o.k, thanks carman. Your humor is so slippery I guess I'm having trouble holding onto it. We really need one of those "Carman Dictionaries" pinhead was talking about.
just ask one of us carguys will be happy to educate you on our ways.
if you are a sheep and have questions about why your supervalue happymeal with extra large diet coke is bland yet filling. I am sure some of the toyonda guys will have the drive thru manager come over to help :P
my bil had some brake problems with his previously owned moutaineer he just bought. we went to rd sawyer flm in manteo nc and they took care of him in a about a couple of hours. they have a gt500 on the showroom floor (only 1 vehicle could fit) and were nice enough to unlock it and open the hood, so we could check it out. btw they fixed up by bil's moutaineer and took hm out for a drive to prove it. i love those family dealerships.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
I have my eyes on a fixed roof e type mkII with a/c.
Perfect car Dr owned since new at a estate sale :shades:
I made a market value offer then was flipped to the Late Dr's brother Rabi Cohen.
The Good Rabi (and my rabi) tells me his brother loved this car and if i offered XXXX the Late Dr and his Family and God would Know that the car is going to a nice person. :surprise:
I told him I will meet him in the middle because i thought God knew everything :shades:
Rabi Cohen laughs and tells me he knew he could bump me .
I hope to have the car in a few weeks. it is what i call gulf blue with a factory white painted roof ( because of a/c ?) on period alloy wheels,large cloth folding sunroof with black hides.
I remember hearing a similar story (maybe the same one if it was a national news show) and I was thinking that he is going to blow any gas savings by the added expense of the new car.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Ok, someone is definitely indulging in the sticky yicky tonight. And it ain't me. :shades:
I'm off on vacation for a couple days with the family. I love it when plans come together. I've sold two that will be delivered while I'm gone. That makes me very happy.
Everyone have a safe, happy and fun long weekend. Happy 4th!
Reminds me of when i had Italian and german buyers paying 100k over on vipers back in 92 thru 94
If another one calls you tell them that you know of someone in the St. Louis area who might be persuaded to let his go for that much...and it's newer than a 94.
Heck, I'll even drive it to the east coast if they want it loaded on the boat.
do you know where i can get a deal on a auto factory?
I hear they'll be running a sale sometime after October 31 in the St. Louis area. See if they'll give you the employee discount.
BTW, where did you read that the reason the St. Louis minivan plant was shutting down was because they made the slow selling short wheelbase? There hasn't been a short wheelbase minivan made there since the last model change around a year ago.
The St. Louis assembly plant is also the only plant making the diesel and right hand drive export models. Windsor had better start retooling.
Or kicking'em while they're down. Statements from Merrill Lynch auto analyst John Murphy along with "helpful comments from Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson regarding the housing industry that the " worst is yet to come" Add $1 per bbl and voila', the Dow hits a new low.
Merrill Lynch analyst John Murphy said GM needed to raise up to $15 billion in new capital to get through 2008 and 2009. The company insisted it had enough to cash to get through 2008 and could sell assets and make other moves in 2009.
GM closed down 15.1% to $9.98. Shares of all automakers plus automobile parts makers and tire makers also fell.
Bankruptcy is "not impossible" if the U.S. auto market continues to slump, Murphy wrote. A GM bankruptcy would put all labor contracts at risk and take years to resolve and could cause problems for thousands of suppliers.
Level = fairly tough She said, 'There is no reason and the truth is plain to see.' But I wandered through my playing cards and would not let her be.
The color of my wife's face when she sobered up and realized whom she had married:
"A Whiter Shade of Pale" Procol Harum.
I am old, I've got the album on casette, Conquistador...
Ok, deskman. You may be getting a classic Jag, but I won a $20 gift certificate to a local ice cream shop for donating blood on Monday. Ice cream. I win!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Darn you dada, but my guess would have been wrong. I was going with Stairway to Heaven, just off the top of my head, but didn’t think it was right.
I might have mentioned this before, my kids name is Laura so I kind of like you handle.
She also starts her 5th year of college this fall if you care to throw some chips my way. :P
Winner, winner chicken dinner. Man that was fast. Congrats, laurasdada. A classic organ chord progression but unlike Jim Morrison of the Doors who was known for occaisonally playing his own organ, a R&R hall of famer. At least you've got it on casette, lol, you didn't say 8-track. Wore out 3 copies of the Dead 'Europe '72 ' on that ill conceived technology.Conquistador a great song btw.. Should I mention the Cars for relevancy.Please post pictures of the Jag when you score it deskman, fond memories of a friend's classic XKE V-12. British Leyland. Yeah I know they broke down alot but they were still cool.
Level = med hard Do you want to see me crawl across the floor to you? Do you want to hear me beg you to take me back?
What did Chrysler offer Press to make him leave Toyota? Must have been a big carrot or he found out Toyota had him on the chopping block. His wife is Japanese. I wonder if she's committing harey carey!
Not Harry Caray. fgs And it's out! Way out in left field, batter batter batter batter.Such a poor job at HD and private equity gives Nardelli the lead at Chrysler? Didn't know his wife was Japanese. Lame joke regarding homeownership in Hawaii, this time we get to bomb Pearl Harbor. I personally wish to apologise in advance to any persons who are Japanese, or are of Japanese descent for that as forestated, it was extremely lame joke. No offense intended, it was meant to poke fun at a cultural truism and to deny tidester justification for deleting this message, j/k T, brown nosus maximus, Mea Culpa Maxima. Aloha in the true spirit.
Level = relatively easy Mirrors on the ceiling and Pink Champagne on ice. We are all prisoners here, of our own device.
Thanks, jkinzel, just having fun before beddy bye. Jipster, you'll notice I did support the team, Pax, mi hermano. Btw. still here.You too, moo. That was alot of fun typing . My convoluted theory, AMC went out of of business due to their poor marketing. Such mean names, they were destined to failure. Seriously, could you own a Hornet and complain if there were problems ? What adjective do we associate wirh Hornet? And if you owned a Gremlin, who was to blame you or them if you had problems ? You bought it. The Pacer, or spacer can't really make fun of the name but it was max-ugly.
Level = med, cuz you guys are good. There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief There's too much confusion, there must be some relief.
I'll take either version, the original or later and better re-make.
Oh crap, incipient Alzheimers. I can hear it.Just a second.I can hear the guitar riff, duh nuh nuh nuh dun nuh duh! Thinking Joe Walsh but getting ready for bed.Good one Mack. It's been good to me so far?
Yes....Joe Walsh was ONE of the members, but the band was James Gang.....Funk #49.
Double Jeopardy for $1,000 Alex.....the original "All Along the Watchtower" was penned by Bob Dylan.
Onto the dealerships......when I was helping my friend buy her Accord, and asking the sales person about his car sales career, he had his available hours (weekly work schedule) printed on his card. I inquired about some of the "older" feller's wandering around the showroom floor. There were two of them.
I asked if the were just "part time". He said they may as well be. Maybe Craig can shed some light on this. The sales person said that they work mostly days, some, but only a few Saturdays....no Sundays....rarely any nights unless they absolutely have to make an evening delivery. They take no "ups" and mostly work by appointment only. Their tenure is ranked in the years, not months.
I questioned their productivity. The sales person said they consistently rank among the sales leaders every month.
Would that be because they've been around so long they know most of the customers? Or, are they really that good that they don't have to work the prime selling hours of evenings and weekends?
deskman, you're alright! Did my part to help GM this past November - bought a new Cadillac DTS Performance! I absolutlely love this car, depreciation and psychotic pump prices be darned! :shades:
What? How is he saving money having a car payment? Shoot, even if he paid cash for that Camry, that money would've funded many years of fuel for that Suburban! Panics make people do fierociously stupid things.
hopefully our gracious hosts allow a little leeway....
Music trivia...
"One morning, I woke up And I knew you were really gone A new day, a new way, I knew I should see it along"
Another...
"Oh my, my, Oh hell yes Honey put on that party dress""
Last one....
"Ate an awful lot of late night drive in food Drank a lot of take home pay I thought I was the Duke of Earl When I made it with a red haired girl in the Chevrolet"
Maybe that's part of the problem....the statistical analysis gleaned from consumer input is usually a small sample size. They always depend on asking the right questions. I would imagine if you asked the consumer the question "would you want a minivan that's easy to clean?", the obvious answer is "yes".
The more pertinent question would be "would you buy a minivan that's easy to clean, but is made of material that's closely related to the materials you'd find in a "leggo" kit, would you buy it"?
The answer would probably be "No".
Looking at the stats, truck, minivan and SUV sales are down 20%-30% across the board. Dealers can't get enough 4 cyl cars. Hybrids now have waiting lists.
Took my Tahoe in for an oil change to my dealer yesterday. While I was waiting, I saw someone taking delivery of a Hybrid Tahoe. Sticker was north of $50K. Don't know what the guy paid for it, but I'd guess they got him for the full boat.
Dealer said he'd sell Hybrid Tahoes all day, every day, if GM would ramp up more production.
So, that means the desire for big vehicles hasn't subsided.....if they got decent fuel economy. I think the sticker said this Tahoe gets 20-21 MPG....same as you'd get with a 4 cyl Camry, or there about.
Mine (flex fuel) gets around 15-16 MPG in mixed driving. I'll get close to 19 MPG on the highway. From that perspective, it ain't that bad. To get those numbers, I have to set the cruise control to 60-65 MPH. In town, I coast a lot (to shut down cylinders). Very irritating. But, plant the "go peddle" to merge onto the highway, and MPG drops like a rock. The biggest culprit is stopping and idling for long periods of time.
My "3-er" gets good MPG....about 21MPG mixed. But, that's on the required premium juice. It costs the same (maybe a little more ) to fill up the BMW as it does the Tahoe.
You want to become more fuel efficient? Have each community abolish 10%-15% of the stop signs and red lights. Over the years, all these communities put up stop signs, red lights just about at every intersection. Why? For good or ill, there was a point in time where there were more people walking and traffic needed to be controlled to keep from making them road kill. Today, I'd say foot traffic has dropped 50% from where it was 10-20 years ago. Bottom line, we don't need nearly as many stop signs and traffic signals. Do that, and I'd bet every vehicle on the road would get 1-2 MPG better.
Crank up production of Tahoe/Yukon Hybrids and they'd sell like hotcakes.
Mack....I would imagine that those Highlinder hybrids are tough to keep in stock, too?
I know this is all very politically incorrect. Given some of the politicos and special interest groups choices, we'd all be riding around on Segways. It's "chic" to drive a Prius in CA. The vast majority of the rest of the country doesn't quite see it that way, though.
People want what they want.
Answer to the first song lyric....."Carry On" by CSN&Y.
I have not really studied the hybrids that much, but from what I have been told the benefit is mostly in stop and go or city type driving. When you get to running 70-75 down the highway it seems you are running on the gas engine anyway with NO hybrid benefit. If that is correct, then lots of folks will be wasting the cash they paid for the hybrid part of the vehicle. I think the panic and misinformation/misunderstanding have dropped the public IQ about as fast as gas prices have been going up.
Some of you may recall that I bought my Mazdaspeed3 from a dealer in Cincinnati due to the assinine sales practices($3K ADM, no test drives w/o a signed buyers order, etc.) of the Louisville dealer Oxmoor Mazda. Well, yesterday I thought that I'd give Oxmoor's parts department a shot at my business. I'm instructing at a HPDE in a few days and I wanted a spare set of front brake pads. The parts guy comes back with a quoted price that is $57 over MSRP and @$100 over the internet price offered by a couple of online Mazda dealers. Idiots :mad:
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Their idea of "market" is two suckers a year coming and buying at their idiotic price - thus confirming it's a "market price". For them it's impossible to even think you may actually sell more units at lower price. What for? From their point of view you can do nothing whole year then a sucker comes around, you score once and then you go back to vacation.
of the Louisville dealer Oxmoor Mazda. Well, yesterday I thought that I'd give Oxmoor's parts department a shot at my business
I called that dealership about a month ago for a quote on a new ignition coil when I had one go bad. They were about $10 higher ($90) than the other dealership I called. But, they were going to charge me about $95 in labor to change out two additional coils that I was thinking of changing out while the intake was pulled off. The coils pull right out... might take a minute per coil. The other dealership wasn't going to charge me anything in labor for the two extra coils.
edited: One time I had an oil change and the service receipt stated they put in 10w-30 oil, when the manual calls for 5w-20. When I called asking why they didn't put in the recommended type oil, the service writer replied that there was some type of glitch in their computer system, and they put the correct oil in. Either one are okay to use, but I don't want the heavier oil in during cold winter months. I go to the Oxmoor Mazda dealership for their $19 oil changes, transmission and coolant flushes. They run those services on special sale prices that are hard to beat.
Is always fun... Like most here, I'm sure the lyrics presented are instantly recognizable and pop into your mind's eye. Sometimes just hooking them up with the melody takes some thinkin'...
The Procol Harum lyrics almost instantly translated into music in my head, as did the Petty song and Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower." Jimi's version, of course. What an intro...
And, topic-time, I really enjoy this forum: the denizens, the stories, the slightly off-topic non-offensive banter. Reading stories/thoughts from Mack/BR/ISell/GP from Bawstn/the psychotic deskman et al will stick in my mind as I buy my next car. I won't feel quite so bad as I'm getting clubbed.
Do I still want to sell cars as my next career? Don't know, people are so annoying!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
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just ask one of us carguys will be happy to educate you on our ways.
if you are a sheep and have questions about why your supervalue happymeal with extra large diet coke is bland yet filling. I am sure some of the toyonda guys will have the drive thru manager come over to help :P
I think he is up with Gene Simmons as far as the # of closes since he started riding mares.
every time i would pull up a cabriolet on the computer to work a deal i would find out it was a demo. :surprise:
they have a gt500 on the showroom floor (only 1 vehicle could fit) and were nice enough to unlock it and open the hood, so we could check it out.
btw they fixed up by bil's moutaineer and took hm out for a drive to prove it.
i love those family dealerships.
I have my eyes on a fixed roof e type mkII with a/c.
Perfect car Dr owned since new at a estate sale :shades:
I made a market value offer then was flipped to the Late Dr's brother Rabi Cohen.
The Good Rabi (and my rabi) tells me his brother loved this car and if i offered XXXX the Late Dr and his Family and God would Know that the car is going to a nice person. :surprise:
I told him I will meet him in the middle because i thought God knew everything :shades:
Rabi Cohen laughs and tells me he knew he could bump me .
I hope to have the car in a few weeks. it is what i call gulf blue with a factory white painted roof ( because of a/c ?) on period alloy wheels,large cloth folding sunroof with black hides.
Mom and Pops are going the way of 99 cent a gallon gas. :surprise:
If they did not expand in the past 20 years it is time to close shop and play golf :surprise:
I see the system going to Dealers in the citys,metro,burbs and burgs with off site Service in rural areas. :shades:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I'm off on vacation for a couple days with the family. I love it when plans come together. I've sold two that will be delivered while I'm gone. That makes me very happy.
Everyone have a safe, happy and fun long weekend. Happy 4th!
-moo
If another one calls you tell them that you know of someone in the St. Louis area who might be persuaded to let his go for that much...and it's newer than a 94.
Heck, I'll even drive it to the east coast if they want it loaded on the boat.
I hear they'll be running a sale sometime after October 31 in the St. Louis area. See if they'll give you the employee discount.
BTW, where did you read that the reason the St. Louis minivan plant was shutting down was because they made the slow selling short wheelbase? There hasn't been a short wheelbase minivan made there since the last model change around a year ago.
The St. Louis assembly plant is also the only plant making the diesel and right hand drive export models. Windsor had better start retooling.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Statements from Merrill Lynch auto analyst John Murphy along with "helpful comments from Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson regarding the housing industry that the " worst is yet to come" Add $1 per bbl and voila', the Dow hits a new low.
Merrill Lynch analyst John Murphy said GM needed to raise up to $15 billion in new capital to get through 2008 and 2009. The company insisted it had enough to cash to get through 2008 and could sell assets and make other moves in 2009.
GM closed down 15.1% to $9.98. Shares of all automakers plus automobile parts makers and tire makers also fell.
Bankruptcy is "not impossible" if the U.S. auto market continues to slump, Murphy wrote. A GM bankruptcy would put all labor contracts at risk and take years to resolve and could cause problems for thousands of suppliers.
Level = fairly tough
She said, 'There is no reason
and the truth is plain to see.'
But I wandered through my playing cards
and would not let her be.
"A Whiter Shade of Pale" Procol Harum.
I am old, I've got the album on casette, Conquistador...
Ok, deskman. You may be getting a classic Jag, but I won a $20 gift certificate to a local ice cream shop for donating blood on Monday. Ice cream. I win!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I might have mentioned this before, my kids name is Laura so I kind of like you handle.
She also starts her 5th year of college this fall if you care to throw some chips my way. :P
NOT!The Sienna and Odyssey look way better than the new Caravan. First time I saw a new Carvan it looked like a delivery truck. It still does.
Level = med hard
Do you want to see me crawl across the floor to you?
Do you want to hear me beg you to take me back?
Mack
:shades:
Level = relatively easy
Mirrors on the ceiling and Pink Champagne on ice.
We are all prisoners here, of our own device.
Good stuff Duke
How about this one?
I sleep all day, out all night.
I know what you're doing.
:shades:
Level = med, cuz you guys are good.
There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief
There's too much confusion, there must be some relief.
I'll take either version, the original or later and better re-make.
It's been good to me so far?
You should save all those offensive and off-color posts in some sort of "Adults Only" forum. I bet it would be a big hit.
Of course you would have to "proof" all who entered. No reading that stuff until the kiddies are in bed.
Oldfarmer50
unpaid marketing consultant
BTW, that's Jimi Hendrix-All around the watch tower.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Double Jeopardy for $1,000 Alex.....the original "All Along the Watchtower" was penned by Bob Dylan.
Onto the dealerships......when I was helping my friend buy her Accord, and asking the sales person about his car sales career, he had his available hours (weekly work schedule) printed on his card. I inquired about some of the "older" feller's wandering around the showroom floor. There were two of them.
I asked if the were just "part time". He said they may as well be. Maybe Craig can shed some light on this. The sales person said that they work mostly days, some, but only a few Saturdays....no Sundays....rarely any nights unless they absolutely have to make an evening delivery. They take no "ups" and mostly work by appointment only. Their tenure is ranked in the years, not months.
I questioned their productivity. The sales person said they consistently rank among the sales leaders every month.
Would that be because they've been around so long they know most of the customers? Or, are they really that good that they don't have to work the prime selling hours of evenings and weekends?
Music trivia...
"One morning, I woke up
And I knew you were really gone
A new day, a new way, I knew
I should see it along"
Another...
"Oh my, my, Oh hell yes
Honey put on that party dress""
Last one....
"Ate an awful lot of late night drive in food
Drank a lot of take home pay
I thought I was the Duke of Earl
When I made it with a red haired girl in the Chevrolet"
consumer clinics pushed the styling towards a truck look because the consumer clinic voted that it looked safer :confuse:
same with the plastic inside,the clinic results favored a easy to clean surface.
The more pertinent question would be "would you buy a minivan that's easy to clean, but is made of material that's closely related to the materials you'd find in a "leggo" kit, would you buy it"?
The answer would probably be "No".
Looking at the stats, truck, minivan and SUV sales are down 20%-30% across the board. Dealers can't get enough 4 cyl cars. Hybrids now have waiting lists.
Took my Tahoe in for an oil change to my dealer yesterday. While I was waiting, I saw someone taking delivery of a Hybrid Tahoe. Sticker was north of $50K. Don't know what the guy paid for it, but I'd guess they got him for the full boat.
Dealer said he'd sell Hybrid Tahoes all day, every day, if GM would ramp up more production.
So, that means the desire for big vehicles hasn't subsided.....if they got decent fuel economy. I think the sticker said this Tahoe gets 20-21 MPG....same as you'd get with a 4 cyl Camry, or there about.
Mine (flex fuel) gets around 15-16 MPG in mixed driving. I'll get close to 19 MPG on the highway. From that perspective, it ain't that bad. To get those numbers, I have to set the cruise control to 60-65 MPH. In town, I coast a lot (to shut down cylinders). Very irritating. But, plant the "go peddle" to merge onto the highway, and MPG drops like a rock. The biggest culprit is stopping and idling for long periods of time.
My "3-er" gets good MPG....about 21MPG mixed. But, that's on the required premium juice. It costs the same (maybe a little more ) to fill up the BMW as it does the Tahoe.
You want to become more fuel efficient? Have each community abolish 10%-15% of the stop signs and red lights. Over the years, all these communities put up stop signs, red lights just about at every intersection. Why? For good or ill, there was a point in time where there were more people walking and traffic needed to be controlled to keep from making them road kill. Today, I'd say foot traffic has dropped 50% from where it was 10-20 years ago. Bottom line, we don't need nearly as many stop signs and traffic signals. Do that, and I'd bet every vehicle on the road would get 1-2 MPG better.
Crank up production of Tahoe/Yukon Hybrids and they'd sell like hotcakes.
Mack....I would imagine that those Highlinder hybrids are tough to keep in stock, too?
I know this is all very politically incorrect. Given some of the politicos and special interest groups choices, we'd all be riding around on Segways. It's "chic" to drive a Prius in CA. The vast majority of the rest of the country doesn't quite see it that way, though.
People want what they want.
Answer to the first song lyric....."Carry On" by CSN&Y.
Idiots :mad:
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Apologies to GraphicGuy, I hadn't gotten down to the bottom of the page when I posted. He got the answer first.
I called that dealership about a month ago for a quote on a new ignition coil when I had one go bad. They were about $10 higher ($90) than the other dealership I called. But, they were going to charge me about $95 in labor to change out two additional coils that I was thinking of changing out while the intake was pulled off.
The coils pull right out... might take a minute per coil. The other dealership wasn't going to charge me anything in labor for the two extra coils.
edited: One time I had an oil change and the service receipt stated they put in 10w-30 oil, when the manual calls for 5w-20. When I called asking why they didn't put in the recommended type oil, the service writer replied that there was some type of glitch in their computer system, and they put the correct oil in. Either one are okay to use, but I don't want the heavier oil in during cold winter months.
I go to the Oxmoor Mazda dealership for their $19 oil changes, transmission and coolant flushes. They run those services on special sale prices that are hard to beat.
The Procol Harum lyrics almost instantly translated into music in my head, as did the Petty song and Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower." Jimi's version, of course. What an intro...
And, topic-time, I really enjoy this forum: the denizens, the stories, the slightly off-topic non-offensive banter. Reading stories/thoughts from Mack/BR/ISell/GP from Bawstn/the psychotic deskman et al will stick in my mind as I buy my next car. I won't feel quite so bad as I'm getting clubbed.
Do I still want to sell cars as my next career? Don't know, people are so annoying!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)