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Here's a link to all the companies, and the site explains what the "top tier" gas is, exactly.
Top Tier Gas
thanks
"GRADE LOGIC CONTROL SYSTEM
The CR-V automatic transmission uses Grade Logic to determine when to shift. Grade Logic differs from more conventional computer-controlled shift programming in two important ways: It can determine the actual driving situation and then, based on six different stored "shift maps," select the appropriate shift points for second-, third- and fourth-gear upshifts and downshifts.
The Grade Logic Control System on the CR-V automatic transmission uses throttle position, road speed, rate of deceleration and rate of acceleration to determine driving conditions. It then chooses the appropriate shift map for that situation in D4 and D3. For example, when driving uphill, Grade Logic will sense a large throttle opening without any increase in speed. Based on this, Grade Logic will determine that the CR-V is going uphill and it will determine how steep the grade is. It will then choose a shift map that will downshift and hold third or even second gear, thereby eliminating hunting between gears.
Grade Logic also uses brake-pedal application as a control input. For example, Grade Logic will determine that the CR-V is driving down a grade, if it receives a closed throttle signal and a brake-pedal activation signal. It then selects a shift map that will downshift and hold third or second gear to allow the CR-V to utilize engine braking.
Similarly, Grade Logic can use a rapid deceleration signal and closed throttle to determine that the CR-V is entering a tight curve in the road or a corner. It then chooses a shift map that downshifts early for more responsive acceleration.
This same set of inputs occurs in the abrupt braking followed by quick acceleration that sometimes accompanies stop-and-go city driving, thus promoting smoother driving.
My guess is it would be adjustable either through re-programing or mechanical adjustment.
And thanks thegraduate, 87 and top tier gas it is, btw I'm a recent grad myself
I created this "screenname" when I graduated high school. I'm currently a Junior at University of Alabama at Birmingham, so I'll be a "graduate" again before long.
If you have the money and are able to handle the maintenance costs I would also recommend some European makers.
I don't recommend Domestic except for a few high end cars, those are inherhenlty more expensive anyway and performance vs price is the weightiest factor in decision making.
I might say Chrysler some day since they are beginning to incorporate a lot more Mercedes parts and engineering.
But you can't go wrong with a HONDA. (Well I still don't think the Ridgeline qaulifies as a truck to me) Hopefully no Ridgline owners want to lynch me for that one.
It is a Honda just not a truck
Yea, it looks like something is missing.
Mrbill
No A/C problems otherwise, and I've got 23k miles on the car and our high Friday is forecast in the mid 100s with major humidity (Alabama heat wave).
Mrbill
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I got me 07 SE V6 a couple of weeks ago and there's a couple of ... strange things I notice.
1. The V6 has 2 tailpipes. Upon closer examination that they are not quite in the same position relative to the cutouts in the bumper plastic.
2. I noticed that when the left (I think) back door is closed it's not quite flush with the body. the door surface sticks out just a little relative to the body behind it. the difference is very small...1 mm maybe.
The right door is completely flush. Never seen this before.
3. The driver's seat developed a creak within a few days. Went to the dealer, they spend 5 minutes trying to lube it, said, nope, let's book an appt. Instead, I got me a can of WD40 and in 15 minutes got it fixed myself.
4. The centre console storage door rattles on rough roards.
The car is at the dealers right now for all these things.
They told me off the bat that the #4 cannot be fixed. I asked them to see what can be done but i have a feeling they will do squat.
While waiting for a shuttle ride i got to look at other new Accords on the lot. All of SE V6 ones (2 cars to be presize) have the tailpipe misaligned, and all of them have the door issue to varying degree.
I could only find one car that was free of these things..It was top of the line V6 sedan with a stick shift. (Btw, I looked at the VIN - it was build at the same plant as mine, somewhere in Ohio).
they ordered a new muffler, apparently the existing one cannot be adjusted. they also ordered the window regulators to fix the rear window noise.
they also adjusted the door. i still can see a tiny difference, but it batter, so i guess i will forget about it.
I checked my tailpipes and they seem to be fine, nothing jumped out at me.
I am bringing my car in for the window grinding problem, both rear windows grind when closing them.
My fear with this is that it may just need to be lubricated inside or some type of adjustment. If the dealer replaces the whole window assembly will they make it worse?
I am also asking the dealer about a whining noise from the engine when you put on the A/C. Not sure if this is normal or not.
I also had a rattle on my drivers seat when I first got the car but that seemed to go away.
This being my 5th Honda, I have learned to be patient with squeeks/rattles in that sometimes they work themselves out.
I will ask about the transmission on my first oil change. While this seems normal, when putting the car in drive, there is about a 1-2 second delay until it pops into gear.
The 5 speed transmission on this car definitely downshifts a lot more. My previous car was a 2002 V6 Accord coupe which had a 4 speed. The transmission was smoother and didn't downshift as noticable as this one, but then again I like the engine braking effect and have gotten used to it.
Hopefully they don't damage anything else when doing this and it is a clean repair.
btw, i like the way the transmission shifts, most of the time it makes sense and the fact that I feel the shifts is natural to me.
2 - anything any of us owns with hinges is usually off to an acceptable degree. This also shouldn't be an issue.
3 - You took car of yourself, great job!
4 - How rough are the roads? You can always check how tight the bolts are holding it in place and if that doesn't help get some small strips of foam so that hard plastic isn't bouncing on itself. Might work.
And....you didn't buy a luxury car over $40K. It's a Honda. Everyc ar has small little imperfections that can easily be fixed and usually don't make that big of an impact.
Honda is an economy car. If you are trying to make an impression by having a perfectly smooth looking car that people will admire for it's appearance. An Accord is not the car you should have bought.
Pony up the $40K and then the complaints would be legitimate. I am guessing you were told nothing could be done about #4 because they think that all your complaints are ridiculous.
I would count yourself lucky they helped with any of them. I am also fairly particular about my car and want it as close to perfect as possible as well but I don't expect a dealer to pay the bill on it. You should do it yourself or pay a mechanic to do it for you.
Sounds like you have a reasonable Service Manager or Rep. I would be grateful for what they are doing for you and give them a tip $$$. Otherwise when you have a real issue they may not be as willing to help you take care of your vehicle.
Obviously that isn't a Honda policy, but Honda is run by people and that is how people are sometimes. I'd be carefulu the expectations you put on them.
You might think this sounds harsh. Sorry if I have to be the one to point it out. I'm just trying to help. Hopefully you don't feel like it is unsolicited advice. I'm an idealist and think that most people appreciate "wounds from a friend"
Good luck!
now, based on personal experience. It is not the first car in my life. I have seen Chevys with better fitting doors and mufflers.
i didn't twist anyones arm, i simply came to the dealer, presented my findings. Didn't threaten to sue, didn't raise my voice. Just simply asked them to see what they can do. They adjusted the door, ordered the muffler and the other things without a peep. I suspect they are well aware of those things and do them on demand basis. And because it's warranty work they get paid.
Honda's reputation is better that many. I myself owned a honda before and I have an idea what it should and shouldn't be.
And about Accord being an economy car, i do not entirely argee. Sounds like you're confising accord with a Taurus or Malibu, because these are economy cars in the mid-size segment. Accord is more expensive and I think it's only fair to exect better from them.
I think that you are, my friend, too forgiving. I do not expect Accord to be what it is not, but asking that a tailpipe is not crooked and a door fits ok doesnt' sound too much fot me. Heck, if it was a chevy i would ask for that.
I am hoping to improve on this MPG a big once the engine has more mileage on it. My guess is right now on the Highway I would get 25-27 MPG.
I would be happy with a slight increase over these numbers once the engine breaks in more. It would be comparable to my 02 V6 yet has more HP, 244 vs 200. The 200 was with the old HP ratings, so it was more likely in the 190's with today's measure.
This new V6 really has great acceleration.
A car is usually the #2 biggest expense you make next to a house. And in buying Honda, you are choosing a manufacturer known for high quality products.
Many years back my wife bought a brand new Dodge Neon. While the price paid was about as low as you can go for a new car, does that mean it should fall apart real quick? I don't think so. I think basically you are paying less for a lot less features. But the underlying car should still be reliable and should be put together well.
That being said, it had problems from the start, and blew a transmission at 39,000 miles. At 45,000 miles, it drove like a car that had 100,000 miles on it. For that I fault the manufacturer.
On the highway, the new V6 will give you better mileage. 5 speed transmission doesn't help if you're in traffic, and never get to 5th gear. On the highway the 5speed auto will be turning less rpms than the 02 was.
Actually i am pretty sure that they get paid in full by Honda for this. Generally dealers love warranty work for that reason. I had a transmission replaced for nothing more but a strange noise that would last for 3 minutes on cold mornings. I am pretty sure that the (GM) dealer billed GM for at least a day's work + parts. No pressure from me whatsoever, all I had to do is to replicate the problem (which was a chore in it's own
I live in Toronto and the road salt in a real issue during winters. Normally I rusproof my cars with Krown, and thinking of doing that to the accord.
Any opinions?
is that normal? i am used to clicking sounds when a tuns signal is on on othe cars, but on the acord it's all the time.
Actually dealers get paid by the factory at a lower rate on warranty work than they get from the consumer at shop rate. That's why dealers dislike warranty work.
i don't know about honda, but in the past GM was performing repairs more extensive than I was expecting.
anyhow, as i said, in my case they actually committed to all the work without pressure on my part. i presume they know what they're doing
Because if it's in warranty, they will do it under warranty. Wouldn't it kind of tick you off if they refused to do warranty work? But remember that the dealership is not obligated to do warranty work. They have the right to fire customers although the manufacturer does expect them to do warranty work.
A good service department also knows what it can get covered under warranty without raising red flags. Manufacturers don't give dealers carte blanche to charge them for whatever they want. Dealer warranty claims are regularly audited for what the manufacturer might feel are dubious.
Just keep in mind that my opinions carry just as much weight as yours do.
And taking it personally or think it was too harsh, especially when I tossed out a disclaimer/disclosure knowing that it could be recieved that way, shows everyone you actually think more highly of your opinions than you should.
And don't compare the repair requests that were put out to a car experiencing catastrophic failure; apples and oranges.
And of the thousands of people who potentially take their vehicles in for ticky-tack repairs because it's "free" make all of us pay more for our product. It is not free. No succesful business does anything for free. Someone pays and it's us the consumerS.
Just like welfare. You think welfare is free to people? No, we pay that with taxes just like we pay for ticky-tack repairs with higher purchase prices, warranty prices and parts prices.
You may not appreciate my mode and method of delivery and I respect that. However, I'm not in politics and I'm not concerned about public acceptance. I know that what I am saying is valid whether you are capable of recognizing it.
Again I do respect both of your opinions and I do understand why you think the way you do. I just operate under a different frame of reference than you guys do.
surey if i asked to paint my car yellow under warranty they would tell me to take a hike.
as to my prior experince with costly repairs that was the same thing. I asked "what's that noise?" and next thing i know my car is on hoist and parts are on order.
Because if it's in warranty, they will do it under warranty. Wouldn't it kind of tick you off if they refused to do warranty work?
isn't the dealer the proper and only channel to get warranty work? common sense tells me that the dealers don't do it to lose money. In fact my GM dealer seemed to like me even more after the tranny work
i think it's much simpler that that. warranty is a well defined obligation given by the vendor to the consumer. the business model behind the warranty might be affected by how finicky people are, but nonetheless, in essense, you have the right to exersice it. and they have the right to refuse if the demand is out there. it'd be odd to try and guess their business model, why not just ask?
do you ever return things to walmart? i guess you might not
"And of the thousands of people who potentially take their vehicles in for ticky-tack repairs because it's "free" make all of us pay more for our product. It is not free. No succesful business does anything for free. Someone pays and it's us the consumerS. "
actually it would be good for all of us
Yes but they do have the right to refuse to honor the warranty if they feel they won't be reimbursed.
In fact my GM dealer seemed to like me even more after the tranny work
Perhaps he knew that the tech that did all the transmission work was so good at it that he was able to do it for less than the rate GM was paying and that the procedure was actually more profitable than other work that day. Or the service advisor may have been so beaten down by other customers he wasn't willing to fight you. Who knows.
That might be a locale issue and if a mechanic has set himself up to profit off it.
I have thrown out educated guesses plenty of times in a forum and when it was revealed that I needed to be educated a little more I welcomed it.
QA is a costly enough factor in prices today. And since these "repairs" are not life threating, value reducing, wear and tear increasing issues they do increase our costs.
You seem to be presenting yourself as more knowledgable than you are. I'm convinced you are intelligent, at least enough to mimic intelligence, but at the same time I can see that your assumptions are not based on actual exposure or experience and your reasoning is definitely not sounds,...based on your responses of course...
Factory Warranties do not have a "business model", aftermarket warranty companies may becasue that is their usually their primary income source as a business >>> Wal-Mart sales and/or success have nothing to do with returns, never did and never will >>> Tightening QA does increase quality and absolutely increases costs, i.e. Current Event: Toy Industry Recalls from using Foreign Cheap Labor and carrying lower QA standards, their practive of doing this saves the $7/hr just in labor, imagine real estate?!?!?. >>> And most importantly you are using circular reasoning; exempli gratia, petitio principii.
"Three times is a charm", "Three Stirkes and your Out", "Doing the same thing three times expecting a different result = INSANITY"......
...are common phrases that will have this be my last post in reference to this regardless of if you reply.
~~~Sorry to all those who had to endure this. Glad to be of service if anyone was entertained. I know I should have dropped it earlier.~~~~
Thanks for everyone's patience.