Welcome Toyota Tundra - V
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Welcome Toyota Tundra - IV. Please continue these
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Welcome Toyota Tundra - IV. Please continue these
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You must live in California. I lived there for several years while in the service. They were all stuffy little twirps and had the same attitude that you present by correcting my spelling and grammar.
Thing is, what is really funny, I probably have way more education than you do!
I don't really care about your stupid and pointless article, "regardless" or "irregardless" of anything! Have fun driving your Tundra. After all, you did pay a pretty penny for less truck, to fill the pockets of all those superior Management types at Toyota that you speak of.
You love the guys on this board. After all, normal people avoid those they can't stand.
Snoway out of Hartford WI make a plow setup for the Tundra, I had one installed two months ago.
It is a 7'6" unit with a poly blade. I also bought a metal moldboard for the early part of winter before things get frozen. It is also has an option that puts 300 psi of down pressure on the blade that makes up for the lighter blade. I have used this plow for snows up to 12" so far and have had no problems moving snow with this truck.Snoway does have a web site if anybody is interested
I'm sorry you're so touchy about being corrected on anything. I guess its a good thing you didn't get that article or you would really blow a gasket.
Now that all the name calling has been started, can I point out that it was you who demanded good reasons for liking the Tundra? You wanted real information and not just anecdotal information. Now, you are refusing to be sent objective information on Toyota versus GM. That aversion to information doesn't seem to match that Masters degree you imply you have.
The thing is, your article talks about Management and political issues that are irrelevant to the arguement that Toyotas are no more reliable or better made than any of the big three truck makes.
I don't need to read it. It will not persuade my mind about the trucks themselves in the least bit.
GM has teamed with Toyota on several vehicle "DESIGNS", not just revenues, etc. GM also owns part in Subaru (very well known for reliability). They will soon own part in Honda ( I guess you will then say that Honda's are not reliable). They have teamed with Isuzu for the diesels. In the past, GM sold engines to Chrysler Jeep for some of the Jeep lines. Lets see, how much stock or partnership does Toyota have in anything but Toyota? I can't say for sure, but I have not heard or read of anything.
Toyota buy GM? What a joke. If they pooled every cent they have, they wouldn't have the funds available.
makes quality vehicles, you are only fooling yourself. I have owned 27 vehicles in the last 20 years, with 13 of them being domestic & 14 imports. NO COMPARISON IN RELIABILITY OR QUALITY. Every GM or Ford product I have owned begins to fall apart at 40k miles.ie(water pumps, alternators, door handles falling off, etc.) This is not a narrowed minded opinion, this is fact. Just because Consumer Reports publishes unbiased facts that are totally opposite of your opinion is no reason to trash them. Your opinion is based on the ownership of 2 Toyotas, get real. You are clueless if you think you can base an overall opinion on your bad experiences.
Keep up the pertinent postings. You really add to the discussion.
Really... I'm not joking... Well maybe a little.
It's hard to do but we have to keep in mind if we all had the same tastes and needs there would only be manufacture, not dozens. Which by the way gives us as the consumer a choice.... how we exercise that choice is up to us. (Now that said.... Screw those who don't agree with that free choice, whether it be a GM, Toyota or other)
I'll go check out this topic. These are great trucks but we certainly don't need to be making stuff up about them.
If you have had to own twenty seven vehicles in your lifetime, sounds like you are too stupid to know what you buy.
Tell me, if you have had to buy 14 imports, why the hell do you care about longevity or reliability. You don't keep anything long enough to break. It is you that loses credibility. 27 vehicles sounds like a big story to me.
Like I said before I like all types and makes of vehicles, although I would not include, Hundi, Dawoo, Yugo's in that group, I for the most part would get bored with cars and trucks if we didn't have a choice and difference to choose from.
I'm not going to get into the reverse engineering discussion because it's true..... however it's true for ALL manufactures. Some are better at succeeding then others though, Nuff said. Oh one more thought, if you think the Big 3 didn't pick apart the Japanese manufacturing process when they were being outsold about 10 years back. you've been in the sun to long. All US companies, including yours and mine, studied the Japanese business model and tried to copy it.
I know this will tick off BLD, but we should be thankful the trade deficit made it possible for them and others to start manufacturing here and give us the jobs Vs importing everything. What would unemployeement be in the US if Toyota, MB, BMW and others pulled out tomorrow, what would it do the economy.... and the story can go on an on for both sides. Let's just be tankful of what we got and that we have a choice and are not all driving Checkers in your basic Yellow (But all the back seat room in a Checker would be fun)
I think a name change would be appropriate for Bud Light Dude. "BIG MOUTH STERLING" would fit the bill. What you think? Do I hear a second. A big quantity comes out of the mouth but the quality is terrible. (Just having a little fun, no offense intended)
....let's see is that Cadillac Catera American or is German? Is that Geo a GM? or is it a Suzuki? or a Toyota? What about that Honda with a GM motor due out soon?......Is Nissan going to still be Japanese now that GM is going to buy them, or will they be American too?
...Boy in order to be really biased you need a freeking corporate back ground check on these companies...
...They're really pissing me off, I don't know who to hate these days!
Even with the bad experiences I had with Toyota, I did not start out at these topics to emphasize these problems or to slam Toyotas. The punk [non-permissible content removed] Tundra owners, clueless of anything mechanic, talking trash about other makes while claiming a false sense of reliability advantage of the Toyota, started these heated topics, not me. I have only rebutted the ignorant statements that are made. I don't think the Tundra is an inferior truck. However, it is far from being a better built or better value for the money than any of the big three trucks. I have owned many GM trucks. Some I bought and used for work. Some, like my Z71, I have bought for recreational use and daily driving. None of them have had any major problems and none of them have ever left me walking, not even the greatly abused, used trucks I have purchased for work. They too have taken much abuse and kept on going.
Two Tacomas that never even really seen any "work" or "towing" at all, used mainly as daily commuters for gas mileage, both left me walking. Widespread problem or not, they still broke down hard before 40k miles. How can anyone say that this type of "reliability" or "quality" is higher than the big three?
Only those clueless ones that buy based on fads and know nothing of real mechanics would ever try and make such a rediculous claim.
Overload and really work those Tundras day in and day out like the big three owners do. Then lets talk shop about reliability. I bet most Tundra owners that are honest in the slightest bit, would keep their mouths shut, because the Tundra wouldn't keep up with the real big three trucks.
None of the Silverados widespread problems have left anyone walking like the Tundra has. Not only has the Tundra had more different problems, they have been more severe, like the safety related problem with the Tundra's access doors coming open while driving down the road, by CHILDREN just leaning against them.
You can keep all that Toyota quality you speak so highly of. My inferior Silverado is much more real truck for MY money......:)!
I Guess you were never taught to respect your elders.So that all I'll say to you go back on the GM chat were you belong.
Got a new Automobile magazine today. They have both the Silverado 4x4 and Tundra 4x4 in their 4 seasons test fleet. They say good things about both trucks but also slam the Tundra. "In terms of on-road comfort, the Silverado has our Four Seasons Toyota Tundra beat. Although it still rides like a truck , the Silverado quells frost heaves and potholes better than the Tundra. It also has a more spacious cabin." They go on to say "the rear seat is storage only. The backrest is just too vertical for human habitation -- the rear seats unsuitable for adults but perfect for kids, dogs and guns"
I totally agree with you on the fair trade issue! We (our gov't) need to pressure other countries to open up their markets! And being an often traveler to Japan I'd say they are a bad offender. But, as the worlds strongest economy and retail marketplace, and a land where manufacturers across the globe salivate to gain market share our government should get involved and play a little hardball--we hold all the cards.(apologies for blended metaphors)
It is also true that Toyota has brought thousands of relatively high paying jobs to the US (just ask around in Princeton ,Ind). So too GM, Ford and Dodge have exported them. And unless you're a stockholder you wont see many benefits from buying a "domestic tagged" car or truck.
Your comments sure are like calling the kettle black.
You are correct about being able to get a lemon in any make. With so many choices of different vehicles in the domestics, those chances could probably increase. Maybe that is why you Toyota owners claim so high of reliability. All the Toyota cars look the same and the Toyota trucks are just smaller or bigger versions of the same truck. No originality whatsoever. Pretty blah to buy cars and trucks with zero personality of their own.