford's 43% each (core brands). Let's see how long Toyota's incentives can last and what happens after that.
The Big question? Can Toyota regain the market share they have lost in 2010? The don't have much new to offer. And are still being scrutinized closely by the US Consumers.
With 20% unemployed or under employed the bargain hunters will be the major consumers.
If you can feel the problem during the test drive, there's no reason to complain about it later.
I'd keep complaining and in fact I'd contact the local media, such as the TV group that loves to take innocent-looking consumer faces in front of a camera and tell their story. It's even more effective if children or pets can be worked into the story to make it appeal to even more viewers on the evening news. Offer to let their consumer expert (usually a talking head) take the car onto a rough road and apply the brakes with the cameraman in the car along with the TV driver. Be sure to have the young folk involved. I am dead serious about contacting the local stations.
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Don't let the fanboys rattle you. You are not alone with the 2010 Prius issues. Get a hold of the people at CBS that did the first story. Have them do a follow up after the so called fix. Don't let the NHTSA off the hook either. I would get my Congressman involved as well. Toyota has a few people buffaloed with their cover ups and trying to discredit anyone that has a problem. I would turn that dealer into the BBB as well. In many states you are eligible for the Lemon Law after that many times. Document every visit, time and date. Make the dealer give you paperwork showing your visit. That kind of dealer attitude is worthy of a lawsuit.
Keep us posted.
I had a Lexus as a daily driver, but changed it to Subaru and never been more happy than now.
Oh, how melodramatic. Nice spin, but explorerx4 got it right the first time when he said "to me it says the playing field is pretty level."
If you don't agree, please provide hard numbers on how much Toyota is spending to justify the silly "desperate" comment.
Really?
Source? Show us, please.
I seriously doubt that. They were careful even in the Sikes case not to attack.
Embellishing a bit, perhaps?
From Automotive News:
GM incentives ranked fourth-highest, Docherty said, behind Ford Motor Co., Chrysler Group and "an import competitor." That import automaker was Nissan North America, said two sources who have seen the incentives numbers. J.D. Power's incentive measure is proprietary and not shared with the public.
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100401/RETAIL01/100409982/1- 401#ixzz0kEY0wOts
The industry average was $2910 per vehicle.
The top 3 highest incentives came from Ford, Chrysler, and Nissan. Those are the desperate ones.
GM was 4th.
So Toyota wasn't even in the top 4 in terms of incentives per vehicle. Before anyone jumps and says they were 5th, use a SOURCE please.
Who was desperate? Nissan, Chrysler, and Ford.
You guys have to stop making this stuff up. It's just dishonest.
They already have a recall for this issue. Just let them address it when they get the software fixed.
Until then, as long as you are not tailgating someone when you are trying to stop on top of a pothole, you are fine.
It's silly to think otherwise. They'd have nothing to gain from that.
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That's the nature of this format. It lends itself to doubt and disbelief.
The funny thing is the Toyota side is often accused of bias and called names like "Toyota faithful", yet when pushed I showed that it was the "Toyota haters" who were jumping to conclusions.
Now they're making stuff up about "desperate" incentives when in fact Ford, GM, and Chrysler are all using even more incentives.
Maybe Toyota should offer bigger incentives to match the "desperate" domestics?
Chrysler lost 8% of sales in March, and they're in the top 3. I'd say they are the truly desperate ones.
Ford and GM put more cash on the hood per car than Toyota did, and grew slightly more in Q1, but how would they have done with the same or fewer incentives? :P
GM may have spent $3,519 spent per vehicle.
Who's desperate again?
If that is true, why don't the dealers tell the customers the truth? Why do they continue to act like Toyota is perfect and the customers are just whiners?
I have experienced that treatment with only one Chevy dealer over a 5 vehicle span. Ironically it was Bob Baker Chevrolet. Right next door to Bob Baker Lexus. The same Lexus dealer that is in hot water over the Saylor crash. I took my PU in because the AC was making a rattling noise I did not like. They gave me the old "that is the way the all are". I took it to Bob Stall Chevrolet and they replaced the AC compressor under warranty. So there are good and bad in all dealerships. Overall I give Toyota dealers I have been involved with a "D".
They have franchise rules and agreements, but ultimately the business is owned by Mr. Baker, not the auto manufacturers.
The real test is the profit or loss for the quarter. Has Toyota posted earnings yet?
Which part did you doubt? The part about the brakes recall?
2010 Prius Brake Recall
FAQs About the 2010 Prius Voluntary Recalls
1. What is the problem with the 2010 Prius?
The anti-lock brake system (ABS) in the 2010 model-year Prius, in normal operation, engages and disengages rapidly (many times per second) as the control system senses and reacts to tire slippage. Some owners have reported experiencing inconsistent brake feel during slow and steady application of the brakes on rough or slick road surfaces when the anti-lock brake system (ABS) is activated in an effort to maintain tire traction.
2. How is Toyota responding to this Prius issue?
Toyota has responded to owner concerns with a running production change for the 2010 Prius that was introduced last month, improving the ABS system’s response time, as well as the system’s overall sensitivity to tire slippage.
The recall will allow Toyota dealers to perform this software update in the anti-lock brake systems of 2010 Prius vehicles sold prior to this production change.
3. Why does this only impact 2010 Prius models?
First- and second-generation Prius vehicles use a different ABS system and are not involved in this campaign.
4. How many vehicles are impacted?
This recall involves approximately 133,000 2010 model year Prius vehicles.
5. What should 2010 Prius customers do if they experience this braking issue?
If a Prius owner were to experience this condition, pressing hard on the brake pedal will stop the vehicle safely.
6. Are these vehicles safe to drive until they get their update?
The vehicles are safe to drive because pressing hard on the brake pedal will stop the vehicle.
7. When can I get my vehicle fixed?
Toyota will begin sending letters to Prius owners included in this recall by mail next week to let them know when to bring their vehicles into a dealership. Owners will only receive a letter if their vehicle is involved in the recall.
8. How long will it take for a dealer to repair my vehicle?
The software update should only take approximately 30 minutes to install, depending on technician workflow.
9. Is the repair covered by warranty? Will drivers have to pay any money out of pocket for this work?
Toyota will cover all repair costs associated with this work.
10. Is this recall related to the ongoing Toyota recalls associated with sudden unintended acceleration?
No, this recall is unrelated to the ongoing recall of Toyota vehicles for sticking gas pedals and floor mat entrapment issues.
As to your rhetorical question, " why don't the dealers tell the customers the truth?" I think we all know that answer.