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2009 Acura TSX

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  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    What's the latest eta for the diesel? 03/09?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    You asking me? I have no idea. Is it even confirmed a diesel is coming?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Does the TSX provides a visual and audible reminder if you drove off without releasing the parking brake, like the TL does?
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Might get a better idea toward the end of the year when the car show circuit starts - might debut at the Detroit show in Jan.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Thanks,man.
  • I've not seen any performance numbers on the automatic. The car mag reviews are always of the manual. For example, what is the 0-60 on the auto?
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Same ballpark as last gen - about 8+ sec.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,724
    Why would one want Diesel, if prices are higher than regular gas? The new Jetta, has a TDI diesel model out, its a bit bad timing. I would rather have a Hybrid option for this car, but of course, their is always a premium for it, and usually not worth the extra money, especially when leasing.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "Why would one want Diesel..."

    Much higher mpg, and low-end torque.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    You obviously have not heard of dealers asking 3K ABOVE MSRP for the new TDI Jetta. Those folks have done the math on mileage - unlike the great majority of Americans who only buy with a narrow minded "I only buy a car that runs on regular" the diesels today are less costly even after factoring in a diesel mark up (tho not the crazy above MSRP markup).

    The diesel fuel premium is around 10-15% (and should come down) while the mileage gains are around 20%.

    Do the math - on overall cost, a diesel almost always wins out while the same can't be said for hybrids.
  • flatsflats Posts: 44
    Check out this article on the diesel TSX. If you are not interested in what could be the most fuel efficient (including hybrids) car on the road, don't bother reading. :P
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/motoring/2004433293_dieselhonda23.html?syn- -
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    "The diesel fuel premium is around 10-15% (and should come down)"

    In the last year, gas prices are up 38% while diesel prices are up 65%. In the wake of those huge increases, gas use is DOWN at unprecedented rates of decline, and diesel use is...........STILL UP. Freight uses a lot of the stuff.

    Diesel prices are just going to keep going up, but they will fluctuate more than gas most likely.

    As such the Jetta TDI doesn't really pay off vs a Corolla or a Civic, but it does still pay off quite handsomely vs the underwhelming fuel economy of the gas Jetta 2.5.

    A diesel TSX would have no entry-lux competition - all the other models in its price range are non-hybrid, non-diesel. As such, I bet it will do quite well. Until someone wises up and offers a hybrid Lexus or Infiniti, and Mercedes offers a diesel C300. BMW has already announced the impending arrival of the diesel 3-series, which would admittedly be a lot more expensive than the TSX.

    But Volvo? Saab? Cadillac? Nothing. I assume there will be a Passat TDI not far behind the Jetta TDI, and that might provide the best competition of all for the TSX diesel.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    "A diesel TSX would have no entry-lux competition - all the other models in its price range are non-hybrid, non-diesel. As such, I bet it will do quite well."

    It seems you've changed your mind regarding the sales prospects for the new generation TSX. Unless I'm missing something, you've come around to pretty much agreeing about what I said several weeks ago. If course, fuel prices have risen considerably since you and I disagreed, so your current position better reflects the new economic realities.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    As such the Jetta TDI doesn't really pay off vs a Corolla or a Civic, but it does still pay off quite handsomely vs the underwhelming fuel economy of the gas Jetta 2.5.

    Yes, the comparison is only meaningful against the similar gas model - the same as you can't compare an E320CDI against an Accord.

    Demand for diesel will keep going up but I think there is some max markup that the refiners can get away with. The lack or refining capacity (especially for diesel) doesn't make the news as much as the lack of crude supply.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    I think the sticker numbers of the diesel TSX won't reflect that reality - it seems that Honda test numbers are always way below the actual numbers when it comes to fuel mileage. I expect the EPA sticker numbers to be about 26/38 (about 30% higher than the gasser) with reality closer to what the article mentioned.
  • flatsflats Posts: 44
    I am anxious to see what the final mpg numbers will be, as well as the remaining specs. I keep my cars for a long time, so I take into account the initial cost, insurance, repairs, mpg, etc. One of my current Acura's is rated 20/27, yet I always get 26/33+. So I tend to raise an eyebrow when it comes to the numbers we are given. I'll keep the diesel version of the TSX on my list. I'll reevaluate it when more details are released and crunch the numbers then.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    what the MSRP of the diesel TSX will be.
  • Car and Driver had the 190 hp Accord 4 at 8.2. I thought with the higher compression and lower gearing the numbers might be much better on the TSX.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think the Accord 4 has a lower curb weight though.
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    Nissan has announced they will put a diesel in the Maxima. Don't have any info on displacement, HP etc.
  • You are probably correct about the weight--actually, the gearing may be more similar than I thought. It seems to be much tamer in th auto than in the manual. As the manual was clocked at 6.7, that would be about a 1.5 second difference. I am surprised by the difference being that great.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I went for a 20-minute test drive of an auto TSX yesterday. I was pleasantly surprised by the low-end torque. It actually pulled quite nicely off the line, almost like it had a small V6. It was certainly better than the '04 TSX auto that I test drove. Compared to my TL, around town the TSX is not that much different in terms of power and quietness. It is like a baby TL. Unfortunately there is still a bit of torque steer. I think the V6 in the TL has better passing power. The TSX needs to kickdown a gear for passing oomph. But overall I was impressed, almost to the point where I would consider trading my '04 TL for one because I would essentially get the same or similar power, amenities, and poshness, but with better mpg. Actually the TSX has some nice features that my TL doesn't --- backup camera, TPMS, auto headlights, satellite radio, USB connector.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The base TSX does not come with fullly-automatic headlights. Does anyone know if it at least has auto-off headlights?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    As such the Jetta TDI doesn't really pay off vs a Corolla or a Civic, but it does still pay off quite handsomely vs the underwhelming fuel economy of the gas Jetta 2.5.
    Yes, the comparison is only meaningful against the similar gas model - the same as you can't compare an E320CDI against an Accord.

    Well there are many, including me, that would not agree that a Jetta/Civic comparison is the same as a E320/Accord comparison. But YMMV. ;-)

    Forgot about the Maxima - yup diesel version coming for CY 2009, will be more powerful than the one proposed for the TSX, IIRC. I do wonder if it won't actually be priced HIGHER than the TSX, and I doubt it will handle much better than a large luxo-barge either.

    hpmctorque: I forget if we were talking about sales prospects for ALL TSXs or just the diesels. I think the diesel will be almost in a class of one for a little while, while the gas models are overpriced or underdelivering, you pick.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Interesting perspective... I traded in my 00 TL for a new 08 TSX auto in April. I like the TSX much better than the TL. The TSX feels lighter and more agile. The handling is superior and the power feels nearly equal to the TL. This is why I am curious about the performance numbers for the auto. It feels nearly, although not quite, as quick as the TL. Granted the 04 TL was probably a significant power upgrade from the 00 version..
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I just realized that the TSX in the US, in addition to being about $7K cheaper than in Canada, also comes with no charge automatic! What kind of scam is Acura pulling on Canadians! :mad: :mad:
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    When you shift the auto transmission lever into "S", does that put it into manual mode in the sense that you have to use the paddle shifter to shift, or is it simply in a sport profile, with more aggressive shift points, but also allows you to shift manually?

    I know that's a confusing question, but I guess what I'm trying to ask is if the S mode is like BMW's steptronic, in which you can put it into sport mode, and if you don't shift manually, then it would still behave like a regular automatic, only with a more aggressive shift profile.
  • I can only speak for the 08 model--there is the fully automatic mode and the manual shift mode. There is no S mode that I am aware of. The manual shift mode requires you to change the gears.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Thanks. That's what I had suspected, although I was hoping the "S" denotes sport mode.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,600
    "hpmctorque: I forget if we were talking about sales prospects for ALL TSXs or just the diesels. I think the diesel will be almost in a class of one for a little while, while the gas models are overpriced or underdelivering, you pick."

    We were talking about all TSXs. My recollection of the context of our difference regarding sales of the new generation TSX was the following: We were both disappointed that size and weight increased, but we differed on sales projections.
    I believe you took the position that sales would be disappointing, while I argued that, despite the rather poor reviews, I thought that sales would be respectable.

    My reasons were that first year sales would be okay because its a new generation. Second year sales would get a boost from the diesel. Third year sales would probably be supported by a freshening and/or the addition of a turbo "S" choice. Finally, although fourth year (2012) sales would probably decline, Acura could introduce an attractive lease deal, or some other marketing ploy, to help sales.

    Time will tell how things turn out.
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