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Dealers are right. Yet, I'm sure Toyota wants the dealers to buy new, "improved" cars first to keep Toyota revenue flowing..
Seems as if Toyota can't keep themselves from tripping over their own feet. If there's any group that's as important as the consumer who buys their products, it would be their dealers.
Now, the dealers will have stock on the lot that they can't sell (at least not for awhile), paying floor plan on it, until they can order new stock from the factory, and wait until Toyota sends them new parts to do the fix on old stock.
Sheesh! What a mess....all of Toyota's own doing.
We'll see how this all turns out. I'd be cursious to see canadian black book values for Toyotas too when they come out next week and see if there are any huge price drops. Apprantley here at our auction nobody was buying Toyotas at all either since it's not known how this recall will affect their values.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
A salesman I bought several vehicles from, said that one time, during a prolonged sales slump, the owner got them side jobs painting houses.
We also want to reassure you that the affected Toyotas represent only a small percentage of our overall fleet, so we expect to be able to fulfill all projected demand and you can continue to make reservations with complete confidence for any rental occasion. Our fleet strategy emphasizes diversity so that we are able to respond to the full range of vehicle rental needs of our customers, as well as to reduce our risk from any issues arising out of any individual manufacturer.
We further want to emphasize that only certain Toyota makes and models, in addition to the Pontiac Vibe, are affected by the recall. Those Toyota vehicles that are not affected will continue to be offered for rental; however, if you are uncomfortable driving a Toyota vehicle, we will make every effort to offer you an alternative vehicle if one is available.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I'm really worried the Richard is going burn me about my sentence structure. :confuse:
Yeh, they'll probably offer me a Smartcar :sick:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Your informative email has been forwarded to my litigator."
I learned in my law class that there is no law prohibiting post dating a check. There is also no law that says a bank can't pay on a post dated check.
In short if you buy something by check and date in 01/29/2020 and the store puts it through the banking system it will cash just like you dated it 01/29/2010.
I have even seen undated checks get cashed.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
There is one street that if you go down you will find almost every car available in a 10-12 mile stretch.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
lol. Right now I am not too concerned. I do feel like putting a big sign on the front of the rental RAV4 that says, "Warning, be cautious if you are in front of this car - it could speed up and go out of control at any moment".
I have read if the pedal sticks, ram the gear shift into nutral. You can also turn off the key, but i'll lose the power assist.
I am so into R&R mode, that I don't feel like going to the airport and doing all the paperwork over again. I am more concerned with the loose sloppy steering...you really have to concentrate to stay on track. I liked the Outlander I rented a few years ago, much more than the RAV4.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Richard
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Good luck Richard. 6 to 12 inches would even be a major snow fall in my area near Toronto. If the electricity stays on at least you can post.
It is always amazing to me how we are so dependent on our modern conveniences, and how powerless we can be when nature gets extreme.
Hope you come out of this one much better than it sounds.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
It can happen easily to any company because there is so much out sourcing, and competition for low bidders. This one sounds more like a design flaw though.
It might be a good reason though not to buy a car from a company that couldn't withstand such a disaster. If it was Suzuki they might just go bankrupt, and couldn't be around to make repairs. Might be something to consider when buying.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Richard
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Same here, the Louisville Mazda dealers have horrible sales, service, and parts departments(at least they're consistent). Having to drive over 240 miles round trip every time that miserable Mazdaspeed 3 needed repair got old REAL quick.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
have you checked the tire pressure in your RAV?
i find that low pressure makes for very sloppy handling.
all the car review mags are saying the RAV is the best small 'ute.
That's what I usually do, just to make sure it can still do it.
OK, I've been watching too much X Games, but there it a lot of truth in my post. :surprise:
Tragic yes. It's going to cost millions to Toyota, over what could be a simple and inexpensive part to fix the pedal problem. Human nature the way it is, no doubt there are many Honda, Nissan, Ford etc salesman and upper brass licking their chops over Toyotas misfortunes. What is Toyota's loss, will be their gain... $$$
Batten down the hatches. It sounds like you are well stocked so just snuggle in.
Got enough booze?
The "as I read it" was a colloquial usage just meaning how I read the situation!!!
Am I glad I was able to think of something to explain my mistake!!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I have trouble sympathizing after all the games Toyota has played about earlier reports, years old, of unexplained acceleration.
Also, I found Toyota's area dealerships to be really arrogant, especially one owned by a large family name around Cincy and it doesn't have a "W." I've always found that particular one, close to an airport, just plain snotty. It's amazing to be treated with respect as a customer at Acura and Mercedes stores who seem to realize old jeans and old car may mean clear checking account while a store pandering to the unwashed masses as does this one particular store has a pencil up its nose.
If I really wanted a Toyota, I'd probably buy it at the store close to the Dayton Mall or Richmond, IN.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
I do feel sorry for people working for a living at the stores who aren't the snotty salespeople (and general manager) of at least one area toyo store. In our state having a job is a valuable asset these days with the 20% unemployment, and higher in my judgement.
>this situation could have happened to any company.
I would word that to say any company can have recalls and problems. Most companies would have paid more attention to them earlier in the knowledge of occasiona, random, or not-so-random acceleration events. Most companies would have found the fix earlier rather than attempting to make the problem events seem as innocuous as possible as long as possible. There is also the manipulation of the category of what kind of acceleration has to be reported by toyo to the government agency. They employed a person who had worked for the government who knew how to categorize the events of acceleration so as not to garner attention. There is an article posted or linked in some of the toyota acceleration topics here on Edmunds to that effect, complete with the person's name. Toyota has done this to themselves and their family of workers, partly to say the least.
(the preceding paragraph has not been checked for proper format and grammar. Just read it and enjoy? If any errors are found, treat it like a Stuart Woods book. He says in a postlogue in most of his books that if you find an error someone else already wrote him about it!)
I had to spend the day in the State House in Columbus, and so I am trying to catch up on 100s of posts, over 70 in this discussion alone.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Our big joy is feeding the birds during a storm. We have many feeders out normally and when the snows, sleet, and ice storms hit, we put extra seed out that's on top of the snow or clean off the regular feeders. Then we get the camera ready.
Our friends near Nashville said they have 3 inches of snow today and sleet now. They also feed their birds.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I do feel really bad for these guys working at Toyota dealerships.
I'm sure Toyota's reputation will take a hit short term. They're going to fix this & make it right somehow. Their sales will plummet for maybe the next 6 months to a year. Consumers forget very easily. Somebody used the analogy of people trading in big SUVs when gas was $4 a gallon. Very true.
One of my neighbors is the General Manager of a Nissan Dealership. He buys most of his used cars at Nissan Auctions. This way if there are any repair or reconditioning necessary, his techs in the service department can fix it right. When gas was $4 per gallon, he was buying used SUVs for $4000 to $6000 cheaper than usual while he couldn't keep Altima Hybrids in stock. Gas went down eventually, he wished he had bought more used SUVs at rock bottom prices & didn't order so many new Altima Hybrids for the next year.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
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The Benz one was funny. A guy had his hood ornament taken and fashioned his own from a coat hanger. Rough copy, but he wanted to display the Benz emblem real bad.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
makala just set a new record for blank posts. The record was held by oldfarmer after a rough day in the back 40.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
M, It might take awhile but try to find the picture on google and try to search for the picture....then copy it from there.
Good luck, hope you find it, sounds cute!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
all the car review mags are saying the RAV is the best small 'ute.
The RAV4 is a big seller and people who own them love them. Lots of people comment on how much they like the RAV and tell me they want to buy one, especially because of all the room inside.
I find the interior is all gray and plasticky. I have a feeling most buyers are younger people who haven't driven a car that is actually fun to drive. It does everything competantly, and the little engine hums along, but the car ain't got no soul.
I think the car was made by engineers working to some formula, the car is not fun to drive. It gets you there like it was made to do, but getting there is not fun. There is no "love of driving" built into the RAV.
I haven't driven an Escape, but I think I would like that more. And, I am sure the VW Tiguan would be a lot more fun.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I hope that I can finish this post before the power goes. We can hear the transformers popping down the street. We're getting right much ice.
Yes, the bar is well stocked. I made sure of that when we shopped. When we bought this retirement home three years ago, we were surprised to discover that it had the nicest bar at one end of the formal living room. During our initial visit to the house, we wondered why a double door closet was in the living room. Upon inspection, we found a bar with sink, cabinets, glass shelves, etc. My wife had the interior of the bar wall papered in a dark red and gold to match a set of champaign flutes that she likes to display. She also added a pretty light fixture for accent. My niece gave us a red teak wood serving tray with four decorative books on mixing drinks. My nephew gave us a set of cut glass high ball glasses and monogrammed wine stoppers. I'm set up in high style. It's a far cry from the old days when I kept my booze in two cabinets above the refrigerator.
To Imidazol: We, too, are bird lovers. We have plenty of seed for the feeders. We are especially fond of the Humming Birds. Also, I see from one of your posts that you have a Toyota dealership like ours in your area. They must be kin to one another. As I have said before, it was the rude and crude treatment that made the experience worse than the actual sour deal. I shall never forget the salesman asking me at our meeting with the dealer and SM if I was a born again Christian. Talk about inappropriate! I won't share my response to him on this board.
To Explorer (and to stay on topic): I am not about to take the Explorer out of the garage to play on the ice. I'll just take your word for the fact that it will do what you say.
Hope everyone stays warm and safe.
Richard
Those are...
-Kerry (I think that's the one you're referring to?). They have Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep maybe a couple of others. They're on both sides of the OH river in OH and KY. Always feel like I have to take a shower after visiting their stores. Every dealership cliche (most of them aren't good) defines them
-Wyler....I believe he has Cadillac, Nissan, Honda, GMC/Buick, Chevorlet, maybe others. They're very practiced at the art of grinding their customers (which is probably why I've never bought from them......I don't grind). They used to use the ad tag line of "Cars, like eggs, are cheaper in the country". Indeed! The dealer principal is kind of.....ummmm......less than forthright. Met him a couple of times. Didn't cherish either of those times.
" We're getting right much ice" ???
Just stay wrm and safe.
The Wyler Toyota in Clarksville Ind. was a joke. They came down a whole $400 on a 3 year old Sienna with a seatbelt that looked like a cat had gnawed halfway thru it. How they would put that van up for sale without repairing an obvious safty hazard I still wonder about. When we asked about having it repaired, we really didn't get a straight answer. We walked without batting an eye.
If thats the case GM still should be #1
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
In Cincinnati I won't go near a Jake Sweeney dealership.
In Louisville the Oxmoor and Neil Huffman groups are off the list.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Yes the precious imports are subject to failure also. If they would have just followed Hondas path and not worried about being #1 and stayed out of the truck business they would still be good to go.
What are they up to now 10,000,000 cars recalled world wide?