By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our
Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our
Visitor Agreement.
Comments
But that makes her complaint on this forum even.....more a waste of time.
If she took it in for the recall "fix" and it got worse, HMMM, what to do? HHMMM....
OH YEAH, HOW ABOUT TAKING IT BACK AND INSISTING ON A CORRECT FIX !!!
They may be selling enough cars. They are not taking care of the customers they have.
Now this is truly a sad post. I pray our society hasn't come down to this point of thinking... :sick:
If it's a repeatable problem, take a tech on a test drive with you and SHOW THEM.
I REALLY have no patience for people saying, "I have a repeatable problem and the dealer won't help me."
JUST.
SHOW.
THEM.
I hope no one expected anything but more bloat and waste when the Government took over GM.
GM has its faithful just like Toyota. They would follow them into the Toilet. Quite Frankly I don't see anything on the market worth wasting my cash on right now. The only reason I cheer for Ford is my own greed tied to my 401k stock.
LMAO
So how should one interpret that statement?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
The question remains what to do when the dealer agrees with the symptom but states that all of their cars exhibit the same and that they don't consider it a safety issue. I can see how Toyota would win over a huge portion of new customers with that attitude.
What I state here doesn't really matter it's the results of the class action lawsuits that are pending from the Toyota owners who believe that they were called liars that really count.
If the car has a problem and is still under warranty, I first go to the dealer and they're pretty good at resolving it. I also buy the shop manual when I purchase a new car. I can catch them in a lie and they can't pull a fast one on me. I still have the shop manual and TSBs for my 1989 Cadillac Brougham.
No shouting required.
These incompetent driver issues were merely a speed bump.
If the car has a problem and is still under warranty, I first go to the dealer and they're pretty good at resolving it. I also buy the shop manual when I purchase a new car. I can catch them in a lie and they can't pull a fast one on me. I still have the shop manual and TSBs for my 1989 Cadillac Brougham.
Wow, I thought all your GM cars were flawless like my parents and families' Toyota's??
How would you know any kind of approach to fix a GM car? I don't think my Parents ever saw the inside of a Toyota service bay for over a decade.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
As for bashing Toyota, I believe a few people on this site does have things to gain by bashing Toyota(ex UAW or current UAW workers).Some people just like complaining in general.
I am sure I probably have GM/Ford/Toyota/Honda? stocks in my 403B plan(for hospital workers) also. I support car companies that I am happy with their products that I owned in the past or currently. Toyota is definitely one of the auto companies I like and support for the good/reliable products they produce. I would definitely buy another Toyota product today if I was in the market for another vehicle.
As for dealer attitudes, I have to admit, American car dealerships are generally more friendly and try to work with you more. Honda makes good reliable cars, but their dealerships/salespeople are not so good :mad: . The Honda dealerships near me think they are doing you a favor by selling you a Honda at or near MSRP.
Exactly. You got it exactly right. You hit the bullseye. You hit the nail on the head. :P
Just like Audi had to widen the distance between the gas pedal and brake pedal to deal with incompetent drivers, Toyota needed to tell driver's what they should have already known (don't let foreign objects get in the way of the driver's footwell). Maintain your vehicle and if the gas pedal is sticking have it fixed immediately.
Common sense and decency has been lost.
How convenient!
Make something up and put IIRC in front of it.
IIRC, you owe me 20 bucks! LOL!
Source please?
Incidentally, Toyota states on its website that "If Toyota determines that a defect exists and decides that the defect is 'related to motor vehicle safety,' per the Safety Act, the company will conduct a safety recall." [March 26 Statement Regarding Safety Recalls and Technical Service Bulletins] The same Statement also indicates that issues that are not safety-related issues (not defects) are addressed through Special Service Campaigns and TSBs. So the fact that Toyota is conducting multiple recalls rather than a SSC or TSB suggests to me that Toyota itself has admitted that its cars have multiple defects that can cause UA.
One final point: even before all of these issues came to light (and, in particular, before the Sikes incident on which you and others have seized), Toyota acknowledged in internal documents the existence of UA issues on which it was lobbying NHTSA in order to try to save $100 million. No discussion in any of those internal documents -- at least any that I've seen -- to suggest that Toyota at the time believed those issues to be the result of driver incompetence.
A lot of these little tidbits were leaks to the media that went unverified.
Wait a minute! You said your parents' cars never seen the inside of a TOYOTA service bay. I guess that means they already knew Toyota technicians are incompetent, corrupt, or both. Their 'Yotas probably spent frequent times at independent mechanics. Maybe they kept that a secret from you?
These are neither leaks nor unverified.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
They definitely stalled, probably themselves trying to figure out what was going on. The sad part is when NHTSA laughed at the Toyota guy who came to discuss the issue, so it seems like even NHTSA wasn't taking it seriously.
I think this is more incompetence than neglect. Especially to brag about it later. :sick:
FWIW the article also doesn't mention the floor mat in the Lexus ES was from the wrong model car, an important omission.
it does not come across as incompetence; it comes across as a deliberate decision to work on NHTSA to avoid having to call a recall. See p. 10 of 10 (p. 16 of the slide deck). Also see the previous page, acknowledging the existence of "sudden acceleration" as a "key safety issue" for "ES/Camry, Tacoma, LS, etc."
You have to wonder how they came up with that number $16,375,000? It should make it easier for those suing Toyota to get sizable court awards. I would expect State Farm, AAA and the other insurance companies to sue for the millions they have paid out on defective & unsafe Toyota's and Lexus vehicles. Any vehicle in an accident that came under the recall would be suspect having those defects.
And that's just for the "sticky pedals" not being reported in a timely manner. They don't even point out the coverup for years of the reported problems that were being reported to toyota-lexus and weren't being documented. They don't point out the twisting of descriptions so that it doesn't wave flags when it did get to NHTSA.
I can't wait to see what they get fined over the coverup for the 'real' computer problems when it finally gets to the light of day.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
"Knowingly hid a dangerous defect for months" and "did not take action to protect millions of drivers and their families." Pretty powerful stuff, and a clear distinction from the Audi situation that someone cited earlier. Regardless whether one thinks the government did not do enough before, one would hope this would put the lie to those who claim that Toy. is being unfairly criticized and that the fault rests entirely with incompetent drivers.
http://www.nlcnet.org/reports?id=0007#Toyota Linked to Human Trafficking
Toyota Linked to Human Trafficking
Anywhere from 70,519 to 93,000 foreign guest workers are trafficked to Japan each year. The guest workers, who come from China, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand and Brazil, are stripped of their passports the minute they arrive in Japan. During their first year, guest worker “trainees” are not covered by Japan’s labor or minimum wage laws. As guest workers are allowed to stay for up to three years, this means that at any given time there are at least 212,000 to 279,000 foreign guest workers in Japan—not including those who may have illegally overstayed their visas. The Japanese government is now considering extending the guest worker visas to five years.
Worst part is these foreign guest workers have to stay where they are assigned as else they risk deportation. Rent for their tiny apartments is very high, high interest rate loans to pay off their charges.
Toyota involvement in Burma and the Phillipines is equally shocking.
Seems like the United States had pressured Japan to correct these violations a few years ago, but practices still persist today in Japan, according to article.
Shocking, isn't it!
Back in 1960, Eiji Toyoda recognizing the Toyota's weakness embarked on a goal of total quality control (TQC). This culminated in Toyota being awarded the W. Edward Deming award for the most outstanding improvements in total quality control in 1965. It is unfortunate that the company today forgot what was the backbone of their success.
138 potential class-action lawsuits over falling vehicle values
nearly 100 personal injury and wrongful death cases in federal courts nationwide
The government has linked 52 deaths to crashes allegedly caused by accelerator problems in Toyotas.
(Toyota) has two weeks to accept or contest the ($16.375 million) penalty.
Do you suppose they will fight it? Could bring a lot of bad press if they do.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100406/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall
Oh yeah...
The sticking pedals involved 2.3 million vehicles.
Dealers have fixed 1.7 million vehicles under recall so far
Toyota Motor Corp. has recalled more than 6 million vehicles in the U.S., and more than 8 million worldwide, because of acceleration problems in multiple models and braking issues in the Prius hybrid.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
You should be worrying about your own back yard. Now that is truly shocking !!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
>Very similar to U.S. illegal immigration where we wink and look the other way in order to get cheap labor from Mexico
You need to contact your congressional "representatives" and your presidente about the illegals. I
>Very similar to U.S. illegal
I don't think it's similar: are the illegals in the US working assembling automobiles for export?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The fine isn't enough, whoever authored those slides should serve jail time.
With NHTSA laughing when Toyota reps approach them, we can't really trust them, either. :sick:
Nonsense. It's not even close. Keep reading on the subject, but find a more reliable web site for your source.
Slaves don't get to go home when they're ready to leave.
Economies of scale are similar for both makes, since volume is similar.
Remember, I listed the incentives per vehicle, and all GM vehicles count, even low volume ones.
The fine is tiny if you think about it.