It depends who manages the franchise. Many upstart auotmakers will resort to all types of selling tactics to drive traffic into the showroom.
Here locally a few Kia dealers would stock used upmarket luxury and sports cars, along with creative financing in order to attract customers. Whatever pays the bills I guess.
Here locally a few Kia dealers would stock used upmarket luxury and sports cars
That's interesting...we have a Mitsu dealership nearby that has fantastic used cars. That drives a lot of traffic, some people just wonder around looking at all the great luxury cars, it's like a mini car show. They also added a Kia dealership down the street.
Actually, that's not a bad idea, for all dealerships to consider, much better than having REV IT UP come in.
We had been getting these refill jobs at work until a few of them blew up. The look on the tech guys when they'd come to clean up a gooed up printer was priceless.
On copying a hard drive to an external drive - any recommended free programs?
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I must be tired from helping my wife prepare for my ten family members who are arriving at our house om Christmas Eve. I had the funniest thought when I read your post. You are always so diplomatic when moving posters with off topic discussions to another thread. I'm just waiting for the day that you say something like this:
"Attention! Move your sorry, cheap, dumb asses over to the thread on cartridge refills. If this happens again, you will receive an email notifying you to stay the hell away from Edmund's." Come on now. Wouldn't you just love to say that once? :P
Hey, I just saw this happen the other night. Jeremy Piven was the head merc. They did manage to move 300 cars in 3 days, including one of the original Smokey and the Bandit cars for some crazy amount of money, so they must be doing something right.
:P
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I was asked to go out to lunch with a couple guys today but I had something I wanted to get out of the way so I stayed at the office. I should have gone.
A guy I know has been having some car problems with a 2000 Altima with close to 200K. It’s been nickel and dimeing him for the last year to the tune of about $800, even had to get a battery last week. They get in the car it starts right up but the check engine light comes on and he says to the two other guys, “that’s it, I’m not going to lunch. I’ll drop you off at your car; I’m going to dump this thing right now”. The other guys say we’ll go along if you don’t mind”. He starts to drive off, the car is running fine then he gets on his cell phone and calls his wife and says, “I’m on my way to get a new car right now (tells her what happened) if you want to see what I’m getting meet me at ABC Nissan in about 25 minutes”.
He had been in contact with this dealer (same salesman he bought from in 2000) for about 2 weeks so he knew about what they had in stock and about what his price would be. He then calls to see if the salesman is in today but he is busy with another customer he’s told by the receptionist so he tells her to let him know he’s on the way.
They get there and his wife shows up about 15 minutes later. She said she had to put on some makeup that’s why she was late even though they live only about 3 miles from this dealership. He bought for what I’m told is a darn good price. $26,480 (plus taxes and the regular stuff) for a 2010 Altima, V6 with two packages but not the Nav package. Was told that also included a 1K rebate. I don’t know what he got for his trade but one of the guys told me he was to the point that he almost didn’t care (that doesn’t sound too good to me) but the price he got more than satisfied him and he compared that price to an offer he got without the CEL being on.
If I had gone I would have more details but I’m promised a ride out to lunch next year. Today was his last day. Not that I could have helped him but it would have been nice to watch someone else in action.
I have lousy priorities; I should have gone with them. :mad:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
The Hitachi DVD drive went south in my son's Xbox 360- out of warranty, natch. No biggie, I figured, I've swapped drives in and out of my PCs numerous times. Needless to say, being an Xbox and all, it turns out that the repair isn't nearly that simple. Each DVD drive is keyed to a specific Xbox. You have to take the old drive out, hook it to your PC via a SATA cable, and download and save its firmware. Next you upload the firmware to the new drive- but if you don't upload it the proper way you can brick your new drive. So it's screw around with a new drive or buy a new Xbox. I swear, if my son didn't love playing Xbox Live with his school pals so much I'd get out my Ruger P85 and use the cursed box for target practice. Rant off.
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No duhh. You could have slipped your friend one of the autographed copies of, "The Jipst Method of New Car Buying" books I sent you a few months ago. He probably would have saved a grand or two from what he paid.
By the way, you still haven't paid me for those books. :mad:
Come on now. Wouldn't you just love to say that once?
LoL!! Actually, no, the thought never occurred to me although if you sent one or two of those cocktails this way I might let something slip like "Go ahead, punk, make my day!" when the off topic banter becomes too protracted. :P
I was just counting the Christmas cards that have been sent to me. It's running "neck and neck" between the number I've got from car dealers/sales people, and the number I've received from family and friends.
I think I may be spending way too much time in dealerships.
And Richard, since I can't get to sleep, you might want to slide one of those cocktails over to me......Woodford Reserve, on the rocks, if you please.......
That particular store was fairly small. The owner was always looking for a "get sales quick" scheme. He learned the lesson because he told all of us (after a week or so) that he wasn't ever going to do that again. He received far too many complaints after the sale & was buried with paperwork after the sale trying to get all the missing pieces of paperwork together.
Then a month or so later he started getting tickets from the license plate that was being used by one of the shark salespeople.
I have lousy priorities; I should have gone with them.
You do have lousy priorities, in the interest of your friends here, you should have gone with and reported with first hand knowledge of the negotiation process.
It sounds like your friend did alright though, it sounds like a good car for a good price and he will probably get another 9 years use out of it.
Key point though, he had just put $800 into the old car to keep it going, that would have gone a long way to getting started on a new one. That is why, it is important to cut your losses, which brings me to the new book I am going to bring out, "How to Come out Ahead by Buying New = the Driver Method"
To illustrate briefly. Our desktop computer started to act up. It is used for business so is quite important. My initial reasoning was, just get a new one, it is 6 years old, it has cost about $80 a year pro-rated, buy a new one for $500, and it will last 5 years (and have Windows 7, lots more power etc.). However, we had the guy come and fix it. Cost $180, and we get it home and the mouse and keyboard don't work. We would have been way ahead just buying a new one. Using the prorated system, you have to be very lucky to come out ahead, by pouring money into a failing mechanical or computer product - for one thing parts and labor are just too expensive.
He probably would have saved a grand or two from what he paid.
I just went into Edmunds TMV for his 2010 V6 Altima and the price shown here in the Burgh area is $27,379 with the 1K rebate as best as I could configure his car with the top 2 packages without Nav and mats. So, I don’t know how he could have paid only $26,480 with the rebate. Something doesn’t sound right here. Where is GP? He can set me straight on this. If your book has a chapter on how to return a car and get an even better deal after it goes over the curb, I’m sure he’d be interested but I don’t know how that deal can be beaten.
Like I said I don’t know what he got for his trade so the dealer might have stolen it from him and plans to put some tape over the CEL and sell it to someone for top buck who hasn’t checked in here for advice or hasn’t read the chapter in your book about "checking for tape covering up a CEL" on used cars.
By the way, you still haven't paid me for those books.
I thought they were an early Christmas gift. I didn’t see a bill. I’ll erase the autographs if that helps. Does that mean my membership dues are going up in 2010? :confuse:
jmonroe
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I only lost my save for my latest game, which is no big deal.
So moral of the story is to save often because you never know.
verdugo....you just described the prescription to those who find themselves in financial straights, upside down on their trade-in, or looking for car well outside their budget......
that calculation applies to cars as wwell as appliance. I know the CR every so often publishes a guidline chart as to when it is better to replace particular appliances or electronics vs. trying to fix them.
Same should go for cars. With enough money, you can keep any car running virtually forever. But at some point, it isn't cost effective, if you can look beyond next week (and not everyone with a dead old car can!)
C4C probably forced the hand of many people keeping the old bomber running through IV's full of cash.
SHould also be a good selling technique, especially for salesguys that like to hunt game back in the service department.
Key point though, he had just put $800 into the old car to keep it going, that would have gone a long way to getting started on a new one. That is why, it is important to cut your losses, which brings me to the new book I am going to bring out, "How to Come out Ahead by Buying New = the Driver Method"
When I mentioned the $800 dollars he put into repairs, you were the first person I thought about when I posted that. He did decide to cut his losses but $800 is not a lot of money to put into a 9/10 year old car. However, I would probably have done the same thing. He was satisfied with the reliability of Altima’s which is why he bought another one. Son #1 has a 2003 Altima and he won’t hesitate to look at another one when the time comes. He’s even beaten his up a little at the track before he bought his dedicated ’95 Trans Am track car this past spring.
What is it with all these book? :confuse: I have a method of buying a car too. It would only be a couple of sentences but it is a tried and true method that I have used for years and so have several others here. But since I think I’m a little older than the others I may have used it first.
The “jmonroe 15/30 Minute Method” is:
(1) Do your research. This does not mean hours upon hours of gathering every conceivable statistics about lots of cars but you do have to put some time into this.
(2) Go into the dealership and make your offer. Only one is necessary. The dealer should be willing to take a mini and move onto those who want to grind all day. If your offer is not accepted, go elsewhere.
(3) There ain’t no number 3. The first two is all that’s needed.
BTW, I think this is what the Captain meant when he said, “ask jmonroe, he knows everything about our business”. I’m sure he meant the car buying part but I’ll forgive him for the mix up.
Since you’re in the book biz, maybe you can tell me how I should go about getting something like that bound/published and marketed. May I suggest something about the marketing step. Put it in your store on a table next to yours and ‘jip’s book for half the price. If you have a better idea I’m all ears. :surprise:
Thanks,
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I just went into Edmunds TMV for his 2010 V6 Altima and the price shown here in the Burgh area is $27,379 with the 1K rebate as best as I could configure his car with the top 2 packages without Nav and mats. So, I don’t know how he could have paid only $26,480 with the rebate.
2 reasons: one, TMV does not equal reality. I have never had any trouble beating TMV. two, it is very possible the number given includes the trade-in. So, for example, $500 better than TMV and $500 trade-in value could make up the difference.
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2 reasons: one, TMV does not equal reality. I have never had any trouble beating TMV. two, it is very possible the number given includes the trade-in. So, for example, $500 better than TMV and $500 trade-in value could make up the difference.
I agree about TMV prices but I have never beaten it by $900. I couldn’t believe he only got $500 for his trade so I just asked one of the guys who was with him what he got for his trade and he said they offered him $900 but he bumped them up to $1K even and the salesman didn’t even go to the desk for approval he just said OK right there at the table.
I looked up his trade here at Edmunds and average condition for an SE equipped like I was told says he’d get $1,022 (trade-in price) so that part plays out right. In fact, the guy that was with him was standing over my shoulder when I configured his trade and new car. I was also told that the price he got for the car was just that, the price for the car itself $26,480 so the trade was not figured into the deal.
I should take him with me the next time I shop. This guy should be giving pointers here. :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Hey, I just saw this happen the other night. Jeremy Piven was the head merc. They did manage to move 300 cars in 3 days, including one of the original Smokey and the Bandit cars for some crazy amount of money, so they must be doing something right.
We just saw that movie a couple of nights ago as well - VERY funny, IMO, but I think Don Ready & Co. pulled every known sleazy sales tactic along the way. Won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it ("The Goods"), but the final sale was the best.
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Oh, and for those of you who still haven't seen it, "Men of a Certain Age" on TNT is pretty darn good. The last episode focused heavily on Andre Braugher's character, who is a Chevy salesman at his dad's dealership. It provided good insight on what result can be achieved when you try too hard to make customers like you.
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I think somebody needs to write a book on how screwy instant oil change businesses are. I took the Regal into a Jiffy Boob today for an oil change. My "order taker" hollers out, "5W30 in Bay 1". I tell the young lad that my car takes 5 more than that... 10W30. Well, he says, it's winter and they recommend the lower grade viscosity. That's a bit presumptuous I'm thinking, you could at least ask. Or, maybe you have about 8 drums of 5W30 you have stored next to your furnace you got at wholesale? Anyhow, he puts in 10W30 at my request... doesn't check my tire pressure though.
I've never had anyone else do an oil change for me, up to and including the 350 Cummins, with its full-flow filter, Luberfiner & 11 gallons of oil every 10K miles.
I'm older and (much) fatter now, but I still do my own oil changes -- guess I'm just a control freak.
Plus which I know what got put into the vehicle and that I personally torqued the filter & drain plug.
Since you’re in the book biz, maybe you can tell me how I should go about getting something like that bound/published and marketed.
Sorry, i have been out all day. Had to drive 40 miles to get a Slimline HP computer, the first 10 stores I called were sold out...Xmas sales should be good this year. I had to practice what I preach, wish I had bought it earlier. Even if a large screen TV breaks down, if you get 5 years use and divide up your payments it is better to buy new. Just wasted $180 on the old PC and I think he forgot to install one RAM circuit, it operates at the speed of dial up.
The best way to sell a book is to publish it yourself which is pretty cheap these days. Then take it to some bookstores and see if they will put it on sale on consignment. They make 40% of the retail price. get on a few radio shows discussing your topic. Try to be controversial. If you get good sales use that to try to get a good agent, or come and see me....for 50% of the profits I'll get you on the best seller list.
One more thing, I actually like your methos of car buying.
Why would you take your car to these jiffy tube instant lube oil change places? They have no idea whatsoever about the make,mode ,specs.They see so many different car makes-they just will have no idea. And most of these guys are school dropouts or guys who don't even speak basic English and have no idea about the mechanical aspect. :sick:
The dealership oil change prices are very competitive nowadays. Most of them have oil change for around $40. Plus you get all the perks-- good facilities,flat TV's,wifi in some dealerships,shuttle drop off to your home or work and a chance to look around the dealer`s lot,plus the cute receptionist or cashier[ please don't flame me on this one] . :P
I would always go to a dealer for oil change. Are they perfect? No. But way way better than some roadside so called instant lube generic mechanic. Just MHO.
Why would you take your car to these jiffy tube instant lube oil change places?
Because jmonroe and pinhead live too far away to change my oil for me. Also, my oil was dirty and due for a change, Goodyear wanted me to leave my car with them, the dealership was too far to drive in this Xmas traffic, Jiffy Boob just happened to be next door to where I was shopping (no waiting), and final excuse... I've had almost as many bad experiences with the dealership changing my oil as the instant oil change places. The Jiffy Boob was more expensive than dealership by the way.
I put another notch in my jipster belt when I asked for, and was given, $5 off because I had left my coupon at home (true).
I would think you would know better than to take your car to one of those places.
'isell', we've had this discussion before and when I took my Genny to the dealer for it's first oil change I didn't get anything better than what 'jip' described.
Look at post 48671, 'pinhead' hit on the reasons why I also do my own oil changes. I'd like to add, like I've also said before, the inconvenience of nurse maiding your car (to and from the shop or dropping it off then going back to get it) is more than I want to do on top of the almost sure chance of it not being done right.
Until the day comes that I can't put a car on ramps and turn a wrench, I'll continue my old ways. To me, it's just not worth the risk.
My other pet peeve is not properly torquing the lug nuts and you've heard me rant about this too.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
...for 50% of the profits I'll get you on the best seller list.
For 50% of the take you should be buying me and you know who dinner at some of the best restaurants for the whole time period it is on that list. :mad:
I think I'll just make a million prints from my printer with refilled cartridges. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I'd like to respond to your post on restraint by hosts, but I do not wish to extend an extraneous topic after warning. However, I can think of many funny responses which must be suppressed.
Just returned from warm and sunny Tennessee today after spending wonderful days with misguided friends who have moved there from Ohio. What happened to Joel0622 who was from the general Nashville area? :confuse:
There are lots of dealerships boarded up in the region between Nashville and Murfreesboro. I suspect the economy has taken its toll along with GM/C dealer reductions. :sick:
A long driving day and coffee contributed to this post--I'm generally a teetotaller.
Only if maximum temps will be below a certain level, such as 60 deg. F. during the life of the oil change. If you're in cold climes then the 5W30 might give better starts and cold oiling.
Well, it doesn't even come close to the drama I went through buying my 2010 Acura TSX via Ca$h 4 Clunker$, but my Dad ordered his 2010 Chevy Tahoe LTZ this morning.
A few weeks ago we visited a local GM dealer (Grand Prize Chevrolet/Buick/GMC/Cadillac in Nanuet, NY). We spoke with a salesman who is also a car guy which was really cool. Anybody who's daily driver is an '08 Civic Si 6-speed at a GM dealer is OK in my book. He test drove the truck & liked it. They pushed for us to take the '09 LT Black/Beige Tahoe we test drove citing the 0% financing & greater discount over a 2010. The salesman went to the sales manager to get us a price on the 2010 LTZ Tahoe we were interested in (Red Jewel Tintcoat/Ebony Leather - Blind Spot warning system - NAV - Backup Camera - Towing Package). The guy comes back with a price that equates to $1500 off MSRP + Incentives. A reasonable first offer, but Full Size V8 Powered SUVs aren't exactly flying off the shelves. We thank the salesman politely for his time & tell him we'll be in touch.
We call back a week later and our phone call isn't returned - same thing happened 2 days after that. The salesmanager finally calls us back & knocks off another $1000. I ask him about the bumper to bumper extended warranty to match GM's 5 year/100k Powertrain. He tells me $2400.
We call up another Chevrolet Dealer. Now the dealer is about an hour north of where my Dad lives & is out of the way. We were good friends with the owner of this dealership many years ago - unfortunately he died. His son runs the place now & we met him a few times. We called up & told him what we were looking for. He faxed us the MSRP & selling price of the truck (invoice). We're taking the GM Extended Warranty. We'll ba taking delivery sometime in February (the lease is up on his '07 X5 2/21).
My question to you pros: Should I take the warranty with 0 deductible ($1050), $100 deductible(1250), or $200 deductible $1450?
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aren't those prices backwards? Shouldn't the higher deductible be the lowest cost?
anyway, my answer? Do you expect the truck to be problematic? If so, the 0 deduct is the best bet. If you are only getting it for piece of mind in case of catastrophic failure (although most of the real expensive stuff is part of the powertrain warranty), then get the $200 deduct and don't espect to use it. Especially since it seems your dad can certainly handle the $200 up front!
Me? Considering it is only 2 years of non-powertrain extension, I probably would put the cost into a fund and not bother with the warranty.
you're right - I did mix up the deductibles with the prices. The warranty is really just for piece of mind. The engine/transmission on the GM trucks doesn't concern me, but the NAV system does. If that goes, you're looking easily at $3500 - $4000 to replace it.
We've been import junkies in my family for a while. The service & reliability we've gotten from our Hondas (My '01 Prelude, My Sister's '07 Accord, & our '10 TSX) & BMWs (My wife's '07 X3, Dad's '07 X5, & Mom's '08 328xi, not to mention my Dad's former '04 X5 & Mom's '05 530i) has been beyond phenomenal. I know GM builds great trucks, but some of the things that can go wrong with the truck scare me.
OT - small world - I grew up in New City & now live in Westchester.
The Pizza at Nanuet Hotel is fantastic.
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I miss Joel, too. He hasn't posted in a very long time. I hope that all is well with him. He was one of the first posters that I met when I came here. Joel is a super nice person and rendered good advice to us all.
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Here locally a few Kia dealers would stock used upmarket luxury and sports cars, along with creative financing in order to attract customers. Whatever pays the bills I guess.
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I doubt it they are too busy talking about Ink refills on their printers. Poor guys get blamed for everything thats bad. Merry Christmas car Salesman
That's interesting...we have a Mitsu dealership nearby that has fantastic used cars.
That drives a lot of traffic, some people just wonder around looking at all the great luxury cars, it's like a mini car show. They also added a Kia dealership down the street.
Actually, that's not a bad idea, for all dealerships to consider, much better than having REV IT UP come in.
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Yes, I'm a salesman, just not cars. I do like to haggle but according to jmonroe I'm no good at it. :sick:
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We had been getting these refill jobs at work until a few of them blew up. The look on the tech guys when they'd come to clean up a gooed up printer was priceless.
On copying a hard drive to an external drive - any recommended free programs?
My Xbox just died. I had an external memory card where I had saved my old games. I only lost my save for my latest game, which is no big deal.
So moral of the story is to save often because you never know.
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No, No I wouldn't.
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I have an Epson and Walgreens won't refill them as they are a pigment based ink.
The only ones who don't like refilled cartridges are the printer name companies selling the new ones.
Have you ever talked to IT people about that? Most I know don't like them and they don't work for printer companies.
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"Attention! Move your sorry, cheap, dumb asses over to the thread on cartridge refills. If this happens again, you will receive an email notifying you to stay the hell away from Edmund's." Come on now. Wouldn't you just love to say that once? :P
Richard
My third cocktail contributed to this post.
Jeremy Piven was the head merc. They did manage to move 300 cars in 3 days, including one of the original Smokey and the Bandit cars for some crazy amount of money, so they must be doing something right.
:P
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I was asked to go out to lunch with a couple guys today but I had something I wanted to get out of the way so I stayed at the office. I should have gone.
A guy I know has been having some car problems with a 2000 Altima with close to 200K. It’s been nickel and dimeing him for the last year to the tune of about $800, even had to get a battery last week. They get in the car it starts right up but the check engine light comes on and he says to the two other guys, “that’s it, I’m not going to lunch. I’ll drop you off at your car; I’m going to dump this thing right now”. The other guys say we’ll go along if you don’t mind”. He starts to drive off, the car is running fine then he gets on his cell phone and calls his wife and says, “I’m on my way to get a new car right now (tells her what happened) if you want to see what I’m getting meet me at ABC Nissan in about 25 minutes”.
He had been in contact with this dealer (same salesman he bought from in 2000) for about 2 weeks so he knew about what they had in stock and about what his price would be. He then calls to see if the salesman is in today but he is busy with another customer he’s told by the receptionist so he tells her to let him know he’s on the way.
They get there and his wife shows up about 15 minutes later. She said she had to put on some makeup that’s why she was late even though they live only about 3 miles from this dealership. He bought for what I’m told is a darn good price. $26,480 (plus taxes and the regular stuff) for a 2010 Altima, V6 with two packages but not the Nav package. Was told that also included a 1K rebate. I don’t know what he got for his trade but one of the guys told me he was to the point that he almost didn’t care (that doesn’t sound too good to me) but the price he got more than satisfied him and he compared that price to an offer he got without the CEL being on.
If I had gone I would have more details but I’m promised a ride out to lunch next year. Today was his last day. Not that I could have helped him but it would have been nice to watch someone else in action.
I have lousy priorities; I should have gone with them. :mad:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
The Hitachi DVD drive went south in my son's Xbox 360- out of warranty, natch. No biggie, I figured, I've swapped drives in and out of my PCs numerous times. Needless to say, being an Xbox and all, it turns out that the repair isn't nearly that simple. Each DVD drive is keyed to a specific Xbox. You have to take the old drive out, hook it to your PC via a SATA cable, and download and save its firmware. Next you upload the firmware to the new drive- but if you don't upload it the proper way you can brick your new drive. So it's screw around with a new drive or buy a new Xbox. I swear, if my son didn't love playing Xbox Live with his school pals so much I'd get out my Ruger P85 and use the cursed box for target practice.
Rant off.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
One bit of good news; I took the MS3 to Carmax and they offered me $13,000. Pretty good, methinks.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
So if I got the trail right, you could do that and buy your friends M3. Or, for ~2K+ TTL (so maybe 3K total OOP), get that M5.
Either way, sounds like a nice upgrade to me.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
No duhh. You could have slipped your friend one of the autographed copies of, "The Jipst Method of New Car Buying" books I sent you a few months ago. He probably would have saved a grand or two from what he paid.
By the way, you still haven't paid me for those books. :mad:
LoL!! Actually, no, the thought never occurred to me although if you sent one or two of those cocktails this way I might let something slip like "Go ahead, punk, make my day!" when the off topic banter becomes too protracted. :P
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I think I may be spending way too much time in dealerships.
And Richard, since I can't get to sleep, you might want to slide one of those cocktails over to me......Woodford Reserve, on the rocks, if you please.......
Then a month or so later he started getting tickets from the license plate that was being used by one of the shark salespeople.
Sorry - couldn't resist.
You do have lousy priorities, in the interest of your friends here, you should have gone with and reported with first hand knowledge of the negotiation process.
It sounds like your friend did alright though, it sounds like a good car for a good price and he will probably get another 9 years use out of it.
Key point though, he had just put $800 into the old car to keep it going, that would have gone a long way to getting started on a new one. That is why, it is important to cut your losses, which brings me to the new book I am going to bring out, "How to Come out Ahead by Buying New = the Driver Method"
To illustrate briefly. Our desktop computer started to act up. It is used for business so is quite important. My initial reasoning was, just get a new one, it is 6 years old, it has cost about $80 a year pro-rated, buy a new one for $500, and it will last 5 years (and have Windows 7, lots more power etc.). However, we had the guy come and fix it. Cost $180, and we get it home and the mouse and keyboard don't work. We would have been way ahead just buying a new one. Using the prorated system, you have to be very lucky to come out ahead, by pouring money into a failing mechanical or computer product - for one thing parts and labor are just too expensive.
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I just went into Edmunds TMV for his 2010 V6 Altima and the price shown here in the Burgh area is $27,379 with the 1K rebate as best as I could configure his car with the top 2 packages without Nav and mats. So, I don’t know how he could have paid only $26,480 with the rebate. Something doesn’t sound right here. Where is GP? He can set me straight on this. If your book has a chapter on how to return a car and get an even better deal after it goes over the curb, I’m sure he’d be interested but I don’t know how that deal can be beaten.
Like I said I don’t know what he got for his trade so the dealer might have stolen it from him and plans to put some tape over the CEL and sell it to someone for top buck who hasn’t checked in here for advice or hasn’t read the chapter in your book about "checking for tape covering up a CEL" on used cars.
By the way, you still haven't paid me for those books.
I thought they were an early Christmas gift. I didn’t see a bill. I’ll erase the autographs if that helps. Does that mean my membership dues are going up in 2010? :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
So moral of the story is to save often because you never know.
verdugo....you just described the prescription to those who find themselves in financial straights, upside down on their trade-in, or looking for car well outside their budget......
Same should go for cars. With enough money, you can keep any car running virtually forever. But at some point, it isn't cost effective, if you can look beyond next week (and not everyone with a dead old car can!)
C4C probably forced the hand of many people keeping the old bomber running through IV's full of cash.
SHould also be a good selling technique, especially for salesguys that like to hunt game back in the service department.
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When I mentioned the $800 dollars he put into repairs, you were the first person I thought about when I posted that. He did decide to cut his losses but $800 is not a lot of money to put into a 9/10 year old car. However, I would probably have done the same thing. He was satisfied with the reliability of Altima’s which is why he bought another one. Son #1 has a 2003 Altima and he won’t hesitate to look at another one when the time comes. He’s even beaten his up a little at the track before he bought his dedicated ’95 Trans Am track car this past spring.
What is it with all these book? :confuse: I have a method of buying a car too. It would only be a couple of sentences but it is a tried and true method that I have used for years and so have several others here. But since I think I’m a little older than the others I may have used it first.
The “jmonroe 15/30 Minute Method” is:
(1) Do your research. This does not mean hours upon hours of gathering every conceivable statistics about lots of cars but you do have to put some time into this.
(2) Go into the dealership and make your offer. Only one is necessary. The dealer should be willing to take a mini and move onto those who want to grind all day. If your offer is not accepted, go elsewhere.
(3) There ain’t no number 3. The first two is all that’s needed.
BTW, I think this is what the Captain meant when he said, “ask jmonroe, he knows everything about our business”. I’m sure he meant the car buying part but I’ll forgive him for the mix up.
Since you’re in the book biz, maybe you can tell me how I should go about getting something like that bound/published and marketed. May I suggest something about the marketing step. Put it in your store on a table next to yours and ‘jip’s book for half the price. If you have a better idea I’m all ears. :surprise:
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jmonroe
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2 reasons: one, TMV does not equal reality. I have never had any trouble beating TMV. two, it is very possible the number given includes the trade-in. So, for example, $500 better than TMV and $500 trade-in value could make up the difference.
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I agree about TMV prices but I have never beaten it by $900. I couldn’t believe he only got $500 for his trade so I just asked one of the guys who was with him what he got for his trade and he said they offered him $900 but he bumped them up to $1K even and the salesman didn’t even go to the desk for approval he just said OK right there at the table.
I looked up his trade here at Edmunds and average condition for an SE equipped like I was told says he’d get $1,022 (trade-in price) so that part plays out right. In fact, the guy that was with him was standing over my shoulder when I configured his trade and new car. I was also told that the price he got for the car was just that, the price for the car itself $26,480 so the trade was not figured into the deal.
I should take him with me the next time I shop. This guy should be giving pointers here. :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Jeremy Piven was the head merc. They did manage to move 300 cars in 3 days, including one of the original Smokey and the Bandit cars for some crazy amount of money, so they must be doing something right.
We just saw that movie a couple of nights ago as well - VERY funny, IMO, but I think Don Ready & Co. pulled every known sleazy sales tactic along the way. Won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it ("The Goods"), but the final sale was the best.
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I think somebody needs to write a book on how screwy instant oil change businesses are. I took the Regal into a Jiffy Boob today for an oil change. My "order taker" hollers out, "5W30 in Bay 1". I tell the young lad that my car takes 5 more than that... 10W30. Well, he says, it's winter and they recommend the lower grade viscosity. That's a bit presumptuous I'm thinking, you could at least ask. Or, maybe you have about 8 drums of 5W30 you have stored next to your furnace you got at wholesale? Anyhow, he puts in 10W30 at my request... doesn't check my tire pressure though.
I'm older and (much) fatter now, but I still do my own oil changes -- guess I'm just a control freak.
Plus which I know what got put into the vehicle and that I personally torqued the filter & drain plug.
Sorry, i have been out all day. Had to drive 40 miles to get a Slimline HP computer, the first 10 stores I called were sold out...Xmas sales should be good this year. I had to practice what I preach, wish I had bought it earlier. Even if a large screen TV breaks down, if you get 5 years use and divide up your payments it is better to buy new. Just wasted $180 on the old PC and I think he forgot to install one RAM circuit, it operates at the speed of dial up.
The best way to sell a book is to publish it yourself which is pretty cheap these days. Then take it to some bookstores and see if they will put it on sale on consignment. They make 40% of the retail price. get on a few radio shows discussing your topic. Try to be controversial. If you get good sales use that to try to get a good agent, or come and see me....for 50% of the profits I'll get you on the best seller list.
One more thing, I actually like your methos of car buying.
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The dealership oil change prices are very competitive nowadays. Most of them have oil change for around $40. Plus you get all the perks-- good facilities,flat TV's,wifi in some dealerships,shuttle drop off to your home or work and a chance to look around the dealer`s lot,plus the cute receptionist or cashier[ please don't flame me on this one] . :P
I would always go to a dealer for oil change. Are they perfect? No. But way way better than some roadside so called instant lube generic mechanic. Just MHO.
Because jmonroe and pinhead live too far away to change my oil for me. Also, my oil was dirty and due for a change, Goodyear wanted me to leave my car with them, the dealership was too far to drive in this Xmas traffic, Jiffy Boob just happened to be next door to where I was shopping (no waiting), and final excuse... I've had almost as many bad experiences with the dealership changing my oil as the instant oil change places. The Jiffy Boob was more expensive than dealership by the way.
I put another notch in my jipster belt when I asked for, and was given, $5 off because I had left my coupon at home (true).
'isell', we've had this discussion before and when I took my Genny to the dealer for it's first oil change I didn't get anything better than what 'jip' described.
Look at post 48671, 'pinhead' hit on the reasons why I also do my own oil changes. I'd like to add, like I've also said before, the inconvenience of nurse maiding your car (to and from the shop or dropping it off then going back to get it) is more than I want to do on top of the almost sure chance of it not being done right.
Until the day comes that I can't put a car on ramps and turn a wrench, I'll continue my old ways. To me, it's just not worth the risk.
My other pet peeve is not properly torquing the lug nuts and you've heard me rant about this too.
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For 50% of the take you should be buying me and you know who dinner at some of the best restaurants for the whole time period it is on that list. :mad:
I think I'll just make a million prints from my printer with refilled cartridges. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
BMW - 15000 miles between oil changes and they are free for 3 years! :P
I know, you all will say they aren't free, but in their own way they are. It's a nice touch.
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I still change the oil myself at @7,000 miles and let the dealer change it at the 15,000 mile interval.
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That may be true here and there, as in any business, but I don't think it's wise to make wild generalizations like that.
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Just returned from warm and sunny Tennessee today after spending wonderful days with misguided friends who have moved there from Ohio. What happened to Joel0622 who was from the general Nashville area? :confuse:
There are lots of dealerships boarded up in the region between Nashville and Murfreesboro. I suspect the economy has taken its toll along with GM/C dealer reductions. :sick:
A long driving day and coffee contributed to this post--I'm generally a teetotaller.
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Only if maximum temps will be below a certain level, such as 60 deg. F. during the life of the oil change. If you're in cold climes then the 5W30 might give better starts and cold oiling.
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A few weeks ago we visited a local GM dealer (Grand Prize Chevrolet/Buick/GMC/Cadillac in Nanuet, NY). We spoke with a salesman who is also a car guy which was really cool. Anybody who's daily driver is an '08 Civic Si 6-speed at a GM dealer is OK in my book. He test drove the truck & liked it. They pushed for us to take the '09 LT Black/Beige Tahoe we test drove citing the 0% financing & greater discount over a 2010. The salesman went to the sales manager to get us a price on the 2010 LTZ Tahoe we were interested in (Red Jewel Tintcoat/Ebony Leather - Blind Spot warning system - NAV - Backup Camera - Towing Package). The guy comes back with a price that equates to $1500 off MSRP + Incentives. A reasonable first offer, but Full Size V8 Powered SUVs aren't exactly flying off the shelves. We thank the salesman politely for his time & tell him we'll be in touch.
We call back a week later and our phone call isn't returned - same thing happened 2 days after that. The salesmanager finally calls us back & knocks off another $1000. I ask him about the bumper to bumper extended warranty to match GM's 5 year/100k Powertrain. He tells me $2400.
We call up another Chevrolet Dealer. Now the dealer is about an hour north of where my Dad lives & is out of the way. We were good friends with the owner of this dealership many years ago - unfortunately he died. His son runs the place now & we met him a few times. We called up & told him what we were looking for. He faxed us the MSRP & selling price of the truck (invoice). We're taking the GM Extended Warranty. We'll ba taking delivery sometime in February (the lease is up on his '07 X5 2/21).
My question to you pros: Should I take the warranty with 0 deductible ($1050), $100 deductible(1250), or $200 deductible $1450?
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anyway, my answer? Do you expect the truck to be problematic? If so, the 0 deduct is the best bet. If you are only getting it for piece of mind in case of catastrophic failure (although most of the real expensive stuff is part of the powertrain warranty), then get the $200 deduct and don't espect to use it. Especially since it seems your dad can certainly handle the $200 up front!
Me? Considering it is only 2 years of non-powertrain extension, I probably would put the cost into a fund and not bother with the warranty.
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We've been import junkies in my family for a while. The service & reliability we've gotten from our Hondas (My '01 Prelude, My Sister's '07 Accord, & our '10 TSX) & BMWs (My wife's '07 X3, Dad's '07 X5, & Mom's '08 328xi, not to mention my Dad's former '04 X5 & Mom's '05 530i) has been beyond phenomenal. I know GM builds great trucks, but some of the things that can go wrong with the truck scare me.
OT - small world - I grew up in New City & now live in Westchester.
The Pizza at Nanuet Hotel is fantastic.
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