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Besides the caddies, what sedan does GM have to compare to the V6 Altima and Accord? The CTS is definately in another price range than all those cars. All the comparable GM models are front drive too and have less power and no manual option.
Thought you were all about right here, right now.
Besides the caddies, what sedan does GM have to compare to the V6 Altima and Accord? The CTS is definately in another price range than all those cars. All the comparable GM models are front drive too and have less power and no manual option.
The Saturn Aura stands up to both. No manny, so the 5% of buyers in the fwd sedan market who actually get mannys will have to go over to Saab and check out the 9-3, which is only slightly more expensive.
What's peak horsepower in 3rd gear in mph? in 4th in mph? in 5th in mph?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I doubt that. They rerun Star Trek all the time.
Can do that with cam in block also.
GM Retail Sales Up 1,385 Vehicles, Compared With Last Year, Led By Saab, Cadillac, Hummer, Buick and GMC
Segment Fuel Economy Leaders Chevrolet Silverado and Tahoe, GMC Sierra and Yukon Post Sales Increases 2007 Go To Market Strategy Driven By 23 Vehicles Offering 30 MPG And Backed By The Best Warranty Coverage In The Industry
DETROIT - General Motors' dealers in the United States sold 338,380 new cars and trucks in September. The company sold 1,385 more retail vehicles in September than the year before. Retail truck sales, led by full-size pickups and utilities, were up 2 percent. Retail car sales were down 12 percent, partly due to inventory constraints of Chevrolet Aveo, Cobalt and Malibu. Retail sales of 246,797 vehicles were down 3 percent on a sales day-adjusted basis.
"GM's truck business was boosted in September by our segment-leading fuel economy and the addition of the industry's best coverage, including the 5-year/100,000 mile warranty program," said Mark LaNeve, General Motors North America vice president, Vehicle Sales, Service and Marketing.
GM continues to reduce its reliance on low-margin daily rental sales. Sales to daily rental companies were down 26 percent compared to year-ago levels, while our commercial fleet business was up 12 percent. This ongoing planned pull-down of low-margin daily rental sales resulted in total September sales of 338,380 being down 6.8 percent compared with a year ago on a sales day-adjusted basis.
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gm- news/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=2&docid=29391
It is good for GM that people are still in love with trucks and SUVs. And they seem to like their line. I am not in the market for a truck. If I was buying one however, it would be the Tacoma, the clear value leader and great gas mileage. As for SUV there are so many which all look the same, only ones like the Murano stand out. But I am sure the GM are capable. So as long as they keep selling, there is hope. Slim hope for GM.
-Loren
Can do that with cam in block also.
I was aware that GM was beginning to build pushrod motors with variable valve timing; I wasn't aware that the valve timing on intake and exhaust could be varied INDEPENDENTLY. Which GM VVT pushrod motors can do this?
I know that GM has something called DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phase) technology which I THINK will vary the intake and exhaust independently of one another; however this system is only available on 1.8l Ecotec DOHC engines available on some Opels in Europe.
LOL!
Now I'm trying to picture a combination of Spock ears and a mullet on a conventioneer in Alabama...... :surprise:
-Loren
Seen any drag races with Cadillac CTS cars down your boulevard?
-Loren
I think that the 3.6 V6 and the RWD northstar engines have independent continuous variable cam phasing on intake and exhaust valves.
-Loren
Quite frankly, most of the arguments you offer are certainly as valid for OHV. If an OHV engine is cheaper to make, needs lower cost maintenance, and gets good fuel economy, what benefit do the driver's get from all the doodads?
Perhaps balance for a car, and steering quality should be the concentrated new efforts for the new GM cars. A lot of people are buying BMW3 cars with less HP than a CTS. A sweet inline six, but not all that powerful. It is the whole package.
What are you talking about? 328 has 230 ponies. 330 has 300. The CTS has excellent ride and handling.
Wouldn't be surprised; but again, isn't that an OHC design?
Rocky, you're the only one left... don't you get taken by aliens too!
I had fun with the baseball analogy... I agree with most (not all) of your comments! :P
Interesting question. You can also throw in the fact that often, the OHV engine is both lighter and smaller externally than it's OHC counterpart.
The problem is, neither design is really the 'best' approach for ALL applications. OHV design is great for building torquey motors and are (IMO) better suited for low-rpm use and/or heavier vehicles. OHC design is great for building high hp upper rpm motors and/or smaller lighter vehicles.
There's not going to be a consensus reached over which is the 'better' motor design since we all appreciate different kinds of cars.
So how much money is GM, Ford and Chrysler losing per car and pickup? For GM, their average loss is $1,271 per vehicle, with Ford behind $451 per unit and Chrysler making a profit of $144 on average.
For comparison, Nissan leads the profitability pack at $2,135 per vehicle, with Toyota and Honda coming in at $1,715 and $1,259 respectively.
For more see:
Money GM loses per car
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
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What space-alien logged in with my user name and logged that other post?
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I guess my 'problem' is that I like good implementation and using the appropriate technology in the appropriate place. Which is why I like BOTH my Celica GTS (zero torque, all upper-rpm hp) AND my old Mustang (I got'cher torque RIGHT HERE.....). They're both fun just in completely different ways.
The Hyundai / Kia warranty is far from the best in the industry. It is a 10 year / 100,000 mile POWER TRAIN warranty WITH A DEDUCTIBLE every time you use it. Hypothetically, a manufacturer could provide a 100 year 1,000,000 mile warranty that they can actually profit from, as long as they structure the terms of it correctly. I believe the new GM warranty is in response to the new Ford warranty which is 5 year / 60,000 mile power train with zero deductible. I'm not sure of the fine print of the new GM power train warranty, but it could indeed be the best in the industry. Traditionally, manufacturers with quality issues resort to these rediculous warranty with deductible scams in an effort to raise perceived quality. Lets face it, Hyundais and Kias are pretty much nothing more than the modern Yugo. Mitsubishi has the same warranty for the same reason. Chrysler / Dodge did the same thing in the early - mid eighties when everything they build was based on the woeful Aries-K.
As far as the Tacoma being "the clear value leader", I guess that depends on how you define value. It is a mini-truck, along the lines of a Colorado or a Ranger, but costs quite a bit more than either. In many case, it costs more than very capable full-sized trucks. Although it gets marginally better fuel economy than full sized trucks, I dont think Toyota will be stealing any sales from real trucks with it. Toyota's full sized truck has failed year after year in an attempt to gain a strong foothold on the domestic truck market, and has made zero impact.
The Nissan Murano is the only SUV that stands out? It isn't even an SUV. It is nothing more than a uni-body car that rides high. I cannot imagine a practical reason to buy it. If you need a car that seats 5, there are cheaper, more stylish vehicles that do that and get better fuel economy to boot.
I believe that the only hope for GM has more to do with the VERY biased (positive toward imports) media coverage of their products and the domestic car industry as a whole that breeds consumers that share your views.
I'll keep on driving my full sized truck based SUV, knowing my kids are safe in it, and my domestic 2+2 muscle car with 300 hp that has better resale value than any disposible Korean made econo-bucket could ever dream of (any guesses as to what that is? ; ) with a big, stoopid smile on my face.
VVT with cam in block. 3.5 and 3.9
Not independent though!! Whoops.
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines/other/index.htm
Go to "vehicle engines" and then "other engines" and
Aww, come on now... This whole biased auto press thing is the automotive equivilent of the Republican's decrying the "biased left-wing media", which, if anything is quite the opposite. GM and Ford buy just as much ad space as Toyota and Honda, so why would they be biased? Maybe because of the QUALITY and lack of refinement of the autos produced by the Big 3? That would be my guess. American automakers are indeed making great strides, but they are still behind in a few areas, such as interior quality and materials, ergonomics, smooth refined engines and transmissions, and fit and finish. Hard plastic interiors that still have untrimmed casting flash and chrome or paint flaking off controls after a few thousand miles does not scream 'quality and refinement'. My 2000 SVT Contour was in the shop probably 10 times in the first 30k miles, including a new tranny at 1500 miles, and a funny rattle in the dash that turned out to be the airbag - it was never screwed into place, it was just flopping around in there!
For that matter, just what is an 'American Car'? My '98 Acura was designed, engineered and built here in America, as are a lot of Hondas, Nissans, and many other 'foreign' cars, while a lot of GM and Fords are built in Mexico, Canada, Brasil, and yes, even Korea. So just what is an 'American Car'?!? :confuse:
BTW, is your 2+2 muscle car a Mustang GT, by chance? Nice car, and one I would love to have (I used to have an '88 GT), although it also has a pretty cheap looking interior.
BAD example.
the '98 cars were not designed and engineered here. But I guess it depends on what you mean by that. Before 2000 there were not enough engineers to "design and engineer" cars here in the US. I have friends that work for the transplants and 10 years ago they were not doing the whole job (except for large trucks). Only "Americanizing" already designed vehicles.
Now they are just staffing up the engineering groups here and they are still mostly taking existing platforms and designing cars around them. In fact many are taking buy outs form the big 3 and moving to the transplants.
Not that I particularly mind since I bought one about a month ago with zero percent financing for 72 months. A dealer here Columbus advertised a new '06 GT convertible last Saturday for $6000 under MSRP ($2500 rebate plus $3500 discount).
Quoting directly from the 2006 Hyundai Elantra Owner's Manual, Sub-section "Hyundai Powertrain Limited Warranty (Original Owner):
"Warranty service will be provided by an authorized Hyundai Motor America Dealer without charge for parts and labor. This warranty will not apply to warranty service performed by those other than an authorized Hyundai Dealer."
There is no deductible.
And to continue with the text from the Owner's Manual:
Powertrain Warranty Period
"For original owners only, this Powertrain Limited Warranty will begin upon expiration of the 5 year/60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty, and will continue to cover the Engine and Transmission/Transaxle powertrain components listed below up to 10 years from the date of original delivery or the date of first use, or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first. The Powertrain Limited Warranty is not transferable to any subsequent owner. For subsequent owners, powertrain components are covered under the New Vehicle Limited Warranty for 5 years/60,000 miles, whichever comes first."
What's Covered in this no-deductible 10 year/100,000 mile Powertrain Limited Warranty?
Engine
Cylinder block/head and all internal parts, manifolds, timing gears, timing chain or belt, timing cover, gaskets, and seals, oil pump, water pump, fly-wheel, oil pan assembly, and rocker cover and engine mounts.
Transmission/Transaxle
Case and all internal parts, axle shafts (front), constant velocity joints, front hub bearings, seals and gaskets, torque converter and converter housing and clutch cover and housing, transfer case for Santa Fe and Tucson 4WD and rear differential for Santa Fe and Tucson 4WD.
What's NOT Covered in the no-deductible 5 year/60,000 New Vehicle Limited Warranty and the no-deductible 10 year/100,000 mile Powertrain Limited Warranty?
- "Normal maintenance services such as: cleaning and polishing, minor adjustments, lubrication, oil/fluid changes, filters, anti-freeze/coolant replenishment, wheel alignment and tire rotation unless such services are performed as part of a covered warrantable repair."
- "Normal maintenance items are warranted in normal service, only when the replacement is the result of a defect in material or factory workmanship, for 12 months from the date of original retail delivery or date of first use, or 12,000 miles, whichever occurs first, or up to the first scheduled maintenance replacement interval. These normal maintenace items include: belts, brake pads and linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper blades, and bulbs."
Everthing else is covered under the bumper-to-bumper 5 year/60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
There it is: Hyundai's warranty all spelled out for you. No smoke and mirrors, everything in plain English . . . and, very easy to understand. It may not be the best warranty in the business, but it's pretty darn good. And for many onwers, they don't need it that often either.
Having working in manufacturing, the opposite to your statement is true as to warranty period duration. Companies that offer products that they know (or, feel) are built to quality standards can offer long warranty periods. If they built crap, as you imply, their warranty charges would be astronomical, and this is simply not the case. I've had no warranty claims for this 2006 Elantra. The same can't be said for any other car I've owned for the initial 11 months of ownership, including Ford, GM, Honda, Mazda, Nissan, SAAB, Toyota, and Volvo.
The facts do not support many of your statements.
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I, hopefully won't get abducted. Socala, he wasn't all that bad. Not anymore annoying than me. :surprise:
I had fun with the baseball analogy... I agree with most (not all) of your comments!
me 2, I'm just glad you and I could find some common ground on GM.
Rocky
This is the kettle. You're black
They can use that Tag-line "Born from Jets"
Rocky
1:The warranty is cut in half for the second owners. Now that they say that the original owner only gets the remaining 50K as well, that means a 2 year old Hyundai with 20K on it has half a year and 5K on the warranty. Suddenly, it's not as attractive used, is it? This is well, it's dowright scam-artist tactics. It feels scummy to offer a warranty that is nearly useless to anyone but the original owner. It's clearly a marketing ploy.
GM and a few others offer warranties that aren't quite as long, but they transfer and there's no cutting it in half, either.
2:Hyundai's warranty doesn't cover a SINGLE PIECE OF ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. Your sensor or coil pack or main computer go south? Oops - not covered. That's a pretty huge omission that I know GM and the others cover. Shoot, if your dash electronics go south - I see no mention of anything electronic or electrical in the "warranty". It's again, clearly just a marketing ploy that Hyundai is doing the bare minimum to follow through on.
P.S. My 67 Mercedes has an OHC engine, so it's not rocket science to build one, GM.
Agreed.
Sometimes people are too quick to want to change for change sake.
Look at light bulbs. A lot of us (me included) ran out and bought those electric saving flourescent screw ins. Turns out, they are pumped with mercury. Better off staying with the incandescent in many situations.
On the other hand, LEDs are about to become cost effective for large scale commercial and maybe even residential. That may be a change worth making.
-Loren
In short, 10 years for the original owner, 5 years for the rest - that's Hyundai. 5 years for everyone - that's GM! So, who's better? And, Hyundai's first 5 years is bumper-to-bumper. GM's bumper-to-bumper ends after 3 years.
Finally, GM's service is horrible (at least my experience with the Blazer tells me that). Alternator in my Blazer got short-circuited and that short-circuit caused other damages in the Blazer - GM just paid for the alternator and left most of the repair on me. Also, I had several tranny leaks and the dealers took a week to fix - and the dealer offered free alternative transportation (typically a 2 door Cavalier) only for a day or two. And, whenever I called GM's service, I was told that the car was designed to last 36000 miles and only way to make it last longer was GM protection plan. I bought a major guard 5 year/ 75,000 miles no-deductible plan for $1700 only to be at the receiving end of terrible service. I don't think I can afford any more breakdowns and any more visits to GM dealers.
Maybe pushrods/lifters can't handle the extra load and weight of 4 valves reliably.
I believe it's the reverse. Replacing one 2" valve with a pair of 1" valves will give the same perimeter opening so the ingress and egress of gases will remain unchanged.
The 2" valve will have four times the area which will make opening the valve against back pressure four times harder than the 1". For the same reason the 2" diameter will be four times heavier than the 1". Overall then two valves should be only half the mass and require but half the activating force.
Now tell me that I'm wrong.
T2
There's a decent crop of them: Nissan SR16VE and second SR20VE, the V8 in the Audi RS4, Civic Si's since the late '90s, both engines in the S2000, the high-line 1.8 Toyota put in the Celica, Corolla, and Matrix, and some BMW mills. Most contemporary DOHCs run in the low-mid 70s hp/Liter these days. Problem is that the LS7 in the Corvette Z06 with all the semiexotic internals and a 7000-rpm redline still only manages 72 hp/liter.
The biggest thing holding back OHV performance is their poor airflow due to only having two valves per cylinder. A OHV with four or five valves per cylinder would breathe much better and wouldn't need to rob so much power just to vent the cylinders at high rpms. The LS7 has to flow 766 cfm at its 6200 rpm horsepower peak, whereas the Honda F20C only has to flow 293 cfm at its horsepower peak of 8300 rpm. To think of it another way, the LS7 needs 1.52 cfm per horsepower while the F20C gets a horse out of 1.22 cfm.
MELBOURNE, Australia — According to an Australian automotive Web site, a Holden Commodore badged as a Pontiac will be unveiled at the 2007 Chicago auto show.
The new car is reportedly intended to go on sale in the United States later that same year.
The Web site quotes General Motors product chief Bob Lutz speaking at the Paris auto show.
"Come to the Chicago auto show and all will be revealed," he is reported to have said after praising Holden and the new Commodore for being one of "the best vehicles GM has produced."
Speculation has been rife in Australia about Commodores being built in other markets, but nothing has been confirmed to date. GM Holden refused to comment on the report, instead referring any queries to "Mr. Lutz at General Motors Corporation."
However, Lutz's comments appear to confirm rumors that the Commodore could be built in markets such as the U.S., adding a large, rear-wheel-drive car to help revive General Motors' aging vehicle lineup.
If a Pontiac "Commodore" does go on sale in the States next year, it will not be the first time a Pontiac has been spawned from a Holden. Three years ago, Holden exported Monaros to the States as Pontiac GTOs.
What this means to you: GM and Ford both have compelling and interesting products — in other markets. This is part of the effort to bring those to the most lucrative auto market in the world in order to better compete against the ever-strengthening competition.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=117004
Rocky