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As for the Malibu Hybrid, I guess most private buyers realized the fuel savings nowhere near offsets the additional cost, so GM is dumping them into fleets, as well? Wasn't the Hybrid discontinued recently?
I'm kinda surprised by the HHR, although I guess it's getting a bit long in the tooth. Hey, one thing I'm wondering...if a small business buys up a few HHR's to use as delivery vehicles (flowers or other lightweight type work), that would still count as a fleet sale, wouldn't it?
With that being said, I suppose I'm partially at fault for the Impala fleet registrations being high.
I'd guess in the long run, the Crown Vic is still more sturdy and durable than the Impala. For example, hop a curb in a Crown Vic and you won't faze it, but do it in the Impala, and it comes in for repairs. And an accident that sends the Vic to the body shop for repairs might total the Impala. But, the Impala's lower price and better mpg might be good enough to offset that, so overall it's a draw, financially.
I'm actually surprised to see the next county over from me is still using Intrepids for police cars! Considering an Intrepid hasn't rolled off the assembly line since September 2003, I'm pretty impressed. I figured the cops would have beaten them all up by now.
In my county, they use mainly Impalas, and there are still a lot of the 2005 and older models floating around.
The NYPD has a few of these:
It's very strange seeing these cars as police vehicles and taxis.
I actually prefer the styling of the 2002-2006 version. However, the '07+ does have a nicer interior, and gets better fuel economy.
PPD Impala
PPD Expressway Patrol Charger
PPD Crown Victoria
On off-topic matter, item in yesterday's WSJ said that Motorola was considering legal action against Lemko.
Been tivoing and watching highlights of Tour de France. Besides watching bicycle racer competition, interesting to watch sides of roads to see what kind of brands of cars and if any American cars, suvs. Have only seen a couple of PT Cruisers. Most all cars look to be compact, sub-compact. Many RVs, but not the big bus types we have in US. Not a single Suburban, GM American brand spotted. Of course, much of the Tour route is on narrow roads, and was in mountains, so small cars make more sense. And, gas prices very high compared to US.
GM needs a full or near full size car offering for US police departments.
It's the Holden Commodore. They brought it over as the Pontiac G8 for two years and then, like the idiots
that they are, stopped selling it. It's the best thing GM makes to date with the possible exception of the
CTS, and yet again, in its infinite wisdom "not for sale in the U.S.".
And you wonder why I loathe GM. Like their cars, but man what a bunch of morons. They *have*
a car, ready to go for sale in the U.S. that beats its competition in its home market quite handily.
But then after all of that work to bring it over to the U.S., decide to not sell it any more.
You're not outrunning that. :P And, yes, you can get it with the CTS 3.6 engine or a modified Corvette V8.
So local police can save some money and the highway patrol can get power and speed to chase down idiots.
But... "Not For Sale in the U.S."
"Take a chance on me ...."
:P
87 HP per liter with this setup.
Hundai expecting 134.5 HP per liter by adding turbocharging to a L4.
55% more HP per liter for the Hundai Sonata
80% more liters for the Camaro.
Camaro LS $22,680 base price
Hundai proposed as $24,995 base price
21 vs. 26 mpg combined
3780 lbs vs. 3199 lbs
2 doors vs. 4 doors
GM needs to get on the ball. Hundai has 84% of the Camaro weight, but Camaro gets only 83% of the Hundai hwy mpgs. That is a 1% lack of efficiency on GM's part in only a 2-3 year older design. And the Camaro is only $2320 less to account for that 1% lower efficiency.
Edmunds Editor's rating of 7.5 means:
"Introduction
OK, we're going to get straight to the point here. The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro rocks."
Power /Weight
Hope this helps you understand better.
Regards,
OW
And in interior volume, I remember a big fuss made over the '08 Accord when it came out, that by EPA standards, it actually qualified as, barely, a full-sized car! The EPA classifies 110-120 cubic feet of combined interior/trunk space as midsized, and 120+ as fullsized. The EPA has the Accord listed at 106 interior, 14 trunk, 120 combined.
I think I read somewhere though, that the sunroof on the new Accord is really intrusive, and cuts interior volume by something ridiculous, like 4-5 cubic feet. So maybe those stats above are taking that into account?
But, nitpicking aside, that chart does make the Sonata look pretty impressive.
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External dimensions: overall length (inches): 191.8, overall width (inches): 70.3, overall height (inches): 57.1, wheelbase (inches): 112.3, front track (inches): 59.6, rear track (inches): 60.0 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 40.4
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Weights: curb weight (lbs) 3,415
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This the the 4-cyl. Here is the V-6:
Curb weight LTZ V6: 1655 kg (3649 lbs)
Regards,
OW
I see where August 2010 is the kickoff date for the IPO, the regime has to get out of GM holdings prior to any serious talk of "Cap and Tax" legislation which will again gut the auto business.. The upcoming "Volt" will only sell with huge Govt rebates, and our gas prices will start to jump after the 2010 elections..
Having been born in 1933, owned 53 cars to date, 51 of them produced by the Big3, and 2 Porsches I will state postively that no Asian nameplate will never have my name on the title or registration.. Lived in the best of times, and the current outlook for our great country is bleak..Another conviction is that I will not buy any GM or Chrysler product produced after the Obama takeover...period..who cares about the IPO, ain't gonna be any of those 2 brands bought new,,ever,,never..again..
My 2006 Pontiac GPGT w/260hp-S/C V-6 will share the garage with a V-8 Mustang GT, both noisy, rough riding, and my type of Yankee wheels..
Don't feed me the line that your Asian wheels are assembled with local labor, big deal....maybe 25% of the parts are USA produced..the balance are Aisan supplied..Spent 1967 thru 2002 as a supplier to the auto industry, 2 1/2 yrs with a transplant Japanese parts-supplier, so don't be snuckered by their claims..
Have you noticed how Toyota got off the "hook", and now our govt says that sudden acceleration is due to "driver error"..I think the sweet little Asians mustered up some "political cash"..Another "shakedown" for the govt, and some of our "legal eagles"..
Who produced the "Daewoo" ?????? Too lazy to google it...
Gotta dun my renters in Michigan for they are forever behind, quess they need a 'bailout"..
Choices in a Hundai for 1990: excel
Choices in a Hundai for 1995: excel
Choices in a Hundai for 2000: excel
Choices in a Hundai for 2005: sonata
Choices in a Hundai for 2010: genesis
Choices in a GM in 1990: 0-60 in 3.9 seconds in a Syclone
Maybe 4.0 seconds in a Z06
not enough time to list them all but there are probable a hundred to list through 2010, ending with a similar weight, similar wheelbase, similar length GM coupe with a 312 HP V6 not requiring the high maintenance of Turbo.
Regards,
OW
Never been to a Hyundai dealer, do they sell lawnmowers or chain saws????
Hourly rate update at UAW assembly plt operations for new hires is $14.00, while the oldtimer gets the 28.00..don't you love the regime's new wage scale..Personally I think the new scale is too high, $7.50 to start, and $14.00 after 20 yrs...
I don't know, but I do know if you buy a Cadillac from my local caddy dealer you will be inline with an owner of an Aveo as they sell and service Chevy.
We also have a BMW dealer in town that sells Honda's all on the same showroom and service center. I wonder if they throw in a Fit if you buy a 7 series?;)
I bought a Genesis and really haven't had any problems with the dealer I got it from. There was no special treatment, but, they serviced my car right the first time and that is all that matters.
As for Accent owners..... what makes me any better than them because I drive a nicer car :confuse:
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
Now isn't that the truth.
One has to wonder, on a macro level, how carbon efficient the Volt might be. Given the loss amount of electricity over transmission wires and distance from generating plant, could the Volt have somewhat similar overall carbon footprint compared to ICE equipped cars of its weight that use very efficient petroleum based gasoline?
$41K for the base Volt is insane. This is the EV1 all over again.
He settled with GM somehow by selling the bigger town store to a dealer who already had a store about 40 miles away. GM has started shipping new vehicles and promises 2011 models to his smaller town store.
The dealship owner is in late 60's, had the same Chevy/Buick dealership in the smaller town for about 3+ decades and has many, many loyal customers. The owner said he fought hard against GM not only to retain his business, but to keep on role all of his employees.
Would like to know who is responsible for the arbitrary forcing of closures of some GM dealerships. Was it GM management or Obama Admin?
Corvette owners sit in the same lobby as Aveo owners....
For that kind of money I can buy a Prius or Insight, and have enough $ leftover to have free gas, insurance, and much of the maintenance for the life of the vehicle.
Considering the state of our various governments' finances, I find it offensive that someone who can afford such a car is going to get $7,500 tax credit. It is a slap in the face to all those citizens who are told there is no $ for food or shelter - go live on the streets.
I can sort of understand the logic behind that. If I can afford a $40K car, what, really, is my incentive to buy a Volt? $40K can get you into any number of really nice, tried-and-tested cars, so what's my incentive to take a gamble on something that looks like a compact, and technology-wise, could be a crap-shoot.
I look at it as more of an incentive to the manufacturer than to Me, the customer. If I buy that car, even though the gov't essentially gave me $7500 to do it, I still just gave GM $40K. And I gave my state another 6% on top of that for the honor of titling and registering the damn thing. If I'm financing the car, I'm giving a lot of money to the bank. I'm sure insurance will cost a pretty penny on that sucker...more than my paid-off 2000 Park Ave.
And, in the long run, if you give an incentive now to increase demand, it'll help the technology go more mainstream faster. And therefore, make it cheaper, hopefully increasing demand even more, to where the car can be sold without the tax credit. It'll help create jobs by putting people to work building the car and its various components, which in turn gets more money back into the economy as these working people can now start buying more. And, the improved fuel economy helps cut our dependence on foreign oil, although I imagine it could put a strain on the power grid.
Of course, this is just my theory behind it all and how it would work in a perfect world. We all know the world ain't perfect. And the gov't, even less so!
And, the Volt helps support the US coal mining industry and the coal power plants used to generate electricity. Unless, of course, a Volt owner lives near a nuclear power plant. Volt owners can brag that their purchase helps working class coal miners.
Now, potential Volt buyers need to factor in the uncertainty of our nation's direction. President Obama has said that electricity rates will "skyrocket" when Cap and Trade is enacted. That is still his preference to get it passed, implemented. Under those circumstances, purchase of Volt could be crapshoot.
I need a new large screen LED tv that uses much less power than my old tv and is thus more friendly to the environment. Thinking of a Samsung 46 inch and would like about a $200 tax credit. Any US taxpayers willing to help fund my new tv?
Maybe true. But it's also true that anything "mainstream" will then be outsourced to another country to produce, or will be copied by another country and produced by them.
So I really don't see the Volt or the tax credit creating a large increase in vehicle production here in the U.S. The U.S. government is doing this for several reasons, not least of which - to appease "greenies" that they are doing something, to support GM so they don't have to admit the Volt-program was a waste - which would also hurt GM's value going into an IPO.
The government is making fleet-purchases, giving support for the halo-ecology Volt, and doing whatever else they can to make GM smell-like roses. To me the government is just dressing-up and perfuming the same old slightly-thinner pig.
Go down to your nearest GM dealer, look at the vehicles, discuss the whole sales process. Not much different than before the bankruptcy right? What's really changed?
"The government is making fleet-purchases, giving support for the halo-ecology Volt, and doing whatever else they can to make GM smell-like roses. To me the government is just dressing-up and perfuming the same old slightly-thinner pig."
They've also got a major forum blitz going around the internet to prop up the success of the overpriced econobox, by doing everything possible to belittle and even outright dismiss the competition. :sick:
I hope they fall flat on their collective asses with this thing. The arrogance is astounding.
Buy a Volt! It's good for Korea...
"(Seoul, Korea) LG Chem, Ltd. announced today as the lithium-ion polymer battery cell supplier for GM’s Chevrolet Volt. The Volt, scheduled to be launched in late 2010, will be the first mass-produced extended-range electric vehicle. LG Chem will be the production source for the battery cells, and Compact Power Inc., North American Subsidiary of LG Chem, will build battery packs for Volt development vehicles until GM’s battery facility is operational."