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Tundra was slightly quicker than my '99 Silverado, but not off the line....
http://members.aol.com/sturbridg1/utahtrek.html
The 2000 Silverado tested in Motor Trend was quicker to 60 and 1/4 ET than Tundra.
As far as truck comparisons go, please review the "targeted buyer's" for the vehicle. You will find that the corporations define a buyer for the type of vehicle they are building. Tundra's are not the "be-all" work truck. They do not have as many options, nor are they as big as GM, Ford, and Dodge's offerings. They do have enough options for most people, however.
Regarding Japanese history:
My father tells me that a Japanese Zero seemed to be manufactured well enough to severely damage the carrier he served on. By the way when the war was over we went to rebuild Japan, not necessarily show them new manufacturing methodologies, we actually learned a bit from them. Both Japan and Germany did very well in this area, hence their ability to successfully wage war against much larger opponents.
Yes, they do have unfair trade issues. Send a letter to your Senator.
I agree, if you want a sports car do not buy a truck. Do not bring a knife to a gun battle either.
Another thing, I live in California (bring it on). I can get a comparably equipped Tundra for $2500-3000 less than a Silverado. Edmunds pricing sheets seem to match this.
For a discussion group that has 195 posts, there is very little usefull information. Head gaskets issues are valid. Configuration questions are also valid. What you do on the farm is also valid, provided it is backed up by relevant logic.
Everybody has hidden agendas, just tone them down a little. I want to gain knowledge about what truck or SUV to buy for MY NEEDS. If I want to learn about human behavior I will take a psychology class. If you have gripes share them, regardless of make/model, just stick to the topic.
Now it's time to gather my friends and watch the show.
I feel foolish for giving you a reasoned response to your question about ordering a Tundra. Had I known you were just another rabble rouser, I would have ignored you like I do so many others.
I've owned a Tacoma and guess what NO PROBLEMS. My wife owns a 4-Runner, has had it 3 years, and guess what, NO PROBLEMS! No head gasket, no tranny problems, only one thing... a freon leak!!! I know people that own F-150's and swear by them...NO PROBLEMS! No one has had any of these 'phantom' problems some of you make up.
In fact, I was going to buy a F-150 but, it is just tooooo big for my needs. When I need one I'll buy one. A couple of days ago while I was at the hardware store I parked by a '00 F-150 and I swear it made my truck (size-wise) look like a Tacoma! My wife and I both agreed it was way too big for me. If you're into size and need it, buy a F-150. If not the Tundra is the BEST choice out there at this time. When compared to the F-150, Silverado, and Dodge, I have to admit that the Tundra is smaller. I'm glad they made it this size but, if I were building trucks and wanted to compete with the big 3 I would definitely have built it the same size as one of the Big 3 or larger. Just common sense to me! But, I get the feeling that Toyota wasn't trying to target the main core of the truck market, just the niche like me who really is not into the size thing. I can only guess that they needed to stir the pot a little bit about it being a full-size. Good for sales probably, it sure has this place fired up!!
As far as the CLAIMS by "trucksrme" about the Tundra not being as tough on a farm. Don't know about that claim and neither does he I'll bet! But it appears he likes to stir up the pot with his own deviated opinion. But, nonetheless it's his and he is entitled to it. You probably won't see the Tundra on many farms because most farms are passed down generation after generation and they probably buy what the family has always bought...Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. Not that nothing else isn't more reliable, it's all they know. Think about it and it'll make sense!
I am tired of all the BS from both sides. My Tundra works for me, his Ford works for him, his Chevy works him, and his Dodge works for him. Nothing else matters, beside all of the trucks have their own problems. When they make a perfect anything, I'll take 2! I don't care what brand it is!!!
I've been very long-winded on this post and I don't plan on commenting anymore about the Tundra vs anyone! It's gotten plain BORING. Because you don't know what to believe, I swear I think 60% of you tell lies, just to support your on agendas!
the problem of vehicles including trucks just
go to this website www.nhtsa.com and you will find
out all the info you want from recalls, customer
complaints, defects etc. Those of you who are
concerned about the head of V6 Tacoma that problem
happened a long time ago and was corrected. I do
not know how many times TRUCKSME is going to use
that one but that is true and was listed on the
National Highway Traffic & Safety Administrations
BBS. The facts are there are more CONSUMER
COMPLAINTS FOR THE OTHER (BIG3) 2000 MODELS THEN
THE TUNDRA. I do agree it's smaller then the BIG3
but, to each his own.
http://hometown.aol.com/truckwars/truck/trucksx.html
Just click on "News".
Do you know if this thing is for real?
I don't like much. I don't like Pokemon, so I'm going to the pokemon site to tell them that beanie babies are far superior on all accounts. I don't like star trek much either, so I am going to go to their site to share with them how much better x-files is than star trek. I don't see the attraction of baseball, so I am going to go to a baseball chat room to verify for them all the ways that basketball is actually quite superior.
I am going to go everywhere and tell people that they are wrong and I am right. I don't have much of a life, but don't feel sorry for me. I am on a mission to tell everyone that I am right. I like domestics trucks, so logically I should go now to an import truck chat room to tell them how right I am. I need to go now, I am in trouble because my 2nd grade report card said that I do not know how to get along well with others. My diaper needs to be changed and I want my bottle. Waaa!!!
How about we say to everyone in here that they should just be happy they have a new truck to drive around in, instead of an old beater.
Chevrolet 1/2 ton max tow: 9500
tundra 1/2 ton max tow: 7100
Unlike them tundras, them big3 be offerin what be called the "options". With these here options, folks can get one equipped for the haul.
Now for some more "little" facts:
That tundra be usin the trannie out of that t100, and that rearend be out of that tacoma, and that transfercase be out of that tacoma. You really think them compact truck parts be holdin up to real truck work now? Figure this one out for ya self now. Good luck on this one now!
On another note, our resident "farmer" likes to point out that the Tundra has the transfer case and transmission of a T100 and the differential of a Tacoma. Have you ever heard of problems with any one of these components? I didn't think so. Toyota uses what has proven to work and there is not shame in that no matter what is came from.
Kinda like If Ford decided to save money by putting several components from the Ranger on F150's. Compact truck guts doin full sized truck work? Or maybe Toyota never intended for the Tundra to take the load full sized work trucks take. Now there's a novel idea. Maybe they knw Tundras would be used mostly for light duty recreaional needs and so owners wouldn't have to pay for delivery. Whoa, there's a concept.
In fact, I finally got a chance to tow the new boat this past weekend. This thing weights around 4200 pounds on the trailer and the Tundra handled it perfectly. It was rock solid with no sway. Acceleration was better than expected. I was able to merge and pass with no problems. Braking was strong with no fade(of course disc brakes on both trailer axles don't hurt there). I wont say I couldn't even feel the trailer but I really didn't feel a drastic change from being unloaded.
I realize that 4200 pounds is not the most heavy duty use but it is as much as I will ever use. After seeing how it handled this job, I have every confidence that it can handle much more.
I do think Toyota developed and built this truck more for the personal use segment. I really believe that if they were going for the heavy duty work segment they would have released a bigger truck and possibly made the option of one of their over seas diesals. This is also just speculation.
My Tundra does everything I ask of it and seems like it can do 100 X more. She only asks for some regular gas now and then and an oil change every once in a while. I love my Tundra. I have filled the bed up pretty good but have yet to tow anything. If I ever do I will be sure to post what happens. I have no problem posting the good and bad as these forums should give people some real information now and then.
I just hit 8000 miles and my MPG seems to have gone up a tad, maybe one MPG or so.
Hate to ask for more information, but do you know whether the new Tacoma Double Cab is built on the same frame as the Tacoma Xtra Cab? I'm wondering because the preliminary specs I saw had the Double Cab about 4" wider.
Thanks, again for any help. Wish your dealership was located closer to me.
The Tacoma is not due for a complete body style change this year. I though it was but I just got a product update on 4x2 and it is little changed. They are calling it a 2 wheel drive face lift.
On another note, Toyota has a new accessory coming out. The new double cab Tacoma will have a bed extender similar to the Ford and Nissan. This extender will be available in May for both the current Tacoma and the Tundra. So those of you who want to load sheet rock into an Access Cab, you now can with tailgate protection.
Consumer Reports......Top Pick:Full-Sized Pickup
Motor Trend...........Truck of the Year
4-Wheel & Off-Road....4x4 of the Year
Could there be something about this truck the critics like?..........hmmmmmmm....
of the Silverado owners have complained about
happening at 1:30 am or F150 engine go up in
flames while Father and son pulled into gas
station to get gas.
EHARRIS3 - All those trucks and how many years
they have been building them and they still can't
get it right. Toyota may only put out 1/16 the
amount but at least there done right the first
time. REMEMBER ALL MANUFACTURES HAVE PROBLEMS,
JUST SEEMS THE BIG-3 WOULD BE DOING A BETTER JOB
SINCE THEY BEEN AROUND THE LONGEST.
Toyota Tacoma Fire (Topic #1783)
This be the one with them burnin trucks now. Go take a read on it, got some good tells for sure. Good luck on this one now!
I would also like to know the characteristics of a full size truck, is it bed size, cab height, wheelbase, cab size, capable of carrying a sheet of plywood in the bed, or tire size? If a 6'6" bed is full size, what is a truck with an 8' bed and why would a 6'3" bed not be full size?
I know a couple people who tow 5,000lb trailers in their Land Cruisers without problem, ever seen the pumpkin under the Land Cruiser? Ever heard of issues with the V8 head gasket, hmmm?
I am looking for a truck that has a bed over 6' long, has extra storage in the cab (not necessarily for people), can carry a half yard of rock in it's bed, rates very favoribly in total cost of ownership, rates well in the gas milage department, and can be suitably outfitted for running off-highway.
I currently own a stock Toyota Compact Truck. It has been up motorcyle only trails and the like and I have only had to perform standard maintenance on it. I am leaning towards the Tundra instead of the Tacoma because I would like more space. Besides if I want more power and towing capacity I will get a TRD Clutch, TRD Exhaust (or Rod Millen exhaust), and a Rod Millen Supercharger (+100HP and ~+100lbs torque, when it comes out). Pretty much ought to let me do what I want.
BTW the last few non good 'ol boy schtik replies answered several questions for me, thanks.
Even if you are speaking the truth, this is not the right place for it. You should go to a place where them Silverado owners are slapping each other on the back for their good choice