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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    Just searching around for gas numbers and found this site
    www.fueleconomy.gov - the official government source for fuel economy information.

    This caught my eye seems impressive for a midsize hybrid

    2015 Honda Accord Hybrid 4 cyl, 2.0 L, Automatic (variable gear ratios), Regular Gasoline

    City...................................50



    Combined...........................47


    Highway..............................45


    Invoice price w/ dest charge included is......... 27,594 for lowest model.

    ..........................................................................30,102 for EXL model




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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Look at the specs for the Mazda6, according to its manufacturer:

    http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsSpecs&vehicleCode=M6G

    You'll notice that the EPA ratings are in fact as high as 28/40, as I noted. If you want the most accurate EPA FE specs for a car, it's best to check what the manufacturer says about it, or go to fueleconomy.gov, e.g.:

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2014_Mazda_6.shtml
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    2015 Mazda 6 4 cyl, 2.5 L, Automatic (S6), Regular Gasoline
    Compare2015 Mazda 6 26
    City................26

    30

    Combined
    38

    The 2015 Mazda6 models mpg on this site is listed at 26/ 38. Actually they have 2 different mpg's. The mpg's were downgraded from the previous year. Car manufacturer probably had inflated numbers. Car companies will lie/ twist the truth . . Hyundai and a few others were sued for posting wrong mpg info just recently. That's probably why every car site I looked at has 25/26/38 on the 2015 model.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    well, without getting caught up in the picky details of 1 MPG here and there (and remember, those are EPA ratings, and some cars easily beat and some never come close) what is amazing to me is how high the #s are in this class. Cars this big and roomy, with plenty of performance, still pulling such high numbers? Impressive.

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  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181

    No, Brian125, Mazda didn't have inflated numbers.   Mazda has a pkg that increases mpg over and above the standard model.  A little research goes a long way and adds to one's credibility.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,491
    @stickguy makes a great pointB). The 1 mpg difference on the EPA highway rating is for advertising & marketing purposes. The fact that my Legacy has been averaging very close to 30 mpg in 85 (hwy)/15 (city) mixed driving given it's size is fantastic.

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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    m6user

    Its called E-loop. Funny thing about e-loop if you look at Mazda's mpg numbers posted by owners the past 2 years with and without e-loop you will see the real mpg's. Not many are getting close to 36 highway. Why is that? Isn't Mazda's pck. increaser suppose to get you 40 mpg/ 38 non e-loop

    Don't believe everything you read from Car Companies. EPA and real world MPG's are 2 different tales.

    Some of my vehicles never met the EPA standards posted. My last 2 did not. V-6 Accord and BMW both below EPA standards

    So to echo your last line . A little research goes a long way and adds to one credibility.



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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,064
    In recent years the EPA numbers are more realistic than they used to be. I often get 38-40 mpg in my '13 Accord on long highway trips, but the EPA estimates of 26/36 are pretty accurate for day to day driving. It is amazing that most midsize cars now get such good fuel economy.

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  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181

    I always like how people resort to "real world" argument when faced with actual documented by EPA numbers.  One can read all sorts of real world stories both pro and con on every car out there.  Easy to use selected one's to bolster argument.  That's why most of us stick with EPA numbers for comparison.  My RDX has averaged over 25 mpg over the last 3000 miles.  It's supposed to get 22 avg.  Would I use 25 for comparison.......no.  That's just my experience.  But I think it's pretty well known that if one drives easy the EPA 's numbers are attainable.

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    You used to be able to use your mpg compared to EPA and it would be fairly close. e.g. if you currently get 26 in your car that has a 25 mpg EPA rating, then you could reasonably expect to get 1 mpg (or the same percentage) better in another similar vehicle. However, newer drivetrains are so much more sophisticated and much more variable that it's hard to do that. Especially smaller turbos like Ford's ecoboosts. On my 2.0L EB Fusion titanium I can get anywhere from 17 to 28 on my 12 mile daily commute depending on how much traffic there is and how often I have to stop. You really have to drive carefully to get the EPA mpgs in some cases. You also have to factor in ethanol content. EPA testing is done with 100% gasoline while most everyone gets E-10 at the pump nowadays and that will cost you 1-2 mpg.

    Also remember that in the old days of 12-18 mpg vehicles a 15% difference was only a couple of miles per gallon - hardly noticeable. Nowadays a 15% difference could be 4-6 mpg.

    And the actual difference in fuel usage is much less. e.g. driving 300 miles per week and going from 12 mpg to 15 mpg saves 5 gallons per week ($15-$20). Going from 30 to 35 only saves 1.6 gallons ($5-$6).

    And don't forget - the EPA fuel economy testing really has nothing whatsoever to do with generating the window stickers - it's done for CAFE compliance and the numbers that are used for that are not what goes on the window sticker. The window sticker mpg is an afterthought created from the CAFE tests plus other tests and mathematical formulas.

    As such there is no such thing as a "real world" number. Everybody will get different results because there are far too many variables.
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    @akirby
    Excellent point about the ethanol testing . They should start testing new vehicle's with E-10.
    Some vehicle can't meet EPA testing some will meet/ exceed.

    In the wake of the revelations that Hyundai's and Kia's EPA mileage ratings were overstated, got sued and lost its case it's more important than ever for consumers to understand that mileage ratings are not always what they seem. last year Ford's c-max model was overstated by 5/6 mpg's.

    On every new-car window sticker, shoppers will see in the same fine print: "Actual results will vary for many reasons, including driving conditions and how you drive and maintain your vehicle." Mazda6's fine print says the MPG's numbers are achievable at 45% city and 55 hwy.

    That makes it sound like your gas mileage is solely your fault, and often, it is. But there's at least one other factor: The particular version of the car you buy and the features that come with it will affect the mileage of your new car no matter how passively you drive it.

    Last time I read up on gas testing and I'm no expert here. Automakers determine gas-mileage ratings based on tailpipe-emissions tests, The EPA has admitted it audits only about 15% of automakers' claims for accuracy. Not every variation of every car model is tested by automakers. You could easily wind up with a version that gets significantly worse mileage than what its Monroney sticker claims. Those claims take into account the engine, transmission and drivetrain, but there are many more variables.

    How about sport trim levels, gigantic sunroofs, larger wheels, different seating configurations in large crossovers, optional storage panels ... you name it. They can all affect your gas mileage.

    @m6user if you drive like the manufacture has posted you should come close to that EPA number and a lot of times you will. I looked at over 40 vehicles posted mpg numbers From folks driven there 2014 / 15 Mazda6. Owners that drove at 45/55 city / hwy did not get close to that 38 or 40 mpg number nor did the drivers that drove 70hwy/ 30 city. The I-eloop is a very ingenious concept that probably adds some MPG but the big picture tells a different mpg story.


    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    Number on sticker is results from a very specific EPA test scenario. That pretty much no one actually comes close to replicating. Which is why real world varies so much. Anyone that complains, first make sure they doubt exceed 62 or so on the highway. Guaranteed that will help!

    And city is not downtown NYC or LA. More like small town mixed I think. So toss out extended stop and go!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    Also, some cars by design are going to miss by more, since they are basically set up to run the test, not function in the real world.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    They actually capture and measure the carbon waste from the tailpipe and that tells them how much fuel was burned.

    There are specific rules on which options are included. They don't include options if the take rate is too low - 19" or 20" wheels, expensive heavy moonroofs, etc. That's why you sometimes see strange combinations of features - the mfr is trying to limit the sales of certain options so they don't have to be included.

    They also use formulas to simulate certain things which is where Ford and Hyundai got into trouble because their formula was wrong. At least Ford found their mistake and self-corrected it.

    In the end, there is too much variability in the real world with the same vehicle being driven in different climates and traffic conditions by different people to come up with a single number. And if you put the true range on the window sticker it would be so wide (15-25 mpg e.g.) that it's useless. There is no good answer.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181

    I think a lot of people that drive in very heavy stop and go traffic or they jackrabbit drive can't get the EPA avg.  They complain about how unreasonable the EPA numbers are.   IMO most people that drive fairly conservative and aren't in major metro type traffic don't have a  problem reaching them.  

    Relying on people that post in forums can be problematic as it common knowledge that a lot more people post with complaints versus those that are satisfied or get the mpg they thought the would get.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited October 2014
    I don't put much faith in the EPA numbers. Look how many times the formula has been revised. That said, I usually do better.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    I tend to do better highway but lower around town. Not that I am in the city, but we do a lot of short hop trips and too many traffic lights. Plus my wife does more of that type of driving, and she is not an "efficient" driver. I do most of the highway.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Short trips are terrible. With new emission regs they have to run them rich to light off the cats and warm them up quickly. They haven't actually changed the way they measure fuel economy for CAFE - just what gets reported on the window sticker because people can't stop complaining about it if they come up short. Maybe they should just put 8 mpg on everything and people will be ecstatic they beat the window sticker!
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    Mileage...

    You're not supposed to achieve their numbers...they are just pretend numbers.

    The EPA mileage numbers are just used to compare against other vehicles.
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,064
    For pretend numbers they're pretty accurate. Magic?
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • ahightowerahightower Member Posts: 539
    Recently did about 500 miles round trip NW DFW to Houston and back. AC on, speed limit varied from 65 - 75. Going down (in a hurry) running about 83 mph, did 29.5 mpg. Headed home more relaxed pace, 2-3 above the posted limit, 31.9 mpg. This according to the trip computer, which I've found to be off by as much as 0.8 versus manual calculations. Rated 24/34/27, so I guess it's not bad considering the speeds.

    I didn't use ECO mode on the trip, I just prefer the more responsive throttle and stronger AC in normal. But, I got a warning (39 in a 30, which really should be a 45 but I digress) from a friendly officer yesterday, and decided to drive like a grandpa in ECO mode for a while, both to slow myself down and to see what the car is really capable of in my daily 50/50 commute. I have noticed that, in ECO mode, the cruise control will not apply as much throttle to maintain speed on inclines. Which is a nuisance to other drivers, but the instant mpg indicator doesn't dip near as much.

    I fully expect to be bored with this test shortly, and to run the numbers at next fill-up and realize I've saved no more than $1 per tank versus my usual "safe-but-spirited" driving style. But I'll let it go for a week or two if I can stand it, just to see.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    suydam said:

    For pretend numbers they're pretty accurate. Magic?

    I think so :)

    When you 'guess' how much gas is used by analyzing the exhaust...and then have the results actually come close to real-world is pretty magical.

    That's why the EPA gives a range. You're not "supposed" to get their listed mileage, you're supposed to compare their listed mileage to another vehicle they ran the identical test on.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    edited October 2014
    They're not "guessing" based on exhaust analysis. They actually *measure* the exhaust by products and scientifically calculate how much gasoline was actually burned inside the engine which is much more accurate than liquid measures.
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,064
    According to Consumer Reports EPA is pretty close for conventional vehicles. Hybrids are another story.
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    suydam said:

    According to Consumer Reports EPA is pretty close for conventional vehicles. Hybrids are another story.

    Did you see the Impressive numbers I posted on the 2105 hybrid Accord a few up. Anything close would be a homerun .

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    akirby said:

    They're not "guessing" based on exhaust analysis. They actually *measure* the exhaust by products and scientifically calculate how much gasoline was actually burned inside the engine which is much more accurate than liquid measures.

    Ok...I've grown tired of it :)
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,144
    Another article on the subject of EPA testing for fuel economy:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/10/21/epa-revised-fuel-mileage-rating-guidelines/

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited October 2014
    akirby said:

    They actually capture and measure the carbon waste from the tailpipe and that tells them how much fuel was burned.

    There are specific rules on which options are included. They don't include options if the take rate is too low - 19" or 20" wheels, expensive heavy moonroofs, etc. That's why you sometimes see strange combinations of features - the mfr is trying to limit the sales of certain options so they don't have to be included.

    They also use formulas to simulate certain things which is where Ford and Hyundai got into trouble because their formula was wrong. At least Ford found their mistake and self-corrected it.

    In the end, there is too much variability in the real world with the same vehicle being driven in different climates and traffic conditions by different people to come up with a single number. And if you put the true range on the window sticker it would be so wide (15-25 mpg e.g.) that it's useless. There is no good answer.

    The double sunroof on the Sonoptima weighs in at 200 pounds raises the cars center of gravity by 4%.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    But most important, it is really cool.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited October 2014
    At 43 and with 3 kids, I care more about saving money. I used to really covet a sunroof, especially with the weather being good her 10 months out of the year, but I have done my fair share of trips to the Shenandoah for the annual fall leaf change, and I can't afford Myrtle Beach more than once every 2 years.
    Then I got that Grand Cherokee and the whole sunroof assembly leaked in heavy rain and dumped it's contents on me- or my wife, around any hard turn, So now, windows down is all I need on a nice day.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    stickguy said:

    But most important, it is really cool.

    I know people love them...but I cannot stand sunroofs. Takes away from precious headroom, sun beats down on you in hot climates, cold seeps in in cold climates. It adds cost (initial & repair) to the vehicle and adds weight in the worst location.

    However, I do love convertibles...all or nothing :)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited October 2014
    Yes, I am 6'2", and the extra 2" makes this car have more headroom than either of my last 2; right where I need it. Also, the car is low, so the headroom helps with entry and exit too.
  • ahightowerahightower Member Posts: 539
    I would not want a sun roof in my Accord. Head room is fine, but wouldn't want any less. It's one of the reasons I didn't get the Civic Si instead. Civic is surprisingly decent for leg room, but the limited head room with mandatory sun roof was just not doable. Plus they're not really necessary in this part of TX- it's usually too hot. My wife loves them, it was one of her few requirements for her new vehicle. Fortunately the Pathfinder has a LOT of head room even with the sunroof. And the kids love the rear sunroof (doesn't open, just glass, has a totally opaque screen that slides and they like it open as often as possible). The little wind blocker on the front sunroof does make it very useable even at freeway speed. So for about 6 weeks a year when it's neither too hot nor too cold, we will enjoy it. And it's a lease so I won't worry about long term issues.
  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,064
    Sunroof is a requirement for me. As I get older my list of "must haves" gets longer and longer!
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  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    Not midsize sedans but here's my fuel economy experience.

    On fuel economy, my '10 AWD V6 crossover is rated 17/20/24. I typically average 19/21/24. Lifetime average is 21.01 (I've tracked every expense & fill-up). Worst mileage for a tank was 13MPG during February's deep freeze with nothing but short (sub-2 mile) trips. Best was, strangely, this past summer fully loaded with 7 passengers (5 adults/2 kids) & AC on for a highway road trip to a zoo where it got 28.5.

    But fuel economy is a secondary or even tertiary concern. When my 5 years of ownership hits in December I'll have 41K miles on the odo. At a hair over 8K a year I simply don't drive enough for gas to be a significant expense.

    My wife's '12 Elantra does poorly in city driving (around 19MPG) but she also does nothing but very short trips and favors a stronger off the line push. It easily gets 38-40 highway @ 70MPH with AC on so EPA numbers are there despite the Hyundai misreporting issue. She averages about 8500 miles/year.

    My sister bought a '13 Elantra MT; her commute is about 120 miles round trip. She reports getting about 45MPG highway which includes dealing with Indy's rush hour traffic.
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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I find the biggest discrepancies between real-world FE and EPA FE is in city driving. As with your experience, I can easily exceed EPA FE numbers on highway trips, and even in my around-town driving. But my around-town driving is different from the around-town driving of many other people, including my wife's. I don't drive that much during rush hours, I don't let my car sit idling for long stretches (e.g. if I'm waiting for someone), I use a light foot on the gas, I anticipate stops when practical etc. She doesn't do any of those things, and her trips tend to be shorter than mine with less freeway driving. So while she struggles to hit the EPA city number on her 2013 Sonata, I exceed it.

    But a highway trip with no stops is pretty easy to compare to other highway trips, weather and terrain being equal. But those vary a lot too. I drive in the Midwest with no mountains, and with large variations in temperature, from -25 F to 100 F. My FE suffers a lot in cold winter weather. In temperate weather, at 70 mph or below on the highway, I have no problem exceeding EPA numbers, like your sister with her Elantra.

    On another topic re mid-sizers... I took my Mazda6i hatchback in today for an oil change, and while I was waiting sat in a base Mazda6i with no options except pearl white paint. I don't know why people complain about the quality of interior materials on that car. I thought they were quite good. Nicely padded and grained dash, cushy armrests, padded/upholstered door panels, smooth HVAC rotary controls, leather covered wheel, cloth headliner, solid-feeling vents, etc. The dash and center console have a simple design, and maybe some people equate that with "cheap". I think it's ergonomic, even Germanic in appearance. I prefer it over the interior of cars like the Accord LX, Camry LE, and Altima S.
  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,266

    I'm looking at new Camrys & Accords.  I'm a bit leery of the CVT in the Accord, because I keep my cars for 10+ years.  Do you all think the Camry is a better long term bet because of the conventional tranny?  I like the Accord better overall, but not the CVT.  Any thoughts?

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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Get an Accord with the 6MT. Less expensive and more fun than the CVT, and no worries about CVT reliability. :)

    I think you're focusing too much on this one detail. Consider that you need to drive the car every day of those 10+ years. Would you rather that car be the Camry, or the Accord?
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    I have a 2013 V-6 Accord 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 6A) my Trans was replaced at 2,200 miles. Leaking from inside. Both Trans could be a crap shoot but I would avoid the CVT also if you plan on a 10yr run. .


    Interesting article on CVT 's.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/cars/your-next-vehicle-is-more-likely-to-have-a-cvt-heres-why/2014/05/27/76abd984-e5b4-11e3-a70e-ea1863229397_story.html

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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    CVT's Insight,

    Rather than sets of gears, CVTs use a belt that runs between two variable-diameter pulleys to give a wide range of ratios and a smooth transition between them. Some CVTs use a fluid-filled torque converter (as with a conventional automatic) to transfer power from the engine to the transmission, others a clutch similar to that used for a manual transmission, but with automatic activation (there is no clutch pedal).

    The advantage of a CVT is that the engine can be kept at its most efficient speed while the transmission adjusts to changes in load or road speed. Under brisk acceleration, for example, the engine revs up to where it produces the most power and is held there as the transmission constantly adjusts to the increasing speed of the car. Under cruise conditions, the transmission can adjust for small changes in road speed while the engine is kept at a consistent rpm for best fuel economy. A limiting factor is that because CVTs rely on friction between the belt and the pulleys, they haven’t yet been designed to handle a lot of power. Currently, the highest-horsepower CVT application is in the Nissan Maxima, where it’s paired with a 290-horsepower 3.5-liter V6.

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,064
    The CVT has been around for some time now. I npbought a '13 Accord CVT, plan on keeping it for at least 10 years and love it. If someone didn't tell you it was a CVT you would never know.
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  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,266
    backy said:

    Get an Accord with the 6MT. Less expensive and more fun than the CVT, and no worries about CVT reliability. :)

    I think you're focusing too much on this one detail. Consider that you need to drive the car every day of those 10+ years. Would you rather that car be the Camry, or the Accord?

    Thanks for your input. I'm not a fan of MT's. Lots of stop and go traffic on my commute. I drove a manual for about a year and it was not fun.

    I don't think I have a real strong preference between the Camry and Accord. I want something reliable and comfortable and I would be happy with either one if they are relatively trouble free.

    Bean

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  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,266
    brian125 said:

    I have a 2013 V-6 Accord 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 6A) my Trans was replaced at 2,200 miles. Leaking from inside. Both Trans could be a crap shoot but I would avoid the CVT also if you plan on a 10yr run. .


    Interesting article on CVT 's.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/cars/your-next-vehicle-is-more-likely-to-have-a-cvt-heres-why/2014/05/27/76abd984-e5b4-11e3-a70e-ea1863229397_story.html

    Brian, this is some real good input - thanks for this. I am surprised that your trans had to be replaced so early, but I guess anything can have a defect. I don't trust the long-term robustness of CVT's since they are relatively new, at least in Hondas. I feel the same way about the dual clutch auto in the new Acura TLX. Not sure I would trust that for a long term relationship.


    Bean
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,266
    suydam said:

    The CVT has been around for some time now. I npbought a '13 Accord CVT, plan on keeping it for at least 10 years and love it. If someone didn't tell you it was a CVT you would never know.

    Thanks for your input. I hope you have good luck with the Honda CVT. I am probably being too particular about this, but since I am close to retirement and don't buy a new car but every 10-15 years, I want to be sure I make a good choice.


    Bean

    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    Personally, I like having a sun roof, especially to let light in. I do crack it open at the back pretty often, but rarely slide all the way back. I don't find it interferes with headroom unless you are sitting in the back. I'm sure they are not all designed the same.
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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    thebean said:



    I don't think I have a real strong preference between the Camry and Accord. I want something reliable and comfortable and I would be happy with either one if they are relatively trouble free.

    If you want something with a non-CVT AT and proven, the Camry may be your best bet. But before you choose which car to drive for the next 10+ years, if I were you I'd try other options, including the new Sonata (2.4L, 6AT), the Optima (same), and the Mazda6. From what I've read about the new Sonata, it's a very comfortable, quiet mid-sizer, and the 2.4L with 6AT has been around awhile.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,273
    I don't think of a Sonata or a Kia as a vehicle I would want to count on for 10 years of service.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    they are good quality now. Plus, there is the 10 year/100K powertrain warranty. So if you aren't planning to drive lots of miles, pretty much takes trans worries out of the picture.

    In this class, I don't think there are any bad options. So try them all, and decide what you like the best, and want to "marry" to the next 10 years!

    The Camry though, while not exciting, was a very nice drive. And certainly has that bullet proof reputation.

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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited October 2014
    ab348 said:

    I don't think of a Sonata or a Kia as a vehicle I would want to count on for 10 years of service.


    @backy and @stickguy summed it up best. Just to chime in


    I think all car companies should adopt a warranty program like these 2 companies. Stand behind your product bumper to bumper for atleast 5 years and 10yr on powertrain. This is one good reason 2 buy either a Kia or Hyundai. . The other is both are making much better vehicles today.





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