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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,337
    I will say that the mid size class is amazing now. Competition is good for the consumer. Even the "also rans" are excellent cars in their own way, and there is really something for everyone. Even MPG overall rivals the compacts. and if you can control yourself on options, can easily get a nice one in the low 20s. But if you want to load it up like a Benz, you can.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Why stop at 420? The gt350 has a 5.2L flat plane crank v8 with 500+ hp.
  • nyccarguy said:

    @cski‌

    I'm glad your date went well. I'm sure its not easy being on the dating scene with 3 kids in your early 40s. I'd be terrified, so kudos to you for putting yourself out there.

    You say there is "No Reason to buy a GT". I can think of about 420 reasons to buy a GT. Plus you want a stick too? You might as well go for the "Full Mustang Experience."

    And where am I going to use that power? The owner of the dealer, who I waved hi to on the parkway; also owns the 2.3T. It looks just like the Steve McQueen Stan from Bullitt. You can actually see the hood... You can see the power ridges on the hood too. The GT. Costs $45,000. The base 2.3 "Ecoboost" in a drag race with the GT is .2 difference. My money is on the 2.3 T with the grey chrome wheels for a total of $26,700,and that is before I walk out 5 times and finally get a REAL deal. When I finally inform them that my car is sold, and I have $4000 in my pocket.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    Well, in the past week I've driven the Malibu, Accord, Camry, Legacy, Sonata and Jetta. Why Jetta? Because on paper it is almost the same exact size as the Mazda6 my wife drives now and has much more hp/tq. Just to let everyone know where we stand so far and the versions we are interested in they are as follows and all are 2015 I4 automatics.

    1. Accord Sport
    2. Camry SE
    3. Legacy Premium

    They are all around $24-25k MSRP. However, from doing a little net research it appears the Camrys are being discounted about $3-$4k, the Honda $2-$3k and the Legacy maybe $2k. So it appears the street price would be around $21-22K on each.

    Now it's up to the wife to test drive each and make a decision.

    Why the Malibu got struck. Dealer experience sucked, the transmission constantly hunted for the right gear, didn't like the start-stop feature, lots of bells and whistles were only available if you signed up for On-Star subscription which my wife would never go for. Heavy steering had no feel for the road and car was a little floaty as well.

    Why the Jetta got struck. I liked it a lot. The 1.8T in that car is plenty quick and the car handles nicely but it was a lttile tighter than desired on the inside. Basically it was the price to get what she wants was a little high and she's hesitant on the reliability front after being spoiled by the Mazda. She plans on keeping the car for probably 6-8 years.

    Why the Sonata got struck. The Sonata almost made the list. It was a much better drive than the one I tested several years ago when we bought the Mazda. Interior on the 2015 is very nice and seems to be pretty much on par with Accord. Still a little floaty and the transmission hunted for the right gear sometimes. Dealership just as disorganized it was several years ago. The dealership is nothing against the car but I have to feel at least somewhat confident that they know what they are doing as I always service at the dealership during warranty periods and obviously recalls.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,280
    I'm curious at what bells and whistles on the Malibu require an OnStar subscription. That would give you the OnStar version of navigation but none of the others at that price point would have nav anyway. I'm confused.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    @m6user, The dealer is pretty important, not only the 'deal'.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited November 2014
    @m6user,

    The Accord Sport is going to win this 3 legged race..


    Laying odds 3 to 1............................. with legacy being the dark horse............ Any takers.

    Shuffling my line up soon and need some cash.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    @ab348‌
    The salesman just kept showing me all this internet, 4G LTE stuff, guide by voice stuff after I kept telling him my wife really cares nothing about "connectivity" either through an MP3 player, USB port or through moving internet. Everything seemed to only be available if you have a "monthly plan". Not interested.

    I forgot. Another thing on the Malibu was the trunk. It was very narrow(narrower than the others) because on one side there was a compartment that appeared to have a battery in it and I don't know what was on the other side but it intruded about the same amount. In affect all the other cars I could have laid my golf clubs and cart lengthwise right across at the front(by rear bumper) of the trunk as that was the widest spot. The Malibu was too narrow to do that.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    The Accord Sport may win but it is my wife's decision not mine. If it was mine I would probably chose the Legacy. From looking at the brochures she is liking the Camry so far. Go figure. The only reason the Sport version of the Accord was necessary was to get a power seat. She could care less about the extra 4 hp, trunk lip, dual exhaust or leather steering wheel cover. And she would have probably preferred to stay with the 16" rims on the LX for the little softer ride and cheaper tire replacement.
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited November 2014
    Accord Sport has 189 h/p oppose to Legacy 175, and Camry 178. Definitely not a game changer. All 3 vehicles are within a inch or so in leg, head, and shoulder room.


    If what you say is true about looks of Accord, wheel size, dual pipes etc make the best deal out of the 3 choices.

    A great deal can be had with either 3 vehicles right before Dec, 31st.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,337
    could always go one step further up and get an EX. About $1,200 more than a Sport!

    all fine choices you have. Actually, Accord, Camry and Legacy were my other finalists. Probably should have saved $ and gone with the leftover 2014 Camry. Oh well!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    Basically that $1200 for the EX pays for a sunroof that neither of us would want or ever use. I know there are a couple of other bells and whistles that come on the EX but I think the main cost is the sunroof.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    The Legacy actually feels much stronger off the line than either the Accord or the Camry even though it has a couple less horses. Obviously it's gearing but perception is reality.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November 2014
    @m6user, Last sedan my wife drove was a V8 SHO. I'd just have your wife buy the cheapest mid size sedan. My guess is Camry LE. That's what she wants.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited November 2014
    Right now Subaru and Toyota have no cash incentives on your vehicles. Honda has a 500 cash incentive on the 2015 model.

    Wait till Dec I'm sure Toyota will have something going on for the Camry.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,337
    The sunroof is a good chunk of that (hey, some of us think that is a plus). Also the lanewatch feature.

    I know there are a few other extras, but those are the big ones off the top of my head.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    'That's what she wants.'

    And just why would you say that without knowing anything about my wife? She picked the Mazda6 because of the way it handled and still likes it but doesn't like how much road noise makes it's way into the cabin. The newest Camry does drive better than they used to and from what I've read the SE model would handle a little better than the LE I tested the other day. I didn't test the SE the other day because I didn't realize then that certain things that are in the SE package were important to her. So, no, she is not just looking for the cheapest thing out there.

    By the way, the Malibu would probably be the cheapest as they seem to be going for $5-$6k off MSRP around Chicago area.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited November 2014
    I LOVE my car. I just wish the 2.3T from the Mustang was in it, it had rear drive, and..... and still had all the room in the interior. The interior of the 'stang was an ergonomic nightmare. The buttons were all small and seemed to be made for Gollum or a hobbit or something. I am too big for the car, and so are my kids. It is a pipe dream for a selfish juvenile. Seriously, go drive one... just try to adjust the A/C, find the tiny, tiny mirror controls....fr the Tony tiny mirrors. It does have a back up camera... which was awesome. We should have had those 25 years ago.... by law. Anyway, obviously I am not getting a new mustang... but one can dream.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    Yes, I know that Honda is offering the dealer cash and I also get $500 for military discount. But I'm not letting pure price influence her decision because something that you keep for 6-8 years and spend that much time in shouldn't be decided by a few hundred dollars.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    @m6user, The Camry SE has a stiff suspension. Read the reviews. LE drives ok and doesn't have the rough ride of an SE. That's why I went with LE for her, and it is the cheapest.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,337
    I only sat in a 2015 Camry, but did not drive. However the reviews said that all the 15s have improved handling/control/feel.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited November 2014
    m6user said:

    Yes, I know that Honda is offering the dealer cash and I also get $500 for military discount. But I'm not letting pure price influence her decision because something that you keep for 6-8 years and spend that much time in shouldn't be decided by a few hundred dollars.

    I agree.

    With both incentives from Honda you could very well nail a Accord Sport for 1k plus below dealers invoice on a 2015 model. There have been several buyers I know that got to 1k below already on a 2015. Your area with supply and demand will be a factor. With your incentives buying at 1k below gives dealer there 2% holdback and doc fee charge. You get a great price in return.

    Just something to consider.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    @explorerx4‌
    She's used to driving the Mazda6 which has a pretty firm suspension. I said she is looking for a quieter ride, not necessarily a "softer" ride. She likes to drive fairly hard(evidenced by several speeding tickets). If Mazda would have chosen to put a little more soundproofing into their car versus trying to take every bit of extra weight out.....skyactiv......it would probably be at the top of the list. The Camry SE is only about $900 more and for what you get including the alloys it's not bad. It will be interesting to drive the SE and see how it really compares with the ride of the LE. On a test drive it may be difficult to really feel the difference unless I try to scare the sh** out of the salesperson.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    @m6user, SE looks better to me, but I like a car that's got something extra in how it looks.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    Yeah, my wife likes the grill and the alloys.  I like the SE grill better as well but neither of them are really great to my eye.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,337
    when I was looking at the Camry, I liked the proportions and wheels on the XLE better. The 18" wheels on the SE, and some of the side extensions, just did not look right to me. I was mostly interested in the SE for the purported sharper handling, though on my test drives, the XLE drove just fine.

    If you are looking at 2015s (likely at this point), road tests indicate that all models have a bit sharper handling, and better body/suspension control (grounded to the ground better?) :)

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited November 2014
    The sharpest looking 4 door sedan now is the Mazda 6 GT hands down...but why would I trade my car for one that looks almost exactly the same AND with less power and torque and $5000 more for comparable features so lets just say the Touring model. However, I really would advise you guys to drive a new 'stang and THEN find the closest handling mid-size that emulates it's stance and feel....even the shifter. I would buy a stick Mustang in a heartbeat..but alas; I have veto's from family and common sense took over from there
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited November 2014
    stickguy said:

    could always go one step further up and get an EX. About $1,200 more than a Sport!

    All fine choices. Actually, Accord, Camry and Legacy were my other finalists. Probably should have saved $ and gone with the leftover 2014 Camry. Oh well!


    Well, then on the Accord EX vs the Sport you lose one exhaust pipe, 1" smaller and 3/4 inch thinner rims and tires, and about 3 horsepower. However...you gain Pandora, Sat radio, GPS, etc etc. Just to make a point though...I never use Pandora, I let my Sirius become less so, and my Garmin from 2008 works fine. Gosh what a hard decision. I wonder if the dealer would pop in the Infotainment system from abd Accord EX with Sirius and all that...just to make the seal happen. Go in Friday the 28 or Saturday the 29th of December. Wearing a Santa hat will disarm them....and distract them.I wrote my own deal.....like I filled out the buyers order and gave it to the sales manager. He added $100 to my $195 processing fee and said OK.... IF I bought the 10/100 B2B FOR $900. Deal! So $900 plus $300 = $1200 plus 21,000 plus and tags. It came out to $24,000. Total amount financed at 3.9% and $450 a month. I put NOTHING down.

    The rear of the Camry now looks just like the Sonata, like they rolled one into the body shop and said "make it look like this...but not enough to get sued!"

    Legacy and Sonata are a tie in my mind, but my mind was one of the one that was a terrible thing to waste. Actually the ad was about me and my friend who listened to NWA, Slayer, Pantera, Motorhead, and anything else hard core; all at a level of volume that would have killed most rodents.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,491
    A few minor points. This morning, I helped the guy in the garage park a current body style Accord. Definitely a different car from my Legacy.

    The Accord's 4 cyl motor idles smooth and super quiet. If you didn't know better, you'd think there was a V6 under the hood. Stark contrast to my Legacy's Flat 4 which sounds thrashy when I 1st fire it up and eventually calms down.

    The Accord's Backup Camera Lines move with the steering wheel. My Legacy's lines stay straight. My Legacy has a much better resolution backup camera.

    The Accord's steering seemed to have a better slow speed feel than my Legacy.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    According to the salesman the Accord back up camera can be user selected to either straight lines or moving with the steering wheel.

    I noticed those same exact things during my test drives. In fact, the Accord was the quietest both at idle and on heavy acceleration of all the vehicles I test drove last week. The Legacy also was very abrupt at take off which one can get used to but was a bit of a start at the time. How's your Legacy on the expressway regarding road noise and noise from surrounding traffic?
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    @cski‌
    Re: the Accord Sport vs. Legacy. You mentioned you lose one tailpipe and 3/4" of tire tread on the Legacy. That's true. But it's only missed if one cares about it in the first place. Here are some things the Legacy Premium(which is cheaper MSRP) has that the Accord Sport doesn't have.

    1. Better MPG
    2. More interior room
    3. AWD
    4. Heated Seats
    5. Push button start
    6. 6 speaker vs. 4 for Accord
    7. Sliding center armrest
    8. LED brake lights
    9. Heated side mirrors
    10. Lighted glove box
    11. Leather gearshift knob
    12. Voice recognition
    13. Larger gas tank (more range is always nice to have)
    14. Cargo tie downs
    15. HD Radio
    16. Driver and passenger auto up/down vs. just the driver's in the Accord
    17. Aluminum spare vs. steel

    Granted, some of these items are of negligible importance and to be fair the Accord also has a few(very few and minor) things that the Legacy doesn't have. But taken in totality the Subaru is quite the value. It's not quite as refined as the Accord IMO but all those pluses are hard to ignore especially for a lower MSRP. I have a feeling between dealer cash, military rebate and dealer concessions the Accord would most likely have a lower street price. I'm the pros and cons person and she is "oh I like the color and how it drives, I like this one" type. We both know it so that is why she has me do the recon and she does the sniping when it comes to something she will drive 98% of the time.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,491
    @m6user‌

    I think @cski was comparing the Accord Sport to the Accord EX.

    I can certainly give it a shot to answer your questions objectively:

    I don't think the Legacy takes off abruptly at all. Part of that has to do with the AWD system transferring power to the rear wheels during "take off." I don't feel that "lurch" that I normally do with traditional FWD cars. I think the other part has to to with the H4 engine sitting lower than a tradition I4. More weight lower over the front wheels. I'm not sure about the other cars in the segment, but the Legacy also has liquid filled motor mounts.

    My Legacy drives great on the highway. Very smooth and compliant. They use double wishbones up front (like my Prelude) and a multi-link rear set up that most everyone else uses. It soaks up road imperfections nicely.

    Mid range passing power is average. It is far from sluggish, but isn't a road rocket by any means. You definitely hear the motor working when you stab the gas pedal. It sounds very mechanical, not unrefined though. I like engine noise though.

    There is a hint of wind noise. Road noise is minimal. The tires are quiet. The only other vehicles you hear are tractor trailers and lifted Wranglers with 31" Mud Tires.

    Just looking at a few things on your list, I can tell you that the Legacy Premium DOES NOT have push button start. I can also comment on a few of the others:

    3. AWD - This was the MAJOR selling point for me living in New England. I work for a family business and absolutely MUST open up at 7:30 AM, 6 days per week, especially in the cold weather. While I haven't gotten a chance to test out how well it drives in the snow yet, I can tell you the AWD gives the Legacy a much more neutral feel than a traditional front driver. I noticed on the test drive I was going a bit faster than I realized on a "clover leaf" exit ramp. The car didn't "push." The chassis stayed composed and neutral. I just kept on the gas pedal instead of braking late like I would in a front driver.

    4. Heated Seats - They are fantastic.

    12. Voice Recognition - It works really well. Light years ahead of my wife's 2011 Pilot (which in its defense is probably 2009 ish technology).

    I can't say that my Legacy will get THAT much better or worse gas mileage than an Accord. Nor can I say with absolute certainty that my car has a tremendous range advantage over an Accord.

    Obviously price is a factor, but when you plan on keeping a car long term you should get what you (or in this case, your wife) like. Even if it costs a little bit more up front.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    edited November 2014
    Thanks for the info, Yeah, I looked back at my list and I think it was a different car that I tested that had the push button start. And I looked back at cski's post and you're right...he was comparing to the EX. Sorry, cski! But my comment about not missing the extra tailpipe and 3/4" tread still holds.

    I definitely felt a lurch. I had to be very careful parking it as just a touch and it wanted to take off. I was watching a video review on youtube yesterday and the reviewer mentioned it as well and I said to myself I know exactly what he is talking about. Maybe your last car had a touchy gas pedal as well so it's not noticeable or maybe the tester I drove had a little "programming" fault. But it was there for me. I'll try and get a different car when my wife test drives one and see if it's the same. I had an Infiniti that had a touchy pedal and I got used to it pretty quickly and actually liked it after time.

    I noticed also what you said about the heated seats. The three levels were nice......only have two levels on my Acura.

    My comments about MPG and range were just that. According to EPA the Legacy gets better MPG and it does have a larger gas tank so range should be better. YMMV of course. I didn't say a lot or "tremendous" better.....just better.

    Thanks again.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,491
    Glad I could help!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • sunnxsunnx Member Posts: 3
    Need your expert advice :smile:

    Thanks for all of your valuable information.....because of which I could get the below quotes

    Can anyone of say which one is best value for money and features wise among the below 3 and which one to choose and why ?
    2014 Honda Accord LX for $19000 or 2014.5 Toyota Camry LE for 18200 or 2015 Nissan Altima S for $17500
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,337
    very comparable cars in terms of function and content. So my advice? Try them all, and get whichever one you like driving the most. All very strong deals.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited November 2014
    sunnx,

    All 3 vehicles are good choices. The Accord will hold the best resale value out of the lot..
    The Altima has a slight edge over Accords 27/36 mpg. with a ................... 27/38 mpg rating.

    The Camry has a softer ride than a Accord. The Altima has the most legroom at....... 45'

    Both Altima and Accord have a Continuously variable-speed automatic ( CVT transmissions). The Camry has 6-speed shiftable automatic.


    If you click on the Car Research tab on the top page here - go to compare cars. you could see all 3 vehicles side by side. This will give you a clear picture of all 3 vehicles and help you make a well educated decision after you test drive all three.




    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • ritchievanianritchievanian Member Posts: 2
    check out what "extra's" are important to you -*(power seats, cvt, etc) they are all fine cars and the price difference isn't that much. with any of those cars you'll do well.
    sunnx said:

    Need your expert advice :smile:

    Thanks for all of your valuable information.....because of which I could get the below quotes

    Can anyone of say which one is best value for money and features wise among the below 3 and which one to choose and why ?
    2014 Honda Accord LX for $19000 or 2014.5 Toyota Camry LE for 18200 or 2015 Nissan Altima S for $17500

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    All this objective data comparison is nice but in the end it really comes down to price, styling and personal preferences.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    edited November 2014
    Yes, that's what this is about.....personal preferences. There are always compromises and that's why it's good to do data comparisons so one can see if one car has this and that other car has that. It helps to determine what is more important. For example, I really appreciate auto climate control and if I had to choose between a power seat and auto climate control the a.c.c. would win. I rationalize that I drive my Acura 99% of the time and very very rarely adjust the seat. However, I'm constantly fiddling with the climate control when I drive my truck which doesn't have a.c.c. In looking for a new car for my wife I assumed she drives her car all the time so she would feel the same way. Wrong! She would rather have power seat. So data comparisons do come in handy and actually kind of fun if you have the time.

    I agree that in the final analysis styling and how if "feels" is important. Price really depends on your personal situation. My wife could easily buy a $40k or more car but just wants fairly basic transportation with some style and a few bells and whistles. She just thinks anything more than about $25k is more than wants to spend. She would rather spend on travel. I traveled extensively in both my corporate and military careers and have no desire for that. So I buy the $40k car and play golf......she can travel the world.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited November 2014
    m6user said:

    @cski‌
    Re: the Accord Sport vs. Legacy. You mentioned you lose one tailpipe and 3/4" of tire tread on the Legacy. That's true. But it's only missed if one cares about it in the first place. Here are some things the Legacy Premium(which is cheaper MSRP) has that the Accord Sport doesn't have.

    1. Better MPG
    2. More interior room
    3. AWD
    4. Heated Seats
    5. Push button start
    6. 6 speaker vs. 4 for Accord
    7. Sliding center armrest
    8. LED brake lights
    9. Heated side mirrors
    10. Lighted glove box
    11. Leather gearshift knob
    12. Voice recognition
    13. Larger gas tank (more range is always nice to have)
    14. Cargo tie downs
    15. HD Radio
    16. Driver and passenger auto up/down vs. just the driver's in the Accord
    17. Aluminum spare vs. steel

    Granted, some of these items are of negligible importance and to be fair the Accord also has a few(very few and minor) things that the Legacy doesn't have. But taken in totality the Subaru is quite the value. It's not quite as refined as the Accord IMO but all those pluses are hard to ignore especially for a lower MSRP. I have a feeling between dealer cash, military rebate and dealer concessions the Accord would most likely have a lower street price. I'm the pros and cons person and she is "oh I like the color and how it drives, I like this one" type. We both know it so that is why she has me do the recon and she does the sniping when it comes to something she will drive 98% of the time.




    He man,,,,, it was Accord Sport VS Accord EX. I said in my oat I had zero objections with the Legacy at all. It would have been handy yesterday in the slush.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    Yeah, I realized that and apologised for my mistake in a subsequent post.   guess you didn't see it.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited November 2014
    I got my M/T COTY issue today. The Golf took the golden calipers, not a surprise as it's a great car and a favorite of the automotive press. None of the mid-sized sedan contenders made it to Finalist--200, Legacy, nor Sonata. They praised the 200 and Sonata as being big improvements over their prior iterations, but not enough to be a Finalist. They liked the Legacy but said it wasn't "innovative" enough. Not sure what kind of innovation they're looking for in a mid-sized sedan. They've pretty much been perfected, IMO. Even the 200 seems like a very nice car.

    But then, the TLX didn't make Finalist either, and I wouldn't mind having one of those in my garage.

    But for those shopping for minivans... the new Sedona was a Finalist. :p
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    Ashame about the Golf................. Half of America cant fit in the dam thing. I drove one 6 months ago they drive and handle superb.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Well, if you mean you can't put 150,000,000 people into a Golf... that's true. ;)

    Actually, I'll bet a relatively small percentage of the total USA population couldn't fit into a Golf, at least in the front seats. Way less than 50%. For those people, there's the new Sedona! :D
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited November 2014
    Actually all joking aside leg room was quiet good in this small vehicle. Getting in and out of this vehicle on a daily basis would be a problem.

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    @stickguy your advice is needed . Post on her home page


    saamlee92 Posts: 0

    November 12 edited November 12 in Hyundai



    Hi. It's my very first post here :smile: I have a very good offer for a Sonata lease but I would like to know the real mpg I would get. Obviously it depends on many facts but any information you have is valuable. I will be driving about 40 miles, four days a week. It's gonna be mainly on highway of course.
    Number two on my list is the Mazda 3 which has more mpg but I didnt get a good offer yet. Thanks

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,337
    Not sure where this is or how to reply to it. But I haven't put on enough miles to really know. But, I have had a few legs (per the TC) local mixed driving where I got about 30. Pretty good for a car that size.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    @saamlee92 maybe this will work

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Speaking of good Sonata leases, I saw an ad in my local paper today for $189/month, $0 up front, 36 months/36k miles for a 2015 Sonata (didn't give the trim but I expect base trim). That's the lowest sign-and-drive lease I've seen on a Sonata or comparable car in a long time. The small print was, this included a $1000 holiday bonus for Hyundai owners. I also saw good deals in the same paper on Fusions, Altimas, and Camrys. End of year is a good time to buy a new car!
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