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2009 Acura TSX



  • gdoctsx1gdoctsx1 Member Posts: 60
    The difference when I drove my 06 (mine has only about 12,000miles on it) and the 09 was minimal in power difference. The sound of the motor in the previous generation to me sounds way better. Not sure why the dampening is so poor on the new car? Albeit when the v-tec opens on the 06 it's very short lived, I'd take that thrust over the slight change in torque curve on the new one. What makes the TSX fun for me was is that thrust at 6000 and the mid range pull to me is good. The dash materials have some high points (the guages) and some low points (the silver plastic console). It's slightly better inside than the monstrosity dash in the new Accord. First time I've seen honda release a car with a glove box and center console so poorly fitted. I find the RDX has a similar feel to the TSX inside, but just overall much better materials (less plastic moldings everywhere). I'm going to keep the 06 TSX for another couple years, then probably look at the new TL, IS250awd, or G35. I like the backend of the new TSX, but thus far don't have much positive to say about it. I've owned about 7 Honda products, but the new Acura direction and certainly the new Accord have turned me right off the brand. Hope the TL wins me back!
  • goosegoose Member Posts: 77
    "><img src="Just visited the local Acura dealer in Tucson. My initial TSX impression was, "Wow its big". Looked at the sticker and saw 100% Japan. The price was $29K. I had some window tint add on but still under $30K. I then went to the Honda dealer (next door) and saw the Accord. My overall impression is the Accord looks stately and a EX will look good in any drive way. If you need the status then the TSX is good and your paying for 100% Japan made (at this time). I'm in my early 40s and I don't like the size of either car. Unfortunately there isn't an auto in the Honda/Acura line that fits my desire for fuel/size/comfort. The Accord coupe has an ugly rear that looks like a chopped Accord. I don't want a Lexus/Infinite/BMW because of the price. The only brand that currently gets any interest from me is the VW GLI/R32 which are 100% German. However, VW has a reliability issue so I"m left with the feeling that my current car will have to do. A 2006 Civic EX Coupe with Honda accesory 17" wheels." <img src=C:\Users\Gus\Desktop\IMG_0426_2.jpg"
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    On the surface it might make sense to keep the TSX FWD but there's a couple of reasons I don't think it will happen. First the TL is so established, like the ES was for Lexus, they can't kill its formula. Unlike now where they basically have 3 mid sized sedans, if/when they switch to RWD, there'll be much bigger difference in sizes. So the TSX would actually shrink to not only make it different from the RL in the US but also different from the EuroAccord in other markets. Because in other markets badge engineering doesn't work the TSX has to be RWD to differentiate it from Honda offerings.
  • ogbzaogbza Member Posts: 10
    i just spoke with a dealer who was trying to talk me out of leasing an 08 TL-S and instead wait for the 09 TL. This was partly due to the fact that he didn't have what i wanted in stock, but he seemed generally interested in giving me good advice.

    Anyway, when i asked him to speculate on the 09 TL lease deals he mentioned that the 36 month residual on the new TSX was somewhere in the 70%'s. He told me that acura has implied that this "standard" will apply to the new TL as well. Has anyone else heard anything like this? That is incredibly high and would make for great lease deals, no?
  • pskovalkopskovalko Member Posts: 9
    I've compared pictures of new TSX and new Euro-Accord interior. Essentially they both got same interior. Euro-Accord got red emergency stop lights button (probably because of Euro safety requirements) and silver panel on the sterring wheel under audio/cruise control buttons (it is black on TSX).

    I can only speculate on the difference in quality of materials, but folks in european forums talk about many improvements in this area. So I would guess Honda decided to save money and do not provide upgraded interior for TSX any more. In previous generation the interior was pretty different in TSX -- Euro Accord had interior similar to US Accord in terms of the layout and the quality.

    That would explain why some people mentioned relatively "cheap" plastic on the dashboard.

    Interestingly enough the silver panel on steering wheel looks better. I have no clue why Honda decided to swap this detail between Euro and US model (old Euro Accord had it in black).

    Still have a few thousand miles before getting my car to the service. Will take a look then. So far reading all the information I doubt I will ever trade my Black-on-black 2005 MT6 Navi for new one.
  • curvecurve Member Posts: 20
    I bought my new '05 TSX w/ nav, auto, 3 years ago this month and is by far the best car I ever drove, and fun! Before that I had a '98 Integra (w/ stick) bought in '00. After the new '09 TSX came out I figured it would inevitably push my older TSX generation to the back of the line. However after reading a couple of articles and the forum here it appears our generation car is still more fun to drive than the new one. Yes it looks fresher, more modern etc. but at the end of the day it's the feel of it that counts. I think our model is going to garnish that cult factor once word goes Tiptronic? that's half the fun when passing other drivers in the congested streets of Boston and Highways! It was a great compromise to let go of standard shift as even my soccer legs were tired of 1st gear - neutral - 1st gear driving in my area.
    By the way, my friend bought a '05 BMW 325 a couple months before my purchase and regreted it (he had test drove the TL and TSX too) within a year. I calculated $6k difference for the badge (ok, and better driving)

    no regrets here!
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    I looiked at and sat in the '09 TSX at the Acura dealer, but didn't test drive it. The '09 looks better from the side and from the back, in my opinion, than the previous generation TSX. The front doesn't look as good, and while I'm not a fan of the new grille, I could live with it. The interior of the new model looks better, but I miss the faux wood grain applications that came with some color combinations, and doesn't in the '09. All '09s come with the brushed metal look. It's contemporary, but I prefer the older wood grain look.

    The biggest weakness of the interior is the modest rear seat leg room. It's rather tight back there, unless the front passengers put their seats up quite a bit.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    I should add that the wheelbase and overall length of the '09 TSX are 1 1/2 inches longer and 2 inches longer, respectively, than those of the '08 TSX. Also, the rear seat leg room of the TSX is slightly less than that of the Honda Civic (34.3 inches vs. 34.6 inches) and 1.8 inches less than the '08 Ford Focus 4 door. Further, the BMW 3-Series sedan provides .3 inches more leg room, despite being RWD and 8 inches shorter overall than the '09 TSX. These comparisons were made using Edmund's New Car Comparison Specs.

    Keep these comparisons in mind if you should try the back seat of the new TSX, and see if you don't agree that, given the increased size of the car, Acura should have provided rear seat passengers with greater leg room. The considerable increase in width of the new model doesn't compensate for the lack of more back seat legroom. It's disappointing.
  • dad23dad23 ColoradoMember Posts: 640
    I got to drive an 09 today during lunch, it was palladium metallic, auto with navi. Nice car, felt a little bigger than my 07 but not much, paddle shifters were nice but not as fun as the sportshift in my opinion, would have to get used to the squirrly steering, larger "rear end" but even more so as others have pointed out, the grill. It just looks too big for the car. It was nice, but nothing that would make me want to trade from my 07 which I think looks more sleek and sporty. My 2 cents :shades:
  • rv65rv65 Member Posts: 1,076
    There will be no turbo this time. A v6 is going to be the optional engine. Should be around 35k with tech package maybe more. Perhaps there will be no non tech package model like the 07-08 TL type-S. Diesel is all but confirmed for next year. The spyshots were actually that model.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    Ya, I think the front looks a bit different, and perhaps it all comes down to that grill, but I feel like Acura is trying to look futuristic, so keeping an open mind about it helps with understand where the design came from. I think if they tamed down the wing in the grill that holds the Acura logo it would look a bit better. Perhaps it is looking too much like other cars. I love the interior though, but it is quite busy when compared to the older TSX. That is the one thing I loved about the previous gen models of Accords and TSX, that they kept the interior simple and classy. But, that said, I still love the interior of this car! Looks like it really hugs the driver. Even with the grill being "Different", I would totally get one of these, Looks Awesome! I think it will grow on us all. But, worth it, I think the pricing is a bit too high, when compared to other cars that offer similar packages, but in my opinion, Honda/Acura is truly a Winner at creating amazing cars, and you simply cannot go wrong! Making the premium to get one these models totally worth it! I lease my cars, so in about 2-3yrs, I will have this on my list, along with the Honda line up! I am going to test drive one soon!
  • hp6130hp6130 Member Posts: 49
    On Tuesday of this week I was at the local Acura/Honda dealer (Reading, Pa.) to have the cracked fog lite repaired on my daughter's 08 TSX. I want to thank some of the people on this forum for helping us get it repaired one time under warranty as a good faith gesture. Two people suggested I try this, and it worked. The bill would have been close to $200. Thanks again. Now that we know how easy they crack, I plan on installing rockblocker on them. While I waited for the car, I asked Randy (salesman who sold her the TSX) how the new one's were selling. He said they sold about 6 of them already and they are selling close to MSRP. I knew he wasn't BS'ING me because she test drove a new 09 on 4/24. The cars just came in and they had about 10 09's in stock, they also had about 12 08's left. Believe it or not, she had to wait for the car to come back from a test drive, and after she was done, there was somebody waiting for her to get back. Some recession, people waiting in line to drive a $32,000 car. The car she took out, was dedicated as a demo by Acura on the window sticker. That is something I never saw before. Before her car was finished, I think I counted 4 09's and 3 08's left. Randy said they really blew out the 08's, I can understand that, but the 09's must really be selling also.
  • trustworthytrustworthy Member Posts: 10
    I am seriously considering buying a 2009 TSX with Nav. I have spoken to two dealers and they each want full MSRP, which I am unwilling to pay. Any predictions when the price will drop and by how much? Anyone buy one so far for under MSRP?
  • jfooljfool Member Posts: 15
    I got an internet quotes from a Northeast dealer:

    Internet Price:

    2009 TSX $28,333 incl. destination
    2009 TSX w/Navigation $31,333 incl. destination

    Hope it helps...

    (prediction: june-july, 2008: 2009 TSX at invoice)
  • trustworthytrustworthy Member Posts: 10
    Thank you jfool. That does help. The dealers in the DC area are greedy in my opinion. I now own a Mercedes and if they sold me a car they would gain a new customer but they are intent on full sticker price at a time when the car business is very weak. Maybe what I need is a little patience.

    The one thing I don't like about Acura is that the dealerships push more for sale than Mercedes dealers do. Walking in to Rosenthal Acura in Gaithersburg, MD is like walking into a cage with hungry animals who now see fresh meat. I guess this works for them or they wouldn't do it. But I don't like it.
  • patti6patti6 Member Posts: 2
    I just bought a 2009 with Nav. yesterday and paid sticker. Usually this dealer discounts their cars at the outset -- it's no haggle car buying, and I have always found them to be lower than surrounding dealers (I've bought three cars from them and always searched far and wide for a better price before committing and not found a better deal). I asked him why no discount this time, and he said that the car is so new and it's hard to get a good supply of them in yet, so they are selling at sticker. If I could have been patient and waited a few months when there are more available, I probably would have paid a little less. However, my Honda SUV was rapidly declining in trade-in value because the new model year is about to come out and there is a body style change; plus SUVs are not holding their value due to the gas prices. I have to say I have never been more excited about a car -- it was my Mother's Day present to myself. I am amazed by all the features and how well it drives.
  • trustworthytrustworthy Member Posts: 10
    Enjoy your new car! It's a great car; happy Mother's Day!! Waiting would have meant you would get less for your SUV. Drive it in good health.
  • patti6patti6 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks, trustworthy! Good luck in your search!
  • rv65rv65 Member Posts: 1,076
    Congrats on the new car purchase. Have a happy mothers day!
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    I don't think prices will drop that fast - by the end of the year, maybe, but not July. Heck, the cash back on 08s is on till 7/7.
  • roadkill1111roadkill1111 Member Posts: 2
    I test drove the tech model last night. Very nice. I went around and around with the dealer. 36 month lease, 12,000 mile and 2k down came back for $459/month. Got it down to $417. I counter offered $379 w/additional $500 dn and they prepay xm for 3 years (gotta try). They rejected and were willing to take the $500 more dn and reduce the pmt to $401. Seems crazy to me but with the base only going for $329/month that there shouldn't be that much of an increase in monthly pmt over $3k for the tech model.

    I was given 65% residual and a 2.6 money factor. I was also told the base residual is at 68%.
  • hipreckhipreck Member Posts: 67
    A tip when negotiating leases. Never negotiate payment. Negotiate the sale price of the car only.

    The money factor and residual are fixed. If you negotiate payment they can take you to the cleaners in a hurry.

    Calculating lease payments is then very simple. Remember that "down payment" is not really a down payment if you are paying for any taxes or acquisition fees. A true down payment on a lease is a cap cost reduction which directly impacts the monthly payment since it reduces the purchase price.

    Once you do all of this, the negotiations are very quick. You can even take a laptop in with the lease calculator in Excel to do the math quickly.
  • trustworthytrustworthy Member Posts: 10
    This is one of the reasons I prefer to buy. It is a simpler transaction and I am less tempted to buy a more expensive car than I can really afford.
  • roadkill1111roadkill1111 Member Posts: 2
    I thought they had a range for the residual and that's what they played with to get you in the car.

    How do you go about negotiating the price with a lease instead of the monthly payment. Do you reverse engineer the monthly payment (using the lease calculator) to find the price, then offer that amount? How do I know if there are any dealer incentives?

    The dealer also told me that the markup was only $900. I looked up the invoice and it was about $2,500 and I'm sure the dealer has manufacturer incentives as well.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Edmunds full test of the new TSX is very unflattering. In view of this, I'll be following the sales figures of this car with much interest. They'll say a lot about whether buyers of this car put more value on styling, options, and Acura's reliability than the driving experience, which isn't great, according to Edmunds.

    I hope the '09 TL fares better than the TSX.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaMember Posts: 12,726
    Holy Smokes! You weren't kidding! I saw your post and went to read the review:

    "To its credit, the redesigned 2009 Acura TSX doesn't try to hide its aversion to fast driving."

    Steering: "Worse, the new setup has an unsettling lack of predictability. It doesn't deliver a sense of secure stability when the TSX is pointed straight ahead on the freeway and it also takes too long for the power assist to drop away as your speed increases."

    Acceleration: "The 2009 Acura TSX is also an easy mark for almost any family sedan with a V6, especially when equipped with the five-speed automatic. We tested a TSX with the five-speed and its 0-to-60-mph time fell to 8.6 seconds (8.3 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). That's slower than all four of the family sedans in our last comparison test which included the Chevrolet Malibu, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima and Toyota Camry."

    Handling: "There's considerable body roll and the P225/50R17 Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 all-season tires run out of grip quickly. And the lack of steering feedback makes you feel like you're driving the 2009 TSX half-blind"

    "This has real consequences in the slalom, where the Acura averages only 64.1 mph, one of the slowest speeds we've recorded among current-day, premium-brand cars. It's 1.5 mph slower than a 3,600-pound Honda Accord EX-L V6. Even a Mitsubishi Lancer with a weakling 2.0-liter engine and a power-sapping continuously variable transmission beats the TSX through the cones with a 65.4-mph speed"

    Braking: "But this particular set of brakes for the 2009 Acura TSX isn't fully up to the task of stopping a 3,400-pound car"

    "The TSX won't stop any shorter from 60 mph than 127 feet, which is 14 feet farther than an all-wheel-drive Lexus IS 250 that weighs 100 pounds more (and costs the same). The TSX's brakes fade dramatically after just one stop, and there's smoke coming off the rotors by the third run. The car isn't happy. We're not happy"

    Wow. This might be a first for Honda, they have managed to design and build the antithesis of a driver's car. Worse yet, they have designated it an Acura, their "premium brand".

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    Hosts - the car has been out for a month, it doesn't need to be in the future section.
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    The residual depends on the mileage allowance (the higher the allowance the lower the residual) - but is fixed otherwise. Once the price is negotiated the lease payment is derived by simply plugging in the MF, residual and taxes into a lease calculator - all of which are fixed. As was mentioned, don't shop for a payment amount - shop for the lowest price on the car - you'll then get the lowest lease payment, whatever it might be.

    All maker's incentives are listed right here at Edmunds - there are no rebates on the 09.
  • hipreckhipreck Member Posts: 67
    Couldn't have said it better myself!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaMember Posts: 12,726
    May sales: "· Best-ever Acura TSX sales. Acura sold 4,564 units of the redesigned TSX, breaking the April 2006 record of 3,911 sold. TSX sales soared 53.7 percent ahead of last May's." d-in-may.html#more

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Those May TSX sales comparisons are very impressive. One month doesn't make a trend, though, so lets see what happens during the rest of the year, and to Acura Division sales overall. The launch of the '09 TL will have a significant effect on the Division's '08 sales, of course.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,519
    Aside from better mpg, I still see no real compelling reason to buy the '09 TSX over an '08 TL, nor over an '08 TSX (if there are any left) for that matter.
  • stones3131stones3131 Member Posts: 21
    I am no car expert at all, but I must say, I disagree with how this car is getting "bashed."

    First off, for someone who wants to make an entry into the "luxury" line of cars (lexus, acrua, infiniti, audi etc.) this car makes the choice easier for me.

    It's priced under $30k (w/out Nav), comes pretty loaded up with leather, sunroof and others. And I actually like the new style. I can't get a new Lexus IS, Infiniti G35, or Acura TL for less than $34k.

    Even though it's only a 4 cylinder, who cares? Doesn't that mean less gas consumption to some extent? The other cars I am considering is the 08 Accord and the 08 Maxima.

    Naturally the 08 Accord is "almost" the same interior and engine as the 09 TSX, but I think I might actually pay the extra money b/c I think the TSX looks better than the 08 Accord.

    I personally don't need speed at all, afterall, how fast can you actually go with other cars on the road?

    Anyway, I just wanted to throw my two cents out there. This coming from a novice when it comes to handling, steering and all that other stuff. I test drove the car for a half hour and thought the ride was quite nice.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaMember Posts: 12,726
    Oh, I agree that the ride is quite nice. What I would be curious to hear is your feedback to test drives of other cars in the TSX's class, some of which are cheaper. I am thinking here of Jetta GLI (now "Wolfsburg"), Volvo S40 turbo, Saab 9-3, ummm, what else? Audi A3 and A4, heck, the new Lincoln MKS too, although I am not sure that is a straight-across match in terms of size.

    I think you will find they are all nice rides, some can be had cheaper, and the German and Swedish turbos provide a rush that will make you forget that TSX in a heartbeat! ;-)

    Oh, and as for "Even though it's only a 4 cylinder, who cares? Doesn't that mean less gas consumption to some extent?"
    ..I can only say, yes, to some extent. However, Acura's own TL with 1/3 more power from a V-6 does only one or two points worse for fuel economy, and all the turbos I mentioned do the same as the TSX, but with more power and waaay more torque.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,519
    "I can't get a new Lexus IS, Infiniti G35, or Acura TL for less than $34k."

    I haven't checked out the US prices, but in Canada a few configurations of this IS250 are priced at or below the TSX. The IS250 is similar in power and speed, but offers the smoothness of a V6. And IMO, the Lexus looks better, and is more upscale.
  • rotaryrotary Member Posts: 71
    Wow. This is a shocker, because I think this is one of the last honest places to find objective and brutally honest reviews of cars, good and bad, and brutal to the TSX they were:
  • biker4biker4 Member Posts: 746
    That's pretty brutal - but I think many of the short comings will be overlooked by the target demographic. :shades:
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaMember Posts: 12,726
    I think you're right. And now, next up is the TL. I wonder how many creative ways they will manage to screw up THAT ONE this fall with the next generation of that model....and whether it will matter to the Acuraphiles. Clearly, they remain devoted fans of the brand despite the slash and burn the TSX has suffered.

    What sorta ticks me off is that they messed up all the best parts of the DRIVE in the TSX - handling, steering, making it porkier - and that's something that Acura never would have done ten years ago.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,519
    "...and whether it will matter to the Acuraphiles. Clearly, they remain devoted fans of the brand despite the slash and burn the TSX has suffered."

    Well, I can tell you it matters to this Acuraphile (me). I've driven almost exclusively Honda and Acura models all my life, and there is nothing in the Acura/Honda lineup that excites me right now. I thought they got it right with the current TL in terms of size and style, and the only thing missing was the SH-AWD. But it appears they have messed up the styling with the '09 and have made it porkier. It's going the way of the Maxima, which was also a model gone bad.

    Honda/Acura is not far behind Toyota/lexus on the snooze scale, IMO.
  • rotaryrotary Member Posts: 71
    I'm a Mazda fan, only because Acura has lost its way. Out of all the Japanese automakers, Mazda has stayed truest to its roots.

    I used to love the TSX and TL (I loved the Legend, too). I used to love Acura more than any other brand. BMW type handling and dynamics (feedback) even if fwd offerings, at better quality levels - amazing steering, great damping.

    It's bad enough Acura is straying from its driving dynamics roots, but what they've done to the new TSX is a sin.

    I think that TSX review is brutal, but honest. Something needs to change at Honda/Acura.

    Honda has even managed to ruin the Civic (if you watch Top Gear, you will know what I mean - the last gen Civic is superior to the new one).

    Nothing is sacred.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    I am seriously thinking of getting the TSX when my current lease is up, though not for a few years. I really love the futuristic look of the TSX. It might be a great car to add a hybrid option to it. It would certainly fit right in with its theme. I think that all cars these days have their own design flaws, but you look at them as a whole.

    but,for instance I do not care for the huge wing like logo on the front grill of the TSX, perhaps if they shrunk this down in size and lowered in down further in the grill, it would look more balanced. I just think that company's are stepping outside the box, which is good, and not trying to be the normal, ordinary car. After all we all want a unique car that does not look like the one next to you. but, with that said, we all have our own image of a good car and what makes a bad looking car.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,519
    I don't think the new TSX is a bad-looking car per se, just a bit of a yawner. Kinda of ho-hum. It does however look better in the flesh. But I think the old one looked edgier, more sporty. Now, if Acura puts a turbo diesel, or a hybrid as you mentioned in the TSX..... :shades:
  • rihoopsrihoops Member Posts: 91
    I have an 05 TSX that is fantastic. The new TSX looks better in my opinion. I'll drive it and I'll figure out the rest. The TSX diesel will be very nice.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Member Posts: 1,724
    I really want to test drive one right now, but the problem is, I would most likely be wishing I had one, so I won't quite yet. Not until later on, in my current lease. I love the interior of this car based on the pics, I want to sit in one. I have an Acura dealer about 1 hour away.
  • stones3131stones3131 Member Posts: 21
    My car is a week old and I gotta reiterate how much I love it. Granted the radio section is probably 100% the same as the Accord, but in my opinion, this new TSX looks WAAAYYY better than the Accord.

    When comparing which two cars to get (TSX or Accord), I never was truly sold on the design of the Accord. And I know how the "experts" trashed" the new TSX, but as an "amatuer" I love the car. I think it looks amazing, drives great, and has a ton of standard features.

    In fact, when I was in the decision process, I went to the Acura dealer first and saw the new TSX in person for the first time I was hooked right then. The pictures do this car no justice at all in my opinion.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Member Posts: 1,289
    What are people getting for gas mileage?
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Member Posts: 187
    I've had a opportunity to drive the 09 for aa week - 1300 miles - while my car is in the body shop. Overall I'd rate it pretty good. comfortable seats, decent ride & handling low 30's mpg at 65-70 on the road. Biggest problems is the center stack display screen; so much glare in any kind of light that it is unuseable;p and when you can see it, the display is so faint it's very difficult to read. Only other complaint is a few controls inconveniently located.

    Waiting for the diesel, and if they fix the glare problem I'd buy it.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    "...and whether it will matter to the Acuraphiles."

    As a TL owner, it'll certainly matter to me. If the reviews of the next ('09-??) generation TL are comparable to those of the '09 TSX, there's a high probability I'd switch brands.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Sorry, nippononly, for my unintentional omission of attribution for the comment I quoted in my previous message. It's from your message #65.

    Incidentally, while the reviews of the new TSX make it unappealing, I'll acknowledge that I like the exterior styling. As for the interior, I happen to prefer the woodgrain look to carbon fiber. I know that the carbon fiber look is more contemporary, but I like the warm feeling of wood, even if its really plastic, as long as it's not too fake looking. Maybe they should give buyers a choice. Despite my preference, carbon fiber wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'd even grow to like it, but it would be an acquired taste.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,519
    Now that I've seen a few more '09 TSX on the road, one thing I will say is that the '09 looks more upscale, albeit less edgy and less tidy and sporty.
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