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I can just hear some guy talking to his wife. I hope we can make it to Arizona where they have cheap coal generated electricity before we need to recharge this battery. :shades:
The warm climate during the MWP allowed this great migration to flourish. Drift ice posed the greatest hazard to sailors but reports of drift ice in old records do not appear until the thirteenth century (Bryson, 1977.)
The Norse peoples traveled to Iceland for a variety of reasons including a search for more land and resources to satisfy a growing population and to escape raiders and harsh rulers. One force behind the movement to Iceland in the ninth century was the ruthlessness of Harald Fairhair, a Norwegian King (Bryson, 1977.)
Animal bones and other materials collected from archaeological sites reveal Icelandic Vikings had large farmsteads with dairy cattle (a source of meat), pigs, and sheep and goats (for wool, hair, milk, and meat.) Farmsteads also had ample pastures and fields of barley used for the making of beer and these farms were located near bird cliffs (providing meat, eggs, and eiderdown) and inshore fishing grounds. Fishing was primarily done with hand lines or from small boats that did not venture across the horizon (McGovern and Perdikaris, 2000.)
Trying to solve possible problems 100 years in advance is a waste of money. We have plenty of problems that need immediate attention that are not being addressed by our Congress and Presidents.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/environment/2009-08-19-forest_N.htm
I have 12 acres of land 11 of which are forested. So am I going to be able to sell my 11 acre-carbon-credits to local industry? :confuse:
I'm fine with researchers investigating a theory and making models, but our reaction to the possibility of GW is now getting far beyond reason. The people who came up with this idea to convert farmland back to forest must be missing the fact that if food is not produced there, and we do export a lot of food, then a similar amount of increased food production must occur elsewhere!
Reducing food production in 1 country does not reduce the demand of a growing global population. Forests will be cutdown in other areas of the world to makeup for U.S. reduced food production.
All we (the U.S.) will do by reducing industrial production and food production is HURT OURSELVES. China and India will simply adjust and gain by continuing to grow industrially and in population, and other countries like Brazil, and Russia will increase their farmlands and production.
You already can see that countries like Russia and China are very interested in claiming rights to areas where the U.S. is reluctant to drill for various reasons. If the U.S. and Europe both ceased to exist and emit any CO2, that does not change the course that the global population growth and usage of world resources is on.
I hope you aren't trying to make a connection between hurricanes and GW in this statement because according to your friends at NOAA
From NOAA NEWS – Study: Better Observations, Analyses Detecting Short-Lived Tropical Systems
A NOAA-led team of scientists has found that the apparent increase in the number of tropical storms and hurricanes since the late 19th and early 20th centuries is likely attributable to improvements in observational tools and analysis techniques that better detect short-lived storms.
“The recent jump in the number of short-lived systems is likely a consequence of improvements in observational tools and analysis techniques,” said Chris Landsea, science and operations officer at NOAA’s National Hurricane Center in Miami, and lead author on the study. “The team is not aware of any natural variability or greenhouse warming-induced climate change that would affect the short-lived tropical storms exclusively.”
Oh, that's right, the BYD gets 249 miles on only one charge, If I'm not heading north to Phoenix then I won't need a re-charge in Tucson! Who's the pilot of this ship, anyway? :shades:
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Some will, BUT, we better know the overall impact.
http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/116286.html
"And property owners expressed little interest in digging deeply into their own pockets to mitigate the effects of climate change, preferring instead grants or for local towns to take the lead."
I smell bailout.
If the people in Maine are worried, sell while they got a chance. Once the house falls into the ocean it will be a hard sell to all but Californians.
Probably wouldn't hurt for some people to review some of the great research that Keeling did in regards to CO2. :shades:
Being a plant person, I am not convinced that CO2 is bad for the planet. All plants really like CO2. I would think a graph over say a million years would be more useful. That graph does not even parallel what we know about sun spots and their impact on the weather. Saying man has no impact on the planet would be silly. Saying he is the major contributor to climate change is just as silly. Taxing people to death will not change anything.
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As a side bar the Federal government is winding down its cash for gas guzzlers/polluters. It would seem even the Fed government doesnt believe its own GW hype, especially if it will cut down the petty cash (3billion) they get to play with.
It is a bit like this thread, or,.... why there are so very few diesel passenger cars (2%) vs massive RUG to PUG of 98%. 24 mpg on RUG to pug is better than 50 mpg !!! Makes all the sense to me!!! :lemon:
And how will they power the conversion since it uses more energy than it produces?
Maybe they can cover the deck with solar panels. That will make the carrier useless for combat so the greenies will be doubly pleased.
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The whole trick is having enough energy to power the plants around the world to scrub the atmosphere of the molecules like CO2 that you don't want and reform them. But then if we had that sort of energy source we wouldn't have to be using any coal, oil or natural gas!
If only someone gets cold-fusion to work! :P But oh I forgot if that worked, terrorists would then basically have the power to destroy the civilized world. So forget that - man is not ready to have great sources of easily accessed energy.
Well it takes quite a bit of expertise to create a nuclear-bomb. So yes 15-20 countries with sophisticated labs can make one. Maybe some genius can make one in their basement also.
What I was referring to is - if we had our wish - of limitless, easily accessed energy - that would be a major problem. For example - if you found that you could take a copper rod in a tank of water, and blow some air into it, that it would start a nuclear fusion reaction, would you want something like that? NO! For if mankind does develop an advanced energy like that - it would be easy enough for a 12-year old kid to build a megaton-bomb.
I look at any sort of problems with fossil fuels as being minor, compared to the proposition of man having easily accessed, powerful energy sources.
Along that line. I would say that the oil companies have probably spent as much on the science of GW/CC as any other group. Yet they get treated like pariah. While government paid scientists are treated like the final word. Everyone has an agenda. To discount one over the other seems disingenuous.
I am still on the side of the 31,000+ scientists that are skeptical about man being the major cause of Global Warming.
Every source of energy has negative aspects. We are seeing the problems with Solar and Wind generation. Aside from the fact that they are still very expensive compared to fossil fuel generation. I'm a big fan of geo-thermal, yet there are groups that do not want US drilling holes in the earth. Both from an environmental and spiritual perspective.
No energy source will be perfect with no negative attributes. That has been true since man first discovered fire as an energy source.
The Navy again is really one of the HUGE documenters of the underwater sea geo-thermal sources ! Long ago submarines went on (top secret) underwater mapping missions (among other missions). To this day you only hear on History Channel type specials about Naval undersea terrain mapping expeditions. To say there is a HUGE array of underwater geo thermal vents is to UNDER STATE the OVER obvious. But it is NOT overly obvious to us land lubbers.
So as a side bar to this point, your (Gagrice's) point about the sea not heating up, etc, in posts past elicited almost no reactions . Yet the ratio of underwater vents (small to MASSIVE underwater volcanos to land vents (aka Yellowstones) is overwhelming. It almost will sound like hyperbole. Yet it does NOT "heat the pot" so to speak.
http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/FrArgo_data_and.html
Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:35am EDT
ADDIS ABABA, Aug 24 (Reuters) - African leaders will ask rich nations for $67 billion per year to mitigate the impact of global warming on the world's poorest continent, according to a draft resolution seen by Reuters on Monday.
Ten leaders are holding talks at African Union (AU) headquarters in the Ethiopian capital to try to agree a common stance ahead of a U.N. summit on climate change in Copenhagen in December.
Experts say Africa contributes little to the pollution blamed for warming, but is likely to be hit hardest by the droughts, floods, heatwaves and rising sea levels forecast if climate change is not checked.
The draft resolution, which must still be approved by the 10 leaders, called for rich countries to pay $67 billion annually to counter the impact of global warming in Africa.
I believe our current leaders are stupid enough to sign onto just such an agreement. Why not hand those crooked African leaders $billions to use anyway they see fit. They have stolen aid money in the past out of the mouths of the poor. Why not reward that behavior?
How much are you willing to contribute to the third world for damages that may or may not occur at some undetermined date in the future? Africa wants $960 per year from every worker in the USA. That is $80 per month. Of course when we agree to that you know Malaysia, Indonesia, India, Thailand, Myanmar, etc etc will want some of the free handouts. Then So America, Central America and Mexico ad infinitum.
This is exactly what should have been seen with the first mention of cap n trade proposed by GW Cult members in the UN and the USA.
The other major factor was transportation costs. If lots more of this starts happening, it could impact bunker fuel use and lower some emissions.
My employer has various customer service call centers - a few years ago some were outsourced, mainly to the Philippines....we are now phasing out those contracts and bringing the positions back to this continent. It was just too much drama and the quality was very inconsistent. Maybe there's a little hope yet.
The flip side is that employment is so high and wages so low, companies can afford to hire Americans again. I guess that's a good thing. :confuse:
Tesla killer? Just how much is global warming driving the new car market anyway?
"Honda Motor Co. plans to develop an electric car to debut in the U.S. market by around 2015 as tighter environmental regulations push demand for zero-emissions vehicles"
Green Car Advisor
That can't be - Honda is already using the Element name.
Remember the hockey stick of exponential technology growth. Solar could indeed become economically viable in six years. That's long enough to figure out "clean coal" too.
Every little bit helps and no one is going to sit still on the status quo bench twiddling their thumbs.
I'm more worried that if we have to pay for all this "green" technology, we may all be sleeping on a bench.
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Even Al Gore has figured that out.
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In a notice scheduled to be published Wedesday in the Federal Register - according to a report by E&E News - the Energy Department will outline the requirements for the prize, to be awarded in 2011 if anyone can come up with an improved hydrogen storage material that satisfies the department."
Energy Department Launching $1 Million 'H-Prize' for Hydrogen Storage Advances (Green Car Advisor)
China to Begin Hoarding Precious Metals Used in Hybrids and All-Electric Vehicles (Green Car Advisor)
Lithium-rich Bolivia now a global player
Almost half of the world's lithium, the mineral needed to power the vehicles, is found in Bolivia - a country that may not be willing to surrender it easily.
"The previous imperialist model of exploitation of our natural resources will never be repeated in Bolivia," said Saul Villegas, head of a division in Comibol that oversees lithium extraction. "Maybe there could be the possibility of foreigners accepted as minority partners, or better yet, as our clients."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/08/MNPL15M29H.DTL
Next it'll be water.