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If you want to see something pretty funny, watch the tourists driving in the UK (already driving on the "wrong" side of the road), and the look of absolute panic when they hit a roundabout for the first time in their life.
The first time I did this, it took a lot of concentration to avoid sudden lane changes and sometimes I went around again if I missed my turnoff.
Great fun!
Doug
A good traffic circle should not have stop signs. In Spain You better not stop to move in, or you'll get blasted with horns for miles. Just keep moving. I think they do lose their value if there are too many intersections and too much traffic....St Armands Circle in Sarasota works well if not overly congested.
an article by some engineers stating how they figured out how a bumble bee was able to maintain stable flight.
It is explained very nicely if you google "why bumblebees can fly" and check wikipedia under flight. Has to do with the way they move their wings, not just that they have wings.
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May I respectfully point out that it is The Ohio State University.
Miami University, Cradle of Coaches, will always be the Miami Redskins for me.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
At least I got my facts right. Bumblebees can fly.
So actually those facts are just your opinion, based on your personal experience. My experience is that traffic circles don't work for me so I don't care for them. I am sure a lot of people like soccer, socialized medicine, the metric system, and tiny little cars, but I don't care for them either.
As far as bumblebees are concerned, maybe snake is right.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Nothing new - the same things I've been seeing here for years.
I don't know what I was thinking other then being tired, I completely missed the purchase price that was put on the bill - 22705 - not what I agreed on at all. I called this am and left VM for the sales guy, but he doesn't come in until 2P.
What else can I do, and is there really anything I can do since unfortunatly i signed off on this deal. I'm in PA so no 3 day cool off period either.
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I drove the car off the lot yesterday with all the paperwork finalized.
My guess is that you are well and truly screwed.
There for awhile I thought the dealer might still be in possession of the car, but the instant you drove it off the store property, you finalized the deal. More than once I've had dealers insist I drive the car "around the block" after I've done the paperwork but still needed to go home to get my wife to drive one of the cars back. There's a reason they do that, but state laws may vary.
Good luck.
Best case scenario is you cause a big fuss and they unwind the entire thing, although this is highly unlikely.
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Last post on this so we don't get shut down. The are plenty of studies about roundabouts being better (disclaimer: when done correctly). I hope you don't dispute that (google that if you want).
The comment about my experience with roundabouts wasn't to show evidence that they work. It was to address your comment that I had no personal experience with them.
Anyway, I'm moving on and you should too.
Ouch. I would try to go into the dealership asap and talk to the GM. You'll find out how honest that dealership is fairly quickly by explaining your situation.
When I was young and sharp I had no money, but now I'm old and not as sharp so I make it a point to simplify numbers. Difference in price and out the door number.
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Unfortunately, I don't think you can undo the deal. The only option is if the GM is a nice guy and admits he made a mistake. The contract is what stands up in court, and being tired and signing won't be a good enough excuse.
It does sound like a pretty good price for the Fusin, especially with $2000 less. I wonder if the GM did this by mistake or on purpose. Maybe, he thought the only way he could sell the car was to try to get it through at the higher price.
I would talk to him....at this point you would have nothing to lose, and maybe it was an honest mistake. You can tell him if he refunds the money you would certainly be impressed and would tell all your friends about what a good dealership they have.
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Actually we are a town, not a city.
You forgot to mention that was for two years in a row.
Now that you know where I live I don't want to catch any of you guys hanging around looking to get a ride in my van. :P
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In Schenectady, a few towns over, the police chief went to jail for selling coke and in Albany, which we are a suburb of, the city gang "expert" was caught working a second job while on sick leave and for claiming he had a gang data base which never existed.
Makes you wonder who the REAL crooks are.
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maybe I'm just jealous? I don't facebook, tweet, iPod, mp3 or almost any fraction of the techno-world racing before me...yet I still survive. Amazing indeed..
Lets say they order 100 of a particular model each year. Do they receive the majority of them all at once or are the deliveries spread out over the entire year?
Also do deliveries come on a regular basis, say once a month or does it vary with seasonal demand?
And one final question. Does the manufacturer ever refuse to sell the dealer more of a particular model for any reason other than lack of available units?
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They are received throughout the year. The plants are in production all year, so deliveries are spread out. Not all at once.
Also do deliveries come on a regular basis, say once a month or does it vary with seasonal demand?
They arrive sporadically. Most are delivered by truck, and on an irregular basis. Sometimes a trailer or more, and sometimes 1 or 2 units at a time. Usually a steady flow.
Does the manufacturer ever refuse to sell the dealer more of a particular model for any reason other than lack of available units?
Not sure about all brands, but generally most models are allocated and must be qualified for. So a dealer usually can't get enough of the hot models, and may have his arm twisted to take more of the slow movers.
That is how it worked for the brand I sold. Perhaps someone else can chime in for some others.
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Interesting, but I like the original more...it covered a lot more topics like jobs of the future etc.....however the additional information was fascinating.
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We'll just steal it....the police won't be expecting that in your town.
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She said she didn't like the Volvo and couldn't wait to get her bimmer back. The Volvo has sloppy steering, spongy soft ride and the car lacks the "feel of the road" - her words not mine.
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Not a big deal to them. Salesguy pulled out their allocation allotment, which went out at least a few months. Each unit was slotted into a production window, and had a defined order cut off date.
so ordering was simply a matter of scrolling down to the first unclaimed 5 series slot (they were allocated a certain number of each model), then picking the options. and then just wait for it to show up.
when the cut off hit, someone at the dealer would spec out any remaining slots with what they could sell the easiest.
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Richard
I do know that many years ago my sister had a mid-60's Chevy Malibu and discovered that her keys would work in other similar vintage ones.
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1. You want an immediate appointment with the owner of the dealership.
2. You WILL be calling the state automobile dealers association.
3. You WILL be calling the better business bureau in your area.
4. You WILL be calling the local area chamber of commerce.
5. You WILL be posting a negative report on all car forums such as Edmunds.
6. You WILL be writing to Ford's Customer Service Division.
7. You WILL be making an appointment with Ford's regional manager.
8. You WILL be doing a physical protest just beyond the dealership property line.
9. You WILL notify all of your friends and neighbors.
10. You WILL place a magnetic sign on your Fusion that the dealrship is unethical. (Check with attorney before implementing #10.)
Type your ten options and place the sheet in an envelope. If the GM balks, hand him the envelope. Type a second sheet for the dealership owner of options 2-10. If he also balks, hand him the second sheet. Whether you proceed with any or all of the options, they will know that you have a plan. Your plan will show fore thought, preparation, and purpose.
One of four things will happen:
1. They will correct the error.
2. They will take back the Fusion.
3. They will refuse to correct the error.
4. They will split the error with you.
I wish you well. Let us know how it goes.
Richard
You are correct.....that's not to be confused with Ohio University, which is entirely different.
And yes, Miami University is the cradle of coaches....having been home at one time or another to....the legendary Paul Brown, Ara Parseghian, Walter Alston, Woody Hayes, and many, many other very successful and famous coaches.
I actually was on campus a few weeks ago to meet up with some of my (thinning) former class mates. The campus was beautiful with the trees changing. Love the university. Love the campus.......STILL!
Like you, I'm proud of all of my affiliations with my school.
I'll quit....too off-topic!
You're in a tough spot. Just curious, did the F&I and/or sales guy go through the contract with you? Usually, they review the deal.....
"Mr Kubus, you agree to this amount for your trade-in, and that the Fusion is this amount." Or, something to that affect.
I have no idea whether you misunderstood the GM or the GM misunderstood you.
I'm thinking you should go back to the GM and talk to them to get the miscommunication reviewed and hopefully, rectified.
But, once you drive away after signing, normally the deal is final.
It could be something like this
Good points, but this one is almost useless. Lots of reports these days about how the BBB gives good marks, like As to companies who pay their $300 annual dues, but companies that don't pay get Ds and Fs.
If a company has bad reports they overlook it if they pay up.
Hope kubus lets us know what eventually happened. Usually these posters tell us their problem, than never come back. And, we are just left with each other.
(cry)
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It could be something like this
Don't know if I want to buy something recommended by "coketillyouchoke2"
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At best the dealership will accept the lower cost and redo the paperwork, but if they don't I don't think that all that other stuff will do much other than make you more miserable about what happened.
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Big deal, so do I.
It's just in different places.
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The crooks hate this bad publicity and will usually cave under the pressure. They hate to see those cameras and microphones come walking through the door. If you don't get relief by just having a friendly discussion, I would definitely look into this route.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
The problem in this case is the contract was signed. So, if he takes it to a newspaper or TV reporter it is a he said and the salesman said situation. Who do you believe? The only thing you can believe is what is in writing. Watching Judge Judy has given me this wisdom.
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When we took in trades that had alarms, if they went off by themselves more than once, the wire cutters came out!
Big deal, so do I.
It's just in different places.
Exactly. I'm not losing my hair - it's migrating.....
And why do manufacturers make cars so they make a loud chirping noise when you use the remote? I had that removed from my 2000 Cherokee as soon as possible.
Just the lights flashing and the sound of the locks getting in place is more than enough. I have seen people actually jump when cars make that noise...it could cause serious injury.
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"if they went off by themselves more than once, the wire cutters came out!"
lol
I still get disgusted when the alarm is going off and the owner has the OM open on the hood of the new car. Wouldn't the time to become familiar with its operation, be in the comfort of a lonely forest somewhere?
My mother had a heart condition and a stupid alarm going off with no one in sight closer than 200 feet, gave her a friggin' heart attack! :mad: :mad: :mad:
She was 2 months out from recovering from a triple by-pass
After she recovered, naturally she was on edge anytime she was near some car parked beside hers with no one in it or near it. Why people have to unlock their doors, a football field's distance away from it, I'll never understand. These stupid alarms that 'show' you were you parked, by disrupting everyone else's life, should be banned. If you can't remember where you parked, should you even be driving??