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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,591

    I could possibly be talked into an X3 M40i or X3 M Competition, but I still prefer a smaller coupe that can beat most challengers at the Stoplight Grand Prix.

    Do you mean challengers in general or Dodge Challengers? :p;)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,576
    edited November 1
    nyccarguy said:

    @cski

    It has a new engine

    You need to go into further detail. Did you experience any symptoms?

    I have...see next couple of posts. It was metal in the oil pan....so to all kia owners..if your car sounds like grinding metal for 1 to 3 seconds during startup..it is because the "free oil change" oil is GARBAGE, along with the filter. That grinding noise is your pistons shaving the cylinder wall before enough oil pressure has built up to prevent it.
    I now ONLY use Mobile 1, a synthetic only filter, and a friction modifier added to the oil in order to permanently coat all the parts...oil pressure or not.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,576
    cski said:

    benjaminh said:

    The most luxurious car I ever owned was a 1988 Oldsmobile 98, which we bought when it was ten years old. It was pretty much a one-owner car (the original owner had passed it on to his daughter, who was in med school) and it was in very good condition. Outside it looked a lot like this one below, while inside it looked like the image below too—except in blue. Yes, it was the Cadillac of Oldsmobiles, and really close to that in terms of luxury. The fabrics for those couch-like seats were actually as soft and comfortable as they looked. I'm ashamed to say it, but I actually liked touching that upholstery. For the 1985 model year, the Olds 98 was massively downsized on the outside, and lost c.900 lbs of weight, but interior room was similar to the barge-like 1984 model. My 1988 Olds 98 was still a big car, especially compared to a 1988 Accord. But now that my wife and I are considering maybe someday getting a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid, which seems kinda big, I realized with a shock that in fact it's about the same size as a 1988 Olds 98....




    Hey Ben, these cars were everywhere back in the day. My wifes Best Friend had the 89 Buick Electra, with the standard 3.8 liter V6, transverse front drive. It had the red "Rich Corinthian Vinyl" interior. The only problem with some of those cars were the ceramic timing chain sprocket, and therefore timing chain failure.
    Hey Ben....my wifes BFF had a LeSabre, not an Electra, and it was white with either Blue or red velour cloth interior. 3 8 liter and the only prob it ever had was the ceramic timing chain sprocket. Couldnt Buick have used ceramic on less likely components to fail???

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 9,290
    Ford did that BS on the 302 as well. They would wear, them jump a few teeth and the car would run like crap.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,576
    edited November 7
    tjc78 said:

    Ford did that BS on the 302 as well. They would wear, them jump a few teeth and the car would run like crap.

    Oh geez I had a 79 Mustang with a 302 2 barrel in hi school. It had all of 125hp, and it developed a bad heater core, and had so many vacuum leaks that I couldnt track them all. So...my father knew the Boss at the Lorton Prison Auotmotive Training facility. He took my car there and it came back with the A/C fixed, heater core replaced, all the vacuum leaks fixed. Then, a 4 barrel intake and a 650 cfm 4 barrel carb appeared under the new chrome air filter cover. Then...these guys added Cragers with Pirrelli's. The icing on the cake was Shelby sized dual black stripes added to my blood red paint and the paint was cut (compounded) and refurbished. All of it cost my father only $800 for the rims and tires. Having been back to riding the school bus after my first car exploded (80 Fiat Strada. Looked like a Yugo, and NOTHING worked on it (except the engine). The engine oil leaked out after a Jiffy Lube cross threaded my filter. I was crushed.
    So, knowing this....My father asked me to come with him to do some chores for one of his friends at a horse farm. I was hired and got to work right away. That's when he gave the nod and the barn door rolled open. He dropped the keys in my hands and it was like OVERHAULIN....It was the nicest thing my dad ever did for me. Then he said: Now your a man; and employed here after school 3 days a week and on weekends. Half your paycheck comes to me until $1000 is paid. $800 for the repairs and your 1st months rent of $100 and $100 deposit.
    I learned a valuable life lesson and my love of cars exploded, and shoveling manure and bailing hay became very much less so. It was hard, hot, dirty work that first summer after my senior year. I will always love him and cherished what he did for me.
    I paid him every penny.....and after that I got a new job as a line cook. It was EASY compared to 103° days throwing bails of hay in a rolling truck. UGHH.
    Good true story though.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,576
    edited November 7
    benjaminh said:

    Engine failure? That seems very strange these days.

    But it makes me glad I own an Acura.

    I had to wait almost 5 months for my engine.Kia as alone had to replace 93,000+ engines. Most people think its the 2.0 l turbo motor...but it isnt the same recall. All 93,000 were 2.4 liter units from 11-13. New engine now has 2000 miles on it. I run only Mobile 1 and a highly rated friction modifier to make SURE it does not have that valve noise and the brief piston scrape noise the old engine had when NEW. I am happy to report more horsepower and even tire chirps from 1st to 2nd shift under not floored...but "brisk" acceleration. The suspension continues to confound me. I just cant feel what it's doing under there. Then I saw that Kumho non-SR rated tires were installed instead of the OEM Nexen SR rated tires with a much more aggressive tread pattern and far less leaning side to side. I want my NEXEN's back. Cheap but good tires.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,576
    WHERE DID EVERYONE GO OH OH OH (echoes)
    There were hundreds and hundreds of people posting here...I guess everyone else moved on to bigger (SUV's) and better (Audi S3) and pretty much anything is better than my sexy Korean Turdmobile. In Korean I am sure "Turd" means "beautiful and fancy" Why was that was never a successful car name here I will never know.
    So, just an update. I am getting my Mobile 1 oil changed, and asked my shop about Liqui Molly Ceratec and got the nod from the head mechanic. He said "works" good to coat engine... use one time every 4 oil changes. No more or plugs can foul.
    Great. Solve one problem, create another.
    Why have I not sold it? Because the interior cheapness on Dodge Charger V8's (even the 485 hp one) make me wanna vomit. Grey, grey, and more grey. The A/C control knobs bend when lightly squeezed, and no matter how much power it makes, you have to look at the interior. I would rather go slower and have good quality parts that fit.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,114
    cski said:

    WHERE DID EVERYONE GO OH OH OH (echoes)
    There were hundreds and hundreds of people posting here...I guess everyone else moved on to bigger (SUV's) and better (Audi S3) and pretty much anything is better than my sexy Korean Turdmobile. In Korean I am sure "Turd" means "beautiful and fancy" Why was that was never a successful car name here I will never know.
    So, just an update. I am getting my Mobile 1 oil changed, and asked my shop about Liqui Molly Ceratec and got the nod from the head mechanic. He said "works" good to coat engine... use one time every 4 oil changes. No more or plugs can foul.
    Great. Solve one problem, create another.
    Why have I not sold it? Because the interior cheapness on Dodge Charger V8's (even the 485 hp one) make me wanna vomit. Grey, grey, and more grey. The A/C control knobs bend when lightly squeezed, and no matter how much power it makes, you have to look at the interior. I would rather go slower and have good quality parts that fit.

    You can go faster with a quality interior at Audi. Also, their drive trains are very stout.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD
  • enf10582enf10582 Posts: 6
    edited November 19
    I have the following offers from Dealers on various Sedans. I am somewhat indifferent, but prefer the Accord, all things being equal.

    2019 Honda Accord EX $24,300
    2019 Hyundai Sonata Limited $21,700
    2019 Kia Optima EX $21,000
    2019 Ford Fusion SEL $21,500

    What are your thoughts on the best car to purchase> I know that the Kia, Hyundai and Ford appear to be great values but am worried about resale, ect.
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 2,954
    enf10582 said:

    I have the following offers from Dealers on various Sedans. I am somewhat indifferent, but prefer the Accord, all things being equal.

    2019 Honda Accord EX $24,300
    2019 Hyundai Sonata Limited $21,700
    2019 Kia Optima EX $21,000
    2019 Ford Focus SEL $21,500

    What are your thoughts on the best car to purchase> I know that the Kia, Hyundai and Ford appear to be great values but am worried about resale, ect.

    For resale and overall satisfaction it's hard to beat the Accord. The Sonata and Optima are nice. I'd skip the Focus but would consider a Fusion with the 2.0 eco.

    2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2013 Honda Accord EX, 2006 Acura TL w/nav

  • I meant Fusion, not Focus. I drive 12,000-15,000 miles per year and keep the cars for 6-8 years. I am having a hard time paying $3,000 more for an Accord with less features. The Fusion, Optima and Sonata all have leather seats.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,296
    The accord costs enough more you aren’t likely to recoup that down the road.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 9,290
    edited November 19
    I have to say out of the four, I'd go with the Sonata. Great warranty, good price and like @stickguy said cheaper enough now to offset the lower resale.

    The Fusion is a generation behind the others but still a nice ride too.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,296
    Definitely the sonata or Kia. 8 years a 12k/, and you will still have warranty (powertrain) coverage at the end.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 11,114
    enf10582 said:

    I have the following offers from Dealers on various Sedans. I am somewhat indifferent, but prefer the Accord, all things being equal.

    2019 Honda Accord EX $24,300
    2019 Hyundai Sonata Limited $21,700
    2019 Kia Optima EX $21,000
    2019 Ford Fusion SEL $21,500

    What are your thoughts on the best car to purchase> I know that the Kia, Hyundai and Ford appear to be great values but am worried about resale, ect.

    Things are not equal, so you have to ask yourself what do you value the Accord's superiority if not $3K?

    Offer $22,000, and if they don't accept, maybe they will counter at an offer still below your "value" threshold?

    The value depends on what you like better, and how much that is "worth" it to you.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion AWD
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,576
    edited December 4
    sda said:

    enf10582 said:

    I have the following offers from Dealers on various Sedans. I am somewhat indifferent, but prefer the Accord, all things being equal.

    2019 Honda Accord EX $24,300
    2019 Hyundai Sonata Limited $21,700
    2019 Kia Optima EX $21,000
    2019 Ford Focus SEL $21,500

    What are your thoughts on the best car to purchase> I know that the Kia, Hyundai and Ford appear to be great values but am worried about resale, ect.

    For resale and overall satisfaction it's hard to beat the Accord. The Sonata and Optima are nice. I'd skip the Focus but would consider a Fusion with the 2.0 eco.
    My thoughts are based on how you use your car. I went on a hunt back in December 2011, and my car was wrapped up from shipping from Georgia USA to the dealer. I was only there to take my moms 2010 Forte in for an oil change. When they unwrapped my car and I found it was an EX and had already read good reviews from many magazines. Car and Driver had just rated my cars older sister, the Hyundai Sonata, Car of the Year.
    Ok so I bought one. Sticker: 24,260
    Paid: 22,500 for an EX in Spicy Red.
    What was hot 2 me was the look and stance of the car. The Sonata was a . But the Optima has STYLE that endures. The 2011-13 Sonata and Optimas, which are still seen all on the road, usually with 17" alloys, real leather everywhere, even dual exhaust, polished fake wood that is so subtle I didnt notice it until a week later... not one piece of fake chrome. It, with it's real aluminum trim, surpassed all of my quality expectations, and my 22k price included the 1,000 Gold (no co-pay) Kia extended warranty. So. I still have my car, because every other car except the German cars and the the Honda Accord are a bit of a let down. In engine power, no naturally aspirated car in my class had over 185 in 2011.The Accord, Fusion, and Mazda 6 were not for sale yet.

    with a new K&N high flow drop in filter with STOCK, REAL, cold air intake, 94 octane fuel, Mobile 1 oil and filter. And....Liqui Molly ceratec friction modifier which I got for $23.00 online, guaranteed to work and made in Germany. BMW uses a version of it in F1 engines.
    So. I have 2100 miles on my new engine (replaced under warranty and Enterprise picked an Altima SV for 5 months.)
    So if you had bought s 3 year 36k warranty Honda, a new engine was $5000 plus $750 to install it, and $1200 in just the car rental.
    So:
    1) if you like driving a paid for, stylish car that has 4 years and 40,000 extended warranty AFTER it is paid off, which covers EVERYTHING to 100k, then look no further than Sonata and the Optima.

    2) if you want a nice, comparable car to mine, an Accord is always number 1 or 2 on every "top ten mid size sedan" lists all over the internet. However, if there was a blown motor....I hope you have $5,000
    available after the paltry 3yr 36k wardant
    cski said:

    benjaminh said:

    Engine failure? That seems very strange these days.

    But it makes me glad I own an Acura.

    An Acura is on a different class. 4 door entry level luxury sedan...but hell all these 4 door cars have almost the same stuff ..except price. ANYWAY.....
    I had to wait almost 5 months for my engine.Kia as alone had to replace 93,000+ engines. Most people think its the 2.0 l turbo motor...but it isnt the same recall. All 93,000 were 2.4 liter units from 11-13. New engine now has 2000 miles on it. I run only Mobile 1 and a highly rated friction modifier to make SURE it does not have that valve noise and the brief piston scrape noise the old engine had when NEW. I am happy to report more horsepower and even tire chirps from 1st to 2nd shift under not floored...but "brisk" acceleration. The suspension continues to confound me. I just cant feel what it's doing under there. Then I saw that Kumho non-SR rated tires were installed instead of the OEM Nexen SR rated tires with a much more aggressive tread pattern and far less leaning side to side. I want my NEXEN's back. Cheap but good tires.
    It makes me glad I had a Warranty and it was recalled. My Altima was delivered for a 5 month rental as there were waiting lists for new engines. I have 2 yrs/30k more warranty in order to enjoy my new engine, and to never get the free oil changes ever again. Mobile 1 oil and filter. A scientifically proven 300ml of Ceratec friction reduction ok n coater
    andres3 said:

    cski said:

    WHERE DID EVERYONE GO OH OH OH (echoes)
    There were hundreds and hundreds of people posting here...I guess everyone else moved on to bigger (SUV's) and better (Audi S3) and pretty much anything is better than my sexy Korean Turdmobile. In Korean I am sure "Turd" means "beautiful and fancy" Why was that was never a successful car name here I will never know.
    So, just an update. I am getting my Mobile 1 oil changed, and asked my shop about Liqui Molly Ceratec and got the nod from the head mechanic. He said "works" good to coat engine... use one time every 4 oil changes. No more or plugs can foul.
    Great. Solve one problem, create another.
    Why have I not sold it? Because the interior cheapness on Dodge Charger V8's (even the 485 hp one) make me wanna vomit. Grey, grey, and more grey. The A/C control knobs bend when lightly squeezed, and no matter how much power it makes, you have to look at the interior. I would rather go slower and have good quality parts that fit.

    You can go faster with a quality interior at Audi. Also, their drive trains are very stout.
    It would be my first choice except their maintenance and parts are substantially more $$$. Power window motor $379. My car? $79.99 new

    I would love an S3. But I think I would be just as happy with a GTI hatch or Sedan. If it is GTI new with heated seats, plaid interior is not "me" so I would be h add ppy with black suede seats with leather bolsters
    enf10582 said:

    I have the following offers from Dealers on various Sedans. I am somewhat indifferent, but prefer the Accord, all things being equal.

    2019 Honda Accord EX $24,300
    2019 Hyundai Sonata Limited $21,700
    2019 Kia Optima EX $21,000
    2019 Ford Fusion SEL $21,500

    What are your thoughts on the best car to purchase> I know that the Kia, Hyundai and Ford appear to be great values but am worried about resale, ect.

    Resale
    1.Toyota Camry
    2. Honda Accord

    Warranty
    1 and 2 tie (they are the same underneath
    1. Hyundai Sonata (classy)
    2. Kia Optima (the styling department dropped the ball on 2016 + models)

    3) Ford Fusion. I have nothing against it but it is not quite the Aston Martin Jr. Ford wanted. Pretty but 175hp is 25 less than mine....unless you buy the top duratech turbo 2.0 engine. Also, Ford is going to stop making cars in the USA except for the Mustang

    4) If you like rubbery feel; then the Altima SV or SL is the car for you. Everything works "reasonably well". And it is the star at rental fleet cars. Its rubber band transmission I drove one for 5 months, and couldnt WAIT to get mine back. My six speed auto with "Autostick" × and - detects that I can slap my shifter in is no way a manual.....but with traffic mired roads around Wash DC, I just can't justify a manual.....unless it was a German car. Then automated manual is an option, but the pump that handles the SMG gearbox shifts costs $4500 to replace. That is just the part that shifts it, instead of your foot on the clutch in traffic.

    What wouldd I buy today? Mustang 4 cyl 2.3 liter turbo, or certified 5.0 with the larger screen.
    OR
    GTI (or GLI 4 door Jetta or even an Audi S3) OK, I hope I adequately answered all queries

    Ttyl, Chris


    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,591
    My truck went in for it's 5,000 mile "service" which amounts to nothing more than a tire rotation and "fluid top off." I also had to have a 2nd key fob made/programmed. Instead of having my wife pick me up last night and drive me home tomorrow (it is a 45 minute round trip across town & back in rush hour traffic), I decided to rent a car from them for $34 & change for the day. I got a 2019 Camry SE (Black/Grey). I have to say, that I like it. The seats are comfortable & very well bolstered. The ride is composed and there is surprisingly little body roll. The 8 Speed Automatic makes good use of the (buzzy) 4cyl engine's power. It doesn't feel gutless and has acceptable mid-range passing power. Lots of standard "active" safety features including adaptive cruise control which my truck has and I LOVE. Plug the phone into the USB port and Apple Car Play connected right away without even "pairing" my phone. Trip computer said I averaged about 28 mpg on my way in this AM which is a solid 10 mpg more than my V6/Automatic Tacoma.

    Since I'm back on the leasing hamster wheel, I'd consider one of these mid sized sedans as long as the price is right in about 21 months from now.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 34,296
    Thanks Bradd. You just caused Roadburner to have a stroke. :p

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,591
    stickguy said:

    Thanks Bradd. You just caused Roadburner to have a stroke. :p

    He just unfriended me on Face Book

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 137,563
    I was in for service on Monday. My son lost a key fob. They don't have them in stock (?!)

    Going back Friday. $300

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  • thebeanthebean Parts UnknownPosts: 1,137
    @cski, Honda powertrain warranty is 5 yr/60K miles.
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2019 Honda HR-V EX
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 130,190
    nyccarguy said:

    My truck went in for it's 5,000 mile "service" which amounts to nothing more than a tire rotation and "fluid top off." I also had to have a 2nd key fob made/programmed. Instead of having my wife pick me up last night and drive me home tomorrow (it is a 45 minute round trip across town & back in rush hour traffic), I decided to rent a car from them for $34 & change for the day. I got a 2019 Camry SE (Black/Grey). I have to say, that I like it. The seats are comfortable & very well bolstered. The ride is composed and there is surprisingly little body roll. The 8 Speed Automatic makes good use of the (buzzy) 4cyl engine's power. It doesn't feel gutless and has acceptable mid-range passing power. Lots of standard "active" safety features including adaptive cruise control which my truck has and I LOVE. Plug the phone into the USB port and Apple Car Play connected right away without even "pairing" my phone. Trip computer said I averaged about 28 mpg on my way in this AM which is a solid 10 mpg more than my V6/Automatic Tacoma.

    Since I'm back on the leasing hamster wheel, I'd consider one of these mid sized sedans as long as the price is right in about 21 months from now.

    When I was in California in August, I had a Camry SE as a rental, as well. I too thought it was a confident vehicle

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 130,190
    Competent, not confident

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,898
    Looking forward to driving my MKZ tomorrow.
    Haven't driven it in least a week and half due to Thanksgiving trip and bad weather after that.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,591
    If the rental Camry SE drove as well as it did, Id LOVE to take a Mazda 6 for a spin to see what that’s like.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2017 Pilot Touring AWD, 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport 4WD

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