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Rocky
Rocky
Anyway, Hyundai may be the next Windows, and Toyota the next Apple??? Well a very popular and profitable Apple, as it will likely maintain the overall dominance and sell more in the upper class cars, even when (if) Hyundai the "Window" becomes ever so popular for its value. The ones that could get terribly lost are the GM and Fords of this equation. They need to compete with STYLE. Go for the style and uniqueness.
-Loren
In reality it was IBM licensing their computers to be cloned that made computers less expensive and cause the near demise of Apple.
A rip-off of a user interface of Apple which runs on DOS, may be what some may call it.
Well Apple rip off the user interface from Xerox.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
Anyways back you your regually scheduled slugfest.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
Secondly I don't see how your heavier, slightly less powerful BMW can smoke the TL.
FWIW Its fun to smoke BMW's in my Caddy. :shades:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
As for a TL and 330 competition, given equally adept drivers, the better balance of the 330 is going to come through at speed. Any punter at the race track is going to take the BMW over the Acura.
FWIW Its fun to smoke BMW's in my Caddy.
Maybe not on a straight line, but definitely in the curves. Better front rear balance works every time.
The new Caddies are adept competition to BMW. No surprise there as they are also front engine rwd.
Definatly better on the straight line. 6 speed manual and a Corvette engine that baby moves. :shades:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Love that car. Big thumbs up.
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
On the road tracks, those Cadillac CTS-V would be winning even more races, if they did not have to take on the extra pounds to comply with the rules of the level playing field.
Acura, and well as some cheaper FWD cars, like the Celica, do handle well, and are fun to drive. They are not better than the RWD cars though. Or better said, I would prefer the RWD. There is no better when buying a car. It is simply what you like. After all, it is your money.
Hey, is Apple better than Windows? An old debate no doubt. I liked the price on Windows computers - now Apple is coming down in price. Always loved all the freeware people wrote to Windows - are people providing good quality freeware for Apple? Debate two - Linux vs. the world.
-Loren
FWD has come a long way. Many of the better examples, such as Acura and Saab have almost no torque steer at all. In almost every driving condition, FWD is as good as RWD.
At speed, however, front engine rear wheel drive offers balance, stability, and steering dynamics that FWD cars struggle to reach. I know a few are close, but if I'm going fast, I want RWD.
Hey, is Apple better than Windows? An old debate no doubt. I liked the price on Windows computers - now Apple is coming down in price. Always loved all the freeware people wrote to Windows - are people providing good quality freeware for Apple? Debate two - Linux vs. the world.
I've used Mac all my life. I have the new 20" Intel Imac. I think MacOSX is somewhat better than Microsoft, but not by a huge margin. A lot of my preference is probably just familiarity. The Mac hardware is hard to beat. My unit takes up very little space and has great definition. I use it as my DVD player, and with a Slim Server hooked up to my tube analogue amplifier, my CD player. The money I saved not buying a DVD and CD paid for the fancy Imac (obviously, I could have done the same with a Wintel, but it would not look as nice in the living room, so I probably would have put in the home office and bought a DVD and CD player)
I heard they are strapping on the Space Shuttle thrusters, though it could just be a rumor.
Why anyone would need more than the 3.6 V6 has power wise is beyond me. Possibly for race track. That race car, BTW, does sound nice indeed. Louder than the Corvettes. Saw the race car at Laguna Seca.
For the CTS:
What they should do is add the telescopic steering column, and lumbar support as standard for seats, the 3.6 V6 as standard and lower the price say to $28K, and I would be happy. If they keep the 2.8, then lower the price to $26K.
The V8 can have all the bells and whistles, leather seats, and fluffy stuff and sell for say $35K.
1.) Bragging rights.
2.) the look on the faces of those with V12 7 series BMWs that cost twice as much when you beat them out at the light. :P
But you're right the 3.6 V6 is plenty for everyday driving, and the same can be said for most cars out there. Do you really need the power that an AMG or an M car has either?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Unfortunately, it costs a lot of weight and fuel to carry that seldom-used reserve "just in case". Seems awfully wasteful to me. There must be a way to get a temporary boost for passing from a little 50mpg 4 banger. Get busy on that snakeweasel.
No reported plans to bring them to the U.S.
For most family sedans I would think that 200 HP would be on the low end of the acceptable range, high end would be maybe 250-275. 400 HP is just overkill.
There must be a way to get a temporary boost for passing from a little 50mpg 4 banger.
My daily drive is a 4 banger and taking it out of overdrive prior to making the pass makes a noticeable difference in acceleration. It gets those RPMs up closer to the range for maximum torque and HP.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
Either you are joking or you are nuts and I think its the latter.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061018/AUTO03/610180302
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky
If you check around, you may be surprised at how many Hyundai owners would have never considered buying one until they rented one. Many people that rent 06-07 Sonatas are quite surprised, and are willing to consider buying one based on the rental. A Hyundai executive made a remark that early on, the most important thing was to make the car visible. I guess that includes rentals.
Well actually Hyundai combined with Kia rental fleets accounts for 20% of their sales last time I checked.
No, the 06 Sonata was not moving off lots the way Hyundai wanted it too when it first came out attributing to some fleets sales. Yeah but in all fairness it did take time for buyers to get educated about the new Sonata. I do notice more 06 Sonata's that are sold at retail on the road than when it first came out.
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky
A deadly addition to the Toyota portfolio IMO. Looks like Toyota is picking up where GM left off as far as assets go (Subaru stake, now Isuzu). An Isuzu designed Diesel in something like an FJ or 4Runner would sell like crazy.
I would assume they could also apply it to Sequoia and both the pick-up trucks, 4Runner too, just in time for its next model changeover.
Camry production at SIA (Subaru's Indiana plant) is scheduled to begin early next year. Meantime, Hyundai is trying to figure out what to do with all the Sonatas it can produce at its new American plant that retail buyers don't want to buy. Currently, the answer has been to funnel something like 1/3 of them to rental fleets.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
"So as it appears Toyota, right now looks at Hyundai, as a pimple on their butt" :P
Rocky
So I would say Hyundai is still Rocky's "pimple" to Toyota, with less than 1/3 of its sales. But Honda oughtta watch out - Hyundai has half of Honda's sales now, and Honda only managed to grab a half point of U.S. market share this year, still just under 10% (of course Honda does that with no cash back to the customer ever, the highest resale in the biz, and better safety and reliability ratings)....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
On the other hand, worldwide, Hyundai/Kia is ahead of both Nissan and Honda for the 6th largest automaker spot in the world (this as of 12/31/05 - 06 figures should be released soon)
That will put Kia/Hyundai about 20 years behind American Honda which sold as many vehicles in 1986.
That said, I see it as a must have for any well-run business to not take *any* of its competition lightly.
The fact Hyundai/Kia sold more vehicles worldwide than Honda in 2005 (6th and 9th respectively) is not an indication one automaker is behind another either...
Global market is another issue. In fact, Suzuki overtook Honda in Japanese market recently, thanks to the Kei-segment car where Honda is (relatively speaking) a non-player. Speaking of which, Honda just took control of Yachiyo that specializes in Kei segment (and actually makes two Hondas sold in that class) to continue its focus on larger cars.
Steps like this will limit sales volume at global volume, but not necessarily in company's appeal or bottomline.