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Dr. McGartland, also an economist, declined to comment on the matter.
Sounds like they are all economist in the EPA. This is the guy presenting the case FOR cuts in GHG. So what makes him a better informed scientist than Dr Carlin? Face it GW/CC is all about economics and little to do with science. We are in a 10 year cooling trend and that has the tax and spend Democrats worried they cannot push through this HUGE tax increase under the guise of Climate Change.
Anthropogenic Climate Change is a religion cooked up by the same bunch that are now in control of our government. They use data that is questionable to make their case. CC is 90% politics and about 10% honest science.
I will repeat this as I believe it is important. If those screaming the loudest would set an example for the rest of US, it would add a lot to their theory of MM/CC. When Al Gore moves into a modest energy efficient home. No longer leaves his limo running while he is in giving a speech. Flies to conferences commercial. Gets rid of his high GHG spewing water barge. I will reconsider my miniscule carbon foot print.
Maybe you honestly believe in MM/CC. The rest of US will be expected to pay the price for this flawed unproven theory.
WASHINGTON -- A tiny car company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has just gotten a $529 million U.S. government loan to help build a hybrid sports car in Finland that will sell for about $89,000.
The award this week to California startup Fisker Automotive Inc. follows a $465 million government loan to Tesla Motors Inc., purveyors of a $109,000 British-built electric Roadster. Tesla is a California startup focusing on all-electric vehicles, with a number of celebrity endorsements that is backed by investors that have contributed to Democratic campaigns.
How many jobs will that create in the USA? Payback time.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125383160812639013.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStor- - ies
Many of Carson's claims were overblown. While DDT is highly toxic to insects and fish and can poison other animals in large enough doses, in moderate amounts it's not especially harmful to birds and mammals, including humans. (Ironically, the EPA's own judge agreed, but was overruled by its chief administrator.) No one has conclusively proved that DDT can give you cancer.
Sound familiar?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2428/was-rachel-carson-a-fraud-and-is-d- dt-actually-safe-for-humans
"What people aren't remembering about the history of DDT is that, in many places, it failed to eradicate malaria not because of environmentalist restrictions on its use but because it simply stopped working. Insects have a phenomenal capacity to adapt to new poisons; anything that kills a large proportion of a population ends up changing the insects' genetic composition so as to favor those few individuals that manage to survive due to random mutation. In the continued presence of the insecticide, susceptible populations can be rapidly replaced by resistant ones. Though widespread use of DDT didn't begin until WWII, there were resistant houseflies in Europe by 1947, and by 1949, DDT-resistant mosquitoes were documented on two continents."
If Malaria's the Problem, DDT's Not the Only Answer (Washington Post)
Malaria is caused by a protozoan parasite that is transmitted by mosquitoes. For decades, there have been two major strategies for curbing the disease: killing the infectious agent or killing the carrier. Reliably killing the protozoan has proved difficult; many older drugs are no longer effective, new ones are prohibitively expensive, and delivering and administering drugs to the susceptible populace presents daunting challenges. Killing the carrier has long been an attractive alternative.
And DDT has been an astonishingly effective killer of mosquitoes. DDT (which stands for the far less catchy dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane) is a synthetic chemical that didn't exist anywhere on the planet until it was cooked up for no particular purpose in a German laboratory in 1874. Decades later, in 1939, Mueller pulled it off a shelf and tested it, along with many other synthetic substances, for its ability to kill insects. DDT distinguished itself both by its amazing efficacy and its breadth of action -- by interfering with nervous system function, it proved deadly to almost anything with six, or even eight, legs. And it was dirt-cheap compared to other chemicals in use -- it could be quickly and easily synthesized in chemical laboratories from inexpensive ingredients.
My take is DDT was pushed out by companies wanting to sell more expensive less potent pesticides. The environmentalists were used by the chemical companies to sell more expensive less effective pesticides. Same way they have gotten them on the CC bandwagon. It was not that long ago that the Environmentalists were laying in front of bulldozers on Nuclear energy projects. Now they say well maybe it is a good solution.
"Though DDT has not been used in the US for nearly 30 years, DDT and its breakdown products are still detected at low levels in a wide variety of foods eaten by Americans. Residues of DDT and DDE, the persistent breakdown product of DDT, are still found in the soil of fields and forests treated years ago, and in the sediment of lakes and rivers." link
What would Pollan say?
The same goes for cutting GHG. If Peak Oil is true. The same spreaders of PO hysteria are claiming man causes the climate to change. I would think one problem would solve the other. The kicker is the politicians are using the hysteria to tax the middle class.
I see Mike Pollan is making the National news these days.
You know that DDT isn't illegal in most places, so those grapes from Chile or other food ingredients increasingly from China are likely giving you a daily dose. Thank you Monsanto.
Bring on polyculture.
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This article expresses pretty well the avergae person's frustration with government wanting to take tax $ to spend on transportation solutions that benefit few. At least some here realize that federal tax $ is not "free".
I also expect our Congressmen to fight against any sort of ridiculous taxes on energy. There's no sign of the temp. getting >70F anytime soon, and the lows are getting down near freezing. Someone please send some global warming this way!
http://www.ktvb.com/membercontent/photos/slideshow.html?plckGalleryID=d201af6d-4- 0c3-4347-8a4d-4ec3e9370d14&ogp=1
Are you snowed in up there Steve?
Loveland ski area opens today, A-Basin on Friday
By John Meyer
The Denver Post
Boasting its earliest opening day in 40 years, Loveland officials opened for skiing today. Arapahoe Basin announced it would open Friday.
Loveland is the first ski area in North America to open its season, with $44 lift tickets. Loveland trail crews were able to begin snowmaking operations on Sept. 21.
"We took advantage of the cold temperatures and got an early start making snow this year," said Eric Johnstone, snowmaking and trail maintenance manager. "Now we can move some equipment to other trails and try to open more terrain as quickly as possible."
Loveland and Arapaho always compete to be first to open, but you wind up skiing on a "white ribbon of death" - they just make snow for one strip on one run. But at least it's cold enough to make snow.
It is surprising since all I've been hearing is that it's going to be a warm El Niño winter.
Are you back home? Good trip?
(oh yeah, your link is a good example of how GW causes weather extremes.
Hmmm, so let's see now. GW now causes cooler summers and colder winters. BBWWHAHAHAHA !! I think you better switch to the much more all emcompassing term, Climate Change.
On the other hand I would not be at all surprised if the Al Gore bunch didn't change horses in mid stream and declare that CO2 now causes global cooling.
Remember the March of Dimes when we were kids? We all sent in our dimes to help find a cure for polio. Well, now that we have virtually eradicated polio, March of Dimes is still around, but now they champion birth defects. Now that one may be really hard to eradicate, still I just sent them a donation for old times sake and creativity.
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Actually, the lousy economy is doing that at the moment. :P
Republicans take aim at Ore. congressman over SUV (Yahoo/AP)
Many of you may know tha the latest Nasa data shows the Earth to be cooling over the last 10 years.
Many of you probably also know that we are on the cusp of our 10,000 year ice age cycle.
So now that we are trillions in debt we have a new reason to tax our citizens for the fear scam of global warming.
We must now repent because we committ the horrible sin of exhaling carbon dioxide.
Some people actually believe that the Earth would be a much better place if we just had much less people.
When does this nonsense ever stop already and then on to the next scam to control your person and property.
Just look at some of the latest Nobel Peace Prize winners...Jimmy (Peanuts) Carter. Al ( Big Foot) Gore. And the latest Barrack (The One) Obama. Good Grief !!
Nancy Pelosi must be in charge of the selection committee..... and I hate to think who the other members are
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Wait, I thought all the "experts" were saying that CC was a run-away train and nothing we do could change the course towards warmer climate. Now you're saying that a few percent less human activity has had an almost immediate effect?
Who needs C&T then? Take the bus one day a week and the problem is solved.
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Cleaner cars seems like a better way to get there than bread lines though.
Taking public transit once a week would be a good start too.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/playoffs/2009-10-10-rockies-phillies-gam- e-3-postponed_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.
But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.
And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.
So what on Earth is going on?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm
Read how the MM GW scientists are scrambling to keep the money flowing. :P
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S. Fla. Heat Has Been One For The Record Books (KEY WEST (CBS4))
Near-record temperatures expected today in Fairbanks (NewsMiner)
If you don't like the weather, wait a few hours.
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Nope!
"A new historical record of carbon dioxide levels suggests current political targets on climate may be "playing with fire", scientists say."...Now, humanity's emissions of greenhouse gases are pushing towards the 400ppm range, which will very likely be reached within a decade....What we have shown is that in the last period when CO2 levels were sustained at levels close to where they are today, there was no icecap on Antarctica and sea levels were 25-40m higher," said research leader Aradhna Tripati from the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA). "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299426.stm
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/07/chamber-attacks-apple/
"Apple is right. The Chamber of Commerce has a 19th-century stance on global warming, opposes regulating greenhouse gas emissions, and has become an enemy of a clean-energy economy. The Chamber has promoted the work of climate skeptics on the radical fringe from 1992 to the present day. "
http://www.earth-policy.org/index.php?/books/pb4
Lester Brown points out that there are 910 million automobiles. It is clear that MM GCC is more obvious then ever.
Here is a thought experiment for you skeptics. How many cars do you need to impact climate by one degree? You may need to start with how much CO2 will raise the temperature by one degree.
I think you are confused about who the skeptics are. About 80% of the U.S. population believes warming and cooling cycles are natural and almost entirely caused by the only heat source we have...the sun.
MMGW or MMCC is a very radical theory promoted by those who stand to gain financially....and unwittingly abetted by those who do not know any better.
Pogo was right. We have met the enemy and they truly are us.
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Are we in a climate change? Probably. One must realize that back in the 1970's all we heard about was global cooling....another ice age. So we've gone from freezer to oven in less than 40 years? I dont think so.
Can we and should we be better stewards of the environment? 100% yes. Should we find better ways to lessen toxins / pollutants? 100% yes. Should we create a cult out of it and find politicians to create laws and tax it. 100% no.
I was a recycler and opponent to rural aggression years before this Al Gore guy ever invented the internet. Im just opposed to legislation and taxation.
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This one by Doran and Zimmerman seems to be the most recent 2009 poll and it's just the opposite of what the corn fed TV watchers think.
"82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature"
Scientific opinion on climate change (Wikipedia)
It's funny that you mention Pogo and the famous catch phrase. Here's the story behind it from encyclopedia.com.
"Kelly's strips championed the underdog, the powerless, and the threatened. In the late 1960s, his attention turned to the environment, and he provided the world with an unforgettable slogan. As Pogo looked upon a large pile of trash that was cluttering the swamp, he said: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
I hardly think derogatory name calling is in order here. By the way, I am 6-1 and weigh 165. I also don't drive two 10 year old gas guzzlers.
As has been said by many of us many times, I am all for conserving our resources and I hate littering. But that is an entirely different subject than people having to pay a hypocrite like Al Gore because they happen to breathe and exhale carbon dioxide.
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And corn-fed is an easy target since corn producers don't look to be the most climate friendly outfits either (Grist).
Pogo was right.
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The most powerful way to influence people over the ages has been the use of fear.
The sky is always falling.
I woiuld place a bet that the market will find a way to shape the environment any way that we want. Future cars will probably clean the air and remove pollutants.
Regarding human ingenuity, the sky is the limit.
How true! I was reading a book the last few weeks called "Einstein's Telescope", which has to do with how massive objects in space can bend light, and thus you can detect mass. Well as it turns out light is being bent in many places where there is no otherwise detectable mass. In fact there appears to be 5X more of this dark-matter than regular matter, and then there is also dark-energy which is 2X that of all the regualr and dark-matter. So why am I posting this.
Well as the book explains physicists were about to wrap up their work, as they thought on how the universe worked in the late 1980's. If you asked the great mass of physicists and of course other scientists would defer to the experts, the universe was totally understood. After the Big Bang matter expanded and it would be slowing according to their theory. Well a strange thing happened - new data from the Hubble telescope showed that the expansion of the universe is not slowing down, the expansion is accelerating! It is accelerating because scientists had not understood that the universe consisted of a majority of mass they knew nothing about, and really still don't! The theories of the 1980's were shown to be incomplete as they did not concur with all the data; their understanding was incomplete.
Similarly I see the climate scientists of today looking to make a name for themselves; why? (Money and honors). And I see a lot of politicians like leeches recognizing a great host (cause and crusade). It is a modern day sham, analogous to the witch-doctor proclaiming there are gods in the volcano, and that he has special mystical powers. There are many innocent people who fall for this crap.
BTW - no global warming here yet; weatherman this morning said the weather is typical mid-to-late November conditions.
WENATCHEE — Long-standing records were shattered as temperatures plummeted around North Central Washington on Sunday and into today.
The Wenatchee Valley set two record lows for Oct. 11: 23 at Pangborn Memorial Airport, breaking the previous low of 33 set in 1990; and 25 in Wenatchee, dipping below the low of 28 set in 1931.
“It’s pretty extraordinary to break records by 10 degrees or more,” said Greg Koch, a meteorologist for the National Weather Service in Spokane.
The GW Cult would like to have it both ways. It is going to be a tough sell to Congress. Their only desire is to be re-elected. Cap n Trade and HC could unseat a bunch. Especially when you are telling someone in Nebraska it is getting warmer because he drives a PU truck to town once a week for groceries.
Oct. 1-11 was the coldest Oct. 1-11 period on record for Lincoln, with records going back 123 years to 1887.
High temperatures over the weekend were usually the highs Lincoln records for early to mid-December, according to Dewey, professor of applied climate science at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.
Saturday's high temperature at the Lincoln airport was only 38 degrees. The previous record low maximum for the date was 41, set in 1987.
Sunday's high temperature was only 40 degrees. The previous coldest maximum was 47, in 1946.
Similar record-low maximums were set across much of Nebraska. Several cities also had record minimums.
By the way Globe, AZ hit 77 late yesterday afternoon. Record for the date is 100 degrees. Normal is 86 degrees. So even though the SW has had some warm days this year. Overall we are below normal. No matter how they try to spin it. Phoenix set a record this summer for the most days under 100 degrees.
Skepticism is normally healthy. In the case of Anthropogenic Climate Change it is downright essential.
With the peak of the season -- late August to mid-October -- now behind, the Atlantic-Caribbean basin has seen just two hurricanes and a total of eight tropical
If the full season, which runs from June through November, ended today, it would be the lowest number of storms since 1997. The last time an Atlantic season produced only two hurricanes was 1982.
All that and this is the most miles I have driven an SUV in decades. This news has to be frustrating for the Chicken Little fear mongers in the MM/GW cult. I have not forgotten the two nut cases RFK Jr and Al Gore blaming GW Bush for Katrina.
The bodies of thousands of rabbits culled every year from the parks in Stockholm’s Kungsholmen neighbourhood are being used to fuel a heating plant in central Sweden.
http://www.thelocal.se/22610/20091012/
They can come and shoot all the Squirrels and Rabbits they want on my place. They are horrible critters eating everything they can get their teeth into.
North Pole Ice Set To Melt By Summer 2020
Bad News for the coming Ice Age
Scientists at the University of Cambridge say it is "invaluable evidence".
Professor Peter Wadhams, head of the Polar Physics Group said: "Up until now we've always thought of the Arctic Ocean as a white lid on top of the planet.
"But now that lid is being lifted and replaced with an open ocean which changes everything. It really is bad news."
As the ice disappears so too does its wildlife, from polar bears to walrus and seals.
Moreover, the Arctic sea ice has been described as earth's refrigerator, and as it melts, it is expected to have a major impact on the world climate.
Campaigners are taking this latest research to the Copenhagen climate conference in December in the hope that the evidence will convince world leaders to take action in cutting carbon emissions.
I think way too much emphasis is put on climate change. And especially the theory that man is the biggest contributor. So even if we all stopped breathing and parked our cars the ice could melt. We would be wiser to prepare for the results than to try and radically change our behavior. I am not giving up my vehicle so a caribou can live.
Don't forget the freedom the Eskimos have to kill Polar bears & caribou for their parts to sell in the orient. I have personally witnessed both species with their carcasses left with no antlers and certain organs taken and the meat left to rot.
These are a bunch of whiners led by one non native. They have been upset for years because they did not get in on the oil bonanza like the other Arctic villages. I would not believe a word they say.
Even that story wonders how much is cyclical and how much is global warming though.
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That may be the most significant factor. Just how many caribou will a given area support? We see cycles in many different species. Except man without any real enemies. Maybe famine and wars are the natural way to deal with over population and the impact man has on the planet. What annoys me is blaming every little change in the weather on Man.
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