20" wheels are H-E-A-V-Y. Each time you accelerate you have to spin those suckers up to speed. Each time you brake to a stop, that energy is converted to heat (and brake dust :P )
When I went from 14" steelies to 16" aluminum wheels (yes, they were wider too), my fuel economy dropped by about 5%. I expect to go back to the smaller wheels when my current set of tires is replaced.
If it does, it won't change much for me, except maybe I will walk to work. I live only five blocks away. I could walk now, but choose not to do it. I would consider going to church in this community instead of another (but that would be really hard!). Since prices hit $2.00/gallon I have slowed down and I make every trip count. I go 60 instead of 70 and believe it or not, it does make a difference. I run errands on Friday after work, so sometimes it is 6:30 or 7:00 before I get home because I do everything in one trip. The only thing I have done contrary to all I have done to save gas and money is that I bought an SUV. I did this for physical reasons as it's easier for me to get in and out of; and because there are so many trucks around here I couldn't see to back out of a parking space. But, I bought a mid-size to save gas.
We will drive our Civic everywhere and let the Pilot sit in the garage! When the snow returns and the gas comes down a little in price, we make the switch.....
We have 2 hybrids, Mariner/Prius. We do not drive any more than we have to since it is such a long way for each of us to work. We may try to do more planning when we drive on the weekends to save $$ during our "rat killing" trips. $2.70 here in D/FW.
Well $4 per gallon will not be too much of a shock here in California, home of the $3.50 per gallon + prices during the Summer. What will I do? I will put gas into my new Accord V6, and drive her. So far, at around 3,ooo miles on the clock, it gets around 29 MPG on the freeway. Pretty sure it can do more, as the last run was ever so slightly under 29 MPG and it included some hill climbing along the way and a bit of in town driving. Pretty sure that 30 or more MPG is possible. At 244HP, I am pleased with that. Much better than my PT Cruiser was doing with a stick and 150 HP larger four banger engine. Nothing like the sweet sound of a Honda SOHC V6 revving along the way. Fun to drive, even with an automatic, the car is so much more enjoyable than driving one of those weird little (oops deleting name) bugs, which look like a skateboard ramp. If it costs me a little more, I am more than willing to pay the price for performance, fun ride and better looks, with only one engine. Thanks, one engine and one battery will do for me. :shades: Loren
You can count on ANWR going into production when it is needed. Only so much oil can be produced and transported in the pipeline. They are keeping it flowing. Right now the emphasis is on maintenance that was let slide over the last 20 years.
Interesting info. All vehicles that I drive (or drove) use 15 and 16 inch. The bigger wheels look good (probably perform better as well). However, at this point, I don't want to compromise fuel-efficiency. Question for tire experts: does vehicles normally come with the tire that delivers best fuel-efficiency? Or, you can do better if you opt for a different tire? I am more interested to know about cars like Accord, Impala, or SUVs like Rav4, Escape, etc. I can imagine that luxury models from BMW, Lexus, Caddy, etc. seek performance and not fuel-efficiency. I want to know whether the same is the case for bread-n-butter cars as well.
Nothing shocks Californians. $1M for a tiny 2 BR home is a great deal in San Jose. I am in upstate NY and on a tight budget. $4/ gallon will pinch me real bad.
You could go with a more narrow tire, like the old days when most cars did not handle all that well. I'd rather stay on the road than slide off it, though the stability control would help me out. Narrow and hard rubber tires would increase the gas mileage. Dad had Firestone tires on his '91 Camry which he never worn out completely yet he got rid of them, as they spun so easy, even on a dry surface. Great gas mileage - har rubber, and little surface area. I wouldn't want them. Light alloy wheels should add a little gas mileage. You could take out the spare tire, and the radio too. I am thinking I could lose 60#s or so, and that would help. I must admit, in an effort to save a little gas, I did use the PT Cruiser with the narrow side rear seat taken out. Heck, it must be 35 to 40#s.
Your gas is now under $3 -- not too bad compared to the Left Coast. Yes, I agree these prices are not what anyone wanted to see. We tend to drive lots of miles. If some miles get trimmed each year, such as vacations, or extra trips to the stores, perhaps supply will increase enough to help keep the days of $4 gas to the more distant future. At least you are some 30 to 40 cents under California, I think.
I own an Accord V6, but if I was really in need of pinching the most mileage out that gas dollar, I would consider the Civic HX, which had a lean burn engine, a stick shift and the EPA mileage figure for hwy. of 44 MPG. Talking the salespeople at Honda, they said some people reached into 50 MPG on best runs. The car was cheap to buy, and inexpensive to own, but no longer sold. Seems the hybrid, the more costly hybrid, is what they push now. I owned a Corolla that could get up to 40 MPG when new, and around 38PMG later on.
I enjoy driving, and my car, and will just have to dedicate more money to my auto as years go by. Everyone has their thing. I don't buy $4 coffee, but I guess I may have to buy $4 gas some day.
Side note: average home in my little city is around $600K. Will be on the move some day. It is getting crazy -- roads are crowded too. But the Central Coast is pretty nice, as in views and weather. Loren
I'm happy with my 4 cyl Accord. But I'm planning to replace my Protege by a bigger car. I want a big efficient car. Protege gives me 30+ mpg on highway, and slightly below 30 on local roads --- in short, roughly 30 mpg combined. I now want a big car that will give me at least the same 30 mpg combined. Bigger, but not thirstier is what I want. I am now thinking of waiting till more fuel-efficient cars are launched. I would love to see a diesel Impala get launched.
Thanks for the info on wider tire vs. narrower tire. I agree that road-grip is important too!
on the recent big up-tick of fuel prices? Do any of you think it is gouging, justified increases, somewhere in between ? For me, I believe it is bordering on the gouging side, evening playing the "How much are they willing to pay to play game".
There is always an excuse for why the prices rise so sharply and it is always different, from the “The barrel price is through the roof” to the “We’re switching over to this/that blend ” to “Maintenance”. Or the current combo platter of switchover, maintenance and a refinery issue for added measure.
My thoughts are:
2005 it was Katrina, even though fuel had a huge run-up and hit $3/gal around here 1.5 MONTHS before Katrina hit anywhere! Yes there were other hurricanes but it was K that cause the $3 fuel supposedly.
2006 it was the barrel price and speculators, with the uncertainty of the war being at the core. Uncertain of the happenings of the war, as well as storms that hadn't even formed yet, or a clasp of thunder 1000 miles from an oil rig / refinery caused the speculators to get jittery which caused the prices to shoot through the roof, resulting in record prices, record profits, record pay/bonuses, retirement payouts and record wallet/purse depletions.
2007 has the #5-combo platter. First, there is a huge drop in price starting in October 2006 and running through into 2007. Only logical reason, and not the Dems winning in November is that there’s actually a surplus, which is admitted. So production cuts occur, which is understandable as long as the cuts don't interfere with demand spikes or cause a shortage in the long terms. But the prices need to go back up some how. Start the combo platter: First, it started with the hostage situation (war uncertainty). Ok that didn’t last as long as one thought so the price run-up wasn’t that high. Daytime savings came faster this year, so the driving season must start earlier too, driving demand up. That worked out fine since production cuts had occurred short supplies could be announced. And might as well pull out the forgotten favorite, switchover to the summer blend and throw in maintenance (which we all know is a crock). Top it off with a refinery issue and broken records here we come All the while, the barrel price hasn’t hit records, staying in the low ~ mid-$60s, which is where OPEC stated it wanted it to make nice, big profits. And remember we’re still over 2 weeks away from the kick-off weekend for driving season!!!
Now the 2007 things might sound off the “conspiracy theory” alarms but is that not how things are going? These excuses are getting ridiculous. I mean, the blend switchovers have been going on for I believe 10 years; we were talking about this and the effects on vehicles in shop class in the ’95 – ’96 time frame!! If the oil companies haven’t figured out how to switch without causing problems, pump price jumps and the like by now they need to close up shop. I remember when the summer/winter blend switch first happened we didn’t have 20 ~ 40 cent jumps in fuel over a 1 ~ 2 week period as we do now. So what happened? Also, if they haven’t figured out the maintenance routine without causing major shutdowns and the like that is their problem! Where are the people that are supposed to come up with alternative plans / actions when yearly PM is scheduled?
What are the next excuses?
My next move is to ride the bicycle or hitch to work!
...our economy will shut down when the price of fuel reaches such a ridiculous level that low-wage service sector workers find it more cost-effective to stay home rather than fill up their old cars and trucks to drive to their jobs at Wally World and Mickey D's!
I think many of those employers will wind up running vans and jitneys around to pick up those employees if and when they can't get enough warm bodies to show up to move the merchandise. Ride Share type programs and public transportation will have to pick up some of the slack too.
None of those options are all that cheap either. Time to invest in some scooter companies?
Yes, he could do that, and if everyone went out and did that, the automakers would love us all.
But what he could do much more cheaply and quickly is STOP DRIVING. Or at least, reduce driving to the bare minimum. The gas prices will never go down as long as we consumers continue to buy the same amount of gas regardless of price.
Just think about how many things in your life you buy the same quantity of regardless of price. Unlike basic foodstuffs, gasoline is to some degree a DISCRETIONARY purchase!
Last year, for the first time on record, gas sales went down for the year. It was only by the barest margin, 0.7%, and I don't think the oil companies really heard that "message" as they set about making record profits again in '07. But if we all reduced our usage by 10%, or 20%, OH BOY, would they hear that message! You would see market forces finally go to work tempering the prices we pay at the pump.
And yes, when it comes time to replace the old car, make sure to buy something much more fuel-efficient next time, if at all possible!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Agree. By planning trips,errands,and staying overnight more on trips thus reducing the frequency of trips I have reduced my miles driven by 50%. I am ashamed to say I haven't always done this.
Why do some assume that any adverse change is the result of a conspiracy or that blame must be assigned? The USA has enjoyed (and still enjoys) relatively low fuel prices as compared to many other countries. Yes, high fuel prices elsewhere are due to taxes, because those countries long ago had the foresight to realize that they cannot conume with wild abandon a resource that they do not control. We, OTOH, seem to believe that we are entitled to an unlimited supply at bargain prices and become irate at the suggestion that we temper our consumption.
There may be many reasons for increasing prices, not the least of which is the arrogant consumer!
It will be easier for me to pay today than it was to pay$.40 a gallon 40 years ago.
The energy industry is finally pricing up their petrol to where it should be for the shareholders and investors to realize a decent return on their investments.
Why should the price of gas be cheap when the DOW reigns at an all time high?
That you have committed your budget too much on too many toys such as wide screen TV's, Ipods, and other electric gizzmos, a bigger house, a vacation home, sporting equipment, and remember your divorce and child support payments. Doesn't leave much for gasoline, but you made your choices.
I agree that employers and employees will adapt as prices rise. The stipulation I'd add is "as long as cost increases and supply changes are gradual".
There are already millions of people in the country who do not own a car, work and live. They've arranged their lives such. There are already millions of people who drive minimally, working and shopping within a few mile radius. You don't have to look back too many decades to find that this was the norm.
Now if you want to live in a rural area and work 40 miles away, then you had better not be making minimum wage. It is the economy's way to tell you this is inefficient. You will need to either move or find another job, or ride a moped.
I think this the attitude that I'm entitiled to live where I want, drive as much as I want on cheap gas, is kind of unique to the U.S. Certainly it is nice and desireable!! But that doesn't mean you can have it. And God forbid we ask you to live like the billion or so other people in the world who get by without driving 50 miles/day.
Advice: change your life over the next few years so you hardly have to drive.
DOW is an extremely narrow index. When it comes to predicting the health of the economy, relying on it could trip you up.
What I worry about is that high fuel prices suck HUGE amounts of money right out of the economy, at an enormous rate and very quickly. This is dangerous.
No, I'm driving a fuel-efficient vehicle. My thoughts are not of some driving a guzzler but of someone driving anything.
Please don't assume or stereotype someone that is unhappy about fuel prices as having a fuel-inefficient vehicle. We all are getting hit by these high prices. A person driving a small Civic is paying the same prices as someone driving a large pickup/SUV, unless there's a "special" pump for small cars?
Apparently you and others haven't read past posts of what I have done to conserve fuel. All that you're talking about I did when fuel hit $2/gal a couple years ago. So your rehash is a rehash of what I've already done.
As my last sentence stated, my next move is to stop driving and bike the 20 miles to work, as that is the only driving I do. (I would have thought this was a clue that I was already conserving fuel; I guess not). And no, picking up and moving is not an option. The point of the posting was not to sound like whining or complaining because I have a gas-hog (which I don't), or I want someone else to do something about the high prices (again, I have taken some things into my own hands, which we all should), or to get suggestions on how to conserve fuel(again I already do that, as listed many times before so...) but to get the some poster's thoughts / their take on the prices.
You wrote: As my last sentence stated, my next move is to stop driving and bike the 20 miles to work, as that is the only driving I do.
Interesting concept. I don't know what part of the country you live in, or how well local gov't has provided bike lanes, or if your employer has shower facilities available.
In my area, it's hilly, local gov't doesn't give a rat's behind about bike lanes, car drivers don't particularly like to share the potholed road as is, and my employer doesn't have any thing resembling a shower for the employees. Ain't gonna work for me. If I made it to work alive, I'd be a shunned, rank-smelling guy for at least 7 months of the year.
Panel Approves Fuel Economy Increase Tuesday May 8, 1:10 pm ET By Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writer Senate Committee Approves Fuel Economy Increase to 35 Mpg Over Current 25 Mpg Level
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate committee approved a plan Tuesday to increase fuel efficiency standards to an average of 35 miles per gallon by 2020 in a move closely watched by automakers and environmental groups.
A Senate committee approved a plan Tuesday to increase fuel efficiency standards to an average of 35 miles per gallon by 2020 in a move closely watched by automakers and environmental groups
So, let me guess the outcome of this...GM, Ford, and Chrysler will cry foul and try to sue the government and say that it can't be done, while Toyota or Honda or somebody just goes about their business and does it? :P
Now, to get there by 2020, maybe. Maybe sooner. Depends on whether the particulates kill us first. But at least there will be more oil left when we're sooty and dead
What proof do you have that this GM vs. Honda dynamic exists? Except when Honda developed 4 stroke outboards while Johnson and Evinrude whined and enriched lobbyists and lawyers, or when Ryobi and B&D developed electic cordless mowers while Toro whined away to Tom Delay and John Doolittle about communism, and on and on.
Yes, indeed, whining about the sky is falling and the wolf coming do seem to be corporate America's preferred method of defending market share. Oh, wait, you might say, that doesn't work as they have lost market share to the Japanese. I didn't mean that market share! I meant American corporate execs own share of high salaries and options, which are given in return for maintaining short sighted quarterly profit numbers. Why the numbskull managers at pensions, mutual funds and high net worth investors support these craven, greedy execs while American companies crumble is beyond me.
Ed, greed will continue. I am sure the asians have this problem as well, just not to the extent that they bleed their companies dry! At lease they have a direction and achieve goals.
This is the "communism" that American corporate execs decry. That is, the salary differential between Japanese and Euro execs is around 10Xs and around 100Xs in the U.S. The funny part is that a lot of blue collar types support this dynamic as they seem to believe that hitting it big is what makes America great. In the meantime, they drive trucks that get 15 mpg as gas goes to $5/gallon and lose their healthcare and manufacturing jobs due to outsourcing done by those same 100Xs Execs. What is wrong in Kansas?
"What proof do you have that this GM vs. Honda dynamic exists? "
Apparently you don't remember the emission control mandates for 1975. While GM whined that it couldn't be done, Honda developed their CVCC engine which bettered the requirement WITHOUT catalytic converter.
I was actually looking ahead a little. The gas prices and the availability of diesel Hondas and Toyotas will relatively quickly, in one auto generation (5-7 years), reduce U.S. use of oil as new diesels are purchased to replace gassers.
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When I went from 14" steelies to 16" aluminum wheels (yes, they were wider too), my fuel economy dropped by about 5%. I expect to go back to the smaller wheels when my current set of tires is replaced.
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Question for tire experts: does vehicles normally come with the tire that delivers best fuel-efficiency? Or, you can do better if you opt for a different tire? I am more interested to know about cars like Accord, Impala, or SUVs like Rav4, Escape, etc. I can imagine that luxury models from BMW, Lexus, Caddy, etc. seek performance and not fuel-efficiency. I want to know whether the same is the case for bread-n-butter cars as well.
I must admit, in an effort to save a little gas, I did use the PT Cruiser with the narrow side rear seat taken out. Heck, it must be 35 to 40#s.
I own an Accord V6, but if I was really in need of pinching the most mileage out that gas dollar, I would consider the Civic HX, which had a lean burn engine, a stick shift and the EPA mileage figure for hwy. of 44 MPG. Talking the salespeople at Honda, they said some people reached into 50 MPG on best runs. The car was cheap to buy, and inexpensive to own, but no longer sold. Seems the hybrid, the more costly hybrid, is what they push now. I owned a Corolla that could get up to 40 MPG when new, and around 38PMG later on.
I enjoy driving, and my car, and will just have to dedicate more money to my auto as years go by. Everyone has their thing. I don't buy $4 coffee, but I guess I may have to buy $4 gas some day.
Side note: average home in my little city is around $600K. Will be on the move some day. It is getting crazy -- roads are crowded too.
But the Central Coast is pretty nice, as in views and weather.
Loren
Thanks for the info on wider tire vs. narrower tire. I agree that road-grip is important too!
There is always an excuse for why the prices rise so sharply and it is always different, from the “The barrel price is through the roof” to the “We’re switching over to this/that blend ” to “Maintenance”. Or the current combo platter of switchover, maintenance and a refinery issue for added measure.
My thoughts are:
2005 it was Katrina, even though fuel had a huge run-up and hit $3/gal around here 1.5 MONTHS before Katrina hit anywhere! Yes there were other hurricanes but it was K that cause the $3 fuel supposedly.
2006 it was the barrel price and speculators, with the uncertainty of the war being at the core. Uncertain of the happenings of the war, as well as storms that hadn't even formed yet, or a clasp of thunder 1000 miles from an oil rig / refinery caused the speculators to get jittery which caused the prices to shoot through the roof, resulting in record prices, record profits, record pay/bonuses, retirement payouts and record wallet/purse depletions.
2007 has the #5-combo platter. First, there is a huge drop in price starting in October 2006 and running through into 2007. Only logical reason, and not the Dems winning in November is that there’s actually a surplus, which is admitted. So production cuts occur, which is understandable as long as the cuts don't interfere with demand spikes or cause a shortage in the long terms. But the prices need to go back up some how. Start the combo platter: First, it started with the hostage situation (war uncertainty). Ok that didn’t last as long as one thought so the price run-up wasn’t that high. Daytime savings came faster this year, so the driving season must start earlier too, driving demand up. That worked out fine since production cuts had occurred short supplies could be announced. And might as well pull out the forgotten favorite, switchover to the summer blend and throw in maintenance (which we all know is a crock). Top it off with a refinery issue and broken records here we come All the while, the barrel price hasn’t hit records, staying in the low ~ mid-$60s, which is where OPEC stated it wanted it to make nice, big profits. And remember we’re still over 2 weeks away from the kick-off weekend for driving season!!!
Now the 2007 things might sound off the “conspiracy theory” alarms but is that not how things are going? These excuses are getting ridiculous. I mean, the blend switchovers have been going on for I believe 10 years; we were talking about this and the effects on vehicles in shop class in the ’95 – ’96 time frame!! If the oil companies haven’t figured out how to switch without causing problems, pump price jumps and the like by now they need to close up shop. I remember when the summer/winter blend switch first happened we didn’t have 20 ~ 40 cent jumps in fuel over a 1 ~ 2 week period as we do now. So what happened? Also, if they haven’t figured out the maintenance routine without causing major shutdowns and the like that is their problem! Where are the people that are supposed to come up with alternative plans / actions when yearly PM is scheduled?
What are the next excuses?
My next move is to ride the bicycle or hitch to work!
None of those options are all that cheap either. Time to invest in some scooter companies?
Employees will love what their companies are going to have to charge them to pick them up for work, too. Not gonna be a pretty sight to behold.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
But what he could do much more cheaply and quickly is STOP DRIVING. Or at least, reduce driving to the bare minimum. The gas prices will never go down as long as we consumers continue to buy the same amount of gas regardless of price.
Just think about how many things in your life you buy the same quantity of regardless of price. Unlike basic foodstuffs, gasoline is to some degree a DISCRETIONARY purchase!
Last year, for the first time on record, gas sales went down for the year. It was only by the barest margin, 0.7%, and I don't think the oil companies really heard that "message" as they set about making record profits again in '07. But if we all reduced our usage by 10%, or 20%, OH BOY, would they hear that message! You would see market forces finally go to work tempering the prices we pay at the pump.
And yes, when it comes time to replace the old car, make sure to buy something much more fuel-efficient next time, if at all possible!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
There may be many reasons for increasing prices, not the least of which is the arrogant consumer!
The energy industry is finally pricing up their petrol to where it should be for the shareholders and investors to realize a decent return on their investments.
Why should the price of gas be cheap when the DOW reigns at an all time high?
That you have committed your budget too much on too many toys such as wide screen TV's, Ipods, and other electric gizzmos, a bigger house, a vacation home, sporting equipment, and remember your divorce and child support payments. Doesn't leave much for gasoline, but you made your choices.
There are already millions of people in the country who do not own a car, work and live. They've arranged their lives such. There are already millions of people who drive minimally, working and shopping within a few mile radius. You don't have to look back too many decades to find that this was the norm.
Now if you want to live in a rural area and work 40 miles away, then you had better not be making minimum wage. It is the economy's way to tell you this is inefficient. You will need to either move or find another job, or ride a moped.
I think this the attitude that I'm entitiled to live where I want, drive as much as I want on cheap gas, is kind of unique to the U.S. Certainly it is nice and desireable!! But that doesn't mean you can have it. And God forbid we ask you to live like the billion or so other people in the world who get by without driving 50 miles/day.
Advice: change your life over the next few years so you hardly have to drive.
What I worry about is that high fuel prices suck HUGE amounts of money right out of the economy, at an enormous rate and very quickly. This is dangerous.
The future is going to be bleak.
Hopefully prices will hit a level where gas powered leaf blowers are not viable. These things are the biggest scourge on the planet.
Please don't assume or stereotype someone that is unhappy about fuel prices as having a fuel-inefficient vehicle. We all are getting hit by these high prices. A person driving a small Civic is paying the same prices as someone driving a large pickup/SUV, unless there's a "special" pump for small cars?
As my last sentence stated, my next move is to stop driving and bike the 20 miles to work, as that is the only driving I do. (I would have thought this was a clue that I was already conserving fuel; I guess not). And no, picking up and moving is not an option. The point of the posting was not to sound like whining or complaining because I have a gas-hog (which I don't), or I want someone else to do something about the high prices (again, I have taken some things into my own hands, which we all should), or to get suggestions on how to conserve fuel(again I already do that, as listed many times before so...) but to get the some poster's thoughts / their take on the prices.
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As my last sentence stated, my next move is to stop driving and bike the 20 miles to work, as that is the only driving I do.
Interesting concept. I don't know what part of the country you live in, or how well local gov't has provided bike lanes, or if your employer has shower facilities available.
In my area, it's hilly, local gov't doesn't give a rat's behind about bike lanes, car drivers don't particularly like to share the potholed road as is, and my employer doesn't have any thing resembling a shower for the employees. Ain't gonna work for me. If I made it to work alive, I'd be a shunned, rank-smelling guy for at least 7 months of the year.
Tuesday May 8, 1:10 pm ET
By Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writer
Senate Committee Approves Fuel Economy Increase to 35 Mpg Over Current 25 Mpg Level
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate committee approved a plan Tuesday to increase fuel efficiency standards to an average of 35 miles per gallon by 2020 in a move closely watched by automakers and environmental groups.
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OW
So, let me guess the outcome of this...GM, Ford, and Chrysler will cry foul and try to sue the government and say that it can't be done, while Toyota or Honda or somebody just goes about their business and does it? :P
And it's going to hit in 2008 to "get us there"?
Um, I don't think so.
Now, to get there by 2020, maybe. Maybe sooner. Depends on whether the particulates kill us first. But at least there will be more oil left when we're sooty and dead
Yes, indeed, whining about the sky is falling and the wolf coming do seem to be corporate America's preferred method of defending market share. Oh, wait, you might say, that doesn't work as they have lost market share to the Japanese. I didn't mean that market share! I meant American corporate execs own share of high salaries and options, which are given in return for maintaining short sighted quarterly profit numbers. Why the numbskull managers at pensions, mutual funds and high net worth investors support these craven, greedy execs while American companies crumble is beyond me.
At least he is honest...clueless but honest!
Regards,
OW
Maybe someday...
Regards,
OW
In Ukraine one liter gas cost $1 !
middle salary in Ukraine - $300/month !
but though a automotive traffic is very very high, curiously enough.
Hi from Ukraine www.cover.com.ua :shades:
Apparently you don't remember the emission control mandates for 1975. While GM whined that it couldn't be done, Honda developed their CVCC engine which bettered the requirement WITHOUT catalytic converter.