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Look at Ford's "MyTouch" to see what they can do with tomorrow's technology. It looks pretty cool. :shades:
That's about $500 a month. That could be the difference between a new car or a used car, a minimum car or a really nice car!
That $90 is after tax money too, so if you really want to cry your eyes out, think how much you actually have to earn to buy that pack.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Probably Lexus knows people who are going to buy a Lexus aren't going to be too concerned about saving a few thousand dollars. Business people are going to write the car off so they will be getting a bigger discount that way. Others can afford the car so it isn't a do or die situation. Lease rates are probably pretty good because of the high trade in value.
I paid full list for my 2008 because the dealer was only getting 2 a month in and they sell out of them fast, so it is take it or leave it. It was August and I had to get my name on the September list or next slot would be October. I don't know what you can do about that, I guess try a dealer who isn't selling them too quickly.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
With a loan at 6.5% for 60 months a $500/month payment would be a loan of $25,554.24. So for $500/month you could buy a pretty good new car with nothing down.
However $90 a week only comes to $390/month which is a loan amount of just under $20K.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Yes, but don't forget to add in the additional health costs, both immediate and long term. I read that a number of companies are now applying a surcharge to employees' health benefits co-pays in the current open enrollment if they are smokers. I'm guessing the high cholesterol folks are next followed by the "hazardous activities" crowd. I'm guessing that could be you and I Snake since we often bicycle like gazelles amongst the steel elephants.
Gogiboy
Gogiboy
Ah but you are trying to quantify what cannot be quantified. As additional health costs vary from one person to the next, with some cases being null.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Anyway, during the interview process I met with different sales people, sales managers, the President of the company. I remember meeting this one salesman who had just come from a Volvo dealer telling me: "At Volvo, we'd blow cars out the door for $500 over invoice or less. It isn't like that here. We sell most cars for $500 under MSRP, maybe $750 - $1000 if they are a repeat customer." That was way back in 2001 before the tech bubble burst, things are very different now.
I didn't get a great "deal" when I bought my wife's 2010 TSX during the cash for clunkers melee last year. $1000 off MSRP. If I went into a TSX "prices paid" forum and posted my deal, I'd probably get laughed out of the room compared to the invoice & below that most people normally get. I could probably get a base TL for what I paid for my TSX last August. I got the car on the last day of cash 4 clunkers last year and it had the interior color I wanted (BLACK) with the Technology pkg. We love the car. And that's what matters.
I posted a few months ago about the Porsche Cayenne my Mom is getting at the end of December. We got a nice discount off sticker. He said a few weeks ago he was taking orders for January builds at full MSRP.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Don't forget the associated costs, matches, ash trays, extra cleaning, lighters, etc.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I don't care what a store paid for an item and I don't care what their costs of doing business are. If I think whatever it is is a decent VALUE to me, I'll buy it. If not, I'll look elsewhere.
I learned in the car business that some shoppers are just obssed over two things.
1. The store just might be making an evil profit on the deal.
2. Maybe, just maybe, someone else may have bought the same car for less.
I'm thinking, that is a tough, shallow way to go through life but, hey, we are all different!
Buy from a car company that doesn't have such snooty dealers.
That;s an old trick BTW, it's called "perceived rarity". They deliberately keep supply limited so that people are fighting over a product that isn't all that rare.
I remember when the Dodge Charger nameplate came out of retirement. Salespeople were telling customers "you can turn around and sell it for more than you paid". People were dumb enough to pay MSRP for the 6cyl. versions because they perceived them to be more special than they were.
When the Mustang GT 500 came out a while back a friend bought one for over MSRP because he thought they would go up in value. Two years later he took a bath on the trade.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Oh hail yeah! That means the ole jipster was... everybody... "RIGHT".
And isellhondas was....not ( sorry buddy, but when you gotta crow you gotta crow) :P
My initial advisement of paying $15k for that 2005 Pilot was spot on. SPOT ON!!
What you think about that king? oldfarmer? gg? Maybe I should hang out at "Real World Trade In Values" more often? Edmunds can put me on a retainer. Drinks are on me everybody. Just send the tab to tidester and he can bill me later. :P
Richard
Richard
Good call, I thought the same thing. That's why you're my star pupil.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
But what you said here:
"Although a health risk, I don't hunt, fish, gamble, play golf, or buy expensive tools. Strictly from the money aspect, I can justify the cost of the cigarettes. "
is just so much hooey....and you being the intelligent man we know you are, makes that statement that much more unbelievable.
I can think of two on this forum that that irrationality could easily have come out of their mouths, but not yours.
I'll elaborate here and now if need be cuz I'm going back into ignore mode after I post this to save my blood pressure from certain other posts. I could have had a hay day lately. But of course you think u covered your statement with the "Strictly from the money aspect" but Richard....no way. There is a lot of money involved if your genes are the ones that say they've had enough. And that is just from the monetary aspect. What about the pain? Both literally; for you, and emotionally for your loved ones you leave behind?
I only hope that on the next smoke break you and Mrs R take on the side of the roadway outside of the Caddy, that some drunk doesn't come along and cream ya.
Between his truck and my Caddy, I saw one of the four exits. I decided to make a run for it. I don't know if the V8 in the SRX was any help or not, but the engine responded like a rocket into orbit. I will say that this gave me a chance to check the stability and cornering of the Caddy. As I swerved into the exit at high speed, I was afraid that I could tilt over or run up onto the island. Thank goodness, neither happened. The Dodge Ram never slowed down. He continued around the circle blowing his horn at me. I'm so glad that no other car had entered the circle at that time. I managed to go about a half a mile and turn around to head back to the circle.
I don't know if I made the correct decision or not. My instincts just took over and I proceeded to act. Experiences like this happen so quickly that your brain has little time to make a quality decision. As fast as he was moving around the circle, I'm afraid that he would have never stopped in time. I don't know if, or when, he ever knew that he was going in the wrong direction. I hate round-abouts!
Richard
Richard
Hey, are you the guy that was selling plywood after the hurricane?
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Richard
As for the roadway, I can assure you that we don't stand any where near it.
I regret that you are disappointed in me, and also my view on this topic. You mustn't allow yourself to get upset at other people's opinions or life styles. It's not good for you physically or emotionally. We're only sharing our thoughts here. I'm not asking you to agree or disagree with any of mine. Let's put this aside and enjoy more postings.
Best,
Richard
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Learn something new every day. :confuse:
I think you're being a little unfair. The unstated factor is that the dealer is obsessed with the bottom line, i.e. profit, only he never quite says that directly.
Everyone has their own negotiating tactics. The seller, in this case the dealer, is much more sophisticated in negotiating because he has so more experience than the "average joe or jane" buyer who comes in to negotiate the price of a vehicle only once every four or five years.
If profit is an overriding factor for the seller, then how can you condescend to the unsophisticated bloke with the temerity to consider profit as a factor in the negotiating equation? There's nothing shallow about a customer trying to get the best deal, as clumsily as one might be in achieving it, while the seller does the very same thing but with greater skill.
Be thankful for all those "shallow" folks who put food on your table and your kids through school.
And, while I am at it, happy Thanksgiving to all!
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
My MIL is a long time smoker. She'll be 90 in May. I figure let her smoke.
Of course when she was your age we all wished she would quit but such is life. Next time you come to NJ I should put in a cigarette order..... We did that for her last August when we were in NC.
Sloooowwwwllly recovering over here....
The Explorer is my favorite vehicle to drive to NYC. It's tough enough that most cars won't challenge you and has enough power to make a move when I need it.
The compass is just enough of a nav system to let you know if you are generally headed in the right direction.
We found a new and unusual way home after getting out of Yankee Stadium last night, but it worked out well. The quickest we ever made it back after a game.
BTW, I think I was the first one to mention the SRX, although I thought it would be one you ended up not liking.
Richard - you no doubt did the right thing on the circle. Once intuition kicks in on such matters it's usually pretty good to follow it. Of course the real reason it's teh right decision is that you, your wife and the Caddy all lived to tell the tale.
They've been doind that for ages, haven't they? My first real job was in 1997 and they asked if you were a smoker or not. If you smoked, you paid more for insurance.
There were some event shirts available for sale that detailed the results of the first 49 games. I could never buy one of those. They seem pretty tacky.
They are the Yankees of college football except that they aren't any good anymore. One of my favorite teams to root against. I don't know what I will do when they play Miami again. How do you root for both teams to lose?
ND may play Miami(OH) in football some day, since the Miami head coach was the offensive coordinator for ND a couple of years ago.
He got completely dissed by the ND head coach at the time, so it would be a way to make a positive out of a negative.
They are in the same conference in Ice Hockey, so a Football hookup isn't a complete stretch.
I am glad you are still with us. I am glad you had that extra horsepower to get you out of what could have been a real disaster. Horsepower can be used for good and bad, just like many other things, in this case it was used for good.
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2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
As is your God-given right. But as an ex-smoker, I can't shake the suspicion that you probably haven't truly enjoyed smoking in many years. You stick with it not because it gives you genuine pleasure - more than likely, it doesn't - but because you can't imagine your life without cigarettes. I smoked as long as I did largely because I was afraid to stop & not because I liked smoking. I simply couldn't see myself as a non-smoker.
I must admit that I had it easier than you do in one important respect: my wife stopped smoking years before I did & then leaned on me to follow suit. In the long run, it's just about impossible to disregard the wishes of someone whom you love & who loves you. Her example also gave me courage; if she could do it, then so could I. I don't think that I could have quit if she hadn't done it first.
Feel free to disregard this. When I smoked, I often said that there was no one more obnoxiously self-righteous than an ex-smoker.
I am sure you are just teasing right?
See what happened when I trusted you? You know what they say about pay back. (Grin)
Richard
You were correct. Had it not been for my wife's persistence, I would have never seriously considered it. It's strange how things seem to work out at times. I still love Explorers and the Flex. I just need a car lot of my own.
Richard
Richard
I would never disregard your posts. I have too much respect for you to do that. I absolutely agree with all that you said. I'm very glad that you were able to quit. It is a terrible habit, and very hard to correct. The addiction is as bad as many other drugs. I am grateful every six months when my x-ray comes back showing clear lungs. One day, that may not happen. My pulmonary specialist says that 18% of smokers get lung cancer. Still, who knows who will be in that 18%? The other 82% usually die of smoke related diseases---enphysema, etc. None of it is good, and none of it justifies smoking.
Richard
First, to indicate you would be missed if something happened to you. I guess i could have picked a better way to say it. As Jim said, and you also know, I too am an ex-smoker, and we can be too righteous at times. But I wasn't trying to be that either. I've had to endure the premature loss of victims to the addiction. Too many times. I've heard that some people are too old to quit. The shock can hurt their health in other ways. But I suspect you are a good 20 years shy of that age at least.
And second, that I am a fair person/poster, in that I don't discriminate only those whose personalities and mine, clash, to make issues with, but that I speak my mind, and at times, choose to risk the borders of just light small chat. Doing so with someone whom I've taken a liking to and knowing ahead of time that you are a bit sensitive to it, shows I was prepared to step in it a bit. I was focused more on the potential beneficial result of going there more than any negative ramifications, so risked it. I resisted saying something about it (since I first heard you say you might like to give them up about 3 mo ago) about three times. The most recent was when you said you two haven't ever smoked in the new car. But..FF a week or so and...well...you saw what caused me to post what I did. I'll
try tonot bring it up ever again.Glad you outrun the Dodge Ram. Amazing..the idiot was in the wrong and had the audacity to honk at you. And there's a 50/50 chance of that happening throughout any given day in Seattle? Now I know why some nerves in the area are a bit frazzled at times that allows the cynicism to creep in.
Yes, Happy TG to you guys and girls in the USA. Ours was back in Oct. When I trucked down there, some years I got to have two
Regarding your round-about story. I live in a small town which is in the midst of building its first round-about, with a lot of discussion and controversy.
I would like to quote your story in a online forum of the local newspaper. I will remove some of the detail more specific to you. Is this ok with you?
And, you do live in Virginia, right? I would note this in my post.
I live in Virginia. Roanoke recently had a "roundabout" installed.
Local TV station WSLS.com had an article on it.
Hope that helps with your agenda.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
The Infiniti store are nice but more difficult to get a GG type of deal.
The two Acura stores will fight tooth and nail for your business. They're very easy for me to do business with.
The two BMW dealers will compete hard (especially on price) too. Very easy for me to deal with either of then, also.
The two Lexus stores, owned by the same person? No competition. "Take it or leave it" attitude. Difficult to do business with. Obviously they're successful as one of their stores is a palace. The other one isn't too shabby either. Their customers pay for all the marble and water fountains. Personally, I don't need that.
I know two Lexus owners. One bought locally, the other actually went out to get some competing Lexus bids in about a 150 mile area. The one who bought from the high priced local dealership (an RX), paid through the nose for the privilege. He routinely is frustrated by, not only the high purchase price, but also the very high charges for routine maintenance and repair.
The one who bought from a dealer further away (an LS bought in the central part of the state) not only saved himself literally thousands of dollars on the purchase price, but only uses the local dealer for warranty work. He uses the same ASE guy I use for routine maintenance (at a substantially reduced charge vs Lexus).
Guess who's happier? The guy who paid less. So, the local Lexus dealerships not only charge more, they're also unable to make their customer any happier for the privilege.
I'll assume that since the economy went sideways, I may be able to strike a better deal at the local Lexus dealerships. Problem there is, they lost me the first time I walked in.
You know what they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I hear ya, GG I have 2 Ford stores here within 60 miles.
I went to the 2 dealers with an ebay build/price list for a Mustang.
It was something like $22,600 base V-6 A/T. Simple, right?
Local guy wouldn't touch it (he's used to $4k markup), next guy said
OK as long as trade was reduced accordingly. Now that I have no
trade, I'll end up with the second guy. Local guy gets a "no sale".
Didn't even try to make it happen. Some dealers just won't change.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I understand and even agree.
Were you to spend a year in the car business, you too would see people do things you wouldn't have believed. THOSE are the ones I'm talking about.
Happy Thanksgiving to all of you!
Then there are the people new to the area who have never seen one before.
The first one I ever had to deal with is in Long Beach California. It's called the "Traffic Circle". It's been there since the 50's I believe. About six different streets tie into it and unless your neck is on a swival it can be downright scary.
I have seen at least four accidents on it over the years and I didn't even drive in that area all that often.
True enough. I've got a friend who could only give it p by convincing himself how utterly disgusting a habit it was. You can just imagine him once he successfully quit....
Explorer - I think ND plays Miami (FL) in 2013. That used to be the classic Catholics vs. the Convicts match up. I don't care for either school but it was always an amazing game.