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snakeweasel

stickguy said:

I like the personal trainer idea. I have never done the gym and really could use someone to show me what to do. I can go do it by myself if I get directions!

I would be careful of getting a personal trainer because some of them are just plain bad. Get good recommendations and and if they tell you to do something that just doesn't feel right don't do it, talking from experience here guys.

driver100

kyfdx said:

It isn’t a gambling problem, it’s a math problem

2/38 = 1/19
Math doesn’t change just because the numbers are bigger.
I know the average person is bad at math, but I’m still in awe of how convinced they are of the wrong answer. 😕

I have to concede, technically it does double your chance of winning. I have looked up this question and it baffles people. The reason it is baffling is because technically you are correct, 2 tickets do double your chance of winning, ,
BUT
It does not however, significantly (realistically) improve your chances of winning.

It's kind of smoke and mirrors, yes it does double the chance, but since the chance of winning is so small, it is almost meaningless. It depends on how you look at it. Doubling your chance when it was almost impossible to win, does not help a whole lot.

Michaell

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

It isn’t a gambling problem, it’s a math problem

2/38 = 1/19
Math doesn’t change just because the numbers are bigger.
I know the average person is bad at math, but I’m still in awe of how convinced they are of the wrong answer. 😕

I have to concede, technically it does double your chance of winning. I have looked up this question and it baffles people. The reason it is baffling is because technically you are correct, 2 tickets do double your chance of winning, ,
BUT
It does not however, significantly (realistically) improve your chances of winning.

It's kind of smoke and mirrors, yes it does double the chance, but since the chance of winning is so small, it is almost meaningless. It depends on how you look at it. Doubling your chance when it was almost impossible to win, does not help a whole lot.

Exactly.

Kind of like when leasing, we will occasionally get a member who complains that a money factor of .00028 is four times higher than a money factor of .00007. True, but the actual difference in payment is still pretty small.

Do I play the lottery? Occasionally, I buy a ticket to PowerBall, MegaMillions and the CO lottery ($5 total, for the moment). Generally, I'll do it when one of the jackpots is pretty high - despite the massive odds, somebody is bound to win. Why not me?

snakeweasel

Well my wife sets up her christmas stuff every year which includes red white and green blocks that spell out "merry christmas". Of course me being me I tend to rearrange them and then she corrects it. So far she hasn't noticed it. Seeing what it now says I thought I would share it with you.

roadburner

corvette said:

"Close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades...

And thermonuclear exchanges...

jmonroe1

corvette said:

"Close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades...

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You can put Quoits on that list too, smarty pants.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

qbrozen said:

@kyfdx said:

If you have 2 numbers out of 300 million, your chances of winning are 1 in 150 million.

If you have 10 numbers, then 1 in 30 million.

If you have 150 million numbers out of 300 million, your chances are 1 in 2. 50/50.

That’s exactly the way it works.

No, it really isn’t. Each of those tix does not have a 1:150M chance. Let’s try a smaller example. Let’s say you have a carton of 12 eggs. 11 white and 1 blue. Blindfolded, you have to pick the blue. On your first chance, you have a 1 in 12 shot. On your 2nd chance, what do you think your odds are? I promise you it isn’t 1 in 6.

In your example if you pick 1 you have a 8.33% chance of picking the blue egg.

If you are allowed to pick 2 eggs you know have a 16.67% chance of one of those two eggs being blue

if you are allowed to pick three 25.00% of one of those being the blue one and so on and so forth.

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If you have one chance of winning in 302million, and you buy 2 tickets, your odds of winning don't double.
The two tickets have very different numbers, the fact you have twice as many tickets doesn't mean you have doubled your chance. Even if there was one ticket sold and you had one ticket, what are the odds you will get the 6 numbers correct?
If you bought 2 tickets you have 2 chances, but you still need to get the correct 6 numbers.
The numbers make for thousands of possible outcomes.
You only have a fraction of a better chance of winning....not double....IMHumbleOpinion.

But if you have two chances of winning you have twice as many chances of winning, hence your odds are double. Of course it goes from a 0.00000033% to a 0.00000066% so its practically null be it one or two tickets.

.....and that is the real point. I think both answers are right in their own way. But, it is deceiving people to say you have twice as much chance of winning if you buy two tickets. You have a miniscule better chance......in fact the odds are much greater that you are going to lose $2s instead of $1.
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Are you trying to get half credit about this discussion. It’s one or the other, just accept it.

I agree that each ticket has the same minuscule chance of winning but 2 minuscule chances are still better than 1. That’s kinda 5th grade math.

jmonroe

suydam

I think we have discussed the lottery more than the people who run it do.
When we moved I got a personal trainer rec from my primary care doc (he was a client) and it’s worked out really well. I started doing it about a year or so before my transplant, because I figured my chances of healing from a major surgery were better if I was in shape to begin with. That was about 15 years ago.

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

It isn’t a gambling problem, it’s a math problem

2/38 = 1/19
Math doesn’t change just because the numbers are bigger.
I know the average person is bad at math, but I’m still in awe of how convinced they are of the wrong answer. 😕

I have to concede, technically it does double your chance of winning. I have looked up this question and it baffles people. The reason it is baffling is because technically you are correct, 2 tickets do double your chance of winning, ,
BUT
It does not however, significantly (realistically) improve your chances of winning.

It's kind of smoke and mirrors, yes it does double the chance, but since the chance of winning is so small, it is almost meaningless. It depends on how you look at it. Doubling your chance when it was almost impossible to win, does not help a whole lot.

Exactly.

Kind of like when leasing, we will occasionally get a member who complains that a money factor of .00028 is four times higher than a money factor of .00007. True, but the actual difference in payment is still pretty small.

Do I play the lottery? Occasionally, I buy a ticket to PowerBall, MegaMillions and the CO lottery ($5 total, for the moment). Generally, I'll do it when one of the jackpots is pretty high - despite the massive odds, somebody is bound to win. Why not me?

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And that is how the lotteries work. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you can still buy groceries. I have noticed far too many folks buying $10 or more of lottery tickets at the grocery store right after they went through the grocery line using food stamps.

One time the husband was at the lottery machine and yells to his wife (that is just about to present her food stamps at the register), “should I buy the usual $10 or more since the jack pot is high?” The wile shouts back, “yeah, might as well buy another $10 worth). I couldn’t help but shake my head. I guess all they had were food stamps and the hope of “living the dream” !!!

jmonroe

stickguy

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

I like the personal trainer idea. I have never done the gym and really could use someone to show me what to do. I can go do it by myself if I get directions!

I would be careful of getting a personal trainer because some of them are just plain bad. Get good recommendations and and if they tell you to do something that just doesn't feel right don't do it, talking from experience here guys.

I need my daughter to move out by us (her current eventual plan). She is a bit of a gym rat and can show me everything to do.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

snakeweasel said:

stickguy said:

I like the personal trainer idea. I have never done the gym and really could use someone to show me what to do. I can go do it by myself if I get directions!

I would be careful of getting a personal trainer because some of them are just plain bad. Get good recommendations and and if they tell you to do something that just doesn't feel right don't do it, talking from experience here guys.

I need my daughter to move out by us (her current eventual plan). She is a bit of a gym rat and can show me everything to do.

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What goes around comes around. How much do you think she’s going to charge you?

jmonroe

stickguy

if she does, I will charge her for consulting on her car deals, and bill her for all the handyman work expected on her new house. And cancel my netflix subscription that she has hijacked.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

qbrozen said:

@kyfdx said:

If you have 2 numbers out of 300 million, your chances of winning are 1 in 150 million.

If you have 10 numbers, then 1 in 30 million.

If you have 150 million numbers out of 300 million, your chances are 1 in 2. 50/50.

That’s exactly the way it works.

No, it really isn’t. Each of those tix does not have a 1:150M chance. Let’s try a smaller example. Let’s say you have a carton of 12 eggs. 11 white and 1 blue. Blindfolded, you have to pick the blue. On your first chance, you have a 1 in 12 shot. On your 2nd chance, what do you think your odds are? I promise you it isn’t 1 in 6.

In your example if you pick 1 you have a 8.33% chance of picking the blue egg.

If you are allowed to pick 2 eggs you know have a 16.67% chance of one of those two eggs being blue

if you are allowed to pick three 25.00% of one of those being the blue one and so on and so forth.

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If you have one chance of winning in 302million, and you buy 2 tickets, your odds of winning don't double.
The two tickets have very different numbers, the fact you have twice as many tickets doesn't mean you have doubled your chance. Even if there was one ticket sold and you had one ticket, what are the odds you will get the 6 numbers correct?
If you bought 2 tickets you have 2 chances, but you still need to get the correct 6 numbers.
The numbers make for thousands of possible outcomes.
You only have a fraction of a better chance of winning....not double....IMHumbleOpinion.

But if you have two chances of winning you have twice as many chances of winning, hence your odds are double. Of course it goes from a 0.00000033% to a 0.00000066% so its practically null be it one or two tickets.

.....and that is the real point. I think both answers are right in their own way. But, it is deceiving people to say you have twice as much chance of winning if you buy two tickets. You have a miniscule better chance......in fact the odds are much greater that you are going to lose $2s instead of $1.

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Are you trying to get half credit about this discussion. It’s one or the other, just accept it.

I agree that each ticket has the same minuscule chance of winning but 2 minuscule chances are still better than 1. That’s kinda 5th grade math.

jmonroe

Not when the odds are you will be throwing away $2 instead of $1.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

kyfdx said:

It isn’t a gambling problem, it’s a math problem

2/38 = 1/19
Math doesn’t change just because the numbers are bigger.
I know the average person is bad at math, but I’m still in awe of how convinced they are of the wrong answer. 😕

I have to concede, technically it does double your chance of winning. I have looked up this question and it baffles people. The reason it is baffling is because technically you are correct, 2 tickets do double your chance of winning, ,
BUT
It does not however, significantly (realistically) improve your chances of winning.

It's kind of smoke and mirrors, yes it does double the chance, but since the chance of winning is so small, it is almost meaningless. It depends on how you look at it. Doubling your chance when it was almost impossible to win, does not help a whole lot.

Exactly.

Kind of like when leasing, we will occasionally get a member who complains that a money factor of .00028 is four times higher than a money factor of .00007. True, but the actual difference in payment is still pretty small.

Do I play the lottery? Occasionally, I buy a ticket to PowerBall, MegaMillions and the CO lottery ($5 total, for the moment). Generally, I'll do it when one of the jackpots is pretty high - despite the massive odds, somebody is bound to win. Why not me?

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And that is how the lotteries work. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you can still buy groceries. I have noticed far too many folks buying $10 or more of lottery tickets at the grocery store right after they went through the grocery line using food stamps.

One time the husband was at the lottery machine and yells to his wife (that is just about to present her food stamps at the register), “should I buy the usual $10 or more since the jack pot is high?” The wile shouts back, “yeah, might as well buy another $10 worth). I couldn’t help but shake my head. I guess all they had were food stamps and the hope of “living the dream” !!!

jmonroe

Unfortunately, the people who need the money are more prone to use the money they have to buy lottery tickets.

driver100

When we got our treadmill we got a card with 3 free lessons from a personal instructor.
He had us doing exercises with weights as well....I think weights are more important than the treadmill.
We purchased about 5 more lessons from the personal instructor. Then I thought I can do this on my own, I just need a DVD and my own weights, and I can do exercises in the comfort of my own home, play the DVD, watch TV, and save a lot of money.
Been doing that for about 10 years.
No 15 minute drive each way to the gym, no wiping off equipment, no fighting for the proper equipment, simple easy, 30 minutes 2 or 3 times a week.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

if she does, I will charge her for consulting on her car deals, and bill her for all the handyman work expected on her new house. And cancel my netflix subscription that she has hijacked.

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You don’t have to get so vengeful about it. After all, she is flesh and blood.

jmonroe

laurasdada

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

I did ship today. Not cars sadly. But we did test drive a couple of elipticals. That is turning out to be way harder to pick than I expected. With one frustration is it is almost impossible to find most of them to try out. And given size and cost, not easy to return if you don’t like them!. And like a lot of stuff, the jump from more basic stuff $1,000) to the fancier stuff ($3/5k) is quick and harsh. And the internal debate about not wanting cheap junk you won’t use or that falls apart, vs paying a bunch for capacity you will never use

Home exercise equipment never seems to be worth the cost. Cheap stuff will turn out to be useless. Expensive stuff you never get your money's worth. I consider those luxury items. (though, nothing wrong with that, if that is where you want to spend your money)

Easy for me to say. I have a Planet Fitness that is 1.5 miles away, and the cost is zero.

Zero cost as you walk to your PF, look in the window, turn around and walk home? Stopping for coffee and a donut, of course.

xwesx

driver100 said:

jmonroe1 said:

One time the husband was at the lottery machine and yells to his wife (that is just about to present her food stamps at the register), “should I buy the usual $10 or more since the jack pot is high?” The wile shouts back, “yeah, might as well buy another $10 worth). I couldn’t help but shake my head. I guess all they had were food stamps and the hope of “living the dream” !!!

jmonroe

Unfortunately, the people who need the money are more prone to use the money they have to buy lottery tickets.

And that is why I despise lotteries - they prey on those least able to afford them. If anyone doubts that, just look at how and where lotteries are advertised! Granted, folks who are bad with money will easily figure out other ways to blow it. It's not uncommon at all to see them buying their lottery tickets alongside cigarettes or alcohol, or both, just for the sake of emptying that dusty pocket a little faster.

nyccarguy

@xwesx said:
And that is why I despise lotteries - they prey on those least able to afford them. If anyone doubts that, just look at how and where lotteries are advertised! Granted, folks who are bad with money will easily figure out other ways to blow it. It's not uncommon at all to see them buying their lottery tickets alongside cigarettes or alcohol, or both, just for the sake of emptying that dusty pocket a little faster.

100% truth. You describe a guy whom I employ. I’d say works for me, but it would be a gross misuse of the word work. He smokes, drinks (the most likely reason he didn’t show up to work on Saturday). He plays lotto all the time along with the illegal numbers. I know what he makes. He can’t afford the money he throws away on lotto. Heck. Not that I’m Rockefeller, but I can’t afford what he spends on lotto.

explorerx4

This just opened very close to my house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgKCpyMR-aE

kyfdx

Generally not a big fan of roundabouts. But, our Ohio River interstate bridge closed, and if the local bridge didn't have a roundabout at the south end, we'd never be able to get home. It's super efficient when moving high volumes of traffic.

Unfortunately, most of the newbies to the roundabout seem to be bad at math.

stickguy

I like it. we have quite a few round ones in this area and overall they are much better than signaled (or free for all!) traditional intersections. Have not tried a odd shaped one but they have advantages.

Right near my house, there is a 4 way intersection that has very odd angles, and includes an exit from a shopping center. It has a light but it often hard to tell who has green, and most people are making a turn. It is usually clogged up, and often nerve wracking to use. But, rumor on the neighborhood site is that they are finalizing plans for a roundabout there. Which will be a big improvement. I am guessing it will need to have at least a half peanut shape though, because one quarter wedge is a couple of back yards with houses not set all that far back. the other sides seem to have plenty of room (access buffer to the shopping center, and a grass area at the corner of a Stewarts that is set pretty far back. so instead of a peanut, maybe a cashew!

corvette

laurasdada said:

Zero cost as you walk to your PF, look in the window, turn around and walk home? Stopping for coffee and a donut, of course.

Pretty sure he's old... like, Silver Sneakers old.

oldfarmer50

“ Have not tried an odd shaped one but they have advantages.”

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

stickguy

not sure what to call that design, but never thought of it as a roundabout since it is a fully signaled intersection. Just with odd angles for some of the exit ramps!

Michaell

Re: Roundabouts.

Not sure that I've mentioned this, but I've taken another part-time job, this one driving adjacent. I've become a licensed driving instructor and am working for a small company here in town.

Working with a lot of teenagers has been eye-opening. Most of them are looking forward to having their freedom to go where they want, when they want, contrary to what I've been reading in the media.

But, roundabouts are pretty prevalent where I live, and getting them to navigate those correctly can be a challenge, especially those with two lanes.

xwesx

explorerx4 said:

This just opened very close to my house.

We have one that looks nearly identical to that, but under an overpass, at the end of my local road. It's terribly annoying mostly due to its lack of necessity in even being there (just not enough traffic to warrant it), but also because 90% of the traffic that uses it does so in one specific direction. And, of course, that traffic flow is required to travel the furthest of any through that roundabout. Which means, of course, that it adds about a minute onto the commute time, plus the fact that it is Fairbanks, Alaska, so it is icy about seven months of the year... and on a slope toward the outer edge of the circles, which make the space nearly impossible to traverse at times without bumping off the outer curb repeatedly.

I often will just drive through the middle to avoid the slick conditions, or cross over ahead of the circle to skip the second circumference altogether.

I tried to convince the designers to set it up as a reverse roundabout, which addressed their concern (apparently, safety, even though their statistics could only cite nine collisions and one injury collision over the prior decade) along with most of the public that went to their meetings, but they wouldn't hear of it. As expected, the public meetings were only to check off the boxes on the checklist.

stickguy

not sure why, but I found this fascinating.

and anyone who has ever used it should get a laugh about the early on comments about ending bottlenecks and traffic jams!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxVNa6PMHX0&ab_channel=WilliamLitant

jmonroe1

xwesx said:

explorerx4 said:

This just opened very close to my house.

We have one that looks nearly identical to that, but under an overpass, at the end of my local road. It's terribly annoying mostly due to its lack of necessity in even being there (just not enough traffic to warrant it), but also because 90% of the traffic that uses it does so in one specific direction. And, of course, that traffic flow is required to travel the furthest of any through that roundabout. Which means, of course, that it adds about a minute onto the commute time, plus the fact that it is Fairbanks, Alaska, so it is icy about seven months of the year... and on a slope toward the outer edge of the circles, which make the space nearly impossible to traverse at times without bumping off the outer curb repeatedly.

I often will just drive through the middle to avoid the slick conditions, or cross over ahead of the circle to skip the second circumference altogether.

I tried to convince the designers to set it up as a reverse roundabout, which addressed their concern (apparently, safety, even though their statistics could only cite nine collisions and one injury collision over the prior decade) along with most of the public that went to their meetings, but they wouldn't hear of it. As expected, the public meetings were only to check off the boxes on the checklist.

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That’s typical of government public meetings. Like, “Don’t cite us facts our minds are made up. Live with it. You’ll get used to it. Thanks for attending our meeting and have a nice day.” Pretty much exactly like that.

jmonroe

driver100

Michaell said:

Re: Roundabouts.

Not sure that I've mentioned this, but I've taken another part-time job, this one driving adjacent. I've become a licensed driving instructor and am working for a small company here in town.

Working with a lot of teenagers has been eye-opening. Most of them are looking forward to having their freedom to go where they want, when they want, contrary to what I've been reading in the media.

But, roundabouts are pretty prevalent where I live, and getting them to navigate those correctly can be a challenge, especially those with two lanes.

I was a driving instructor when I was teaching school. The Automobile Club wanted volunteers to teach driver ed to high school students and I volunteered, and was surprised when they paid me to do it. I got a classroom instructors permit as well, and I liked that...the students were good because they were very motivated.
I found the hardest students to teach, were the ones who came from counties where they didn't go anywhere in a family car....China being the main one.
It is very rewarding to teach a student, and then see them obtain a license.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

“ Have not tried an odd shaped one but they have advantages.”

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

How about an interchange like this?

ab348

kyfdx said:

Generally not a big fan of roundabouts. But, our Ohio River interstate bridge closed, and if the local bridge didn't have a roundabout at the south end, we'd never be able to get home. It's super efficient when moving high volumes of traffic.

All the ones locally would tend to contradict that. We have several that were installed to serve intersections that have high traffic volumes during rush hours, and they all suffer from the same malady. When one of the legs is full of heavy traffic, it fills up the circle and all of the other roads back up badly because nobody can enter.

That aside, even with normal traffic volumes I hate them because it requires other drivers to follow yield rules which always makes me nervous. I have to keep my head on a swivel because I always figure someone is trying to t-bone me.

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

“ Have not tried an odd shaped one but they have advantages.”

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

How about an interchange like this?

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Yikes. It doesn’t look like you can get there from there.

jmonroe

Michaell

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

“ Have not tried an odd shaped one but they have advantages.”

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

How about an interchange like this?

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Yikes. It doesn’t look like you can get there from there.

jmonroe

Diverging diamond. Allows folks to enter/exit the highway without having to make a left turn across traffic.

snakeweasel

Michaell said:

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

“ Have not tried an odd shaped one but they have advantages.”

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

How about an interchange like this?

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Yikes. It doesn’t look like you can get there from there.

jmonroe

Diverging diamond. Allows folks to enter/exit the highway without having to make a left turn across traffic.

Yeah but if your going through you have to go through two lights crossing oncoming traffic each time.

ab348

I get always nervous when I'm driving on the wrong side of the road.

kyfdx

I only regularly see one of those diverging diamond interchanges. It's on I-69 on the North side of Fort Wayne. Once you've used it twice, it makes a lot of sense. But, it isn't intuitive.

Also, unless you're local, figuring out which lane will stay a through lane, and which puts you on the entrance ramp to the freeway is hard to visualize. I'm only up there about every three or four months, and it doesn't stick with me.

roadburner

The diverging diamond is only useful as a real-time field sobriety test.

stickguy

With something like that signage is key. And usually easier for people using navigation like google maps since it tells you which lane to be in.

snakeweasel

kyfdx said:

I only regularly see one of those diverging diamond interchanges. It's on I-69 on the North side of Fort Wayne. Once you've used it twice, it makes a lot of sense. But, it isn't intuitive.

Also, unless you're local, figuring out which lane will stay a through lane, and which puts you on the entrance ramp to the freeway is hard to visualize. I'm only up there about every three or four months, and it doesn't stick with me.

First time I came across one I was getting off the interstate and I really was confused making the left turn into what should have been the oncoming lane. Now there is one near me on one of my regular accesses to a interstate (the one in the picture I posted). The first time crossing it I almost accidently got on the interstate.

sda

There is a diverging diamond on I-77 at the Gold Hill exit. It does take getting used to. Worse yet, when it is dark and raining, it can be hard to navigate. I know there have been multiple wrecks there.

cdnpinhead

Diverging diamonds and roundabouts are both excellent for traffic flow and safety, in my opinion (and there's data to support), but they require learning, experience and a degree of intelligence -- probably why they're not well thought of by the uninitiated. You haven't lived until you've navigated a few of the three lane roundabouts (going clockwise) in the UK, with traffic lights in them.

It's all a matter of learning.

explorerx4

For those of you who a fans of the movie Die Hard, here's some good trivia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJDYPfYVgq8

explorerx4

Was windy here last night. Someone got an unwelcome visitor.
At least it didn't hit one of the windows or the truck that was parked in the driveway last night.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

I tried to locate that on Street View (it's exit 6 off I-87) but even that seems allergic to it as it dumps your view back underneath the overpass the moment you reach the top of the ramps. I think it is one of those diverging diamond monstrosities from what I could see, but with precious little in the way of signage.

driver100

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@kyfdx Also, unless you're local, figuring out which lane will stay a through lane, and which puts you on the entrance ramp to the freeway is hard to visualize. I'm only up there about every three or four months, and it doesn't stick with me.

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We have one in Sarasota at I-75 and University. That is true, it is interesting to watch the newbies try to figure out which lane to be in to go straight through or the lane to get onto I-75.....a lot of last minute lane hopping.

I like driving on the wrong side of the road for a little ways...it makes me feel like a rebel.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

“ Have not tried an odd shaped one but they have advantages.”

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

How about an interchange like this?

Looks like the spaghetti interchange at exit 16 of the NYS Thruway at Harriman.

stickguy

ab348 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

I tried to locate that on Street View (it's exit 6 off I-87) but even that seems allergic to it as it dumps your view back underneath the overpass the moment you reach the top of the ramps. I think it is one of those diverging diamond monstrosities from what I could see, but with precious little in the way of signage.

I don't think of it as anything but a normal interchange. the only oddity is instead of coming up the offramp straight and making a 90 degree left, you coming in at an angle and go around a curve to get on the other road. Makes it quicker if you make the light, and easier for both directions to go at the same time (heading opposite ways on the cross road). But it is still fully signaled, unlike a traffic circle.

stickguy

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

“ Have not tried an odd shaped one but they have advantages.”

How about the SPUI at exit 6 of the Northway?

How about an interchange like this?

Looks like the spaghetti interchange at exit 16 of the NYS Thruway at Harriman.

went through there Saturday. Weird now that they got rid of all the tollbooths. I only use 87 there and don't ever get off for 17.

xwesx

I like that diverging diamond pictured above; it is long enough that it offers a little more time to figure out which way to go once the divergence happens, unlike the ones that are fully contained within the area of the overpass. There is one at the intersection of Muldoon and Glenn Highway, and that one is much more compact, which also makes it feel confusing. It is pretty neat if you need to make a U-turn onto the Glenn, though, as it is very simple, even though doing it really does make you feel like a rebel!