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Cheers Pat.
Drive safely everyone...
Ken
WRX driver crashes and walks away with just scratches.
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,232032,00- .html
-Dave
Over on NASIOC, I'm amazed by how many young drivers have WRXs and STis. I think this can be dangerous in a lot of cases -- clearly the WRX and STi can get you in a lot of trouble if you're not careful. Genetically, young males (15-21 in age) are predisposed to do crazy things, and driving a powerful car is like carrying a loaded gun in my opinion. I'm only thankful I didn't own a powerful car until I was old enough to afford it!
If I ever have a teenager, I can guarantee they will be driving a slow car, and I will be telling them about tragedies like this so they know what can happen when you drive dangerously. I know everything else will be out of my control....
Be safe everyone.
Craig
To the rest of you slackers (j/k), thanks again for your wishes.
Serge, Susan, Michael, and Dina the Real Dog
-Frank P.
It's been awhile since I've seen your sign-off include "Dina the Real Dog". It made me smile!
Patti
Keep us informed as best you can and please let us know if we can do anything for you.
Patti
I read through some of the driver's earlier post. He seemed like a nice young man based on what he wrote, even refusing to engage in an arguement with someone who took a poke at him from an earlier post. I imagine that the person who posted the jab feels pretty bad right now. I think that's another lesson in this tragedy. You never know when someone will be taken from this world and you should treat each "communication" with someone as the last chance you may have to say something to someone. I bet we'd all be nicer to each other if we were mindful of that.
Sorry for the long comment. I just feel horrible for that family and their friends and I can't seem to shake it.
Patti
mark .. remember you hear more about the ones that are malignant than benign .. and diagnostics are so good these days there are LOTS of biopsies .. when i had to have one, i took comfort in reading that something like 99% are benign ... i know it's hard to do, but i tried to look at it that i was just waiting to find out i was "ok" ....
-Dennis
saying a prayer
Patti- When I finally have children that can drive, I will make sure they have a reasonable car to drive, like maybe out current Outback ;-) . In the case cited above, driving a "tank" wouldn't have helped at all. I actually plan to send my (theoretical at this point) kids to a track-based drivers' ed weekend when they are old enough. I think that knowing what a car can and can't do, and suffering the consequences of over-doing it in a controlled and safe environment goes a long way. The mid-atlantic region of the BMW CCA offers a one day course at Summit Point. It includes threshold braking exercises, accident avoidance (slalom through increasing radius turn, slalom through decreasing radius turn, 2 different high speed emergency lane change exercises), and 2 sessions on the skidpad...where everyone experiences at least one spectacualr spinout.
And speaking of Mark, Brenda stated the case very well. Beth also had a benign lump removed a few short years ago thanks to good diagnostics. We have our fingers crossed for you both.
Steve
Craig/Frank: I've said all along - the best car for a teenager? A bicycle!
My kids will have experience in karts or some other form of driving well before they are of driving age. I'll probably take each of them to a weekend driving school, too.
I think current Driver's Ed programs aren't nearly enough. You can't show kids accidents and scare them into driving safely. You have to demonstrate, put them behind the wheel, in a situation where you have to regain control, and teach them where the limits are and what to do if/when you exceed them.
Ask a teenager what "oversteer" is today and they'll probably say it means "too many cattle".
Patti: that would be a very nice attitude to have. It would force us to always use tact and behave appropriately.
-juice
Greg
Cheers Pat.
I have no idea what my son's first car will be. My Forester will be close to antique/classic status by the time he's ready, say in 2019 or thereabouts.
Ed
Funny, my 10 year old daughter keeps telling me she does not want to drive because of the pollution cars emit (she is a big environmentalist). We'll see when she is 16.
Greg
Ed
Thanks again,
Mark & Helen
Jon
She was hoping to convince Dad to quit smoking, which I did over twenty years ago, but now she is a fairly heavy smoker and no matter how much I plead or cajole or anything else I can think of, she is still firmly in the clutch of tobacco.
Go figure so as you say we will see.
Cheers Pat.
Mark and Serge - Sending some positive thoughts your way. Hope they help. ;-)
Also sending some positive vibes to the families of those two young men in California. Very sad when young people die.
Juice - Thanks for the reminder about taking a driving course.
-Ian
Jim [whose younger daughter is now learning to drive. 8~O ]
Seeing that twisted piece of metal left me with an impression that I still haven't forgotten till this day.
Ken
Pat - me thinks you need to start hanging some posters!
Greg
Cheers Pat.
Patti; did you get Michael's letter? Let me know.
Serge
Thanks - it's nice to know he thought about me!
Patti
Patti
and I think I'll be too pooped to drive when I get done.
-Dave
The garage was otherwise virtually empty!
One was a 2003 Silver X model a woman owned. She said she loved it. The other guy had a Red 2001 Premium model, but he was on the phone so I didn't get a chance to ask him about it.
We're getting sleet and freezing rain, so it's pretty nasty out there, indeed. I'm more conservative now that I'm a dad - someone else depends on me! :-)
-juice
A colleague of mine got the very first WRX in North Carolina and loved that car...until his 17 yo son, who thought the WRX handled 'like it was on rails' took his dad's car beyond the point where top of the line tires and suspension can save you..totaled the car and both his legs.
When I was 17, I drove mopar muscle cars at speeds way beyond the handling abilities of the car or the driver...luckily, roads in rural SE Michigan are straight and flat. I think the more experience and skill-specific driver training, the better...when I moved to the mountains , this old dog had to learn lots of new tricks to drive in winter...the addition of gravity to snow and ice was a whole new ballgame!
Peace and Grace,
Mark
Cheers Pat.
(do they need subie buses? ... lol)
I don't know. Here's me climbing out of the pool and you folk are talking of snow.
Cheers
Graham
Patti
Jon
Mark
PS- It's amazing how with all the snow we are having lately, how many of my co-workers are asking me about Subaru's (I'm the resident Subie nut here, event though there are 2 other Subaru families.)
I went to the grocery store last night, and by the time I went back to Sandy she had a thin sheet of ice covering all her windows. I actually had to scrape!
-juice
One of the boys had played soccer with my son since they were eight-years-old, so his death was especially hard for our entire family.
We don't live in a state that has this requirement, but we instituted it for our kids. When my son got his license, he was not allowed to have any passengers other than one of us in his vehicle for at least six months, nor was he allowed to be a passenger with a driver whose license was less than six months old. If he broke this rule, he would lose driving privileges for a month, which would mean taking the bus to school. (A fate worse than death!) When the month ban was over, the six month no passenger rule started from the beginning. He complained, but he didn't break the rule. He was tempted once by a parent who asked if he wouldn't mind giving her son a ride home after a practice. He told her he couldn't because of our rule.
My son will be 17 next month and recently grudgingly admitted that our self-imposed restriction was probably a good idea. This was after another friend from his school was involved in an accident...while driving with a car load of friends.
What does he drive? A 1995 Jeep Wrangler, manual transmission. He also hated us for making him learn to drive a stick shift, but we told him that once mastered he would be able to drive just about anything. He loves it now.
Okay...enough of my boring you with my parental driving guidelines. :-)