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  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Just serves to remind you that we are all on borrowed time, so make the best of what we have you never know when it will end.

      Cheers Pat.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    What a tragic story. It sent chills down my back to learn that he had just posted at NASIOC the morning of the accident.

    Drive safely everyone...

    Ken
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    from another board.
    WRX driver crashes and walks away with just scratches.
    http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,232032,00- .html

    -Dave
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    those two kids, so young... Makes me rethink the idea of getting a driver license for my 16-yr old daughter...
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I feel very sorry for the families involved. But, this is exactly what happens when young and inexperienced drivers get a powerful car (looks like an STi in this case) and drive recklessly. It happens a lot.

    Over on NASIOC, I'm amazed by how many young drivers have WRXs and STis. I think this can be dangerous in a lot of cases -- clearly the WRX and STi can get you in a lot of trouble if you're not careful. Genetically, young males (15-21 in age) are predisposed to do crazy things, and driving a powerful car is like carrying a loaded gun in my opinion. I'm only thankful I didn't own a powerful car until I was old enough to afford it!

    If I ever have a teenager, I can guarantee they will be driving a slow car, and I will be telling them about tragedies like this so they know what can happen when you drive dangerously. I know everything else will be out of my control....

    Be safe everyone.

    Craig
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Mark, I hope all turns out well for you and your wife; our thoughts and prayers are with you.
    To the rest of you slackers (j/k), thanks again for your wishes.
    Serge, Susan, Michael, and Dina the Real Dog
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Craig- My thoughts exactly. I was lucky in that my first car had a whopping 80 hp! And even then I did couple of really stupid things.

    -Frank P.
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    for Susan and I'm sure your positive attitude is going a long way to help her and Michael!

    It's been awhile since I've seen your sign-off include "Dina the Real Dog". It made me smile!

    Patti
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    in our prayers. It is amazing how many folks here have been going through these - some (like mine) just scares, but a positive attitude goes a long way.

    Keep us informed as best you can and please let us know if we can do anything for you.

    Patti
  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Member Posts: 1,676
    that just, plain and simply, broke my heart. My son is looking for a car and I'm looking at a nice older model Subaru for him - or a tank. At SOA, we will not let anyone under 25, even test drive one of our turbo models. I agree with Craig - it's almost like handing them a loaded gun.

    I read through some of the driver's earlier post. He seemed like a nice young man based on what he wrote, even refusing to engage in an arguement with someone who took a poke at him from an earlier post. I imagine that the person who posted the jab feels pretty bad right now. I think that's another lesson in this tragedy. You never know when someone will be taken from this world and you should treat each "communication" with someone as the last chance you may have to say something to someone. I bet we'd all be nicer to each other if we were mindful of that.

    Sorry for the long comment. I just feel horrible for that family and their friends and I can't seem to shake it.

    Patti
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    serge - before i can even get in here and post .. you call me a 'slacker' ..lol .. i'm glad to hear the good news in the midst of bad ...

    mark .. remember you hear more about the ones that are malignant than benign .. and diagnostics are so good these days there are LOTS of biopsies .. when i had to have one, i took comfort in reading that something like 99% are benign ... i know it's hard to do, but i tried to look at it that i was just waiting to find out i was "ok" ....
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Keep up posted.

    -Dennis
    saying a prayer
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Serge- glad to hear things are looking good. Keep up the positive attitude and know that we are all pulling for Susan.

    Patti- When I finally have children that can drive, I will make sure they have a reasonable car to drive, like maybe out current Outback ;-) . In the case cited above, driving a "tank" wouldn't have helped at all. I actually plan to send my (theoretical at this point) kids to a track-based drivers' ed weekend when they are old enough. I think that knowing what a car can and can't do, and suffering the consequences of over-doing it in a controlled and safe environment goes a long way. The mid-atlantic region of the BMW CCA offers a one day course at Summit Point. It includes threshold braking exercises, accident avoidance (slalom through increasing radius turn, slalom through decreasing radius turn, 2 different high speed emergency lane change exercises), and 2 sessions on the skidpad...where everyone experiences at least one spectacualr spinout.
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    No apologies required for your post. I think what and how you stated it were on the mark. For the most part, the Subaru Crew is the epitome of respect for the individual and what we would all like the web to be.

    And speaking of Mark, Brenda stated the case very well. Beth also had a benign lump removed a few short years ago thanks to good diagnostics. We have our fingers crossed for you both.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Dave: wow, that driver was lucky. Unbelievable.

    Craig/Frank: I've said all along - the best car for a teenager? A bicycle!

    My kids will have experience in karts or some other form of driving well before they are of driving age. I'll probably take each of them to a weekend driving school, too.

    I think current Driver's Ed programs aren't nearly enough. You can't show kids accidents and scare them into driving safely. You have to demonstrate, put them behind the wheel, in a situation where you have to regain control, and teach them where the limits are and what to do if/when you exceed them.

    Ask a teenager what "oversteer" is today and they'll probably say it means "too many cattle".

    Patti: that would be a very nice attitude to have. It would force us to always use tact and behave appropriately.

    -juice
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    teenagers die around where I live. Always the same story. Going around curve too fast, lose control, hit a tree. There are crosses and flowers all over the place. As my local crew friends know, the Taconic is well known for this.

    Greg
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    I know what you are going through been that route twice with Rita and both times worked out okay, good wish's for a positive result.

      Cheers Pat.
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Mark: Fingers crossed for you. Serge, you too.

    I have no idea what my son's first car will be. My Forester will be close to antique/classic status by the time he's ready, say in 2019 or thereabouts.

    Ed
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    How very sad and it seems to be happening far too often. In the past 18 months, my 16-year-old son has been to three wakes for classmates killed in auto accidents. All were driving too fast, one was drunk. You always think that for those grieving the loss of a friend and classmate will realize that they are not immortal, but that's the fallibility of youth. They can't fathom not living forever. Some people live and learn, others just live.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    More positive and healing thoughts coming Susan's way!
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    how has your son reacted to his classmates deaths?

    Funny, my 10 year old daughter keeps telling me she does not want to drive because of the pollution cars emit (she is a big environmentalist). We'll see when she is 16.

    Greg
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I owe you an e-mail and words of thanks. My impaired short-term memory let it slip but reading your post brought it to mind.

    Ed
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Thanks for the thoughts folks. Unfortunately, it looks like we will have to wait a bit longer to find out what the deal is. Our regular Dr. messed up the referral, so now we have to reschedule, which with the impending snow storm means a longer delay.
    Thanks again,

    Mark & Helen
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
  • jlemolejlemole Member Posts: 345
    Hoping and praying for the best for you and your wife.

    Jon
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    When my daughter started junior high school I was a smoker, she used to bring home these pretty gruesome posters of people in various stages of mouth, face, and throat cancer and put them up on the walls in our kitchen.

     She was hoping to convince Dad to quit smoking, which I did over twenty years ago, but now she is a fairly heavy smoker and no matter how much I plead or cajole or anything else I can think of, she is still firmly in the clutch of tobacco.

      Go figure so as you say we will see.

      Cheers Pat.
  • goneskiiangoneskiian Member Posts: 381
    Seems so fleeting and fragile some days.

    Mark and Serge - Sending some positive thoughts your way. Hope they help. ;-)

    Also sending some positive vibes to the families of those two young men in California. Very sad when young people die.

    Juice - Thanks for the reminder about taking a driving course.

    -Ian
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    While I see the value of teens going through a driving course, in the back of my mind is the fear that they become overconfident in their abilities due the training. OTOH I guess they are overconfident even w/o the training.

    Jim [whose younger daughter is now learning to drive. 8~O ]
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    When I was in college, the local MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) would leave a wrecked car out on campus from a DUI accident.

    Seeing that twisted piece of metal left me with an impression that I still haven't forgotten till this day.

    Ken
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    of those twisted wrecks at our local HS recently. Doesn't seem to have much of an impact, although I am sure it does affect some. A youngster was recently arrested driving through our small town at 110 mph while drunk.

    Pat - me thinks you need to start hanging some posters!

    Greg
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    It will not make a bit of difference, unless she is ready to quit she won't.

     Cheers Pat.
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    The town where Michael's school is located is Parkland, where the cheapest home starts at around $500,000 and goes up from there. Next to Michael's school is Marjory Stoneman Douglas HS, named for the woman who single-handedly saved the Everglades way back then (she wrote a book called "River of Grass"). The student parking lot has nicer cars than the faculty parking lot, including a bunch of WRXs; here, kids can drive on their own at 16; I told Michael he can drive when he's 32 (I wish it were so!). When it's his time to drive on his own, it will be Susan's Legacy, never at night, and never with a bunch of other kids in the car...that can come later, maybe at 18 or 19, when he's proven his skills. Although they say you don't need Subies here, the torrential rains we get have proven to both Susan and I the advantage of Subarus. We'll likely get him and older Legacy or Impreza; maybe a Forester.

    Patti; did you get Michael's letter? Let me know.

    Serge
  • pattipcpattipc Member Posts: 53
    Bummer! I treasure my "Michael things". If he e-mailed it, I'm having some problems so it may not have made it through.

    Thanks - it's nice to know he thought about me!

    Patti
  • pattipcpattipc Member Posts: 53
    it is getting very nasty!

    Patti
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Got to shovel first before driving...
    and I think I'll be too pooped to drive when I get done.

    -Dave
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    This morning was hilarious. I pull up into the garage, park and notice another Forester. Then another. 3 at the exact same time, 8:50 (i.e. early on a Liberal Leave snow day).

    The garage was otherwise virtually empty!

    One was a 2003 Silver X model a woman owned. She said she loved it. The other guy had a Red 2001 Premium model, but he was on the phone so I didn't get a chance to ask him about it.

    We're getting sleet and freezing rain, so it's pretty nasty out there, indeed. I'm more conservative now that I'm a dad - someone else depends on me! :-)

    -juice
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    Serge and Susan, Mark and Helen, prayers for nothing but good news.

    A colleague of mine got the very first WRX in North Carolina and loved that car...until his 17 yo son, who thought the WRX handled 'like it was on rails' took his dad's car beyond the point where top of the line tires and suspension can save you..totaled the car and both his legs.

    When I was 17, I drove mopar muscle cars at speeds way beyond the handling abilities of the car or the driver...luckily, roads in rural SE Michigan are straight and flat. I think the more experience and skill-specific driver training, the better...when I moved to the mountains , this old dog had to learn lots of new tricks to drive in winter...the addition of gravity to snow and ice was a whole new ballgame!

    Peace and Grace,
    Mark
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    I saw at the dealers a Monotone red Sport Forester with that gigantic moonroof it was gorgeous,it had those beautiful rims as well as spoiler, had I seen that before I bought the Titan it would have been a very difficult decision.

      Cheers Pat.
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    They NEVER cancel school here, and never before early morning .. but I just had a call that we have NO SCHOOL tomorrow !!! ... a day to play in the snow ...

    (do they need subie buses? ... lol)
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Now go have some fun!
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    I don't know. Here's me climbing out of the pool and you folk are talking of snow.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • pattipcpattipc Member Posts: 53
    if I wasn't enjoying this white stuff so much!

    Patti
  • jlemolejlemole Member Posts: 345
    Snow day here in NJ too, but since my wife's car is in the shop, she's got the Outback which means no fun for me. I've borrowed my father's 1989 Mercedes 560SEL with 427,000 miles on the clock (yes, you read that right). I'll be fishtailing all the way up to Staten Island this morning!

    Jon
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    The problem with driving here is it started as sleet and ice, then was covered by snow so everything was very slippery last night. At least the city has the main roads in good shape!

    Mark

    PS- It's amazing how with all the snow we are having lately, how many of my co-workers are asking me about Subaru's (I'm the resident Subie nut here, event though there are 2 other Subaru families.)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We had 6" of snow, then a sheet of ice covering that, then more snow.

    I went to the grocery store last night, and by the time I went back to Sandy she had a thin sheet of ice covering all her windows. I actually had to scrape!

    -juice
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    how has your son reacted to his classmates deaths?

    One of the boys had played soccer with my son since they were eight-years-old, so his death was especially hard for our entire family.

    We don't live in a state that has this requirement, but we instituted it for our kids. When my son got his license, he was not allowed to have any passengers other than one of us in his vehicle for at least six months, nor was he allowed to be a passenger with a driver whose license was less than six months old. If he broke this rule, he would lose driving privileges for a month, which would mean taking the bus to school. (A fate worse than death!) When the month ban was over, the six month no passenger rule started from the beginning. He complained, but he didn't break the rule. He was tempted once by a parent who asked if he wouldn't mind giving her son a ride home after a practice. He told her he couldn't because of our rule.

    My son will be 17 next month and recently grudgingly admitted that our self-imposed restriction was probably a good idea. This was after another friend from his school was involved in an accident...while driving with a car load of friends.

    What does he drive? A 1995 Jeep Wrangler, manual transmission. He also hated us for making him learn to drive a stick shift, but we told him that once mastered he would be able to drive just about anything. He loves it now.

    Okay...enough of my boring you with my parental driving guidelines. :-)
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    You're not boring me...parental guidelines don't mean that we are stiff-necked folks; it means we love our children!
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