Midsize Sedans 2.0

backy

My 2001 Elantra, purchased new 14 years ago, is still running strong and the interior looks like new (exterior has some wear and tear), owned now by my sister. My 2004 Elantra, purchased new 10-1/2 years ago, still runs like new and interior and paint are in great shape--but also a few dings and scratches. Owned now by my son. Both cars have been very reliable during their lifetimes. I currently lease a 2013 Sonata (2 years old) and a 2013 Rio5, and except for one recall on the Sonata no problems on either car. I think if you check, you'll see Toyota's had a few recalls over the past few years too.

If you want a Camry, get a Camry. I'm sure you'll get good service out of it. But if I were to buy a car to be driven for over 10 years, I'd check out all my options. As was said, there's a lot of great choices in this field now.

Footnote: anecdotal evidence aside, the prior-generation Sonata was one of CR's favorites in this class. They don't recommend unreliable cars. The powertrain on the 2015 (2.4L, 6AT) is a retuned version of the 2.4L powertrain from the 2011-14 Sonata. And the 2010 Sonata was JD Power's winner of their 2013 VDS. Not Camry or Accord. Toyota and Honda aren't the only choices for reliable cars these days.

brian125

Hyundai Sonata and Toyota Camry are redesigned for 2015, as are the Chrysler 200 and Subaru legacy. All of these models boast enhanced suspensions for better handling, as well as better interior materials. The legacy has a 6cyl. option if you want to avoid the CVT model version.

Competition this year will be fierce in the midsize market. Incentives and rebates will be flying around making it a very good 2015 for many buyers.

The Chrysler 200 should appeal to a lot of young buyers. very nice look.

thebean

ab348 said:

I don't think of a Sonata or a Kia as a vehicle I would want to count on for 10 years of service.

I agree. I just don't think the engineering is there for the Korean companies. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think a Hyundai or a Kia will hold up as well in the long term.


Bean

thebean

stickguy said:

they are good quality now. Plus, there is the 10 year/100K powertrain warranty. So if you aren't planning to drive lots of miles, pretty much takes trans worries out of the picture.

In this class, I don't think there are any bad options. So try them all, and decide what you like the best, and want to "marry" to the next 10 years!

The Camry though, while not exciting, was a very nice drive. And certainly has that bullet proof reputation.

You have a great point - there are a lot of very fine choices in this category. Last week, I drove a Mazda 6, and although it is very good looking, I couldn't get comfortable in the drivers seat. Over the 45 minute test drive, I must have adjusted the seat 10 times and never got to the point where I thought I could take a 5 hour road trip in it.


Bean

thebean

brian125 said:

ab348 said:

I don't think of a Sonata or a Kia as a vehicle I would want to count on for 10 years of service.

@backy and @stickguy summed it up best. Just to chime in


I think all car companies should adopt a warranty program like these 2 companies. Stand behind your product bumper to bumper for atleast 5 years and 10yr on powertrain. This is one good reason 2 buy either a Kia or Hyundai. . The other is both are making much better vehicles today.

The Korean companies to have a superior warranty, but I would rather not have to go in for repairs, no matter if I pay for them or not. My wife's 2001 Lexus (ES300) has been the poster child for low maintenance. No trips to the repair shop needed other than normal maintenance. It only has 60,000 miles on it, so it should be good for another 10 years or more. But, even with that, I would be a bit reluctant to take a 13 year old car on a long road trip, which is why I'm getting something new for myself (to take the place of my 2002 Civic).


Bean

thebean

backy said:

My 2001 Elantra, purchased new 14 years ago, is still running strong and the interior looks like new (exterior has some wear and tear), owned now by my sister. My 2004 Elantra, purchased new 10-1/2 years ago, still runs like new and interior and paint are in great shape--but also a few dings and scratches. Owned now by my son. Both cars have been very reliable during their lifetimes. I currently lease a 2013 Sonata (2 years old) and a 2013 Rio5, and except for one recall on the Sonata no problems on either car. I think if you check, you'll see Toyota's had a few recalls over the past few years too.

If you want a Camry, get a Camry. I'm sure you'll get good service out of it. But if I were to buy a car to be driven for over 10 years, I'd check out all my options. As was said, there's a lot of great choices in this field now.

Footnote: anecdotal evidence aside, the prior-generation Sonata was one of CR's favorites in this class. They don't recommend unreliable cars. The powertrain on the 2015 (2.4L, 6AT) is a retuned version of the 2.4L powertrain from the 2011-14 Sonata. And the 2010 Sonata was JD Power's winner of their 2013 VDS. Not Camry or Accord. Toyota and Honda aren't the only choices for reliable cars these days.

Great points. Thanks for your input. Maybe I need to be more open to the Korean cars. I just hate the thought of buying something and not liking it and having to drive it for 10+ years. I'm cursed with perfectionism and paralysis by analysis.

thebean

brian125 said:

Hyundai Sonata and Toyota Camry are redesigned for 2015, as are the Chrysler 200 and Subaru legacy. All of these models boast enhanced suspensions for better handling, as well as better interior materials. The legacy has a 6cyl. option if you want to avoid the CVT model version.

Competition this year will be fierce in the midsize market. Incentives and rebates will be flying around making it a very good 2015 for many buyers.

The Chrysler 200 should appeal to a lot of young buyers. very nice look.

I was almost convinced to get a Subaru, but the engine head gasket issues scared me off those. I believe the 6 cylinder doesn't have those issues as much, but that still makes me wary. I wouldn't consider a Chrysler product, but that's just me.

I sound like a whiny old man, I know. There are many good choices in mid-sized cars, so I just need to bite the bullet and get something. I really appreciate all the inputs from those that responded.

brian125

@theBean

Check out the reviews on the 2015 Genesis. Here on Edmunds Nice write up on this vehicle. Ofcoarse resale value is terrible on most Hyundai / Kia's, but good value for the money if your keeping them and not trading / selling every 5 yrs.

My 2013, R-Spec sedan Genesis performance model has 3,200 miles. Nothing to report yet problem wise. ........lol. Who knows down the road thou. A lot of Korean cars have been lasting longer with fewer repairs, My niece has a 2009 Sonata. Not one problems the past 5 years with over 50k.

My 2012 Bmw x-5 with 22k has had some minor issue's. My wife's ML-350 has had the A/c compressor replace otherwise trouble free. and as posted above Honda replace a defective transmission in my 2013 Accord. It is running trouble free this past year.

backy

Since the Lexus has held up so well and they're tops in reliability, how about getting a gently used CPO ES? Good warranty and wouldn't cost more than a new Camry. For example, there's some 2011 ESes in my area with under 50k miles for under $26k asking price, with the 3 year/100k CPO warranty.

stickguy

the Sube engine was redesigned a few years back to eliminate the head gasket weak spot. I think the Legacy/Outback got it starting in 2013. So would not worry about that now.

ab348

backy said:

My 2001 Elantra, purchased new 14 years ago, is still running strong and the interior looks like new (exterior has some wear and tear), owned now by my sister. My 2004 Elantra, purchased new 10-1/2 years ago, still runs like new and interior and paint are in great shape--but also a few dings and scratches. Owned now by my son. Both cars have been very reliable during their lifetimes. I currently lease a 2013 Sonata (2 years old) and a 2013 Rio5, and except for one recall on the Sonata no problems on either car. I think if you check, you'll see Toyota's had a few recalls over the past few years too.

Lots of other anecdotal reports that would contradict yours, from the chronic left pull on 2010 Sonatas to more prevalent repairs 5-6 years down the road. Plus the lack of well-engineered chassis dynamics would be satisfactory only to the most undemanding appliance-seeking owners. There are people like that, lots of them, and that is OK. But living with that kind of car for the long term would not be acceptable for those who demand more.

suydam

Sounds like you will be very happy with a Camry. Better visibility too (along with Honda).

thebean

backy said:

Since the Lexus has held up so well and they're tops in reliability, how about getting a gently used CPO ES? Good warranty and wouldn't cost more than a new Camry. For example, there's some 2011 ESes in my area with under 50k miles for under $26k asking price, with the 3 year/100k CPO warranty.

That's a good thought.  I'll look at the inventory of CPO of my local Lexus dealer.

thebean

stickguy said:

the Sube engine was redesigned a few years back to eliminate the head gasket weak spot. I think the Legacy/Outback got it starting in 2013. So would not worry about that now.

I've heard (anecdotal only) there are still some HG problems with the 4 cyl, although it appears to be improving.  I'm still wary.

thebean

brian125 said:

@theBean Check out the reviews on the 2015 Genesis. Here on Edmunds Nice write up on this vehicle. Ofcoarse resale value is terrible on most Hyundai / Kia's, but good value for the money if your keeping them and not trading / selling every 5 yrs. My 2013, R-Spec sedan Genesis performance model has 3,200 miles. Nothing to report yet problem wise. ........lol. Who knows down the road thou. A lot of Korean cars have been lasting longer with fewer repairs, My niece has a 2009 Sonata. Not one problems the past 5 years with over 50k. My 2012 Bmw x-5 with 22k has had some minor issue's. My wife's ML-350 has had the A/c compressor replace otherwise trouble free. and as posted above Honda replace a defective transmission in my 2013 Accord. It is running trouble free this past year.

The Genesis is very nice & the reviews are good but that's a lot of money for a Hyundai.  

brian125

Its a poor mans upscale luxury vehicle for 45k. If you could get past the brand name.

backy

ab348 said:

Lots of other anecdotal reports that would contradict yours, from the chronic left pull on 2010 Sonatas to more prevalent repairs 5-6 years down the road. Plus the lack of well-engineered chassis dynamics would be satisfactory only to the most undemanding appliance-seeking owners. There are people like that, lots of them, and that is OK. But living with that kind of car for the long term would not be acceptable for those who demand more.

How many Hyundais have you owned, or had in your family? Had any for over 10 years? How about 14 years?

I owned a Sonata from the 2006-10 generation and the steering was fine. Not the crispest handling mid-sizer by any means, but safe handling and a smooth ride. CR recommends the 2007-08 Sonata as one of their best bets in a used sedan--those are now 7-8 years old so they must hold up pretty well. Up until now the Sonata never had great chassis dynamics, but both the 2006-10 and 2011-14 Sonatas were at least as capable as the Camry there. The 2015 is improved there according to reviews; Edmunds gave it their top score in "fun to drive".

Your comment about those who demand more is unintentionally funny, considering the OP is favoring buying a Camry. Not exactly the car I think about for someone who demands more out of mid-sized car, except for reliability. And the reliability may even be questionable, as I see late-model Camrys have had recalls for fuel system issues, AC issues, and brake issues.

explorerx4

I consider a 45k Genesis a lot of car for the money and a 20k Camry a lot of money for a car.

stickguy

$26K for a 2001 with 50K on the clock? not the way I would go if looking for something to keep for 10 years, into retirement, when cheap to own is paramount.

For that money you can get a new Camry XLE, just about as loaded. Even with the same basic V6 if you want, but in this case, for the OP sounds like the 4 would be plenty.

so I vote for an XLE 4 cyl. can get it with cloth or leather too.

thebean

stickguy said:

$26K for a 2001 with 50K on the clock? not the way I would go if looking for something to keep for 10 years, into retirement, when cheap to own is paramount. For that money you can get a new Camry XLE, just about as loaded. Even with the same basic V6 if you want, but in this case, for the OP sounds like the 4 would be plenty. so I vote for an XLE 4 cyl. can get it with cloth or leather too.

It would be a LE because I don't want a sunroof, but you are right on about the 4 banger.  When I looking looked at my local dealer (Park Place Lexus), they are mighty proud of all their CPO cars.  I think I'd rather have a new Camry or Avelon.

stickguy

can still get an XLE without a moonroof, as long as it is a 4. It is optional. This blurb is from the Edmunds summary. Note though that depending on which other fancy items you want, sometimes the moonroof becomes required.

"The following items are optional on the four-cylinder XSE and XLE and standard on their V6-powered versions: LED headlights, a noise-reducing windshield, a sunroof, the Convenience package items, a 7-inch upgraded Entune touchscreen interface, a navigation system, Qi wireless smartphone charging and a suite of smartphone-integration apps."

thebean

stickguy said:

can still get an XLE without a moonroof, as long as it is a 4. It is optional. This blurb is from the Edmunds summary. Note though that depending on which other fancy items you want, sometimes the moonroof becomes required. "The following items are optional on the four-cylinder XSE and XLE and standard on their V6-powered versions: LED headlights, a noise-reducing windshield, a sunroof, the Convenience package items, a 7-inch upgraded Entune touchscreen interface, a navigation system, Qi wireless smartphone charging and a suite of smartphone-integration apps."

Ah, good info.  Thanks very much for posting this.  

backy

stickguy said:

$26K for a 2001 with 50K on the clock? not the way I would go if looking for something to keep for 10 years, into retirement, when cheap to own is paramount.

For that money you can get a new Camry XLE, just about as loaded. Even with the same basic V6 if you want, but in this case, for the OP sounds like the 4 would be plenty.

so I vote for an XLE 4 cyl. can get it with cloth or leather too.

Yes, $26k for a 2001 ES isn't a very good deal at all! But I was talking about 2011 ES CPO cars for under $26k with less than 50k miles. And for a thousand or two more, the miles drop down into the 20k-30k range.

Sure, you can get a new Camry with a 4 cylinder and cloth interior for that kind of money easy. But the ES is a lot nicer ride IMO. All depends on what you want in a car.

stickguy

yes, I know it was 2011. That was a typo. I still don't see a 4 YO (model years) ES with 40K+ being a better option as a buy and hold.

backy

Not even a V6 Lexus that will probably run forever? OK. But it's moot anyway as the OP said he wants a 4 cylinder, so looks like an ES is out of the picture.

stickguy

no, V6 toyotas don't run forever with no problems either. Not guaranteed, and Lexus' are still pretty complicated. Not like running an old Corolla.

Anyway, I am done with this conversation. Been beaten to death.

m6user

The Outback V-6 doesn't have the auto trans anymore. CVT on both 4 and 6 cyl.

brian125

Our slogan use to be made in China. Now our Auto industry's slogan " replaced by a cheaper made Transmission called CVT " . I'm loving my 8sp Trans. For now.

akirby

Warranties don't mean anything. They're just insurance policies which can be included by the mfr or purchased by the owner. You can put a longer warranty on the worst car as long as you factor in the cost in the MSRP. I would rather have a 3/36 bumper to bumper and 5/60 powertrain and let buyers purchase additional coverage IF they want it. I don't want to be forced to pay for that extra coverage on every vehicle.

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I had to quickly pass a dump truck doing 40 in 55 on 395 into the city, and as it downshifted all kinds of smoke came out of my exhaust. It has been some time since I floored it so maybe it was a carbon build up in the exhaust... but I am very unhappy about it nonetheless. I need to call the service department and set up an oil change anyway, and address this too.

What do you guys think? God, it only has 34k on it!

stickguy

What color smoke?

backy

akirby said:

Warranties don't mean anything. They're just insurance policies which can be included by the mfr or purchased by the owner. You can put a longer warranty on the worst car as long as you factor in the cost in the MSRP. I would rather have a 3/36 bumper to bumper and 5/60 powertrain and let buyers purchase additional coverage IF they want it. I don't want to be forced to pay for that extra coverage on every vehicle.

In case you haven't noticed, the mid-sized cars with the long warranties, i.e. Optima and Sonata, don't cost any more than other mid-sizers. I expect that's because the extra warranty coverage doesn't cost Hyundai/Kia that much because their cars have improved a lot in reliability since the warranty started 15 years ago.

I'd rather get a longer warranty, all else being equal. Like icing on the cake.

suydam

The long warranties are quite specific though and don't cover most of what goes wrong in a vehicle.

robr2

suydam said:

The long warranties are quite specific though and don't cover most of what goes wrong in a vehicle.

It is a powertrain warranty that although specific, is better than the no warranty as offered by the other automakers. AFAIK, the extra cost extended warranties offered are often only powertrain as well.

akirby

Hyundais and Kias are no more reliable than Hondas, Toyotas or Fords therefore there is a cost to offering an extended powertrain warranty just as there would be with the other brands. So the cost of that warranty has to be included in the cost of the car. It's probably only a few hundred bucks but it's there. It has to be. If you can get away with a shorter warranty like the competition then you can save that few hundred bucks on each vehicle.

Ford offers a 7 yr 100K mile bumper to bumper extended warranty for approximately $1500. They are available.

backy

suydam said:

The long warranties are quite specific though and don't cover most of what goes wrong in a vehicle.

The 5-year/60k mile warranties cover most everything on the car, like the 3-year/36k mile warranties from other automakers. The big thing for me with the extra-length powertrain warranties is the transmission. Engines don't fail much anymore, but we all know of recalls and problems with modern automatics. So it's nice to know that slushboxes, very expensive to fix/replace, are covered up to 10 years/100k miles for the original owner, or later owner if a CPO car.

stickguy

based on the components that the powertrain piece covers, I think of it as transmission protection. Because that is the massively expensive component covered that actually sometimes fails in that time period. Most everything else (engine internals) is probably going to be fine. Certainly nice to have if you do get a premature failure of course.

Though there is a LT poster here (haven't seen him in a while) that did have an early engine failure in a Hyundai and get screwed over by Hyundai refusing to cover it, on trumped up charges.

also, in terms of cost, Hyunkia is self insuring. So, it costs them nothing up front, just whatever claims they actually cover 5+ years down the road. And that is only for original owners, since that extended period (the up to 10/100) doesn't transfer.

so they must be budgeting something into the price of the car for this coverage, but I doubt the price would drop much if they gave it up.

ivan_99

cski said:

I had to quickly pass a dump truck doing 40 in 55 on 395 into the city, and as it downshifted all kinds of smoke came out of my exhaust. It has been some time since I floored it so maybe it was a carbon build up in the exhaust... but I am very unhappy about it nonetheless. I need to call the service department and set up an oil change anyway, and address this too.

What do you guys think? God, it only has 34k on it!

I thought this was a "known" issue that had been resolved by the manufacturer? Or that is what I heard anecdotally online...I think it was a KIA...can't recall specifics.

[Deleted User]

I took it in. It was carbon build up. I watched them rev it up and there was nothing. Everything was fine and all the diagnostics checked out.

ivan_99

cski said:

I took it in. It was carbon build up. I watched them rev it up and there was nothing. Everything was fine and all the diagnostics checked out.

Maybe it's like the 'olden' days with the Italian Tune-up's...clear your carburetor by gunning it on the highway

thebean

cski said:

I took it in. It was carbon build up. I watched them rev it up and there was nothing. Everything was fine and all the diagnostics checked out.

I'm sure that was a relief.  Even if covered by warranty, it would have been a hassle.

brian125

Consumer Reports has named its top vehicles for reliability,
Lexus ES is a pick
Mitsubishi Outlander Sport is another top pick for
Lexus CT 200h is a compact luxury hybrid
Lexus RX is a top SUV


Here are Consumer Reports' tally of predicted reliability by brand for 2015 models, and the best and worst individual models in this year's survey:

Rank (Rank last year), brand, worst model, best model

1. (1) Lexus, IS 250, CT 200h
2. (2) Toyota, Avalon, Prius C
3. (5) Mazda, Mazda3 (2.5L), Mazda6*
4. (8) Honda, Odyssey, Civic Coupe
5. (4) Audi, S5*, Allroad*
6. (12) Buick, LaCrosse (V-6), Verano
7. (10) Subaru, BRZ*, Forester (non-turbo)*
8. (1) Scion, FR-S*, xB
9. (14) Porsche, 911*, Cayman*
10. (16) Kia, Optima Hybrid*, Cadenza
11. (3) Acura, RLX*, ILX
12. (7) Volvo, XC70, S60 (5- & 6-cyl.)
13. (21) Hyundai, Santa Fe Sport (turbo), Azera
14. (15) BMW, 320i & 328i (RWD), 4 Series*
15. (27) Lincoln, MKT Ecoboost,*, MKZ (V-6)*
16. (22) Nissan, Pathfinder, Maxima
17. (20) Volkswagen, CC, Passat 1.8T*
18. (25) Cadillac, ATS (turbo)*, ATS (V6)*
19. (9) GMC, Sierra 1500 (V8 4WD), Terrain (4-cyl.)
20. (6) Infiniti, Q50*, QX80*
21. (17) Chevrolet, Cruze 1.4T, Equinox (4-cyl.)
22. (18) Chrysler, 300, Town & Country
23. (26) Ford, Fiesta, Fusion (1.5L Ecoboost)
24. (13) Mercedes-Benz, CLA 250*, GLK (diesel)
25. (24) Dodge, Dart 1.4T*, Dart (2.0L)*
26. (19) Ram, 2500 & 3500 (turbodiesel),1500 (V-8 4WD)
27. (23) Jeep, Cherokee (4-cyl.)*, Patriot
28. (NA) Fiat, 500L, 500

brian125

Nice job to Buick and Kia breaking the top 10

[Deleted User]

brian125 said:

Consumer Reports has named its top vehicles for reliability,
Lexus ES is a pick
Mitsubishi Outlander Sport is another top pick for
Lexus CT 200h is a compact luxury hybrid
Lexus RX is a top SUV


Here are Consumer Reports' tally of predicted reliability by brand for 2015 models, and the best and worst individual models in this year's survey:

Rank (Rank last year), brand, worst model, best model

1. (1) Lexus, IS 250, CT 200h
2. (2) Toyota, Avalon, Prius C
3. (5) Mazda, Mazda3 (2.5L), Mazda6*
4. (8) Honda, Odyssey, Civic Coupe
5. (4) Audi, S5*, Allroad*
6. (12) Buick, LaCrosse (V-6), Verano
7. (10) Subaru, BRZ*, Forester (non-turbo)*
8. (1) Scion, FR-S*, xB
9. (14) Porsche, 911*, Cayman*
10. (16) Kia, Optima Hybrid*, Cadenza
11. (3) Acura, RLX*, ILX
12. (7) Volvo, XC70, S60 (5- & 6-cyl.)
13. (21) Hyundai, Santa Fe Sport (turbo), Azera
14. (15) BMW, 320i & 328i (RWD), 4 Series*
15. (27) Lincoln, MKT Ecoboost,*, MKZ (V-6)*
16. (22) Nissan, Pathfinder, Maxima
17. (20) Volkswagen, CC, Passat 1.8T*
18. (25) Cadillac, ATS (turbo)*, ATS (V6)*
19. (9) GMC, Sierra 1500 (V8 4WD), Terrain (4-cyl.)
20. (6) Infiniti, Q50*, QX80*
21. (17) Chevrolet, Cruze 1.4T, Equinox (4-cyl.)
22. (18) Chrysler, 300, Town & Country
23. (26) Ford, Fiesta, Fusion (1.5L Ecoboost)
24. (13) Mercedes-Benz, CLA 250*, GLK (diesel)
25. (24) Dodge, Dart 1.4T*, Dart (2.0L)*
26. (19) Ram, 2500 & 3500 (turbodiesel),1500 (V-8 4WD)
27. (23) Jeep, Cherokee (4-cyl.)*, Patriot
28. (NA) Fiat, 500L, 500

The Lexus ES300/350 line is legendary for reliability. Even 20 yr old models still look great, and a ton of old codgers have them at church.

Mr_Shiftright

Now you know why the VP of Chrysler Quality Control has just been allowed to (and I quote directly from the article) "seek new opportunities".

Apparently Chrysler's 7-speed automatic has demons installed.

backy

At least their new 9-speed automatic is OK!

[Deleted User]

ivan_99 said:

cski said:

I took it in. It was carbon build up. I watched them rev it up and there was nothing. Everything was fine and all the diagnostics checked out.

Maybe it's like the 'olden' days with the Italian Tune-up's...clear your carburetor by gunning it on the highway

It still runs a looks new plus only has 34k, so if the engine starts to go I am trading it promptly.

[Deleted User]

Gunning it on the highway can lead to tickets so I won't be doing that too often. Anyway,Fairfax County has spent millions to repave 6 miles of our busy main road leading to 395/495/95, forcing us to drive on the scraped up surface where dust and stone chips are flying everywhere.
So, on my way in this morning a fairly large stone cracked my windshield. Also there is dust so bad it almost clogged my cabin filter. Nice.

As you might guess I am pissed about it and I will be calling the county as soon as they open for resident complaints. I am sure my insurance will pay for it, but that isn't the point. They need to do a better job of cleaning the surface and making sure residents will not have all kinds of damage that is no fault of their own.

ryster

brian125 said:

ab348 said:

I don't think of a Sonata or a Kia as a vehicle I would want to count on for 10 years of service.

@backy and @stickguy summed it up best. Just to chime in


I think all car companies should adopt a warranty program like these 2 companies. Stand behind your product bumper to bumper for atleast 5 years and 10yr on powertrain. This is one good reason 2 buy either a Kia or Hyundai. . The other is both are making much better vehicles today.

There are a lot of exceptions in Hyundai's 5yr/60K "bumper to bumper" warranty. Paint is only 3yr/36K miles. Radio/Navigation/Bluetooth systems are 3yr/36K. Adjustments are covered 1yr/12K miles. A/C refrigerant level is covered for 1yr. Battery is covered for 2yrs for 100% replacement, 3yrs prorated, then not covered at all. Light bulbs, etc are 1yr.12K miles.

I now have 61,200 miles on my 2011 Hyundai Sonata. Aside from 5 recalls, I had to have the thermostat and thermostat housing in the engine replaced under warranty. The car has its quirks and I am not sure it could go past 75,000 miles without some sort of major problem. The transmission shifts rough sometimes, the engine is burning oil at the rate of 1qt every 1000 miles, and the number of odd mechanical and structural noises is growing quickly.

When the right deal comes along in the next few months, I plan to trade it in.