By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our
Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our
Visitor Agreement.
Comments
What all 20 miles of it? :-)
-Frank
-Brian
Bob
-Brian
just hanging out with friends, the highlight will be catching the Chiefs' last preseason game on Thursday in Dallas.
first roadtrip in the Evo, I'll be sure to report the mileage!
~c
And speeding tickets!
Have a great time Colin! How long is the drive?
Bob
~c
Colin: try to stay off the boost. ;-)
I am beach-bound on Friday once again. Might even get my sister out there with her Forester.
-juice
The results are disappointing:
1. Acura TSX
2. Volvo S40 T5
3. Legacy GT
4. Audi A4
And it appears they did test a 5MT Legacy GT:
0-60 in 5.7
1/4 in 14.2 @ 96
0-120 in 26.2
Ken
0-60 5.7
0-100 16.0
0-120 26.2
1/4 mile 14.2@96
skidpad 0.81g
TSX
0-60 7.5
0-100 19.9
0-120 33.7
1/4 mile 15.7@90
skidpad 0.83g
S40 T5
0-60 6.7
0-100 16.6
0-120 25.7
1/4 mile 15.0@97
skidpad 0.85g
A4 1.8t
0-60 8.1
0-100 23.7
0-120 40.2
1/4 mile 16.2@87
skidpad 0.85g
Ken
Still think that someone looking for performance as a prime consideration will like the numbers of the GT.
It looks like the LGT is by far the fastest in a straight line- and could use a little more grip. I agree with this- I'm not surprised by the skidpad numbers- I feel like the tires start breaking away earlier than expected. I also think this is easily remedied by a few hundred dollars in tires.
I could see the TSX being ranked higher because it's a lot cheaper, but the Volvo? It's smaller, more expensive, and slower. Maybe points wise they were very close? I'll be interested to read the article myself.
Too bad they didn't add a 325i. It seems like it should have been there- although it would be outgunned like the Audi. And I'm sure BMW wouldn't like that. ;-)
I guess it will be hard for Subaru to get some respect. Maybe if they repeat the test in the snow? ;-)
The ranking is dissapointing, but my car isn't! I don't regret not buying any of the other cars tested (wierd sentence, I know). If anything my only regret at times is that I didn't get the wagon (Ususally when I'm at Costco) or the OB (every time I hit a pothole) ;-)
BTW, why the 0-120? Is this a legitimate concern among american carbuyers? It doesn't seem to be a big deal to me, but maybe I'm just wierd. ;-)
tom
Bob
Acceleration blows the others away, though.
I also bet it was dry, else the order might have been reversed.
Bet it also lost a lot of points in the "features" category. What kills me is they don't subtract points for competitors lacking AWD.
-juice
Craig
Given the clear power advantage, an auto-to-auto comparsion may have done better.
Ken
When I add a few features to the Leg GT 5MT sedan, it is about $2400 more than a TSX but is still missing many of the TSX's features. SO that's a potential turnoff. For someone like me, AWD is a big plus in the Legacy's favor but it may not be enough to offset the $2400 premium and lower content level (it wasn't for my wife -- not that I would expect C&D editors to think the same way!).
Craig
Craig
What shocks me is that the Volvo ranked so high, I found it decidedly so-so. Cheap and cramped interior don't even put in the same league as the other 3.
-juice
Craig
juice: My point exactly. Even though the GT has the highest pressure turbo of the pack, the fact that VTEC requires high revs, the extra HP of the GT engine and the features of the 5EAT may have resulted in different standings.
I totally don't get the S40 ranking though. We'll have to see what other qualitative measures they factored in.
Ken
Maybe because it wasn't a 6sp? I feel like this car is 9/10s there, and just needs some tweaking. 9/10 is fine by me, but these car mag guys are a finicky bunch- especially since they can be picky without actually living with the car on a daily basis. But if this was a shootout among 'performance' sedans, I think something is quite skewed in their final placement.
Juice, you're probably right. It's just missing some of the options that a $30+K sedan ought to have available. Too bad, I think AWD is clearly worth the difference in price.
Maybe FHI needs to put a high torque at a useable RPM 6 cyl engine (like Nissan's) to really get some respect. It sure made the Altima popular.
tom
I've always disliked (and mistrusted) skidpad results because I feel it measures tires as much as it does cars. Let's put the same size and make tire on all four cars and get an apples-to-apples number!
Jim
Saw this on FHI's Japan site. They must be planning big for competition with the STi Spec C this year
http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/news/press/2004/04_09_01e.htm
Cheers
Graham
I guess as with most cars a dose of power and a stiffer suspension makes it better.
Ed
Cheers Pat.
-Dave
p/s third image doesn't come up.
Bob
Cheers Pat.
Hope you're relaxing and enjoying the weather, Pat
tom
It was a very comfortable ride, and my son had the portable DVD player plugged into the switch in the rear so he had a great time.
Even with the 4EAT no trouble keeping up with traffic on the I95 autobahn in the the carolinas doing 80-85. In fact on one stretch I averaged 26 MPH- not bad with a/c on, Nokian tires and going 80+ MPH.
The car got blasted last sunday with tropical strorm gaston and we saw lots of Power Co. trucks on I95 heading south as we returned on Saturday but otherwise very happy with the OB on the trip.
After driving a Plymouth voyager for 9 years and a 93 exploder for a year I'm pretty pleased with the car.
Not to say that I haven't lusted after a new 6C or a turbo AT given that I'm stuck with AT due to defective body parts- maybe in a couple of years...:)
Robert
Anybody know how I can score a maintenance coupon for my GT Limited? This is our second Subaru purchase within the past 12 months and after giving my dealer almost $60,000 you would think he'd have something more original to say other than "wait and see if they send you a coupon". Any suggestions out there?
Ray
- no tickets
- average speed was 73.7 mph
- average fuel consumption was 23.7 mpg (best leg 24.8)
- some idiot in TDOT decided it was a good idea to close about 3-5 miles of I-35 south down to ONE lane just north of D/FW on thursday while they did something to the left shoulder. good time to have a nice stereo.
- Rostra aftermarket cruise is better than nothing, but pretty crappy compared to OE units.
I thought I'd get better mileage. I think it was running the AC and stereo (significant current draw = more demand on alternator).
~c
I'm currently breeding experimental weeds all over my house. Scientists could study them.
Good call on the harness for your pup.
Mac looks lighter, his coat is more grayish now. Wasn't he black as a puppy?
Hadji is still black/brown, but his face is gray.
We got back from the beach last night, sounds like a lot of us did road trips. I have to share the mandatory Forester plug - my 5 year old daughter's bike didn't fit on my bike rack (odd shaped frame), but it did fit in the cargo area - fully assembled. Room to spare.
-juice
Yep Mac was black as apup but it seems every time we have him groomed he gets lighter in colour.
Cheers Pat.
I'm now at the stage where my kids don't really let me - they demand my full attention in the evenings. I need to take days off to work on the yard (or on my cars).
I use that as an excuse to buy tools to help me do my work, though. Got an awesome yard vacuum last year, made some compost and now I have the best cucumbers you've ever seen.
Bob - come by if you want some, I picked 34 last week!
-juice
Cheers Pat.
-juice
Cheers Pat.
Craig
I'm still trying to catch up on all the posts since I've been gone. Happy B-day to all you August babies! September too while I'm at it! ;-)
The wife and I had a great trip. Almost stopped in to see hammerhead in Spokane but it was late and we hit a downpour in Kellogg ID that would have been worse if it was any later and me any more tired. Sorry Paul, maybe next time! Especially now that I know you and Mark know each other. Actually had dinner with he and his lady friend at the Elk in Spokane that night (part of the reason we didn't have time to get that tour of the Liberty Lake firehouse).
Anyway, Montana was windy, Yellowstone cold and wet (but amazing of course), Jackson Hole full of memories (I grew up there), and Denver was warm and sunny. I'll put some pics up on the imagestation account soon.
About the woes... cracked the windshield on the new GT, D'oh! Isn't that a warranty item? (I wish). I also discovered that I've got mismatched door panel inserts. I was in West Yellowstone when I noticed. The driver and driver side rear door have cloth inserts and the other two have the leather inserts. Too funny!
Pretty good mileage on the way out to Colorado with a strong tailwind (best tank 28.47 mpg), but worse on the way back to Seattle into the headwind (best tank 25.22 mpg).
Cheers!
-Ian
So, which do you like better, the cloth or leather door inserts?? :-) I will be very interested to hear how the dealer reacts to this.
Craig
I think I like the cloth ones actually. ;-) I'll take the leather though as I think that's what the limited model is supposed to get.
I made an oil change appointment today and mentioned this to the service person and he said they'd order some different panels up. Hopefully it's that easy. I'll definitely share the whole story later.
-Ian
Thanks!
Patti
Thanks!
Patti
I really enjoy reading stories here about folks trips/vacations.
I actually got to go out on a fishing charter last Friday night. We had a blast. Our "group" (brother, sister-in-law, husband, friends) caught 14 keeper sea bass and a couple of snapper blue fish. I caught 4 of them. We had a blast!
How do I share photo's on-line now that I finally have a digital camera?
Patti
You'll need a host to upload your photos too. Many here use ImageStation, there are other free sites out there, some allow direct links, others don't.
Once you've uploaded them, you can link to the album or to the photos in your message. Adding the [img]http://putpicturelocationhere[/img] will make the photo appear in the message. NOTE: replace the [ ] with < >
The Edmunds folks have a quick little how-to somewhere I believe as well.
-Brian
Steve, Host
After having gone thru 3 1/2 days of twilight, I took off some hurricane shutters.
For those of you who have never been in a house with all the shutters on, it is like a perpetual twilight, there is some light coming in from the top and bottom of the shutters, but the claustrophobia and cabin fever comes quickly, as does the boredom. There were times that I would open the front door to get some fresh air and see the outside world again despite the 50mph winds and strong rains. Finally got out on Sunday and surveyed the damage; just one ugly tree down and a large branch of our Chinese Orchid tree split in half, plus lots of loose debris. Saturday night were the strongest winds and Michael came in to sleep in the closet, which had been designated our safe room (our house is cinder block and rebar constuction, with hurricane strapping for the roof beams, so its is quite strong). We dodged another bullet here in our development; others weren't so lucky. We had power throughout the whole ordeal as opposed to Susan's mother who is staying with us because she still doesn't have power.
Hopefully Ivan will stay on its' current path and remain south of here; I would like to get those shutters off, but it won't be til Thursday at the earliest that Ivan's path will be clearer. For now, I have three very large piles of tree branches that need to be cut down to smaller pieces so they can be removed by the sanitation people.
As far as I am concerned, I'd sell the house immediately and get out of Dodge ASAP. I don't look forward to the rest of Hurricane season, which is just now reaching its' peak and desn't officially end until November.
Serge
Cloth breathes better, but leather is more durable, unless you never treat it then it cracks....
Patti: catch any turbot?
Windshield - does your insurance cover it? It does in MD.
Serge: I guess what matters is that your family is intact. You can plant a new tree!
-juice