Wow, fast cars, guns...you guys down south have all the fun. Up here in Nanny York there are speed traps every 2 feet and if you even mention guns you are shunned like you have an STD. Takes all the fun out.
My only hope is I'm leaving for Tampa tomorrow for a week of fun and sun. There is a shooting range I go to where they have a machine gun on the wall with a sign that says: "You can legally own this". I'd never buy it but maybe I can take it out for a "test drive".
Merry Christmas all.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
nyc...my experience with current gen of Tahoe is that they don't need extended warranty. Understand, I'm a sample size of ONE.
Mine is an LTZ, equipped exactly the way the one you spec'd. I've had mine for 3+ years. Only thing I've done is to change the oil and rotate the tires....literally, that's it. I had one warranty issue about 3 months into ownership. Apparently, DELCO had a rash of bad batteries. Mine went dead, and the dealer towed my vehicle to their shop, gave me a rental, and replaced the battery. They returned my Tahoe to me, with the new battery, haven't had one issue since, not even a squeak or rattle. I've got 40K+ miles on it, and plan to replace the tires next month. That's expected, though.
GM designed and built this platform carefully, using very nice materials. They use it for not only the Tahoe, but for the Suburban, Avalanche, GMC Yukon, and Cadillac Escalade. GM got the current series right with these vehicles.
I've towed with it. I've hauled with it. I've taken many a long trip with it, in sunshine, rain, sleet, snow, ice, and everything in between. It's never hiccuped, except for the early battery issue.
Chevy even sent me an updated NAV disk, at not charge.
The warranty is really just for piece[sic] of mind. The engine/transmission on the GM trucks doesn't concern me, but the NAV system does. If that goes, you're looking easily at $3500 - $4000 to replace it.
No, you'd be looking at $250 for a new Garmin or TomTom. If the factory NAV is the main reason why you're even considering an extended warranty in the 1st place, then the already ridiculous price spread between the factory system & a good aftermarket unit goes up by another $1000+. At that point, is it even remotely rational to spend all those extra dollars on the factory system?
(The factory system in my wife's Lexus cost at least 6 times as much as my 4-year-old Garmin. It has, at most, 10 percent more functionality. It's also harder to use.)
Back in the 70s, I bought an extended warranty on a new car from a company that went belly up 2 years later. After that, I swore that I'd never again buy an EW. Since then, I've owned just 1 car for which an EW might have provided some benefit: an early 80s Audi.
When it comes to financial stuff, I'm a belt & suspenders guy. If you have enough money in the bank, you don't need an extended warranty. If you think that you do, that means that you don't have enough money in the bank. The best EW on the market is a lousy substitute for a fat bank account.
>No, you'd be looking at $250 for a new Garmin or TomTom.
I bought a 4.3 in screen TomTom for 73$ (Bing shopping rebate, Walmart XL325SE)on suggestion from the discussion topic members here. Spoken street names, 1 map update, etc.).
>extended warranty
I'd shop the car brand warranty through dealers, buying via internet. One or more sells GMPP extended warranties through internet at a discount--Black Cadillac in PA, e.g.
Buying early saves money and can buy up to expiration of original 3 or 4 year warranty. Contact seller for correct info in advance.
Absolutely the 0 ded/$1450 is the best.. For 7yr/100k miles of warranty ,if you keep your suv till 7yrs,then definitely worth it. CR rates the tahoe`s reliability as worse than average-25% below average--so much more of a chance that you will use it. Even 1 visit- and the warr pays for itself. Enjoy the Tahoe. :shades:
Why would you take your car to these jiffy tube instant lube oil change places? They have no idea whatsoever about the make,mode ,specs.They see so many different car makes-they just will have no idea. And most of these guys are school dropouts or guys who don't even speak basic English and have no idea about the mechanical aspect
Wow thanks for that insult. I ran a single point non-chain family own oil change and light repair place all through college and a couple of years after. Thinking back to all my employees I don't think a single one was high school drop out. Most of them were attending college or trade school at the time and the owner plus the two other managers had ASE certification. The owner actually had a Master ASE certification. I never bothered to get my ASE certification but I could have I just never planned on staying in the car business at all past college so I didn't go through with it.
We had a state of the art computer system that printed out all the specs for every car and no one added fluids to a car till the system spit out the info. You could also look in the owner's manual if you weren't sure. I knew the correct specs for just about every mass produced car we saw commonly just because I had been there so long. I could rattle off part numbers for all the common filters, capacities for most engines on just about any car and yes we checked the tires.
Just about any gas powered car built in the last decade or two is fine to use 5w30 in. In the cold months using 5w30 on a car speced for 10w30 originally is a good idea. Many newer cars use 5w20, Ford and Honda mostly, and that is the spec you should use as 5w20 is at the very least a highly refined petroleum oil with some synthetic properties if not a true synthetic or semi-synthetic.
Lots of euro cars actually spec out 5w40 though few places carry it. I used 5w40 in my MINI and that engine was very happy with that oil.
Instead of berating people for making widely inaccurate, over generalizing statements about things they know nothing about I might come out with a sales story or two.
I just received a letter in the mail stating: " You purchased your car 22 months ago. The original warranty is about to or has expired". It then went on to try and sell me an EW.
The thing is my Eclipse has a 10year/100,000 mile factory warranty.
Do people really fall for this lame stuff? :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
"Winter." It means the oil behaves as if it's a 5 weight oil in colder temps for starting while it behaves as a 30 weight oil when at warmer temps such as a warmed motor. Its viscosity is still higher as a 5W or 10W at cold temps than the same oil is at hot temps. However, the 30 weight oil would be very viscous compared to the 5W/10W at cold temps for starting.
I'm sure they do. Same as the phone calls I get relating same (even though I am many years out of warranty, and even though I'm on the no-call list). Soon as I ask for a company name I hear CLICK, then nuttin
Yes basically the "W" means the oil is winter approved for cold weather temps. That is why straight 30 or 40 monograde oils don't say W30 on them. The 5 is the oil's viscosity rating at start up and cold temps and the 20 or 30 or 40 whatever is the viscosity rating at operation temperature.
Try pouring some straight 30 monograde oil out of a bottle when it is near freezing and watch what happens.
As oil ages though it loses its ability to change viscosity which is why very long drain intervals can be iffy even if you don't drive many miles. Three to six months is the max I would wait on an oil change for regular non-synthetic oil even if I drove very few miles. I wouldn't push most synthetics past a year because the additive package starts to break down and you end up with a straight monograde oil instead of a multi-viscosity oil.
I'm glad you are happy changing your own oil. For me, it's not worth it. Crawling under the car, disposing of the old oil etc..I'm done with those days.
The quickie places often use cheap oil filters and they try to see how many cars they can get through in a day. I'[ve watched them shove the drain plugs in while the oil was still dripping pretty good.
Yes, the dealers can make mistakes but your chances are much better and the prices are probably the same.
As far as using 10-30 vs. 5-30, in the life of a car, it wouldn't make one iota of difference.
Remember that people who buy EWs are not, for the most part, well-versed in money matters. (If they were, they'd know that almost every recognized authority on personal finance recommends against EWs.)
I use straight 30 in my Toro (lawn mower). In the cooler days of March/April and October/November it's a little stiffer to crank. This year in late November it was a bear to crank to get started. Multiweight oils break down faster at the extra high temps used in the air-cooled lawn mower motor, so they are not good choices, even though the books may say they're okay to use.
If a dealership, or Jiffy Boob type of place, wants to deviate from the manufacturer specified oil viscosity, then they should ask. I won't let my waitresses at Hooters bring me a draft beer when I wanted bottled... then tell me draft is easier to metabolize during the winter months. Bad business to shove something down the customers throat without asking first.
I know 5W30 won't hurt, but I want the oil the engineers designed the car for... says it in big bold letters on the oil filler cap. The winters here in Louisville really aren't that cold anyhow. The funny thing about this, is I took the MPV into the dealership for a oil change only about 3 weeks ago. I told the service advisor I wanted 5W20. "OH" he says, "We always put the oil grade in that the manufacturer suggests." Uhhh... no... you don't. :surprise:
Anywho, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.
I'[ve watched them shove the drain plugs in while the oil was still dripping pretty good.
That's exactly what I watched the kid at the dealers lube center do when he was giving my Genesis it's first oil change. When I stopped him he said, "it won't hurt a thing, I do it like this all the time". I told him to let it drain and when he pulled the filter the air that entered the system would help chase out even more oil. When I told him that he looked at me like I had two heads. This kid didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about.
I'm glad you are happy changing your own oil. For me, it's not worth it.
I am happy doing it myself and for me it is worth it.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Hey Boomer, that little rascal looks like a keeper!! He already has a gleam in his eye, and will probably be a handful.... but that is the best kind !!
I just typed the work blizzard in all caps...and it looks like buzzard !!
Anyway, we had 11 inches of snow overnight, wind out of the north at 30 mph, gusting to 40, and around 13 degrees. Storm stretched from Texas to Canada.
We are warm and toasty inside so Merry Christmas everyone !!
Thanks. I got the drive cleared with my trusty snow blower and the snow plow has made one swipe thru the neighborhood so we should be fine.
Had to cancel a dinner party last night and son #2 probably won't make it for Christmas dinner...but we are still properly THANKFUL !! It could have been much worse.
It's interesting that you would ask that. I would have been satisfied if my grandkids called me ‘jmonroe’ but Son #1, since he had our first grandchild, a boy, wanted his kids to call me Pap Pap and Son #2 agreed with him because they had a Pap Pap. I hope I can give mine the same good memories their Pap Pap gave them.
We will be going over to my brothers for dinner tonight (no problems with the weather here in the Burgh, just a little rain) and we’ll be watching “Christmas Vacation” as usual, can’t change that tradition. Even the grandkids enjoy that ritual.
I hope all my friends here at Edmunds have as an enjoyable a Christmas as the ‘jmonroe’ family.
Merry Christmas,
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Those of us in the South always wish for a white Christmas. Based on what you have, perhaps we shouldn't wish so hard. We awoke to lots of rain and 55 degrees. It's nice to just stay inside and enjoy the tree and the good food.
Of course, I don't have a clue what you are talking about either. Pulling the oil filter lets air enter the system which "chases" out more oil???
Oh, the things I learn on these forums!
Gee, I thought the basic laws of physics were known by more than just the people who are in the ranks, so let me explain, if I can. When air enters a space it fills that space and if in this case, oil is there, and since two objects can’t occupy the same space at the same time, the air that entered the space will “push” (is that a better word?) the oil out of that space. Remember the old way of getting pop (soda in some parts of the country) to flow better from a can was to put two holes (opposite each other) in the top with a can opener. Same thing with a can of chocolate syrup. The same principle that applies to the two examples I just mentioned also applies to many others which the student can ponder.
Did you really need that explanation or are you just being your old argumentative self, even on Christmas? Merry Christmas to you too.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
LOL! Christmas in west Texas means lots of sunshine ! It snowed maybe half inch yesterday- and it snows maybe once a year in West Texas- and guess what-- a severe weather warning advisory was issued. :shades:
I was surprised to know that folks here have no idea of how to drive on even the slightest snow or wet conditions even though I have been in west Texas for quite some time ! All we folks do is drive 80mph on the freeways. Oh ,so different than driving in Newyork city and not paying outrageous rates for Manhattan parking. Also, snow is considered a huge event for us West Texas unlike 4 months of northeast snow :P !!
Um...Well, I guess pulling the filter could coax a few more drops out...maybe.
I've changed a lot of oil in my time and I can't remember that ever happening but, hey, if it makes you feel better, go for it.
I just wait until the drips are longer than about ten seconds apart. That's good enough for me!
More than just a “few” drops will come out when you pull the filter on the cars I’ve had. However, not all cars are the same but if you remember what I said about two holes in the top of a can of pop, when you take the filter out in addition to removing the oil filler cap, you now have two holes (openings) in the oil system where air can enter to help more oil drain out. Without dismantling the system this is the best way to let air enter the system and since you’re going to pull the filter anyway, my reasoning is to do it first and then put the oil pan drain plug back in last using your 10 seconds method for drips. Pretty clever huh?
I just figured having the oil cap off would accomplsih the same thing.
Darn it, I just explained that, didn’t I?
No, wait!...I don't change my own oil anymore....maybe when I retire I'll buy another set of ramps?
By the time you retire I won’t need my ramps, so I’ll list mine on eBay and if you’re the top bidder you’ll get mine. Nah, just kidding, if you really plan to do this just give me a call and you can have them free of charge. That’s the least I can do for you for all the enjoyment we’ve given each other over the years.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I hope you get the box filled with want you've always wanted so that you can get a nice new car to drive around on the hockey rink and in the snow. Let us know what yall get.
Have a nice holiday.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
you've always wanted so that you can get a nice new car to drive around on the hockey rink and in the snow.
Actually, it was kind of a green Christmas around the Niagara Falls/ Toronto area, temperature here today is about 40 F and we are getting light rain, the remnants of the storm that went across the U.S. midwest. We have had one snow fall so far this year, and that was about 3 inches of snow. At least we are prepared, most cars have all wheel drive or snow tires (and in Quebec it is mandatory to use snow tires in the winter).
I was just reading a motoring article that said AWD is a little over-rated, it is good for starting and for moving on snow and ice but doesn't help much with steering and braking (that's why you see so many Jeeps etc in the ditch after a snow storm). So, you would be better off not buying AWD (which is more expensive to begin with, adds extra weight so gas mileage is not as good, and is more complex so needs more service and possibly repairs). You are better off getting a good set of snow tires.
I still like AWD, had it on the X3 and never got stuck. I have snow tires on the 3 Cabriolet and they actually do work even better than AWD, but you do have to change them over twice a year, and you don't get the superior traction on slick roads.
Have a Happy Holiday and don't get stuck in the snow, or slide off the road if it is rainy.
Depends on the engine you are working on. An engine with a higher mounted oil filter or one of the newer canister style filters will let a bit more oil out when you take the filter off.
Any jeep with the old 4.0 inline six is a good example of that style of filter setup where a little more oil will come out. The best two examples though are the GM Ecotec 4 cylinders that have a small canister filter mounted up near the level of the intake manifold. To get all the oil out of one of those engines you need to remove the oil cap, remove the drain plug and then just crack the seal on that canister. Probably about two or three turns will do it and that will let out an additional 0.5 to 0.75 quarts of oil. Once the oil is dripping you remove the canister the rest of the way and most of the oil will be out of the canister so you aren't spilling oil all over the place. Oil won't get trapped in the sump as it drops out the bottom of the canister when you pull it out.
The best spin on example of oil getting trapped in the system if you remove the filter after you replace the drain plug are the 13B rotary motors that Mazda used in most of the RX-7s. That filter is mounted very high actually above the entire engine on a little finned heat sink and there is close to half a quart in the lines and heat sink that won't come out unless you pull the filter while the oil is draining from the plug.
For plenty of cars it just doesn't matter. Almost anything that has a mid mount or low mount oil spin on oil filter taking the filter off before, during or after the oil drains from the plug changes nothing. The system is just too close to equilibrium with the sump so nothing extra comes out. The oil will either come out of that part of the housing or it won't and there is nothing short of blowing compressed air into the filter housing, which is a bad idea might pop a seal, that will get it out.
Oh and a very short sales story maybe I will give you a longer one later if it is slow.
Our newest salesman sold a new SAAB this morning and they are picking up right now on the spot. Yes a NEW SAAB.
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Wow, fast cars, guns...you guys down south have all the fun. Up here in Nanny York there are speed traps every 2 feet and if you even mention guns you are shunned like you have an STD. Takes all the fun out.
My only hope is I'm leaving for Tampa tomorrow for a week of fun and sun. There is a shooting range I go to where they have a machine gun on the wall with a sign that says: "You can legally own this". I'd never buy it but maybe I can take it out for a "test drive".
Merry Christmas all.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Mine is an LTZ, equipped exactly the way the one you spec'd. I've had mine for 3+ years. Only thing I've done is to change the oil and rotate the tires....literally, that's it. I had one warranty issue about 3 months into ownership. Apparently, DELCO had a rash of bad batteries. Mine went dead, and the dealer towed my vehicle to their shop, gave me a rental, and replaced the battery. They returned my Tahoe to me, with the new battery, haven't had one issue since, not even a squeak or rattle. I've got 40K+ miles on it, and plan to replace the tires next month. That's expected, though.
GM designed and built this platform carefully, using very nice materials. They use it for not only the Tahoe, but for the Suburban, Avalanche, GMC Yukon, and Cadillac Escalade. GM got the current series right with these vehicles.
I've towed with it. I've hauled with it. I've taken many a long trip with it, in sunshine, rain, sleet, snow, ice, and everything in between. It's never hiccuped, except for the early battery issue.
Chevy even sent me an updated NAV disk, at not charge.
No, you'd be looking at $250 for a new Garmin or TomTom. If the factory NAV is the main reason why you're even considering an extended warranty in the 1st place, then the already ridiculous price spread between the factory system & a good aftermarket unit goes up by another $1000+. At that point, is it even remotely rational to spend all those extra dollars on the factory system?
(The factory system in my wife's Lexus cost at least 6 times as much as my 4-year-old Garmin. It has, at most, 10 percent more functionality. It's also harder to use.)
Back in the 70s, I bought an extended warranty on a new car from a company that went belly up 2 years later. After that, I swore that I'd never again buy an EW. Since then, I've owned just 1 car for which an EW might have provided some benefit: an early 80s Audi.
When it comes to financial stuff, I'm a belt & suspenders guy. If you have enough money in the bank, you don't need an extended warranty. If you think that you do, that means that you don't have enough money in the bank. The best EW on the market is a lousy substitute for a fat bank account.
I bought a 4.3 in screen TomTom for 73$ (Bing shopping rebate, Walmart XL325SE)on suggestion from the discussion topic members here. Spoken street names, 1 map update, etc.).
>extended warranty
I'd shop the car brand warranty through dealers, buying via internet. One or more sells GMPP extended warranties through internet at a discount--Black Cadillac in PA, e.g.
Buying early saves money and can buy up to expiration of original 3 or 4 year warranty. Contact seller for correct info in advance.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Wow thanks for that insult. I ran a single point non-chain family own oil change and light repair place all through college and a couple of years after. Thinking back to all my employees I don't think a single one was high school drop out. Most of them were attending college or trade school at the time and the owner plus the two other managers had ASE certification. The owner actually had a Master ASE certification. I never bothered to get my ASE certification but I could have I just never planned on staying in the car business at all past college so I didn't go through with it.
We had a state of the art computer system that printed out all the specs for every car and no one added fluids to a car till the system spit out the info. You could also look in the owner's manual if you weren't sure. I knew the correct specs for just about every mass produced car we saw commonly just because I had been there so long. I could rattle off part numbers for all the common filters, capacities for most engines on just about any car and yes we checked the tires.
Just about any gas powered car built in the last decade or two is fine to use 5w30 in. In the cold months using 5w30 on a car speced for 10w30 originally is a good idea. Many newer cars use 5w20, Ford and Honda mostly, and that is the spec you should use as 5w20 is at the very least a highly refined petroleum oil with some synthetic properties if not a true synthetic or semi-synthetic.
Lots of euro cars actually spec out 5w40 though few places carry it. I used 5w40 in my MINI and that engine was very happy with that oil.
Random bit of trivia for the day:
What does the "W" in 10W30 or 5W30 stand for?
Interesting. I won't give the answer since I had to look it up. It doesn't feel right to win the prize this way. BTW, what is the prize?
Is that a threat? :shades:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
The thing is my Eclipse has a 10year/100,000 mile factory warranty.
Do people really fall for this lame stuff? :confuse:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
"Winter." It means the oil behaves as if it's a 5 weight oil in colder temps for starting while it behaves as a 30 weight oil when at warmer temps such as a warmed motor. Its viscosity is still higher as a 5W or 10W at cold temps than the same oil is at hot temps. However, the 30 weight oil would be very viscous compared to the 5W/10W at cold temps for starting.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Try pouring some straight 30 monograde oil out of a bottle when it is near freezing and watch what happens.
As oil ages though it loses its ability to change viscosity which is why very long drain intervals can be iffy even if you don't drive many miles. Three to six months is the max I would wait on an oil change for regular non-synthetic oil even if I drove very few miles. I wouldn't push most synthetics past a year because the additive package starts to break down and you end up with a straight monograde oil instead of a multi-viscosity oil.
The quickie places often use cheap oil filters and they try to see how many cars they can get through in a day. I'[ve watched them shove the drain plugs in while the oil was still dripping pretty good.
Yes, the dealers can make mistakes but your chances are much better and the prices are probably the same.
As far as using 10-30 vs. 5-30, in the life of a car, it wouldn't make one iota of difference.
Remember that people who buy EWs are not, for the most part, well-versed in money matters. (If they were, they'd know that almost every recognized authority on personal finance recommends against EWs.)
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
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I know 5W30 won't hurt, but I want the oil the engineers designed the car for... says it in big bold letters on the oil filler cap. The winters here in Louisville really aren't that cold anyhow. The funny thing about this, is I took the MPV into the dealership for a oil change only about 3 weeks ago. I told the service advisor I wanted 5W20. "OH" he says, "We always put the oil grade in that the manufacturer suggests." Uhhh... no... you don't. :surprise:
Anywho, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
That's exactly what I watched the kid at the dealers lube center do when he was giving my Genesis it's first oil change. When I stopped him he said, "it won't hurt a thing, I do it like this all the time". I told him to let it drain and when he pulled the filter the air that entered the system would help chase out even more oil. When I told him that he looked at me like I had two heads. This kid didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about.
I'm glad you are happy changing your own oil. For me, it's not worth it.
I am happy doing it myself and for me it is worth it.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE !!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Thanks for posting the picture.
Merry Christmas to all my friends here on Edmunds.
Have a great and safe holiday period.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Anyway, we had 11 inches of snow overnight, wind out of the north at 30 mph, gusting to 40, and around 13 degrees. Storm stretched from Texas to Canada.
We are warm and toasty inside so Merry Christmas everyone !!
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Hope the blizzard effects are short lived for you.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Had to cancel a dinner party last night and son #2 probably won't make it for Christmas dinner...but we are still properly THANKFUL !! It could have been much worse.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Amazing, they usually like the wrapping paper more than the gifts.
Are you referred to as Grandpa Snake? :confuse:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Merry Christmas everyone!
It's interesting that you would ask that. I would have been satisfied if my grandkids called me ‘jmonroe’ but Son #1, since he had our first grandchild, a boy, wanted his kids to call me Pap Pap and Son #2 agreed with him because they had a Pap Pap. I hope I can give mine the same good memories their Pap Pap gave them.
We will be going over to my brothers for dinner tonight (no problems with the weather here in the Burgh, just a little rain) and we’ll be watching “Christmas Vacation” as usual, can’t change that tradition. Even the grandkids enjoy that ritual.
I hope all my friends here at Edmunds have as an enjoyable a Christmas as the ‘jmonroe’ family.
Merry Christmas,
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Of course, I don't have a clue what you are talking about either. Pulling the oil filter lets air enter the system which "chases" out more oil???
Oh, the things I learn on these forums!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OF YOU!
And, yes, I do mean ALL of you!
Richard
Merry Christmas to all of you!
Richard
Oh, the things I learn on these forums!
Gee, I thought the basic laws of physics were known by more than just the people who are in the ranks, so let me explain, if I can. When air enters a space it fills that space and if in this case, oil is there, and since two objects can’t occupy the same space at the same time, the air that entered the space will “push” (is that a better word?) the oil out of that space. Remember the old way of getting pop (soda in some parts of the country) to flow better from a can was to put two holes (opposite each other) in the top with a can opener. Same thing with a can of chocolate syrup. The same principle that applies to the two examples I just mentioned also applies to many others which the student can ponder.
Did you really need that explanation or are you just being your old argumentative self, even on Christmas? Merry Christmas to you too.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I've changed a lot of oil in my time and I can't remember that ever happening but, hey, if it makes you feel better, go for it.
I just wait until the drips are longer than about ten seconds apart. That's good enough for me!
No, wait!...I don't change my own oil anymore....maybe when I retire I'll buy another set of ramps?
I just figured having the oil cap off would accomplsih the same thing.
I was surprised to know that folks here have no idea of how to drive on even the slightest snow or wet conditions even though I have been in west Texas for quite some time !
I've changed a lot of oil in my time and I can't remember that ever happening but, hey, if it makes you feel better, go for it.
I just wait until the drips are longer than about ten seconds apart. That's good enough for me!
More than just a “few” drops will come out when you pull the filter on the cars I’ve had. However, not all cars are the same but if you remember what I said about two holes in the top of a can of pop, when you take the filter out in addition to removing the oil filler cap, you now have two holes (openings) in the oil system where air can enter to help more oil drain out. Without dismantling the system this is the best way to let air enter the system and since you’re going to pull the filter anyway, my reasoning is to do it first and then put the oil pan drain plug back in last using your 10 seconds method for drips. Pretty clever huh?
I just figured having the oil cap off would accomplsih the same thing.
Darn it, I just explained that, didn’t I?
No, wait!...I don't change my own oil anymore....maybe when I retire I'll buy another set of ramps?
By the time you retire I won’t need my ramps, so I’ll list mine on eBay and if you’re the top bidder you’ll get mine. Nah, just kidding, if you really plan to do this just give me a call and you can have them free of charge. That’s the least I can do for you for all the enjoyment we’ve given each other over the years.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Now don't go beating each others ears off.
I hope you get the box filled with want you've always wanted so that you can get a nice new car to drive around on the hockey rink and in the snow. Let us know what yall get.
Have a nice holiday.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Well since "she who must be obeyed" is Filipino the correct word would be "Lolo".
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Actually, it was kind of a green Christmas around the Niagara Falls/ Toronto area, temperature here today is about 40 F and we are getting light rain, the remnants of the storm that went across the U.S. midwest. We have had one snow fall so far this year, and that was about 3 inches of snow. At least we are prepared, most cars have all wheel drive or snow tires (and in Quebec it is mandatory to use snow tires in the winter).
I was just reading a motoring article that said AWD is a little over-rated, it is good for starting and for moving on snow and ice but doesn't help much with steering and braking (that's why you see so many Jeeps etc in the ditch after a snow storm). So, you would be better off not buying AWD (which is more expensive to begin with, adds extra weight so gas mileage is not as good, and is more complex so needs more service and possibly repairs). You are better off getting a good set of snow tires.
I still like AWD, had it on the X3 and never got stuck. I have snow tires on the 3 Cabriolet and they actually do work even better than AWD, but you do have to change them over twice a year, and you don't get the superior traction on slick roads.
Have a Happy Holiday and don't get stuck in the snow, or slide off the road if it is rainy.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Lolo seems to be the word for "Grandpa", but what word is Filipino for "snakeweasel"? :confuse:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Any jeep with the old 4.0 inline six is a good example of that style of filter setup where a little more oil will come out. The best two examples though are the GM Ecotec 4 cylinders that have a small canister filter mounted up near the level of the intake manifold. To get all the oil out of one of those engines you need to remove the oil cap, remove the drain plug and then just crack the seal on that canister. Probably about two or three turns will do it and that will let out an additional 0.5 to 0.75 quarts of oil. Once the oil is dripping you remove the canister the rest of the way and most of the oil will be out of the canister so you aren't spilling oil all over the place. Oil won't get trapped in the sump as it drops out the bottom of the canister when you pull it out.
The best spin on example of oil getting trapped in the system if you remove the filter after you replace the drain plug are the 13B rotary motors that Mazda used in most of the RX-7s. That filter is mounted very high actually above the entire engine on a little finned heat sink and there is close to half a quart in the lines and heat sink that won't come out unless you pull the filter while the oil is draining from the plug.
For plenty of cars it just doesn't matter. Almost anything that has a mid mount or low mount oil spin on oil filter taking the filter off before, during or after the oil drains from the plug changes nothing. The system is just too close to equilibrium with the sump so nothing extra comes out. The oil will either come out of that part of the housing or it won't and there is nothing short of blowing compressed air into the filter housing, which is a bad idea might pop a seal, that will get it out.
Oh and a very short sales story maybe I will give you a longer one later if it is slow.
Our newest salesman sold a new SAAB this morning and they are picking up right now on the spot. Yes a NEW SAAB.
And then there were three.