The Malibu and the Aura reflect the arrogance of GM, to some extent.
GM probably thought that the only reason people bought Accords, Camrys, Altimas, etc., is because GM never built a really competitive model. GM just had to match the competition and people would flock to Chevy and Saturn dealerships.
Only problem with that mindset is that many buyers are perfectly happy with their present vehicles, and see no need to switch. They are not sitting around, waiting to see what GM does. It's not the 1960s anymore, when GM could take its sweet time in responding to the four-seat Thunderbird or original Mustang and still grab a major share of that respective segment when it did field an entry.
If customers are going to switch, they need a compelling reason, and the fact that GM has finally managed to field a reasonably competitive model after wandering in the woods for over 25 years is a not a compelling reason. A Chevy as good as a competiting Toyota may be big news in Detroit, or among GM fans, but among car buyers, the likely response is, "What took GM so long?", if not, "So what?".
Also note that the new Malibu carries the baggage of the models that went before it. I've driven a 2000 Malibu, and a 2005 Malibu, and there is no way that I would switch from an Accord to either of those. The new one is better, but I'm not seeing where it is better than the best in this class. A company isn't going to lure satisfied customers away from the competition by merely matching what the competitors have been doing for the past 25 years.
Given that we're satisfied with the Accord, I'm leery of switching, but if I did, it would probably be to the upcoming 2010 Fusion, which has compiled an excellent reliability record and looks better than the Malibu.
As for the CTS - it's a big improvement over the previous generation, and it's a good car, but I'm not seeing where it's BETTER than a BMW 3-Series or Mercedes C-Class. Aside from the styling, there isn't anything that really makes it stand out among its competitors. BMW still has the better driving dynamics for those who really do want the Ultimate Driving Machine, while among the status-conscious, "I drive a BMW" sounds better than "I drive a Cadillac."
My parents bought a brand-new Lucerne, and they are quite happy with it. I've driven it, and the brutal truth is that this car will not appeal to anyone who isn't already a GM loyalist.
With my tax money funding the supposed survival of the Big 2.5, any remaining pangs of guilt I had for buying only German and Japanese cars(and British motorcycles) will be gone completely. That said, I'm still going to hang on to my Jeep TJ; it was such a pure and simple design that even Chrysler workers couldn't screw up building it.
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As for the CTS - it's a big improvement over the previous generation, and it's a good car, but I'm not seeing where it's BETTER than a BMW 3-Series or Mercedes C-Class.
I can immediately see where the CTS is a better car than either of those austere, unreliable, and overpriced cars. Sheesh, a Nissan Altima and some Hyundais have a plusher interior than either those two. The CTS costs less and gives you more features. It is less expensive to service and maintain. The 3-Series and C-Class are purchased, (or should I say leased) by naive junior managers who care more about image than having a serious automobile.
While among the status-conscious, "I drive a BMW" sounds better than "I drive a Cadillac."
Not to me! If somebody tells me "I drive a BMW" he sounds like an arrogant (censored). "I drive a Cadillac" gets my immediate attention and respect, and, if she's a pretty female, my phone number.
Not to me! If somebody tells me "I drive a BMW" he sounds like an arrogant (censored). "I drive a Cadillac" gets my immediate attention and respect, and, if she's a pretty female, my phone number.
Why not bring a CTS to a BMW CCA track event and we'll see which car is superior. We'll even let you run a Caddy with a "cabriolet" roof, gold trim, and a continental kit. Snazzy!
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...all those soon-to-be unemployed UAW members can get jobs in the mighty retail sector!
Circuit City stores... most recent (? how many) Ann Taylor- 117 stores nationwide are to be shuttered Lane Bryant,, Fashion Bug, and Catherine's to close 150 store nationwide Eddie Bauer to close stores 27 stores and more after January Cache will close all stores Talbots closing down all stores J. Jill closing all stores GAP closing 85 stores Footlocker closing 140 stores more to close after January Wickes Furniture closing down Levitz closing down remaining stores Bombay closing remaining stores Zales closing down 82 stores and 105 after January. Whitehall closing all stores Piercing Pagoda closing all stores Disney closing 98 stores and will close more after January. Home Depot closing 15 stores 1 in NJ ( New Brunswick ) Macy's to close 9 stores after January Linens and Things closing all stores Movie Galley Closing all stores Pacific Sunware closing stores Pep Boys Closing 33 stores Sprint/ Nextel closing 133 stores JC Penney closing a number of stores after January Ethan Allen closing down 12 stores. Wilson Leather closing down all stores Sharper Image closing down all stores K B Toys closing 356 stores Loews to close down some stores Dillard's to close some stores.
When are you people going to get this through your heads?
CADILLAC DOES NOT BUILD ANY CARS WITH TACKY GARISH ADD-ON TRASH LIKE CABRIOLET ROOFS, CONTINENTAL KITS OR GOLD TRIM!!!
Maybe not, but their typical customers sure like to dress them up with those types of accessories. And bring that CTS-V on down. Does it have an "Ask Me About My Grandchildren" bumper sticker on it?
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Your 2008 Lancer vs. my 1997 SVT Cobra converitable for pink slips. Your just a punk driving a girls car. Think you can get the title fro your mommy so we can race. I would like to drive the Lancer in our local demo-durby.
lemko: I can immediately see where the CTS is a better car than either of those austere, unreliable, and overpriced cars.
The 3-Series is available in a wider variety of bodystyles, and has an established reputation and pedigree. Plus, the CTS hasn't exactly earned a reputation as the reliability champ, and new ones with the direct-injection engine have an annoying vibration that is designed into the car.
I can understand why people would like the CTS, but the bottom line is that every one I've seen on the road - including the new version - is being driven by someone who looks like a traditional Cadillac customer. Which tells me that it is cannibilizing sales from other GM cars - Cadillacs in particular - rather than conquesting them from other brands. Which, at this point, is what GM desperately needs.
I drove a new 2009 CTS this week and I don't think the CTS will appeal to the traditional Cadillac buyer as the feel of the car is definitely more European than American. It definitely felt different than my DTS and I'm just not talking size. Apparently, I made the right choice by purchasing the DTS as it has the ride to which I am more accustomed in my cars.
The CTS isn't even remotely related to the Cimmaron. The only legacy a 3-Series leaves anybody is a lifetime of debt that will probably be inherited by the deceased owner's children.
Your GDP numbers are inflated because they're made by a UAW member, aren't they?
You obviously didn't watch the video I posted ???? It says right in their that the domestic automobile industry accounts for 4% of our GDP !!!
The bailout is dead. I agree with gagrice on this one. Dead. Done. Cya-Nara. Cya-woudn't want to have ever been ya. Over. And out.
As will either your job or your wages will be cut due to a large amount of respiratory therapist from the midwest without jobs because millions of people have lost their jobs and will bankrupt the hospitals up here and not only that they will be willing to do your job for a meal and a shower !!! The ripple effect will destroy this country economically. You think it's bad now in the U.S. let the Big 3 die and watch what millions of desperate people will do !!! :surprise:
rockylee...is it true that Chev really wants $46,995 for the 2010 Chevy Volt? Please tell me that's an Internet misnomer, man.
I have read it will cost somewhere between $30-$40K but Uncle Sam, is going to give you a $7500 tax break !!! Nobody said state of the art technology was going to be cheap !!! It will get cheaper like anything else as volume goes up and the R&D expenses have been paid for. I would gladly pay $40K with a $7500 tax break to never have to run conventional gasoline in my car again and support the middle east !!!
established and defined the segment. Your reasoning regarding your purchase of a DTS over the CTS speaks volumes about your desire to drive a porky slushmobile rather than a true enthusiasts car.
Nothing wrong with that decision, it's your money. But it says where your at.
The CTS is not a bad offering, finally, but as far as it's intent and mission [marketing, size] it lags in miles behind the 3 series, or even the Audi A4.
rockylee...is it true that Chev really wants $46,995 for the 2010 Chevy Volt? Please tell me that's an Internet misnomer, man.
To Ilovemysephia... Sounds just like the tax credits that were given for the imported Prius, nicht wahr? Are you saying it's okay for import Toyota products, but that it's not okay for real US company products made by US workers?
62' I respect the hell out of you but strongly disagree pal !!! If the Big 3 die so does this country !!!! Some estimates put the ripple effect at as high as 20+ million jobs !!!! A UAW paycheck switches hands like 12 times !!! I'm not just worried about UAW, jobs 62' but I also worry about people like yourself who've busted [non-permissible content removed] for a lot of years and might not get jack crap !!!! :sick: I yes worry about White Collar Jobs !!! I have family and friends who were in lower management at GM, also !!! If GM, collapses a good portion of my family will be absolutely toast because Delphi, will be done also !!! My new job selling Saturn's will be terminated !!! :sick: I went for a drug screen today so it looks like I will be selling Saturns, as soon as next week I assume !!!
I however agree with our standard of living meeting that of others. We will be very vulnerable for an attack by one of our global enemies and we would not have the manufacturing capacity to fight a WWIII, but nobody outside of a few can see that fact !!! If people would go back and research history about WWII instead of putting their suck in front of the boob tube watching Dancing With The Stars, then perhaps these folks that say let em' collapse would have a change of heart !!!! :mad:
"WHAT'S GOOD FOR GENERAL MOTORS, IS GOOD FOR AMERICA"
Let em' die and the great depression will look like a cake walk !!!! :sick:
That was a nice article by Bill Visnic !!! The bottom line and I will keep saying it until I'm blue in the face that UN FREE TRADE and CURRENCY MANIPULATION, are two of the main problems The Big 3 face !!!! The Asians and Europeans, regardless of wether or not they would buy our products have closed the door on american exports with tariffs and trade barriers. The asians (Japan & China) manipulate their currency by 35-40% and that is a huge disadvantage for the Big 3 !!! That is a difference of putting in better quality interior or better motor !!! The asians have received huge tax breaks for building their new plants here in the U.S. because it's cheaper to build the cars here using non-union labor in the south where the cost of living is cheaper and they can get away of giving Vegas 401K retirement package and Medicare/Medicaid health benefits thuis each one of those workers will suck the tax payer for health benefits. The Japanese, left Japan, because us dumb americans would accept their terms and working conditions. If you lose your arm well you are on your own thus good-bye !!! ....Where's that new hire !!! :sick:
You won't find more patriotic people in this country than those who work for the Big 3 from top to bottom and it's not all their fault that our government sold them down the river !!! Our government should of fined Toyota, for hiding their recalls back in the 90's but they did nothing !!! What has our government done about the engine sludge, or the sticking accelerator issue with Lexuses ??? Nothing !!! If GM, did this my gawd the media would be running 24/7 news campaigns bashing UAW members and the Big 3 like they are doing now !!! :sick: :mad:
Remember that U.S. organized labor has up to this time opposed this Treaty and has Pelosi/Reid in their pocket.
I wished organized labor had the politicians you say in their pocket because if that were the case NAFTA, would die and all imports would be tariffed !!!! :mad:
if GM wants people to move from the Accord/Camry, they should start selling Cadillac quality at Malibu prices. That is a compelling reason to switch over. No customer is going to switch over to a barely comparable product.
You call hiding recalls and fixing them during oil changes for $9.99 a better job ??? :confuse: That flawless perception lasted a decade until they got caught !!! :mad:
I would like something for nothing also (Cadillac at Malibu price) However if you ever drove them back to back like I have you would realize just how much nicer the Malibu and Aura, is over the Camcord !!!
Yet rocky and friends have no problem trying to organize Walmart with the possible consequence of pushing them into bankruptcy.
They are the perfect example of AMERICAN GREED, who takes advantage of capitalism !!! I haven't been in a Wal-Mart, since I've moved back to Michigan, thank-god !!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: I hate Wal-Mart, more than any other corporation on the face of this earth because they under cutted everyone and drove down wages for retail workers !!! You saw how anti-union Wal-Mart, was when they went to Canada, and I applaud the Canadians !!!! I pray EFCA, will pass and I might just volunteer my time to unionize the most corrupt corporation in the U.S. called Wal-Mart !!! Sam, is spinning in his grave faster that the wheels on one of those land speed record machines at the Bonneville Salt Flats !!!!
Stude and Packard, were pimples on General Motors, donk thus they didn't have the devistational effect on our economy !!!!
I have had a change of heart, man. I now believe that at least GM should get bailout money and they should get it now. lemko and I discussed this at length earlier today. I recalled my Grandpa's beautiful '68 Buick Skylark and my Mom's huge '68 Buick LeSabre and how they were such great vehicles.
I have experienced a total about face. rockylee, I am swaying away from wanting a Chevy Volt, but haven't totally crossed it off my future new car list for 2010.
An Italian company named Pininfarina has teamed with a French company named Bollore and is putting out a small 4-person, 4-door subcompact called the B0. It will have solar panels on it's roof and in it's front grille that will re-charge it's batteries. It will directly compete with the 2010 Chevy Volt and it will come to U.S. shores in 2010. Now, my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS only has 29,939 miles on it right now. But by then, or maybe early 2011, I am strongly considering buying one of these Pininfarina-Bollore B0's. They won't give me pricing information yet, they will only produce 10,000 cars in 2010 and then as battery production ramps us they'll make 12,000 in 2011. 15,000 in 2012, etc.
An earlier all-electric of Pininfarina-Bollore's called the LeBlue car was retailing for only $23,000. I translated from their brochure that said that the car will cost 15000Euros right now and it comes out to be $23,000USD right now.
What happens currency-wise might change the B0's price by late 2010, but hey, at $23,000-the Barack rebate of $7,500...well, you all do the math.
$15,500 friends! I am going to be all over this new all-electric together with the 2010 Mitsubishi i-MIEV(about $24,000 before the Obama-bate) and yes, Chevrolet's 2010 Volt for...umm...$33,000?
rock...the Volt design looks pretty impressive, though. I have taken a slow look at it and it looks sound as a pretty pound. So, I am really gonna be researching all 3 of them and I will consider the Volt, too.
I want an all-electric and technically the Volt is an all-electric, it just uses the small gas motor inside to fire up the main electrical generator.
The B0 employs the use of high-tech capacitors that are encased in steel inside the car.
I don't think the CTS will appeal to the traditional Cadillac buyer as the feel of the car is definitely more European than American.
Does that mean it is time to let the General die? I see your list of companies that have already bit the bullet. Why not give them all money to keep going? I see no reason to only bail out UAW workers. I think the 9000 Starbucks and 40,000 Citi-bank employees should have equal treatment by Uncle Sam. The truth is we have lived on credit so long that we are now paying the bill.
...all those soon-to-be unemployed UAW members can get jobs in the mighty retail sector!
Circuit City stores... most recent (? how many) Ann Taylor- 117 stores nationwide are to be shuttered Lane Bryant,, Fashion Bug, and Catherine's to close 150 store nationwide Eddie Bauer to close stores 27 stores and more after January Cache will close all stores Talbots closing down all stores J. Jill closing all stores GAP closing 85 stores Footlocker closing 140 stores more to close after January Wickes Furniture closing down Levitz closing down remaining stores Bombay closing remaining stores Zales closing down 82 stores and 105 after January. Whitehall closing all stores Piercing Pagoda closing all stores Disney closing 98 stores and will close more after January. Home Depot closing 15 stores 1 in NJ ( New Brunswick ) Macy's to close 9 stores after January Linens and Things closing all stores Movie Galley Closing all stores Pacific Sunware closing stores Pep Boys Closing 33 stores Sprint/ Nextel closing 133 stores JC Penney closing a number of stores after January Ethan Allen closing down 12 stores. Wilson Leather closing down all stores Sharper Image closing down all stores K B Toys closing 356 stores Loews to close down some stores Dillard's to close some stores.
Oops, maybe not.
"The fundamentals of our economy remain strong" :sick:
Starbucks, is a temporary McJob !!!I'm sure their are some decent paying Citibank jobs but letting companies like K B China Toys, dies isn't a huge loss as in most cases those folks can fill vacant McJobs. The Big 3 offer middle class jobs which due to the pseudo-capitalist free marketing thinking we've lost many of them and if this bailout doesn't get passed we will lose millions of them !!!
The CTS-V, is the fastest 4 door production automobile in the world !!! Lemko, would smoke you like a cheap cigar in one and he wouldn't have to hit a million buttons to do it like a Bimmer !!!
I love the guys who after 1 breakthrough model now view it as the champion of the world. Laughable at best.
Just one ??? I'd be more than happy to compare the portfolio of GM vs. BMW !!!
circlew, no offense but I remember your rah, rah, rah, about how great BMW, is and I will agree they are indeed nice cars BUT they are performance vehicles and offer nothing for a DTS, customer. They don't make a large SUV or a Truck, nor do they make a real 2 door sports car last I knew.... All of their cars are pretty much the same..... If I was looking for the best all-around automobile on the market I would buy a GM, brand named SAAB, aka XWD 9-3....I personally loved the 2008 Turbo X :shades:
Ford and Chrysler, need to be saved also !!! You don't think they have some hot stuff in the pipeline ???
If I could own any car made in 2009' I'd own a MKS AWD !!! those commercials make my heart melt for one every time I see it !!! The AWD would make Michigan's winters a snap !!! :shades:
Sorry, but if the Big 3 die as we know them it will be GREAT for the country in the long run.
The products from a new industry model will undoubtedly finally become competitive and profitable, sans UAW anchoring and eliminating bad products to focus on winners.
You can slice it any way you want but sales will not go up from this level so costs need to compensate ever downward and the number of nameplates cut in half at least.
I already estimated that to pay off 2 million workers that all the experts way will be lost $100,000 each so they can get new jobs would cost $200B.
Assuming not all of those jobs would be lost in a reorganization hosted by new investors for one new auto company, all we need do is count back from there.
I feel more comfortable that way than counting up from the $50B to start.
"...This would be like a head coach of a Super Bowl Team leaving it and taking over the worst team in the NFL with aspiration to build it into a Super Bowl contender"
Why not??? Parcells did it, and almost took the Jets to the Super Bowl the following year.
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GM probably thought that the only reason people bought Accords, Camrys, Altimas, etc., is because GM never built a really competitive model. GM just had to match the competition and people would flock to Chevy and Saturn dealerships.
Only problem with that mindset is that many buyers are perfectly happy with their present vehicles, and see no need to switch. They are not sitting around, waiting to see what GM does. It's not the 1960s anymore, when GM could take its sweet time in responding to the four-seat Thunderbird or original Mustang and still grab a major share of that respective segment when it did field an entry.
If customers are going to switch, they need a compelling reason, and the fact that GM has finally managed to field a reasonably competitive model after wandering in the woods for over 25 years is a not a compelling reason. A Chevy as good as a competiting Toyota may be big news in Detroit, or among GM fans, but among car buyers, the likely response is, "What took GM so long?", if not, "So what?".
Also note that the new Malibu carries the baggage of the models that went before it. I've driven a 2000 Malibu, and a 2005 Malibu, and there is no way that I would switch from an Accord to either of those. The new one is better, but I'm not seeing where it is better than the best in this class. A company isn't going to lure satisfied customers away from the competition by merely matching what the competitors have been doing for the past 25 years.
Given that we're satisfied with the Accord, I'm leery of switching, but if I did, it would probably be to the upcoming 2010 Fusion, which has compiled an excellent reliability record and looks better than the Malibu.
As for the CTS - it's a big improvement over the previous generation, and it's a good car, but I'm not seeing where it's BETTER than a BMW 3-Series or Mercedes C-Class. Aside from the styling, there isn't anything that really makes it stand out among its competitors. BMW still has the better driving dynamics for those who really do want the Ultimate Driving Machine, while among the status-conscious, "I drive a BMW" sounds better than "I drive a Cadillac."
My parents bought a brand-new Lucerne, and they are quite happy with it. I've driven it, and the brutal truth is that this car will not appeal to anyone who isn't already a GM loyalist.
The government would have to pass some sort of law that would allow GM to be reorganized without an actual declaration of bankruptcy.
As for how this is done - I'll have to leave it to minds far more learned than mine. Obama needs to put that Ivy League education to use.
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I can immediately see where the CTS is a better car than either of those austere, unreliable, and overpriced cars. Sheesh, a Nissan Altima and some Hyundais have a plusher interior than either those two. The CTS costs less and gives you more features. It is less expensive to service and maintain. The 3-Series and C-Class are purchased, (or should I say leased) by naive junior managers who care more about image than having a serious automobile.
While among the status-conscious, "I drive a BMW" sounds better than "I drive a Cadillac."
Not to me! If somebody tells me "I drive a BMW" he sounds like an arrogant (censored). "I drive a Cadillac" gets my immediate attention and respect, and, if she's a pretty female, my phone number.
Why not bring a CTS to a BMW CCA track event and we'll see which car is superior. We'll even let you run a Caddy with a "cabriolet" roof, gold trim, and a continental kit.
Snazzy!
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Circuit City stores... most recent (? how many)
Ann Taylor- 117 stores nationwide are to be shuttered
Lane Bryant,, Fashion Bug, and Catherine's to close 150 store nationwide
Eddie Bauer to close stores 27 stores and more after January
Cache will close all stores
Talbots closing down all stores
J. Jill closing all stores
GAP closing 85 stores
Footlocker closing 140 stores more to close after January
Wickes Furniture closing down
Levitz closing down remaining stores
Bombay closing remaining stores
Zales closing down 82 stores and 105 after January.
Whitehall closing all stores
Piercing Pagoda closing all stores
Disney closing 98 stores and will close more after January.
Home Depot closing 15 stores 1 in NJ ( New Brunswick )
Macy's to close 9 stores after January
Linens and Things closing all stores
Movie Galley Closing all stores
Pacific Sunware closing stores
Pep Boys Closing 33 stores
Sprint/ Nextel closing 133 stores
JC Penney closing a number of stores after January
Ethan Allen closing down 12 stores.
Wilson Leather closing down all stores
Sharper Image closing down all stores
K B Toys closing 356 stores
Loews to close down some stores
Dillard's to close some stores.
Oops, maybe not.
CADILLAC DOES NOT BUILD ANY CARS WITH TACKY GARISH ADD-ON TRASH LIKE CABRIOLET ROOFS, CONTINENTAL KITS OR GOLD TRIM!!!
Yes, and I would bring a CTS to a BMW CCA track event, especially if it's a V-Series car!
And blacksmiths as well.
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CADILLAC DOES NOT BUILD ANY CARS WITH TACKY GARISH ADD-ON TRASH LIKE CABRIOLET ROOFS, CONTINENTAL KITS OR GOLD TRIM!!!
Maybe not, but their typical customers sure like to dress them up with those types of accessories.
And bring that CTS-V on down. Does it have an "Ask Me About My Grandchildren" bumper sticker on it?
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Tacky Imports
And, no, I'm not a grandparent nor do I place bumper stickers or tacky accessories on any of my vehicles.
Wish you hadn't posted this. I was drinking coffee when I read it. Now I have to clean my keyboard.
It's great to know that GM will always have at least one customer.
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Nah, there will always be a need for tentmakers...
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I'm serious as cancer, your posts are hilarious
The 3-Series is available in a wider variety of bodystyles, and has an established reputation and pedigree. Plus, the CTS hasn't exactly earned a reputation as the reliability champ, and new ones with the direct-injection engine have an annoying vibration that is designed into the car.
I can understand why people would like the CTS, but the bottom line is that every one I've seen on the road - including the new version - is being driven by someone who looks like a traditional Cadillac customer. Which tells me that it is cannibilizing sales from other GM cars - Cadillacs in particular - rather than conquesting them from other brands. Which, at this point, is what GM desperately needs.
Typically, this is why GM is flat lining. The 3-series has a legacy the CTS has Cimmaron. Big difference. Caddy means not much anymore. Sad but true.
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You obviously didn't watch the video I posted ???? It says right in their that the domestic automobile industry accounts for 4% of our GDP !!!
The bailout is dead. I agree with gagrice on this one. Dead. Done. Cya-Nara. Cya-woudn't want to have ever been ya. Over. And out.
As will either your job or your wages will be cut due to a large amount of respiratory therapist from the midwest without jobs because millions of people have lost their jobs and will bankrupt the hospitals up here and not only that they will be willing to do your job for a meal and a shower !!! The ripple effect will destroy this country economically. You think it's bad now in the U.S. let the Big 3 die and watch what millions of desperate people will do !!! :surprise:
rockylee...is it true that Chev really wants $46,995 for the 2010 Chevy Volt? Please tell me that's an Internet misnomer, man.
I have read it will cost somewhere between $30-$40K but Uncle Sam, is going to give you a $7500 tax break !!! Nobody said state of the art technology was going to be cheap !!! It will get cheaper like anything else as volume goes up and the R&D expenses have been paid for. I would gladly pay $40K with a $7500 tax break to never have to run conventional gasoline in my car again and support the middle east !!!
-Rocky
Nothing wrong with that decision, it's your money. But it says where your at.
The CTS is not a bad offering, finally, but as far as it's intent and mission [marketing, size] it lags in miles behind the 3 series, or even the Audi A4.
rockylee...is it true that Chev really wants $46,995 for the 2010 Chevy Volt? Please tell me that's an Internet misnomer, man.
To Ilovemysephia... Sounds just like the tax credits that were given for the imported Prius, nicht wahr? Are you saying it's okay for import Toyota products, but that it's not okay for real US company products made by US workers?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I however agree with our standard of living meeting that of others. We will be very vulnerable for an attack by one of our global enemies and we would not have the manufacturing capacity to fight a WWIII, but nobody outside of a few can see that fact !!! If people would go back and research history about WWII instead of putting their suck in front of the boob tube watching Dancing With The Stars, then perhaps these folks that say let em' collapse would have a change of heart !!!! :mad:
"WHAT'S GOOD FOR GENERAL MOTORS, IS GOOD FOR AMERICA"
Let em' die and the great depression will look like a cake walk !!!! :sick:
-Rocky
-Rocky
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
We are talking Bankruptcy -> restructuring. Not going out of business. At least that is what I was.
I see things my way, and express it as such.
You won't find more patriotic people in this country than those who work for the Big 3 from top to bottom and it's not all their fault that our government sold them down the river !!! Our government should of fined Toyota, for hiding their recalls back in the 90's but they did nothing !!! What has our government done about the engine sludge, or the sticking accelerator issue with Lexuses ??? Nothing !!! If GM, did this my gawd the media would be running 24/7 news campaigns bashing UAW members and the Big 3 like they are doing now !!! :sick:
-Rocky
I wished organized labor had the politicians you say in their pocket because if that were the case NAFTA, would die and all imports would be tariffed !!!! :mad:
-Rocky
No customer is going to switch over to a barely comparable product.
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
They are the perfect example of AMERICAN GREED, who takes advantage of capitalism !!! I haven't been in a Wal-Mart, since I've moved back to Michigan, thank-god !!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: I hate Wal-Mart, more than any other corporation on the face of this earth because they under cutted everyone and drove down wages for retail workers !!! You saw how anti-union Wal-Mart, was when they went to Canada, and I applaud the Canadians !!!! I pray EFCA, will pass and I might just volunteer my time to unionize the most corrupt corporation in the U.S. called
Wal-Mart !!! Sam, is spinning in his grave faster that the wheels on one of those land speed record machines at the Bonneville Salt Flats !!!!
Stude and Packard, were pimples on General Motors, donk thus they didn't have the devistational effect on our economy !!!!
-Rocky
-Rocky
Well they did during WWII, and if it wasn't for them we would be speaking German, !!!
-Rocky
I have experienced a total about face. rockylee, I am swaying away from wanting a Chevy Volt, but haven't totally crossed it off my future new car list for 2010.
An Italian company named Pininfarina has teamed with a French company named Bollore and is putting out a small 4-person, 4-door subcompact called the B0. It will have solar panels on it's roof and in it's front grille that will re-charge it's batteries. It will directly compete with the 2010 Chevy Volt and it will come to U.S. shores in 2010. Now, my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS only has 29,939 miles on it right now. But by then, or maybe early 2011, I am strongly considering buying one of these Pininfarina-Bollore B0's. They won't give me pricing information yet, they will only produce 10,000 cars in 2010 and then as battery production ramps us they'll make 12,000 in 2011. 15,000 in 2012, etc.
An earlier all-electric of Pininfarina-Bollore's called the LeBlue car was retailing for only $23,000. I translated from their brochure that said that the car will cost 15000Euros right now and it comes out to be $23,000USD right now.
What happens currency-wise might change the B0's price by late 2010, but hey, at $23,000-the Barack rebate of $7,500...well, you all do the math.
$15,500 friends! I am going to be all over this new all-electric together with the 2010 Mitsubishi i-MIEV(about $24,000 before the Obama-bate) and yes, Chevrolet's 2010 Volt for...umm...$33,000?
rock...the Volt design looks pretty impressive, though. I have taken a slow look at it and it looks sound as a pretty pound. So, I am really gonna be researching all 3 of them and I will consider the Volt, too.
I want an all-electric and technically the Volt is an all-electric, it just uses the small gas motor inside to fire up the main electrical generator.
The B0 employs the use of high-tech capacitors that are encased in steel inside the car.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Does that mean it is time to let the General die? I see your list of companies that have already bit the bullet. Why not give them all money to keep going? I see no reason to only bail out UAW workers. I think the 9000 Starbucks and 40,000 Citi-bank employees should have equal treatment by Uncle Sam. The truth is we have lived on credit so long that we are now paying the bill.
Circuit City stores... most recent (? how many)
Ann Taylor- 117 stores nationwide are to be shuttered
Lane Bryant,, Fashion Bug, and Catherine's to close 150 store nationwide
Eddie Bauer to close stores 27 stores and more after January
Cache will close all stores
Talbots closing down all stores
J. Jill closing all stores
GAP closing 85 stores
Footlocker closing 140 stores more to close after January
Wickes Furniture closing down
Levitz closing down remaining stores
Bombay closing remaining stores
Zales closing down 82 stores and 105 after January.
Whitehall closing all stores
Piercing Pagoda closing all stores
Disney closing 98 stores and will close more after January.
Home Depot closing 15 stores 1 in NJ ( New Brunswick )
Macy's to close 9 stores after January
Linens and Things closing all stores
Movie Galley Closing all stores
Pacific Sunware closing stores
Pep Boys Closing 33 stores
Sprint/ Nextel closing 133 stores
JC Penney closing a number of stores after January
Ethan Allen closing down 12 stores.
Wilson Leather closing down all stores
Sharper Image closing down all stores
K B Toys closing 356 stores
Loews to close down some stores
Dillard's to close some stores.
Oops, maybe not.
"The fundamentals of our economy remain strong" :sick:
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
The CTS-V, is the fastest 4 door production automobile in the world !!! Lemko, would smoke you like a cheap cigar in one and he wouldn't have to hit a million buttons to do it like a Bimmer !!!
-Rocky
Just one ??? I'd be more than happy to compare the portfolio of GM vs. BMW !!!
circlew, no offense but I remember your rah, rah, rah, about how great BMW, is and I will agree they are indeed nice cars BUT they are performance vehicles and offer nothing for a DTS, customer. They don't make a large SUV or a Truck, nor do they make a real 2 door sports car last I knew.... All of their cars are pretty much the same..... If I was looking for the best all-around automobile on the market I would buy a GM, brand named SAAB, aka XWD 9-3....I personally loved the 2008
Turbo X :shades:
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
If I could own any car made in 2009' I'd own a MKS AWD !!! those commercials make my heart melt for one every time I see it !!! The AWD would make Michigan's winters a snap !!! :shades:
-Rocky
The products from a new industry model will undoubtedly finally become competitive and profitable, sans UAW anchoring and eliminating bad products to focus on winners.
You can slice it any way you want but sales will not go up from this level so costs need to compensate ever downward and the number of nameplates cut in half at least.
I already estimated that to pay off 2 million workers that all the experts way will be lost $100,000 each so they can get new jobs would cost $200B.
Assuming not all of those jobs would be lost in a reorganization hosted by new investors for one new auto company, all we need do is count back from there.
I feel more comfortable that way than counting up from the $50B to start.
Regards,
OW
Why not??? Parcells did it, and almost took the Jets to the Super Bowl the following year.