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Jeep Liberty Diesel Maintenance and Repair

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  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,801
    I realize that this is a really late response to your problem, but Daimler-Chrysler has recalled all model year Libertys for the ball joint issue. If you have your sales receipt, they might refund you your money,otherwise you are entitled to a new set of ball joints on their dime.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    jrpeterson75: What you got from DCX on your 2005, was no big deal, the 2005 came with a 7 year 70,000 warranty! There has to be something that causes the problems with the transmission, if the same thing keeps happening. You just might ask if they will replace your PCM and ECU. The 545RFE is a very reliable heavy duty transmission! There has to be a cause, and the dealer needs to find it, ASAP. If what you say is accurate then you might consider calling DCX at 1 800 992 1997 and press the last choice. Tell them you want to start a Lemon buy back, or replacement. Then call your Service manager tell him the same thing. Then call the General manager and tell him the same thing. This should get the ball rolling enough to either get it fixed right or get you out of it. Hope this helps.
    Is this your first diesel? I am amazed that DCX thought we could just jump in these CRD's and go. These CR's do need a lot more attention than a gas Liberty. It seems to me I am always learning more and seeing that these engines are real tough, but they need to be kept up in the right way.

    Farout
  • My relationship witk my CRD is a love-hate one.

    I love the design, enjoy the decent mileage, hate the frequent breakdowns and despise the fact my "5-star" dealer appears to be incapable of repairing anything the first, second, or third time. I will say when the guys from our sub in the UK come to visit they are impressed by a yankee with a diesel though (some joys there).

    According to the dealer, this came with a 3/36 warranty. Unfortunately for me, Illinois has nearly the weakest lemon laws in the USA and unless you have under 12k and are under 12 months since purchase, tough bananas. Bummer for a guy that drives 50k annually.

    Regardless, I learned one thing from this whole ordeal: its not so much the model or make you buy, but the dealer makes the difference. Never ever buy a vehicle from Jack Wolf Jeep in Belvidere, IL!!!!!!
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    Hello Host's Steve, tidesetter: This new layout for the Liberty Diesel sure busted a lot of people who I had come to know and interact with completely apart! This new forum format is divided up to fine. It may well take a long time for someone to answer a question. I personally do not like this new forum at all. I am not saying I won't still come here, but I am now looking for a Liberty forum more like what this forum use to be like. This was not a very good idea at all.IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO RECONSIDER HAVING AT LEAST ONE HEADING CALLED LIKE BEFORE LIBERTY DIESEL. AFTER ALL THERE WERE ONLY 11,000 MADE, AND MAYBE THERE ARE 200 OF US CRD OWNERS HERE, THE ODDS OF VERY SPECFIC QUESTIONS ARE RATHER SLIM FOR CRD OWNERS. Thanks for considering my request.

    Farout
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Hi Farout - funny how only 11,000 were made and we were pushing 11,000 posts in the general discussion. :P

    Let's try a meet the members discussion with the understanding that if a thread takes off, we'll set up a separate and easily searchable discussion for it. Here's the link:

    Jeep Liberty Common Rail Diesel Jeep Liberty Common Rail Diesel Meet & Greet (maybe CRD would be less of a mouthful?)
  • anomiousanomious Posts: 170
    Farout... I second your motion
    LK
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Farout and Host.... I think that the host do not want to work hard any more. If i have to go and jump from one place to another it will not work for me what ever happen to the freedom that we had; now i can not follow up any more. If it does not change it will be good by for me.....

    nescosmo....
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    We're thinking the workload may increase a little bit because there will be more discussions, and more questions and comments that will need to be redirected so that people can get answers. But the complaints to our help desk show that a lot people who find Edmunds have trouble figuring out where to post or they are deterred from posting in huge discussions. And most people don't seem to want to or don't know how to search, so that hasn't been much of a solution either. I don't have access to the numbers, but participation does seem to be up already.

    Once you are familiar with the discussions here, the easiest way to keep up with new posts is to use the Tracking system. So for everything CRD, you'd want to track the Jeep Liberty and Jeep Liberty Diesel Group. If you don't care about CRD prices or leasing or non-diesel info, you could then untrack those discussion(s).

    Any new discussions would show up on your tracking radar, and if the thread wasn't of interest you would turn off tracking for that discussion as well.

    Hey, it's easier than keeping track of what additives you should put in the CRD at your next fill up. :shades:
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    Steve: Wait a darn minute here. At what price do we value fuel economy? What really counts is the price per gallon of fuel right? Just because some CRD owners put in $15. of PS Cetane booster and Standyne lubercating stuff per tank full of diesel, these guys get 28 mpg! Now I ask you, does it not seem better to get 28 mpg? They are not using that foreign oil as much! (you do NOT count the additives cost! Don't ya know?)
    If ya discounted the cost of the Micky's D used frying oil, and the cost per mile goes way down! (again a persons time in making the Bio fuel does not count either)
    Just because the fuel pump, injector pump, injectors, and glow plugs, might only last only 10% of the time you would get if you used just plan diesel fuel. Now that's what some call saving the BIG money!

    Farout
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    hehe, always fun when I can strike two nerves with one post! :shades:
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    Hey Farout,I agree.Takes more jumping around the site to get to a topic.Guess I'll see the regulars in here somewhere.A few of the Crd'ers are really well informed and educated on this vehicle and it was nice to be able to find them easily.Sounds like were stuck with the new improved way.
  • anomiousanomious Posts: 170
    A lot of the guys got L.O.S.T. :cry:

    LK
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    arvman: This "new & improved" version must have been designed by a guy that works part-time for Edmunds, and full-time for HOMELAND SECURITY. I am just waiting to have some forum to look this. (oh just incase you did not hear Daimler is about to put Chrysler Motors up for sale) (I thing this just might be more freedom for Chrysler) Any ways here is what might be the future forum.

    Jeep/before sale to Kia Motors/older Liberty CRD from V.M. Motori/after fifth Ball joint recall/after # 17 ECU/PCM reflash/ with new 656 RFE retro fit Transmission/with new and improved seat covers.

    Now that is getting right down to the little bitty nit-picken smallest Detail! I especially like the part about Kia Motors buying out Chrysler. That is what I call a nightmare strieght out of Ford's wish list drawer!

    Farout
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    Never heard about KIA buyin out chrysler,but I did see a commercial recently showing doctor "z" showcasing the diesel liberty and commander saying how enviro friendly the company is.No disclaimer at the bottom saying they do not make a diesel libby anymore,at least not for north america.Maybe the asians should buy these guys out,might get better service and product reliability,although my lib is still runnin fine,cheers,arvman...
  • vtdogvtdog Posts: 163
    I hate to be a Luddite, but I too do not like the way the forum has been fractured. Prior to the change, it was possible to spend a few minutes reviewing the forum to see if anything worthwhile has been reported. With the "improved" version, one must go to several different sub-forums to get the whole picture. It does not make sense to me to add forums, when one will do (and has). "If it aint broke, dont fix it"!

    However, if you must keep it like this, please add a forum titled "whiners only" so I can ignore it
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    It does not make sense to me to add forums ...

    Actually, you're in a minority. We get TONS of complaints from people put off by having to navigate "general" topics containing thousands or even tens of thousands of messages.

    please add a forum titled "whiners only"

    Hmm! :)

    tidester, host
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    I seem to remember someone posting a while back that they had had modified their exhaust.I did it on my old F-150 and noticed a huge difference in mileage,about a quarter tank on the highway.Has anyone done this?If so what were the results and wheredid the parts come from?Thank's,ARVMAN...
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,801
    In the original Jeep Liberty Diesel forum, several people had added the Aero Turbine muffler.

    Walker exhaust, owners of DynoMax has a cat back system for the CRD with a couple of different mufflers. I have the list of parts and their numbers somewhere. Go look here:

    http://www.dynomax.com/

    If you download the catalog, a pdf file, it is on page 140.

    I have not modified the exhaust on my CRD as of yet. I am going to wait for this one to fall apart. I am pretty satisfied with how it works.
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    Thank's Winter.I'll be doin the same,let this one fall off or wait till warranty runs out.The little beast is running great.have you drained much water off the fuel filter?I haven't yet because no light on the dash but I wouldn't mind bleeding some off the bottom anyway.Is it the filter on the firewall on the driver's side by the priming pump?
  • anomiousanomious Posts: 170
    http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D630725P&N=7- 00+400304+306110+115&autoview=sku

    Hi! I put this on my CRD. Sounds great, quiet and low pitch. It's 2 1/2" straight through.

    Cheers! LK
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    Would be nice,but we need to have catalytic converters out here for enviro laws.Thank's for the info,the bigger pipe will make a difference.
  • anomiousanomious Posts: 170
    Hi! We do too. I installed it after the stock catalitic convertor. Also it's small diameter saves ground clearance.

    LK :)
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    My relationship witk my CRD is a love-hate one

    Sorry to break it to you this way, Jrpeterson75, but your relationship (and anyone else for that matter) with you CRD should be love-hate-fear. The front lower ball joint set up on Jeep Liberty was designed by a D-student. DC used tension ball joints to support the front of the vehicle rather than pressure ball joints!?

    My opinion is that this stupid design defect falls in the same catagory as Ralf Nader's "unsafe at any speed" VW Beetle and the exploding gas tank Pintos. At least the Beetle and the Pinto had to be involved in an particular kind of accident to be dangerous.

    These Liberty ball joints are not just likely to fail. It is inevitable that uninspected and ignored all existing Libertys will eventually pop their ball joints and fall to the ground. :mad: :sick:
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    siberia: How are doing in the "Edmunds Auto Maze Forum"? I have been quite displeased with this "new and improved" system, but it appears Edmunds hired a former DCX Jeep Compass designer, to make this new system.....ug.
    Going by what you said "all existing Liberty's will eventually pop their ball joints". Those words as I put then can be said for every moving part on the Liberty. That's why Ralf Nader destroyed a pretty good vehicle (Corvair) with too wide a general statement. They were safer than most VW bugs, and most early made vehicles from Japan. You remember the country...Japan, we use to get most of our imports from there a long time ago?

    Farout
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    It's funny I have recieved no notice on the ball joints.I told the service guy about it 3 months ago,he says don't worry,I'll be notified.Well,I'll call today for the oil change and see about the ball joints.Being a safety issye,you would think they would be all over this.Might be a parts issue but what if it becomes a lawsuit issue?Anyone had any problems getting this work done in a timely manner?
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    Hi Farout,

    Since the Forum is free I find it hard to complain too much, but I did like it better before the change. I agree with you about the Corvair. GM dropped the model just when it was becoming a much better car and it was not in the same category as the VW Bug

    I want to thank you for mentioning Moog ball joints some time back. I now have Moog ball joints installed and filled with synthetic grease. The Moogs are visibly better constructed than the OEM units and heavier to the extent possible given the installation restrictions. The steering is now light and precise going down the highway – all steering numbness is gone.

    http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/library.aspx

    True every moving part will eventually fail, but not too many moving parts are designed so that when they fail the vehicle drops to the pavement. I wrote a lot about this over on the Jeep Liberty: Ball Joint / Rear End Clunk section and I don’t want to repeat it here. Pressure ball joints support the vehicle by pushing the ball joint ball into the cup. A pressure ball joint can become very loose before it becomes dangerous since the load of the vehicle is still trying to push ball joint ball into the cup.

    A tension ball joint, like on the Liberty, works just the opposite. The weight of the vehicle is trying to pull the ball joint apart. It is only the portion of the cup that partially wraps around the ball that carries the load and when that wears far enough the joint pops apart dropping the vehicle. In some of the cases when one side popped the additional load on the other side popped that side also. When you look at the drawing on the Moog site realize that the vehicle is hanging from the ball joints and look at the small area under the ball that is supporting the vehicle.

    I will be inspecting my ball joints at each oil change until I find out how the Moogs are holding up. I was at the 1.5mm limit on the OEM at just 28k miles. Thanks again for the tip, Farout.
  • Thanks for your last reply. I was aware that the PCM could be changed to correct the shift points of the transmission, but everything else is working fine and I didn't want to take it in for just this problem. We also can't afford to be without our vehicle for long, and I didn't know how long OP Jeep might take to repair this. In fact, when I asked my wife about it, she did not even notice it and it makes no difference to her. Did you notice an improvement in fuel economy once your shift points were lowered? Also, right now I would like to use the diesel motor torque to pass with, but when I go to pass vehicles on some of these country single lane roads we use, the RPMs go up and stay there too long. I keep trying to let off the fuel so that the transmission will shift to a higher gear, because once that happens, the Jeep surges forward nicely. Did your passing ability improve and the engine be allowed to operate in a lower RPM range in almost all situations? If you or anyone else can give me info on this, it will be appreciated. SemperFi06
  • irishjeep,

    I bought an 03' Jeep Liberty Sport, it was a leftover on the lot with only 40 miles on it. Loved it at first. Then I had problems with the rotors and brakes, then I had the same exact problem you had, the grinding/clunking noise when I turned left and right. Brought it to my dealer, twice, first time they said it was normal, second time they replaced my driveshaft. It was quiet for a couple of weeks and then the noise came back. Switched dealers, finally after the third try, the new dealer located the problem and I haven't had a problem with that since. It was the rear differentials in the drive shaft, they said the weights were missing. Since then I've had the ball joint recall (wondering what happened to the first recall). Good luck with this. I was getting quite discouraged but I got a paid rental jeep to take on vacation while my first dealer tried to figure out the problem, to no avail. I've had way too many problems with my jeep and I didn't even tow or do any serious 4 wheeling with it. I'm trading it in and going with a new dodge car, 4 cyl - tired of the gas guzzling with the 6 cycl. Good Luck with your jeep, I'm gonna miss mine, I loved the thing but I don't think it will stick with me for the long run so I'm gettin out while I can still get a decent trade in. Don't forget - ask the service technicians to look at the rear differntials! Best of luck to you - Collen
  • I'm still having the same problems and now its making a funny noice like if its loosing power when I turn left or right. You are lucky because the dealers here in New York have not been helpful at all. I feel stuck with my jeep. I wish it would just disappear and I feel so unsafe I hate it. Plus I'm seven months pregnant and driving an unsafe car. FYI I just received my recall notice.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,801
    I have not touched the fuel filter nor have I drained any water from the filter. I have had no light appear on the dashboard. I wish they had put a drain on the fuel tank though in case there was a large amount of water there.

    As to water in the fuel, the additives I use regularly gather up any moisture and allow it to pass through the injection system harmlessly.
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