I think good deals are based on the market value of the vehicle. If there is demand, there is no reason for a $11K discount on a such a good vehicle. Over here (Raleigh, NC) I see less CX-9s than new Highlander's, which is incredibly overpriced next to the CX-9.
thanks for all your help. I would have pull the trigger if I can get $9k off. Unfortunately, I only get a $8.4k and another $8.3k off, everybody else (including Russell and Smith and Munday) are not even close to that.
We are getting closed to November and Consumer Report will have the newest report out (with statistics on 2008 vehicles), I am going to wait.
S-Plan is the price for people working on companies that do signifcant business with Ford. It is, in effect, the invoice price plus whatever "administrative fees" the Mazda dealer decides to tack on to it.
It is also open to ANYONE that knows someone at Ford. You can have your Ford contact get you the necessary PIN online within Ford Intranet and go from there. Nor sure though nowadays with the discounts out there, it is worth it?
"Not exactly sure what are they thinking. The stock market is crashing. The housing is going down. The cars are just getting older as days go by. Do they honestly thinking that time is on their side? "
Yes, losing money on inventory makes total sense in a down economy. Are you kidding me? That's the best way to go out of business.
Selling at those outrageous discounts only happened when the threat of 09's were on the horizon, as well as the rest of dealer inventory was consistently going out the door, therefore sales objectives were met, and paid incentives over came the initial losses on the CX-9's. Since overall sales are down, dealers still need to keep the doors open, and are not reluctant to sell at those outrageous discounts because there is a reality that the dealer may not reach their set objective, therefore not getting their payout. It makes perfect sense.
What helps is Mazda cut back production of CX-9's, and dealers have trimmed inventory. There is not the extreme need to move these 08's anymore.
If you cannot get the price you want ($10K off) then do not buy the car! If you can afford to purchase this car, then most likely you do not have to purchase a car today!
Contact a few dealers and make your offer and ask them to contact you when they are ready to move a car. They do not like it much (really cannot blame them), but that is the way it works in a supply and demand system. At some point, Mazda has to give the dealers enough factory to dealer cash to clear the 08 inventory.
New to this and here is what I got...a 2008 Touring with a MSRP of $36350 was quoted to me at the X-plan price of $33750 ($2600 off MSRP) with a $4250 dealer cash (4250 not 4500) for a total price of $29500 and new car interest rate of course, not the 0%. Question, can I from all your experience really do better than this?
You didn't give us a lot of information. It is hard to tell.
The MSRP is pretty high. I imaging you want a Touring with tons of options. You might consider getting a Grand Touring instead.
Use Edmunds to check if the MSRP is around the ball park. link title
You got $6.8k under the MSRP. I got quote that is $8.4k under the MSRP and I am not happy.
But our situation might be different. You might need the car in a hurry. If you absolutely want this particular car from this particular dealer, you shall buy it. But maybe another dealer 30 miles away might have a car that maybe acceptable to you.
Apply auto financing yourself to see what is the rate. CaptialOne offers a rate of 5.44% for 36 months. I am able to get even better at my local credit union.
If you absolutely have to have that car right now. Buy it now. It might be gone in a few days.
But knowing that we are in the middle of one of the greatest financial crisis, the chance that this vehicle will be gone is very low.
In addition, if you are willing to shop around and wait, you will most likely do 1 or 2 thousands of dollars better.
2008 AWD Touring with moonroof/Bose as the only option.
Sticker: $35,310 Invoice: $32,584 Out the door: $25,950 (does not include TTL).
The build date on this vehicle was 10/2007.
I did not pay the doc. fee ($199), told them I wasn't financing with them so there wasn't much for them to do.
I always feel I could have done better, but feel this was a very good, though not excellent, deal. I also got Kelly's "good" condition for my trade.
The dealer, www.woodhouse.com, has more than forty 2008 CX-9s in stock and about thirteen 2009's. In addition to mine with the build date of 10/2007, I looked at a well equipped Sport with a build date of 08/2007. Both had 50 miles on them.
Thanks for feedback. I am in no rush, but starting to weigh my options. My wife's Odysee lease ends in December, I got time. The MSRP is accurate, it is a 2008 Touring with a couple of options (Sunroof, backup camera) so it is not that loaded. But has the bare minimum I need (leather/sunroof). X-plan price quoted seems pretty close to Invoice, what I am hearing from you I can get it significantly below invoice (exluding the $4250)? I am considering a CX-9 or another Honda at this stage. So again, you think for a 2008 CX-9 I should be able to push the dealer for a couple of grand below invoice and then apply the $4250 or 0%? If that is true then the above offer I got (Ford X-plan) is not good enough
see my post above. you are currently getting "invoice" (which, despite its name, still has dealer profit in it) and cash back. you be able to get up to another $2500-3000 IF: (1) dealer will take more off "invoice" (maybe up to $1000) (2) dealer gets and gives you the bonus money he gets for meeting sales goals (up to $2000) a final note, i generally don't like car dealers, and i generally think they try to rip people off. that said, i think people should use this forum and other available information to get a good deal, but still pay a fair price. if there is truly no profit in a sale for a fealer, then you are helping put the dealer out of business. if we all take the view of "these are bad economc times, so squeeze out every penny," then we help create and continue that bad economy. i hope i'm never put in the position of selling at a loss because i'm forced to. my 2 cents...
just bought cx-9 touring. didn't want the GT bells and whistles, but really wish i had the memory driver's seat. does anyone know if it is possible to get a memory unit and hook up to the driver's seat in my touring? i would think the seat up is the same and only a memory chip and the memory buttons would be different, so i could just attach/plug-in a memory seat unit. all thoughts welcome, including where to get memory unit, how much to pay for it, ability to self install, how much to pay to install. thnx.
i've seen ads for fuel chips for cx-9s (and car generally) that claim to improve fuel economy AND driving performance (more HP). see link below (it's long) what do people know about these? what is the down side of getting a chip that improves fuel econ and gives more HP? all thoughts welcome.
No. Save your money and, may be, save your car from damage.
You can have "re-programmed" chip to slightly improved HP, usually at the expense of higher gas consumption. But you can't have higher HP and higher MPG. Phyically, it is not possible. Energy has to come from somewhere.
Thanks for 2 cents! I am USED car dealer too (side business) and know exactly what you are saying. I used this forum extensively to buy my infiniti G35 3 weeks ago and it was extremely helpful. Plan to do the same with the Mazda OR Honda I plan to get before December 19th. I just wanted to make sure there is room to go below invoice and apparently there is, so I will not approach this deal through the Ford X-plan (no haggle, Ford price for Ford suupliers/friends of employees) but rather independently. Thanks
fyi paulo... i too am am eligible for ford supplier pricing (x plan / s-plan for mazdas), but forgot to mention it when i purchased a couple weeks ago. as you mentioned, the s-plan amt is basically the delta btwn msrp & invoice, or $1500-2000.
What you might consider (and what i wish i would have done) is determine the discounts you're getting, and add on the s-plan. I believe you're entitled to other promos / discounts IN ADDITION TO the s-plan price. think i read that on the ford partner site.
of course, they can always refuse to give you s-plan plus other discounts, but you never know unless you ask! which i did not
regarding being ...put in the position of selling at a loss because i'm forced to...
i don't know that dealers are being 'forced' to do anything. i know with my experience, the dealers i contacted and negotiated with were several thousand dollars apart. at 1st, i was amazed. didn't matter that dealer X was offering the same vehicle for $X thousand less, etc. other dealers simply said they could not get there. perhaps b/c they would be selling at a loss? :confuse:
Through this thread, I then learned about the various sales tiers, month end / year end bonuses for meeting sales quotas, and how that can translate to the different dealer offers...
you are currently getting "invoice" (which, despite its name, still has dealer profit in it) and cash back. you be able to get up to another $2500-3000 IF: (1) dealer will take more off "invoice" (maybe up to $1000) (2) dealer gets and gives you the bonus money he gets for meeting sales goals (up to $2000)
Can you please post your source of how you know what the dealer makes from the manufacturer? You are way off, BTW.
This must be fact, not opinion. Also, since every manufacturer is different, please do not use another manufacturer as a guideline.
While it's no secret that the dealer makes incentive money from the manufacturer (Mazda), it does not even come close to $3,000 per copy. Heck, holdback is paid in hundreds.
Since this thread is meant to helpful to those buying a CX-9, thinking that dealers are making money hand over fist even selling these thing below invoice is just simply wrong. There is not as much money in these as some people think.
As a customer, you should always try and get the lowest price you can. There is nothing wrong with that.
Would you know what the approx labor $ would be to have Mazda service install the OEM fog lamps for an 08 cx-7?
I've been quoted two wildly different labor costs from two local dealers. Dealer A quoted $200 and Dealer B quoted $365. Both dealer service centers admitted to never having done this installation before, so should I be wary? Thanks!
***whoops...just realized I posted in the cx-9 forum by mistake. Sorry!!**
I would like to clarify that my post was only directed towards the profit margin on a single CX-9. This discussion is not about, or intended for how a dealership earns money, and how that money is made.
With the current market, all those departments you mentioned take a hit. Earnings all over are down. To make it back up starts in the sales department. That is why mostly all of you looking to buy a CX-9 for $10K off MSRP are not having luck, because the money is just not there.
A real business never survives by taking money from other departments in the business. They all need to make money.
Until Obama takes the White House, we are sill a Capitalist nation, and this is how business is done. :shades:
Unfortunately it seems that capitalism is exacting its harsher lessons on retail outlets. At least where I live, the demand just isn't there, and the "asset" sitting on the lot is not only depreciating but it is also a cost center after a few months.
It is not about whether the incentives are there to back a $10K discount, it is about whether it is better to lose $2K on October or risking losing $2K and interest by February, unless anyone thinks a consumer will be any more inclined to shell *more* money on a year-old unit by then than they are willing to spend on a current year model now.
I don't like seeing businesses selling inventory below cost, in the long run it hurts us all, nor I like being offered $6K off Kelley Blue Blook on a $19K trade, but as you pointed out, that is how capitalism works (for us not in the inner circles of banking and politics.)
I hope you make up on 3s, 5s, and 6s, because the bleeding on CX-9s 08s will continue for several more months.
I'm not going to disagree with you because I don't think you are wrong. I understand that market, and I know whats going on out there. I just wanted to enlighten people as to why you may not have dealers willing to blow these things out, and to understand the realistic amount of money to be made on each one. Again, I'm trying to be informative and helpful.
Every dealer is different. Some are more fortunate then others. I happen to be a lucky one with just a hand full of CX-9's in inventory. They are still a hot ticket item in my area, as are many other 7 passenger crossovers, particularly the Highlander. We have never been worried about selling the CX-9's, even in this terrible market we are in. To be honest, the CX-7's are more of a concern.
The 3's and 6's are good sellers right now. What stinks is the 3's really are not too profitable. But, as mentioned in a previous post "Dealers have to take the good with the bad". I can't disagree with that. We just wish there was more good then bad!! I think that goes for everyone everywhere right now. We are all just trying to get through this tough tough time. Seems we all have something in common.
I really hate politics, however, tis the season. That is why I made the comment I did. :shades:
To install for lights into a CX-7 is a 3.5 hour job. Price will vary depending on what the dealer charges per hour.
Mazda gives really good installation instructions with the fog lights (and every other accessory), and a properly trained tech should do the job within that time.
I was quoted an out the door price of $31,500 for a GT with moonroof/Bose, Blindspot monitoring, Homelink/compass/autodimm. I thought it sounded pretty good and was wondering what others thought. We have talked to SEVERAL dealers! Most of them are not dealing much. They keep telling us business is good, and they are having no problems selling the CX-9. No one came down 10,000 off MSRP. We found that it was closer to 8-8.5K. If you wanted the GT with Navi they were getting closer to 10K. We called some dealers and named our price and they never called us back. We finally found a dealer we really like. Very nice guys! I rather give them our business.
8.5K sounds about right without the navi, which is steep discount for something selling well :-)
Did you verify the claim? Drive to lot after hours, when there are no salesman to distract you, and check the registration sticker on the model you want and also on the other models on the lot. If they are indeed selling well they should all be registered within the last 3 months.
Actually, the dealer doesn't have the car on the lot. They are getting it from another dealer. What's happening is that there are plenty of GT's CX-9's with Navi's , and more of a limited supply of GT's without Navi. We were looking to get one from another dealer without Navi, it was a great price that they were offering, and it sold the next day. I checked their inventory and verified that it was gone. They didn't offer to locate us another one, so we went back to square one. The dealer we are working with now, also doesn't have a GT model with moonroof, Blind Spot, and without Navi. That's why he's searching for us. Seems like more people want the lower end GT's without Navi. 8.5 is a steep discount, and not all the dealers are following that, believe me. We've talked to plenty that were only coming down about 6k.
Has anyone purchased a 2008 CX-9 (any model) on either the east or west coast?
tristate, up towards the top of the screen, there's a "search this discussion" field. have you tried typing in states out east or west to see if anyone's posted from those regions? if i recall, one poster "fishoppa" i think, purchased in northern california, and posted his experience recently...
Drive to lot after hours, when there are no salesman to distract you, and check the registration sticker on the model you want and also on the other models on the lot. If they are indeed selling well they should all be registered within the last 3 months.
What does that mean? There is no way to look at a brand new CX-9 and tell how long it's been there.
If they are indeed selling well they should all be registered within the last 3 months. What does that mean? There is no way to look at a brand new CX-9 and tell how long it's been there.
My interpretation: On the window sticker, isn't there a date that says when the vehicle was shipped or arrived or something? I thought there was, but I may be mistaken...
If not, I would agree with you. You'd have to open the driver door & look at the mfg date.
What does that mean? There is no way to look at a brand new CX-9 and tell how long it's been there.
Ops, I meant the state inspection sticker posted on the lower corner of the windshield; it indicates month and year when the car was inspected and is a good indication of when it arrived on the lot Mine has the inspection dated April/08 and was manufactured on Feb/08.
Not sure the state inspection and sticker are mandatory on all states, I am in NC.
Just paid $30K even for a $40,200 GT with just about everything on it. Nav, Bose, blind spot monitoring, power tailgate, moonroof, etc. ....$10,200 discount. It was in the Portland Oregon area. The only things it didn't have were the tow package, and the rear seat entertainment.
Definitely check your build date. It is in the driver's side door jam. The first few they showed me were built in August of 2007 and didn't have the self-dimming mirror with homelink or the blind spot monitoring system. We then "found" one in their storage area with 2 miles on the odomenter built in May of 2008.
I did not actually buy, but did receive a great quote, and they were willing to perform, but trade in ended up getting in the way in the end. I initally thought I would not trade anything in, but decided to at last moment, and unfortunately that killed the deal.
I am in Bay Area California. I agreed to a price of $9700 below MSRP. I negotiated a 22,000 even plus TTL deal on an AWD Sport with front power seat. I did not quite reach 10,000 off, but I figured I was close enough.
The only way to tell is looking at the production date on the door jam. But, remember, these CX-9's come from Japan and are already 2 months old before dealers get them.
I have reviewed this site and now I know what to expect when I go shop around. I went to a dealership yesterday since it was the end of the month and the best price I could get was $35,200 (this was the out the door price)
Below are the features this car included.
Black on Black GT CX-9 AWD
ASSISTANCE PACKAGE MOONROOF/BOSE/6 CD PACKAGE TOWING PACKAGE BLIND SPOT MONITORING SYSTEM ALL-WEATHER FLOOR MATS COMPASS/AUTO-DIM MIRROR WITH HOMELINK FRONT/REAR SPLASH GUARDS REMOTE ENGINE START ROOF RAILS
I thought if I waited until the end of the month I would get a better price. This was a similar price I got 2 months ago from another dealership. When I was talking to the manager yesterday, he told me how he could not get any lower and he did not have any more money to discount.
I think next time I will not wait until the last day of the month, I will try a week before the end of the month. I was hoping to get $33,000 (out the door price). Is that too aggressive?
#1323 of 1325 My CX-9 buying Experience by dandydonii Oct 31, 2008 (11:33 pm) I did not actually buy, but did receive a great quote, and they were willing to perform, but trade in ended up getting in the way in the end. I initally thought I would not trade anything in, but decided to at last moment, and unfortunately that killed the deal.
I am in Bay Area California. I agreed to a price of $9700 below MSRP. I negotiated a 22,000 even plus TTL deal on an AWD Sport with front power seat. I did not quite reach 10,000 off, but I figured I was close enough.
Obviously. Happy hunting everone.
Hi Dandydonii,
$9700 below msrp for a Sport AWD is an awesome discount for the bay area. I was not able to get any dealers to go that low for a sport or touring last month (Sep/Oct). Good Job!
Was this for a white Sport AWD? Can you email me OR post the name of the dealer that you negotiated with? Thanks!
In September I made my Mazda 5 lease payment. The company mis-posted the amount and processed the check for $90.00 less than what it should have been. I made my October payment.
In the last 24 hours I have received four phone calls from very rude individuals who each have given me a different story as to why I was late $90.00. I responded to the first call prior to researching the issue and stated I would send the amount immediately. I was then called three more times after that and was told they did not have an automated system to record the first calls.
I asked to speak to a supervisor and was given the name of an individual who does not even exist in the company. I was given a fax number and faxed a copy of the check to that number. When I went to call the person I had faxed it too I was told he did not exist in the company. Eventually after four more calls I found that in fact the fax was received and the issue was being researched.
Conclusion undoubtedly the most rude, arrogant and dishonest company I have ever done business with. I personally would not buy any product from Ford Motor company in the future including Ford, Volvo, Jaguar, Lincoln etc. If you do I would strongly recommend not financing through either Ford credit or Mazda.
While the financial future of this company in tenuous they have decided to abuse the customer probably as a strategy to maintain a dwindling cash flow. I also will not do business with the dealer Scott Mazda in Allentown PA.
I have filed a report with the FTC re the harassment by Ford Motor Company by telephone. The number of calls especially given the amount was excessive. The manner of the call agents varies from passive aggressive to out right hostel. These are cruel nasty people. They seem to find pleasure in harassing their consumers.
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thanks for all your help. I would have pull the trigger if I can get $9k off. Unfortunately, I only get a $8.4k and another $8.3k off, everybody else (including Russell and Smith and Munday) are not even close to that.
We are getting closed to November and Consumer Report will have the newest report out (with statistics on 2008 vehicles), I am going to wait.
Yes, losing money on inventory makes total sense in a down economy. Are you kidding me? That's the best way to go out of business.
Selling at those outrageous discounts only happened when the threat of 09's were on the horizon, as well as the rest of dealer inventory was consistently going out the door, therefore sales objectives were met, and paid incentives over came the initial losses on the CX-9's. Since overall sales are down, dealers still need to keep the doors open, and are not reluctant to sell at those outrageous discounts because there is a reality that the dealer may not reach their set objective, therefore not getting their payout. It makes perfect sense.
What helps is Mazda cut back production of CX-9's, and dealers have trimmed inventory. There is not the extreme need to move these 08's anymore.
Contact a few dealers and make your offer and ask them to contact you when they are ready to move a car. They do not like it much (really cannot blame them), but that is the way it works in a supply and demand system. At some point, Mazda has to give the dealers enough factory to dealer cash to clear the 08 inventory.
Time is on the side of the customer!
If I can believe Mazdausa and the dealer's website, this MA dealer has 43 '08 CX-9, 3 '09 CX-7 and no '09 CX-9. I guess time is on my side.
The dealer engagement cash is $4,250, they are right. It is not $4,500. You cannot combine the $4,250 with the 0% financing. Again, they are right.
If you are putting a good amount of money down, the rebate might be the best way to go. If you are financing the whole thing, the 0% is the way to go.
The deals will change once Mazda puts more factory to dealer cash on the table.
Good Luck.
The MSRP is pretty high. I imaging you want a Touring with tons of options. You might consider getting a Grand Touring instead.
Use Edmunds to check if the MSRP is around the ball park.
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You got $6.8k under the MSRP. I got quote that is $8.4k under the MSRP and I am not happy.
But our situation might be different. You might need the car in a hurry. If you absolutely want this particular car from this particular dealer, you shall buy it. But maybe another dealer 30 miles away might have a car that maybe acceptable to you.
Use link title to check for availability.
Apply auto financing yourself to see what is the rate. CaptialOne offers a rate of 5.44% for 36 months. I am able to get even better at my local credit union.
If you absolutely have to have that car right now. Buy it now. It might be gone in a few days.
But knowing that we are in the middle of one of the greatest financial crisis, the chance that this vehicle will be gone is very low.
In addition, if you are willing to shop around and wait, you will most likely do 1 or 2 thousands of dollars better.
I hope I helped.
2008 AWD Touring with moonroof/Bose as the only option.
Sticker: $35,310
Invoice: $32,584
Out the door: $25,950 (does not include TTL).
The build date on this vehicle was 10/2007.
I did not pay the doc. fee ($199), told them I wasn't financing with them so there wasn't much for them to do.
I always feel I could have done better, but feel this was a very good, though not excellent, deal. I also got Kelly's "good" condition for my trade.
The dealer, www.woodhouse.com, has more than forty 2008 CX-9s in stock and about thirteen 2009's. In addition to mine with the build date of 10/2007, I looked at a well equipped Sport with a build date of 08/2007. Both had 50 miles on them.
John
Enjoy your car.
you are currently getting "invoice" (which, despite its name, still has dealer profit in it) and cash back.
you be able to get up to another $2500-3000 IF:
(1) dealer will take more off "invoice" (maybe up to $1000)
(2) dealer gets and gives you the bonus money he gets for meeting sales goals (up to $2000)
a final note, i generally don't like car dealers, and i generally think they try to rip people off.
that said, i think people should use this forum and other available information to get a good deal, but still pay a fair price.
if there is truly no profit in a sale for a fealer, then you are helping put the dealer out of business.
if we all take the view of "these are bad economc times, so squeeze out every penny," then we help create and continue that bad economy.
i hope i'm never put in the position of selling at a loss because i'm forced to.
my 2 cents...
didn't want the GT bells and whistles, but really wish i had the memory driver's seat.
does anyone know if it is possible to get a memory unit and hook up to the driver's seat in my touring?
i would think the seat up is the same and only a memory chip and the memory buttons would be different, so i could just attach/plug-in a memory seat unit.
all thoughts welcome, including where to get memory unit, how much to pay for it, ability to self install, how much to pay to install.
thnx.
what do people know about these? what is the down side of getting a chip that improves fuel econ and gives more HP?
all thoughts welcome.
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You can have "re-programmed" chip to slightly improved HP, usually at the expense of higher gas consumption. But you can't have higher HP and higher MPG. Phyically, it is not possible. Energy has to come from somewhere.
What you might consider (and what i wish i would have done) is determine the discounts you're getting, and add on the s-plan. I believe you're entitled to other promos / discounts IN ADDITION TO the s-plan price. think i read that on the ford partner site.
of course, they can always refuse to give you s-plan plus other discounts, but you never know unless you ask!
regarding being ...put in the position of selling at a loss because i'm forced to...
i don't know that dealers are being 'forced' to do anything. i know with my experience, the dealers i contacted and negotiated with were several thousand dollars apart. at 1st, i was amazed. didn't matter that dealer X was offering the same vehicle for $X thousand less, etc. other dealers simply said they could not get there. perhaps b/c they would be selling at a loss? :confuse:
Through this thread, I then learned about the various sales tiers, month end / year end bonuses for meeting sales quotas, and how that can translate to the different dealer offers...
you be able to get up to another $2500-3000 IF:
(1) dealer will take more off "invoice" (maybe up to $1000)
(2) dealer gets and gives you the bonus money he gets for meeting sales goals (up to $2000)
Can you please post your source of how you know what the dealer makes from the manufacturer? You are way off, BTW.
This must be fact, not opinion. Also, since every manufacturer is different, please do not use another manufacturer as a guideline.
If so, spill it!!
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While it's no secret that the dealer makes incentive money from the manufacturer (Mazda), it does not even come close to $3,000 per copy. Heck, holdback is paid in hundreds.
Since this thread is meant to helpful to those buying a CX-9, thinking that dealers are making money hand over fist even selling these thing below invoice is just simply wrong. There is not as much money in these as some people think.
As a customer, you should always try and get the lowest price you can. There is nothing wrong with that.
Would you know what the approx labor $ would be to have Mazda service install the OEM fog lamps for an 08 cx-7?
I've been quoted two wildly different labor costs from two local dealers. Dealer A quoted $200 and Dealer B quoted $365. Both dealer service centers admitted to never having done this installation before, so should I be wary? Thanks!
***whoops...just realized I posted in the cx-9 forum by mistake. Sorry!!**
Do you work at a car dealership?
Let's be honest, here is where the dealership makes its money:
uninformed customers (big profit margin)
somewhat informed customers (good profit margin)
informed customer (some profit margin)
savvy customer (little to no profit margin)
Additionally, most dealers average $1500 on each used car.
With all the factory to dealer cash and sales bonuses, it all averages out or they would not keep the doors open!
Do not forget the profits from financing, extended warranties, parts, service, paint and body, etc...
It was not too long ago that dealers were getting close to MSRP for a CX-9.
Dealers must take the good along with the bad!
With the current market, all those departments you mentioned take a hit. Earnings all over are down. To make it back up starts in the sales department. That is why mostly all of you looking to buy a CX-9 for $10K off MSRP are not having luck, because the money is just not there.
A real business never survives by taking money from other departments in the business. They all need to make money.
Until Obama takes the White House, we are sill a Capitalist nation, and this is how business is done. :shades:
It is not about whether the incentives are there to back a $10K discount, it is about whether it is better to lose $2K on October or risking losing $2K and interest by February, unless anyone thinks a consumer will be any more inclined to shell *more* money on a year-old unit by then than they are willing to spend on a current year model now.
I don't like seeing businesses selling inventory below cost, in the long run it hurts us all, nor I like being offered $6K off Kelley Blue Blook on a $19K trade, but as you pointed out, that is how capitalism works (for us not in the inner circles of banking and politics.)
I hope you make up on 3s, 5s, and 6s, because the bleeding on CX-9s 08s will continue for several more months.
Every dealer is different. Some are more fortunate then others. I happen to be a lucky one with just a hand full of CX-9's in inventory. They are still a hot ticket item in my area, as are many other 7 passenger crossovers, particularly the Highlander. We have never been worried about selling the CX-9's, even in this terrible market we are in. To be honest, the CX-7's are more of a concern.
The 3's and 6's are good sellers right now. What stinks is the 3's really are not too profitable. But, as mentioned in a previous post "Dealers have to take the good with the bad". I can't disagree with that. We just wish there was more good then bad!! I think that goes for everyone everywhere right now. We are all just trying to get through this tough tough time. Seems we all have something in common.
I really hate politics, however, tis the season. That is why I made the comment I did. :shades:
To install for lights into a CX-7 is a 3.5 hour job. Price will vary depending on what the dealer charges per hour.
Mazda gives really good installation instructions with the fog lights (and every other accessory), and a properly trained tech should do the job within that time.
Did you verify the claim? Drive to lot after hours, when there are no salesman to distract you, and check the registration sticker on the model you want and also on the other models on the lot. If they are indeed selling well they should all be registered within the last 3 months.
Thanks,
James
tristate,
up towards the top of the screen, there's a "search this discussion" field. have you tried typing in states out east or west to see if anyone's posted from those regions? if i recall, one poster "fishoppa" i think, purchased in northern california, and posted his experience recently...
What does that mean? There is no way to look at a brand new CX-9 and tell how long it's been there.
What does that mean? There is no way to look at a brand new CX-9 and tell how long it's been there.
My interpretation: On the window sticker, isn't there a date that says when the vehicle was shipped or arrived or something? I thought there was, but I may be mistaken...
If not, I would agree with you. You'd have to open the driver door & look at the mfg date.
Ops, I meant the state inspection sticker posted on the lower corner of the windshield; it indicates month and year when the car was inspected and is a good indication of when it arrived on the lot Mine has the inspection dated April/08 and was manufactured on Feb/08.
Not sure the state inspection and sticker are mandatory on all states, I am in NC.
Definitely check your build date. It is in the driver's side door jam. The first few they showed me were built in August of 2007 and didn't have the self-dimming mirror with homelink or the blind spot monitoring system. We then "found" one in their storage area with 2 miles on the odomenter built in May of 2008.
I am in Bay Area California. I agreed to a price of $9700 below MSRP. I negotiated a 22,000 even plus TTL deal on an AWD Sport with front power seat. I did not quite reach 10,000 off, but I figured I was close enough.
Obviously. Happy hunting everone.
The only way to tell is looking at the production date on the door jam. But, remember, these CX-9's come from Japan and are already 2 months old before dealers get them.
Below are the features this car included.
Black on Black GT CX-9 AWD
ASSISTANCE PACKAGE
MOONROOF/BOSE/6 CD PACKAGE
TOWING PACKAGE
BLIND SPOT MONITORING SYSTEM
ALL-WEATHER FLOOR MATS
COMPASS/AUTO-DIM MIRROR WITH HOMELINK
FRONT/REAR SPLASH GUARDS
REMOTE ENGINE START
ROOF RAILS
I thought if I waited until the end of the month I would get a better price. This was a similar price I got 2 months ago from another dealership. When I was talking to the manager yesterday, he told me how he could not get any lower and he did not have any more money to discount.
I think next time I will not wait until the last day of the month, I will try a week before the end of the month. I was hoping to get $33,000 (out the door price). Is that too aggressive?
I did not actually buy, but did receive a great quote, and they were willing to perform, but trade in ended up getting in the way in the end. I initally thought I would not trade anything in, but decided to at last moment, and unfortunately that killed the deal.
I am in Bay Area California. I agreed to a price of $9700 below MSRP. I negotiated a 22,000 even plus TTL deal on an AWD Sport with front power seat. I did not quite reach 10,000 off, but I figured I was close enough.
Obviously. Happy hunting everone.
Hi Dandydonii,
$9700 below msrp for a Sport AWD is an awesome discount for the bay area. I was not able to get any dealers to go that low for a sport or touring last month (Sep/Oct). Good Job!
Was this for a white Sport AWD? Can you email me OR post the name of the dealer that you negotiated with? Thanks!
-Fish
In the last 24 hours I have received four phone calls from very rude individuals who each have given me a different story as to why I was late $90.00. I responded to the first call prior to researching the issue and stated I would send the amount immediately. I was then called three more times after that and was told they did not have an automated system to record the first calls.
I asked to speak to a supervisor and was given the name of an individual who does not even exist in the company. I was given a fax number and faxed a copy of the check to that number. When I went to call the person I had faxed it too I was told he did not exist in the company. Eventually after four more calls I found that in fact the fax was received and the issue was being researched.
Conclusion undoubtedly the most rude, arrogant and dishonest company I have ever done business with. I personally would not buy any product from Ford Motor company in the future including Ford, Volvo, Jaguar, Lincoln etc. If you do I would strongly recommend not financing through either Ford credit or Mazda.
While the financial future of this company in tenuous they have decided to abuse the customer probably as a strategy to maintain a dwindling cash flow. I also will not do business with the dealer Scott Mazda in Allentown PA.
I have filed a report with the FTC re the harassment by Ford Motor Company by telephone. The number of calls especially given the amount was excessive. The manner of the call agents varies from passive aggressive to out right hostel. These are cruel nasty people. They seem to find pleasure in harassing their consumers.