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  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    As I understand it... CH3CH2OH is what you need! Of course, I am counting on bristol2 or brightness to correct me if I am wrong. ;)

    TagMan
  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    Frankly I'd be happiest with SM + H20 (where SM= single malt).
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Frankly I'd be happiest with SM + H20 (where SM= single malt).

    Generally found at the singles malt bar! :P

    TM
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    I get the feeling many folks around here would prescribe that I take 10 drops of CH3OH and don't call them in the morning. :(

    Woodn't that be loverley! :sick:
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    You woodn't want to drink any of THAT... and no one here would want you to do so. We need our Florida connection!
    TM
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    If anyone wants to see the next BMW SUV, here it is:

    http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/07/2009_bmw_x6_sports_activity_co.html#more

    Strangely, it will look a lot like the 2009 Lexus RX, which sketches a lot like this. Notice the tailgate has many Lexus cues. :surprise:

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    One drop of that and I would be declared legally blind but would still trust my NAV to get me where I want to go.

    One of the reasons I always do the waft test before ingesting my wife's rum cake. Just making sure she uses C2H5OH instead of CH3OH. ;)
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Doc, it's not an SUV... it's an SAC (sport activity coupe).

    However, actually stands for SAC 'o sh-- ! Ugly F'er that it is. :sick:

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    By the way, I lost interest in the X3 because of the poor crash test rating. All my BMW's passed the crash test. I'm not about to start next year with a failure.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Yes... there's been way too many chemical compounds being used here without a pharmaceutical license.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    By the way, I lost interest in the X3 because of the poor crash test rating. All my BMW's passed the crash test. I'm not about to start next year with a failure.

    Speaking of the X3, there's an interesting comparison in the latest online Motor Trend of the LR2, the X3, the Acura RDX and the Lincoln MKX.

    Here it is...

    link title

    TagMan
  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    I'm thinking the Luxury Lounge may be on the way to setting a record- 78 new posts today (some of them with relevance!)

    I wonder if any of the Hosts can tell us how many posts are required to win 'Most Posts in One Day' award?
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    My dad was a pharmaceutical person. I got my BS and MS in organic chemistry.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Well... if we win an award... at least I know I made my fair contribution! ;)

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    "With relevance"

    Yes. I have posted 3513 times on Edmunds and I am proud to say 11 of them had excellent relevance. :)
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    My dad was a pharmaceutical person. I got my BS and MS in organic chemistry.

    I got my BS in "BS". (advertising) :blush::)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    "With relevance" Yes. I have posted over 3400 times on Edmunds and I am proud to say 11 of them had excellent relevance.

    Well, I'd have to add a few... I've always thought the wife's rum cake to be very relevant.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    Seems like I reveal more about my "BS" training here than my MS. If you catch my drift. ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    I sold myself short. It is actually 3516 times! Counting the rum cake as you will, then 17 posts have been relevant. Almost, but not quite outside of the pathetic range! :cry:
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Actually this is a post about a luxury car that WON'T be produced afterall... the Chrysler Imperial.

    It was originally intended to be manufactured, but plans for the upcoming vehicle have been scrapped due to pending legislation in the US Congress to increase fuel-efficiency standards.

    Looking at the picture of it... no big loss at all!

    image

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Uh oh, move over Aztec, the Big Dog is moving in!!

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    Without even looking, MT loves to make waves by going against the grain of every rational finding by reputable auto mags. They love to invent stuff so BMW loses, so I would have to say the Acura probably won.

    I went to the last page and notice in the columns, the Acura was listed first, so I assume the Acura won. Totally predictable. If this comparo was done by C&D or R&T, we both know the X3 would have won.

    I stay far away from MT. They lie just to be "original." :mad:
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Yes, you are right, the RDX won.

    But, the surprise of the article was actualy their take on the LR2... they rather liked it... particularly off-road... where most of us drive, of course. :surprise:

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    Well the LR is known for that. If my bank ever moves to a rocky swamp, probably near the diesel truck stop, I just may get one (assuming it has a driveup window). Hope the gators don't scratch the paint. :(
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    LOL. Yes, IIRC you like to get to your bank in a hurry. ;)

    Unfortunatley, I've got a meeting ahead in a few minutes, and can't continue with these pertinent and focused posts. :(

    I'll catch up later...

    TagMan
  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    I actually kind of like it. The gull-wing doors are a bit silly but in general I think Chrysler needs to cut out a new niche.
    Not-quite-MB-level luxury, a step under Lexus technically, no attempt to take on BMW sports-wise but with a sticker under $50k and you have a potential winner for the $100-$160k income families who want to impress the neighbours.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    I actually kind of like it. The gull-wing doors are a bit silly but in general I think Chrysler needs to cut out a new niche.
    Not-quite-MB-level luxury, a step under Lexus technically, no attempt to take on BMW sports-wise but with a sticker under $50k and you have a potential winner for the $100-$160k income families who want to impress the neighbours.


    It's a 300 on steroids... don't you think? (you mean suicide doors?)

    TagMan
  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    Yeah, but I like the 300. This would also do a little to suggest a next iteration 300.

    I've always thought the challenge for Chrysler with the 300 was going to be how to move the model forward. It came out so strong with the design theme out of the box.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    I've always thought the challenge for Chrysler with the 300 was going to be how to move the model forward. It came out so strong with the design theme out of the box.

    Good point. In that case, they could and should use the design to move the 300 forward, instead of creating an Imperial.

    Gotta go to meeting now... see you later.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    Not surprising. Some of us have been arguing for some time now that BMW has been cooking/dressing-up numbers in preparation for sale of the company itself.

    Cooking up?
    Dressing up numbers?

    What dont I know that you know?

    BMW earns among the highest margins in the industry. Are those figures cooked up? How do you define cooked up? Is there more lenience regarding accruals and reserve estimates for German auto firms versus US/Japanese auto firms? Based on what I know German corporate profits are the most conservatively estimated figures worldwide bar none. To me its a cop out when a person tries to poohpooh any financial figure by calling them fudged without any proof whatsoever. Ofcourse I am not at all suggesting that you are that type of person. So please point out BMW fudging for me.

    The shift to cut-rate wheels is jarring for an industry that has fixated for at least a decade on premium cars and their fat margins. BMW earns an estimated $3,300 per car on average, vs. Logan's $400 per car, according to Ferdinand Dudenhöffer, director of the German Center for Automotive Research.

    Businessweek

    Oh talking about potential fudging why dont we focus on the reputable firm that recently audited Toyota before it became liquidated.

    Even without Mr Horie's talent for publicity, the spotlight would remain on auditing irregularities and the policing of securities laws in Japan. Another company that has rapidly fallen from grace is Misuzu Audit, formerly ChuoAoyama
    PricewaterhouseCoopers. Once Japan's third-biggest audit firm, it used to count Toyota among its clients. Late last month, Misuzu asked other leading auditors to take on its remaining clients as a prelude to its liquidation.

    The Economist

    Yikes now talk about a good financial fudging story at Toyota. Ofcourse I will not engage in such stories since I do not have the figures to substantiate any Toyota fudging.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    RDX is probably well suited for a diesel, seeing that it's strapped down with a turbo I4 largely because Honda lacks V6 engine production capacity; an I4 turbodiesel would actually work better than the current I4.

    Absolutely. The RDX is very quick (a Honda with torque? Gasp!) but it guzzles more gas than most of the midsize lux SUVs.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    I went to the last page and notice in the columns, the Acura was listed first, so I assume the Acura won. Totally predictable. If this comparo was done by C&D or R&T, we both know the X3 would have won.

    They basically whined that the BMW's MSRP is too high, which it is, but when you lease one, suddenly BMW is very willing to negotiate. The X3 and RDX are much closer when it comes to lease rates. Add in the free service... Also, absolutely no mention that the RDX just barely qualifies as a luxury car. In this case, you get what you pay for.

    If there's a diesel GLK or Q5 when our X3 lease is up in '09, we'll definitely be taking a look at them. Driving the A4 2.0TDi was an eye opening experience as to what the latest diesels are capable of. No noise, no smell, and when you're paying Italian fuel prices, every extra mpg counts.
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    I wonder if any of the Hosts can tell us how many posts are required to win 'Most Posts in One Day' award?

    The individual poster award definitely goes to an informed petroleum chemist . ;)
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    Looks like it went through Hyundai and Saturn design studios. Then they said, wait, let's use the TL pinball slot as the character line because we don't know what else to do with it, then throw in some Bangle scar tissue on the bonnet for good measure so we don't get left behind. IMO it's got "me too" written all over it.

    Oh c'mon it's not that bad.
    The Bangle cues look wonderful. I even noticed Bangle cues on new electrical toothbrushes. I must say the Bangle design has been a major influence in 21st century design.

    There's really no pleasing you.
    You're view on styling reminds me of that "Mikey Hates Everything Oatmeal Commercial" from the 70s (if you dont know it then forget it --I tend to have a very good memory of commercials). I think even Mikey would like the Bangle influence on this new Accord. I certainly do.
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    That's the same way MT got the M45 Sport to "beat" the 545i.
    PRICE. VALUE. Of course, they fail to mention that many BMW people circumvent the high MSRP and do what I do, "LEASE" which would put BMW over the top in VALUE!

    Every sane person out there knows there is no way an M45 BEATS a 545i. It may come close. No problem. But in driving dynamics, the 545i wins.

    MT loves to make waves by having different results in their comparos from the other auto mags.

    I knew the X3 had no chance. MT loves to pick vehicles that "beat" BMW.

    If MT was the only auto mag out there, I would prefer to remain blissfully ignorant. :blush:
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    If MT was the only auto mag out there, I would prefer to remain blissfully ignorant

    After reading their review on BMW335i vs. G37 I must say MT will remain the last magazine I will read at any grocery store. It's as informative as those newspapers that claim everyweek that a new ET was discovered somewhere in the world.
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    I'm surprised it is still in business. It really should be removed from the automobile magazine section and placed where it belongs, the fiction section! :shades:
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    I believe they did a similar hatchet job on the MDX in a recent comparo. They admitted it was the best driver, but because of the price, it had to be number two!
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    They admitted it was the best driver, but because of the price, it had to be number two!

    Help me out here... I've always thought that if something was the best, it deserves a premium.

    Afterall, why should success be penalized? I thought the IRS was the only one to do that, with tiered tax brackets!

    The best is the best... period... not second-best. Screw MT.

    TagMan
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    Great job, HP! :shades:

    Lest we forget. Silverado (with a 5.3!) over Tundra! A Hyundai superior to any Lexus? I need a bucket!

    Hyundai will bet their future on that as The Gospel! Not that people will buy it, but it sure makes copy-writing plain and simple! Why grow a brain, when you have the Enquirer working for you? ;)

    It's all about the Benjamins, at this point. ESPN wants you to use their phones, and will come up with any crazy contest to get the sheep to do so. SI is better known for G-strings than Olympic Rings! Can't wait to sell themselves out.

    CR is gaining credibility everyday, just through atrition! :surprise:

    If Scion will advertise on my post, I'll gladly make the xB blissfully superior to the Escalade.

    It's not anybody took me seriously anyway. :P

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    Totally logical. You want the best, you pay more and you should.

    MT in its attempt to be provocative, becomes pathetic instead.
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    Well they can try and talk Veracruz over RX350, but that is pure fiction. There's no way the Veracruz interior or ride comes close to the RX. It can't. Otherwise, it will cost as much as the Lexus! There is no way ANY Hyundai achieves parity with, let alone beats a Lexus vehicle. It ain't happenin'

    Hyundai has quite a way to go before we can talk about them in the big leagues.

    Same as Infiniti has a way to go before declaring parity with BMW. Any performance comparo declaring an Infiniti over a BMW cannot be taken seriously. Any comparo declaring a Hyundai over a Lexus cannot be taken seriously.

    And any commercial declaring the Ford Edge superior in any way to the BMW X5 ... well, don't get me started! :mad:
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    Comparing the 2007 G35 and BMW 330i. BMW won rather easily.

    It was so good, it was hard to believe it was C&D! I thought it was 1997, not 2007. Did I step into The Twilight Zone? :surprise:

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    I like C&D. I find them "right on" right on down to their choice of the Honda Accord as the best family sedan year after year after year...
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    You might've misunderstood me....... :sick:

    C&D, and you, are a work in progress. I believe in you, doh. You're a "comer". ;)

    DrFill
  • atlas7atlas7 Member Posts: 126
    Apology regarding the hybrid quote, came from reading a compilation of posts, not yours. You are an emotional one when it comes to cars. Don't understand how you can call Toyota or Lexus incredibly stupid in their use of hybrid technology. Seems to me, Toyota/Lexus is printing money, taking market share, and are out front in hybrid technology. Why are you so visceral towards them when it's clear they are doing very well?
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    That takes therapy, education, and understanding, by all of us, to find a cure!

    Lebron James will host the September Telethon. Should be better than the ESPY's, anyway. :blush:

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Member Posts: 4,331
    No. I didn't misunderstand you. I like C&D.

    Just like the Yanks, I too am coming on strong. Last time we "spoke" they were what 13 out... now? only 9? Watch out!!!
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    Or you are inside.

    I'm a Mets fan, so....... :blush:

    DrFill
  • brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    We have gone through this quite a few times already. You are a certified financial accountant. Go read the details in the BMW annual report that you linked to us earlier. The cash position is down. The "profit" comes from piling up assets in "lease product inventories." Given the huge gap between residual (i.e. the value at which these "leased product inventories" are assigned in the books) and the real life auction value, what else can it be described, besides "book cooking/number-dressing" so typical of vendor financing?

    Based on what I know German corporate profits are the most conservatively estimated figures worldwide bar none.

    That does not mean Germans do not assign wrong values to their assets. How much was the value of the Chrysler division in MB's books before the give-away? MB spinmeisters wrote up the give-away as a $6 billion sale . . . but the details shows that MB not only gave away the company but also put in another $700 million. So tell me how much integrity those German carmakers have again when it comes to truthful financial reporting?

    To me its a cop out when a person tries to poohpooh any financial figure by calling them fudged without any proof whatsoever.

    We went through that a few times already a couple months ago. Read the BMW annual report yourself. The incriminating evidence is there. It was enough for Dresdener Bank analysts to cry foul.

    To me, it's a complete cop-out to talk wide-off-the-mark supposed "national characteristics" when there are specific evidence that is quite visible with the specific company under discussion. Besides, if we really want to talk about socalled national characteristics, Japanese executives having been found of guilty committing financial fraud had a tradition of committing suicides; whereas their German counterparts tend to have thicker skin anyway.
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