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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    the engines on those were jewels. Just the trannies weak. I sold my TL at 175k, and it did pretty much run like new. Had other age related issues though, but I could easily see that motor, with regular service, going 250-300K.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    edited June 2016
    brian125 said:

    300k plus miles probably will need 3 to 4 full front end replacements at that mark. Chrysler and American vehicles will fear even worse.

    Strange. Seems to be a broad statement that some vehicles will fare even worse. I put 2nd replacement struts on my leSabre at 180K miles. Replaced tie rod ends (outer). Far from full front end replacements. Was just looking at a Civic my shadetree neighbor works on and he is replacing struts on it. And it's lost much of its clearcoat paint. It's a few years old, but it's rare to see a car with bad paint here in the Midwest unless it's very old.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    Kid down the street has a 2006-2010 vintage civic (dark blue) and it has major peeling issues on the roof.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    ...and apparently counting down on the air bag - just kidding
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Happy 40th birthday to the Accord! Makes me feel old. :) I remember the original hatchback with 68 horsepower. The first Accord I really wanted was the original Coupe. I remember there were long waiting lists for those. I had a Civic Si at the time so I didn't get one, and still haven't owned an Accord. Now it's too big for my needs, and my wife has moved on from sedans to the higher seating position of an SUV. So there's probably no Accord in my foreseeable future.
  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,579
    backy said:

    Happy 40th birthday to the Accord! Makes me feel old. :) I remember the original hatchback with 68 horsepower. The first Accord I really wanted was the original Coupe. I remember there were long waiting lists for those. I had a Civic Si at the time so I didn't get one, and still haven't owned an Accord. Now it's too big for my needs, and my wife has moved on from sedans to the higher seating position of an SUV. So there's probably no Accord in my foreseeable future.

    Time sure does fly! When dad was buying their '76 Cutlass Supreme wagon, the dealer also sold Hondas. There in the showroom was a tan/copper color Accord hatchback, 5 speed. It listed for $3995, a/c was about $500 more.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    Sales in June for midsize/fullsize:

    Camry 32,561

    Altima 30,475

    Accord 28,806

    Fusion 26,520

    Malibu 16,138

    Sonata 11,854

    Optima 9,180

    200 7,817

    Passat 5,992

    Legacy 5,023

    6 4,224
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    Sales in June for compact/midsize:

    Civic 31,810

    Corolla 30,950

    Elantra 22,414

    Sentra 20,721

    Focus 19,491

    Cruze 18,666

    Forte 9,170

    Jetta 8,616

    3 8,399

    Impreza 4,994

    Dart 3,305
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    stickguy said:

    ....The civic just seems to be a nice package. I have priced them out, and they did not seem all that cheap to me.

    Honda has moved the Civic upmarket. It is now best-in-class (or close to it) in most areas, such as room, power, mpg, style, features, etc. And the 2016 Civic is also now roughly the size of an Accord from the mid-1990s. The "cheap" cars in this segment are the Focus, Elantra, Cruze, Jetta, Sentra, etc. But you can still get a base Civic LX 6-speed manual for less than $19k.

    There's only one big drawback to the new Civic as far as I can tell—poor rear visibility.

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,280
    edited July 2016
    benjaminh said:


    There's only one big drawback to the new Civic as far as I can tell—poor rear visibility.


    You left out looking like a shrunken Crosstour. And the ugly misproportioned rear end. But they are selling like crazy, I see them everywhere.

    The more I see and look into pricing on the new-design Cruze, the more I like it.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    All cars now have terrible rear visibility. Just the trend.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    stickguy said:

    All cars now have terrible rear visibility. Just the trend.

    You're right that it's a trend, but some cars still have good rear visibility. The Accord still has excellent visibility all round. All BMWs, of course.

    In the compact/midsize class, I think the Cruze, Corolla, and Elantra have better rear visibility than the Civic.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Does anyone else see what I think is a trend--that the so-called "compacts" are stealing sales from their mid-sized stablemates? e.g. Civic from Accord, Corolla from Camry, Elantra from Sonata? Note the sales of these compacts are close to or even exceeding the mid-sized sales from the same brands, and the mid-sized sales are way down from levels of even a year or so ago. I think many compacts have plenty of room for many singles, couples, and small families. The rear seats of the Jetta and Corolla are particularly roomy, and the Jetta for one has a huge trunk. And there's price--some of the compacts can be had for less than $16k for base models, which aren't stripped cars as they were a few years ago.

    Then there's the trend towards SUVs in this time of ~$2 a gallon gas, which is also eating into mid-sized sedan sales. The fact that many of the current mid-sizers can average over 30 mpg isn't as important to some people as it once was.
  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,579
    backy said:

    Does anyone else see what I think is a trend--that the so-called "compacts" are stealing sales from their mid-sized stablemates? e.g. Civic from Accord, Corolla from Camry, Elantra from Sonata? Note the sales of these compacts are close to or even exceeding the mid-sized sales from the same brands, and the mid-sized sales are way down from levels of even a year or so ago. I think many compacts have plenty of room for many singles, couples, and small families. The rear seats of the Jetta and Corolla are particularly roomy, and the Jetta for one has a huge trunk. And there's price--some of the compacts can be had for less than $16k for base models, which aren't stripped cars as they were a few years ago.

    Then there's the trend towards SUVs in this time of ~$2 a gallon gas, which is also eating into mid-sized sedan sales. The fact that many of the current mid-sizers can average over 30 mpg isn't as important to some people as it once was.

    I do believe the Civic is stealing potential Accord sales. You can get a loaded Civic that lists for around $27.5k, that is almost as equipped as an Accord EXL with Sensing and Nav. The Touring Civic out accelerates and gets better mpg than the Accord 2.4. I could easily see considering a Civic 1.5 EXL, EXL Nav or Touring when I purchase my next car.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,068
    I certainly feel that way. The Accord finally just seemed too big for our liking, so next time around we will be buying a compact car.
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,280
    Well, the compacts are getting bigger, like the 9/10ths-Crosstour Civic, and the Elantra. The Corolla at least is still a true compact. I know based on my tour of the local dealer lots last week that if I was deciding between a Malibu or a Cruze, I'd take the Cruze. It just seems to look better even though the designs are similar.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,579
    ab348 said:

    Well, the compacts are getting bigger, like the 9/10ths-Crosstour Civic, and the Elantra. The Corolla at least is still a true compact. I know based on my tour of the local dealer lots last week that if I was deciding between a Malibu or a Cruze, I'd take the Cruze. It just seems to look better even though the designs are similar.

    I followed a dark midnight blue ATS 2.0T yesterday. That color really looked sharp on the ATS and accented the fin tail lights beautifully. If the back seat was not so small, the ATS would be on my next list. However, my parents and daughter often ride with me and the smaller ATS would make it difficult (my parents) to get in and out.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,280
    Yes, that is Dark Adriatic Blue and it is a gorgeous color. I agree though, it is really a 2 adults + 2 kids car (or 3 adults+1 kid if the adult in the front seat is not too tall).

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    The ATS has a 4-door option right? Guess how hard it is for an adult to get in and out of the TTS' back seat. I use the "throw my body" into the seat method for getting in, and two arms and two legs method for getting out; and that's the driver's seat. Good thing I'm not so old my back is bothering me (knock on wood).
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,280
    andres3 said:

    The ATS has a 4-door option right?

    Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It is tight although not as bad as the TTS obviously, which I didn't even know had a rear seat.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited July 2016
    ab348 said:

    andres3 said:

    The ATS has a 4-door option right?

    Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It is tight although not as bad as the TTS obviously, which I didn't even know had a rear seat.
    Yes, unlike the Cayman with no rear seat, the TTS has one; it's a 2 + 2 car theoretically, not recommended for anyone over 5' tall though, and only then if the person in front isn't too much over 5' themselves. My 5'10 & 5'6 parents were a tight fit, but doable for the fun of it; definitely not for a very long trip though.

    Only someone without legs would fit behind my 6'3" frame and driver's seat.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,341
    stopped at the new local audi palace tonight (my wife, was so thrilled) just to browse, and test fit. But outside they had an Andre mobile (gray over red TTS). quite sharp looking, but too small for us.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,325
    At 175" long, I really don't want anything larger than my 2 Series.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,579
    edited July 2016
    I got the stink eye and verbal "You aren't trading my car" from my wife when I told her I was going to look at the CX-9. I looked at the Grand Touring, they didn't have a Signature model. Mazda did a great job on this vehicle. The salesman asked if I would like to drive it, of course I would, but declined. It would be cruel tempatation. One thing I noticed is that the cargo, and third row is a lot smaller than the Pilot's. They had a sharp Mazda 6 in the showroom with white leather. It looked really rich.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,491
    @sda - that was my biggest attraction to the Pilot was the cargo space and the usable 3rd row. Did you ever have a problem when your Pilot goes into 3cylinder mode?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,579
    nyccarguy said:

    @sda - that was my biggest attraction to the Pilot was the cargo space and the usable 3rd row. Did you ever have a problem when your Pilot goes into 3cylinder mode?

    When the ECO light comes on it sometimes feels like the engine is lugging, vibrates a little and puts out a subtle rumbling sound. It doesn't bother me that much but would prefer that it didn't operate that way. Last January we had a TSB addressed that was ECO/VCM related. My wife was driving to work when the check engine light and I think the TCS light came on. She noticed that the ECO light no longer came on when she was familiar with it doing so and it was running somewhat roughly. Turns out one of the plugs had fouled. Honda did some type of computer update, replaced 4 spark plugs that are affected by the VCM. I had them replace the other 2 spark plugs ($140!, really?), so at 83k all plugs have been replaced. It has just under 90k now, and all is well.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    Think I've gotten spoiled with my 167.5" Golf, even the wife's A3 seems big when compared to it! Doubt we'll ever go back to anything much over 170" or so as the kids are all grown and gone. It's usually only the two of us when we go out and then we solo on our working days. Will probably go down to one vehicle eventually but that will have to be done with much advanced notice about appointments as the public transport is horrible down here.
    Will be interesting to see what fits our size parameters the next time we're in the market but don't see that happening till at least 2020 at this juncture.

    The Sandman :)B)

    2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,068
    Yes, we like the 168" Encore too. The Mazda3 we are looking at is a whopping 175".
    '24 Kia Sportage PHEV
    '24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited July 2016
    ab348 said:

    Well, the compacts are getting bigger, like the 9/10ths-Crosstour Civic, and the Elantra. The Corolla at least is still a true compact. ...

    Have you looked at the current Corolla? It's gotten bigger! The rear seat is humongous--roomier than some true mid-sized sedans. Trunk isn't too shabby in size either. And the FE is great--I'm driving a rental Corolla this week and got 44 mpg on a 200 mile trek from the airport to our destination, much of that at 70+ mph. Driving another 300 miles around town during the week has dropped the mpg to 40, but still very good overall. The CVT sucks for performance, but it keeps the RPMs low when cruising. I think it could replace a true mid-sized car for many people. Problem is, besides the sluggish CVT, it seems tinny and cheaply built. It only has 25k miles on it and it has several squeaks/rattles. I know it's a rental car, but I've driven many rentals with more miles and they were still tight. That's one of the benefits of buying a base mid-sized car like the Accord LX--it's a car designed to sell for up to ~$35k in high-trim form, thus the quality must satisfy people who shell out that much money. But a compact like the Corolla is designed to sell in base form for as low as ~$15k and still make a profit, so there has to be some cost-cutting someplace.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    Just traded in my 2008 Accord EXL navi for a 2016 Accord EX with AdroidAuto. Love it so far.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Nice to see Android and Apple Play appearing on affordable cars. Congrats, nice car.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    Couple of pix....





    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited July 2016
    BEN

    Looks sharp enjoy it. Put a couple of coats of wax on it. keep that white finish shinning

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,266
    Very nice!  I think the EX is the best value of the Accords.  I just don't like leather seats in the heat of Texas.  
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think Honda has improved the looks of the Accord and it reflects in that white color. Leather seats - I remember years back hopping into a friend's big Mercury convertible, top down with "white" leather seats in Charleston, SC one summer afternoon. I was wearing cutoffs and yep, gave myself a nice burn welt :'(
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    It happens that this is the 40th anniversary of the Accord. Good story and video about that below:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/30/honda-accord-40-anniversay-birthday/

    Glad to have a car made in the USA in Ohio. This is the 4th Accord my family has owned that was built at Marysville. The first three have been great, and I'm expecting the same from this one....So far it seems like the best one yet.

    My wife has a 2013 Accord, and so I figured that this one—aside from the styling—would be close to identical. They are similar, but there are some noticeable differences.

    First, the handling with my 2016 Accord seems better than on the 2013. By better I mean slightly firmer and with less body roll and no tire squeal when taking turns with just a little bit of speed. It's definitely better than my 2008 Accord, which could almost "wallow" a little when pushed a bit. The 2016 Accord is a little closer to being a sports sedan, I think. Here's what Honda has said about the improvements in the suspension for 2016:

    "All 2016 Accords apply higher performance dampers and new compliance bushings. All models get new front and rear high performance dampers designed to offer increased response especially in the initial stage of body movement. Development work has centered on reduced internal friction and increased linearity, resulting in the redesign of the oil channel aiding both ride comfort and handling precision.....The struts are specially tuned for the ideal blend of comfort and handling. Innovative features include efficient hydraulic valves and seals, a low-friction Teflon® internal bushing, optimized oil specifications, and a special rebound damper spring that dramatically reduces body roll while turning. The Accord Sport, EX, EX-L and Touring Sedan, and the EX and EX-L Coupe all feature a front strut-tower connecting bar that further improves handling response. For 2016 models, a more ridged strut tower bar contributes to overall body stiffness and dynamic handling response."

    http://hondanews.com/releases/2016-honda-accord-press-kit-chassis

    I know that's press release stuff, but to me there does feel like there's something behind it. This car is a bit more fun to drive than the other Accords I've owned.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    A second improvement over my wife's 2013 Accord is the aluminum hood. It's much lighter! Not that it's so hard to lift a regular hood, but this one feels like it weighs half as much as the ones on previous Accords.

    Does any other midsize sedan have an aluminum hood?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    "The U.S.-built Camry, the country's best-selling car, is slated to get an aluminum hood in 2018, according to a source familiar with the plans."

    But as of now is the Accord the only midsize car with aluminum?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,280
    benjaminh said:

    "The U.S.-built Camry, the country's best-selling car, is slated to get an aluminum hood in 2018, according to a source familiar with the plans."

    But as of now is the Accord the only midsize car with aluminum?

    Pretty sure both the Fusion and Malibu use aluminum hoods.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218
    Was in a friends new 2016 Subaru Legacy last night...very very nice vehicle. Leather seats and all the tech goodies Subaru is known for. Got silver over black which is kinda boring, much prefer the blue color they have. They're leasing again which is great for the dealer as it'll have low miles when turned in going by the 2013 CrossTracX he just turned in. Had about 29 and change on it so the selling dealer gets back a nice clean used car that they can probably CPO and get more from the second owner.

    The Sandman :)B)

    2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    S4's have had aluminum hoods for a long time.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,579
    andres3 said:

    S4's have had aluminum hoods for a long time.

    My '96 Mazda Millenia that I leased for 24 months had an aluminum hood. Little did I know Mazda did some decontenting and the '98 Millenia that I purchased had a heavier steel hood. It was a surprise when I opened the hood for the first time and almost dropped it not anticipating it to be so heavy. Cost savings, that's it!

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    benjaminh said:

    A second improvement over my wife's 2013 Accord is the aluminum hood. It's much lighter! Not that it's so hard to lift a regular hood, but this one feels like it weighs half as much as the ones on previous Accords.

    Does any other midsize sedan have an aluminum hood?

    My '14 Malibu's hood is aluminum. My 2003 leSabre's hood was aluminum.
    Don't think Accord's got anything new there. B) Probably a little late to the party.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited July 2016
    The auto repair shops are loving these newer vehicles aluminum hoods, plastic bumpers front and back. Years ago you hit something doing 30mph you had a dent. Now its 3k worth of damage.

    When I first bought my Genesis had it 3 weeks I parked in a lot at night that had a concrete stop barrier that separated the lanes. I Must of pulled to far over it and it had a metal rebar sticking up that caught the bumper when I was backing out. It ripped the bumper off half way and tore up the plastic underneath. The new Plastic under piece I ordered from Hyundai was over $300 not to mention the scratched bumper and broken bumper clips. The front of my vehicle would crumble in a frontal. Scary

    23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    Top reasons I like my new 2016 Accord EX....

    1. AndroidAuto/AppleCarplay. Wow. The google maps navi on the dash works much better than the built-in navi on my 2008 or even on my wife's 2013. Communicating with it is a breeze: "Find Indian restaurant," "Displaying local Indian restaurants" along with their ratings, and one touch to direct you there or call them.

    2. Remote start. Cools your car off in summer, or warms it up and defrosts it in Winter while you're inside having your last cup of coffee and brushing your teeth.

    3. 39 mpg on our first highway trip. Beat the EPA hwy estimate on the first tank.

    4. Aluminum hood. Makes it easier to put in washer fluid, check the oil, etc.

    5. LED daytime running lights, fog lights, and tail lights.

    6. Next generation XM that let's you "rewind" and "fast forward," as well as combine stations on your presets (for instance you can combine 60s on 6 and 70s on 7 to get songs from both stations mixed together).

    7. Cloth seats. Honestly I like these better than leather in our hot climate. They are cooler in hot weather and warmer in cold weather. Nice quality fabric on the EX. Sill have a power driver's seat with power lumbar support.

    8. HD FM radio. Better reception and no static. Works great.

    9. HondaLink. Kinda like GM's ONstar, except it's free. If, god forbid, your airbags deploy, it calls the closest emergency services automatically.

    10. Honda Lanewatch. Color camera on the right side of your car helps you see what's back there, including if there's a bike approaching, etc.

    11. Better handling than any Accord I've previously owned, and I've owned a 2002, a 2008, and my wife has a 2013.

    12. Has all sorts of other stuff, like moonroof, pushbutton start, dual zone climate control, 60/40 split fold down rear seat, sunglasses holder, built-in programmable garage door opener, multiview rear camera, etc. Plus Honda quality, reliability, and durability.

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    So what are the things you don't like as much?
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Member Posts: 6,545
    edited July 2016
    berri said:

    So what are the things you don't like as much?

    Well, the rather baroque alloy wheels on the EX/EXL take some getting used to. They are directional and have blacked out areas, and so they remind me a bit of a pinwheel. Honestly, they just seem a bit odd, like they are trying too hard. Bling gone overboard?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2024 Subaru Outback (wife's), 2018 Honda CR-V EX (offspring)
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    brian125 said:

    The auto repair shops are loving these newer vehicles aluminum hoods, plastic bumpers front and back. Years ago you hit something doing 30mph you had a dent. Now its 3k worth of damage.

    When I first bought my Genesis had it 3 weeks I parked in a lot at night that had a concrete stop barrier that separated the lanes. I Must of pulled to far over it and it had a metal rebar sticking up that caught the bumper when I was backing out. It ripped the bumper off half way and tore up the plastic underneath. The new Plastic under piece I ordered from Hyundai was over $300 not to mention the scratched bumper and broken bumper clips. The front of my vehicle would crumble in a frontal. Scary

    Lighter weight equals better handling, braking, acceleration, and fuel economy. All positives being designed for in modern cars (although overall, cars have been getting heavier and heavier for a long time until just the last couple of years). Those are attributes to be designed for, I wouldn't' want someone to design a car based on the potential of negligent driving causing damage.

    Also, sometimes maintenance/repair takes a lot of work just to replace a mall part, but sometimes I think that was done in the name of better weight balance.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928

    benjaminh said:

    A second improvement over my wife's 2013 Accord is the aluminum hood. It's much lighter! Not that it's so hard to lift a regular hood, but this one feels like it weighs half as much as the ones on previous Accords.

    Does any other midsize sedan have an aluminum hood?

    My '14 Malibu's hood is aluminum. My 2003 leSabre's hood was aluminum.
    Don't think Accord's got anything new there. B) Probably a little late to the party.
    To be fair, Buick is/was supposed to be upscale, whereas Honda is for mere peasants. As for the Malibu having aluminum for at least the last 2 years, that's a good sign of some positive change at GM.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
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