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For every manual we order, that is one automatic we can't order.
You might want to think about the resale later, down the road. Cars with sticks are much harder to sell as used cars.
However, IMO, there is a significant difference in these two cars, specifically related to the tranny. I drove both, and couldn't believe it was the same engine. The auto felt slow and the car fely heavy. With the manual, I thought there didn't seem to be any lack of power. Ity was smooth, and felt sporty. One of the other things, auto tranny's are becoming(or so it seems) more economical than the manual.
Drive them both, if you can find the manual, and if you still want the manual, find a dealer with one on order, and put your money on it.
However, Toyota still beat out Honda in the BIG picture!
(Money) they sold more cars.
Maybe, I'll look for a Toyota if I cant get a good deal for a Honda?
Its just a car and they have good resale value also.
Its just not worth listing to supply and demand BS anymore!
If you read about any Make of Honda in this forum besides the Accord, they just dont have any? BS
My guess they have a warehouse down the road and bring 1 or 2 up every time they sell one. Ha,Ha,
I did look out of state and the eastern states have 1000's . Maybe thats an option?
Honda has for the past few allocations kicked our manual orders...I don't know why, they just haven't produced the manuals in the quantites that we would like.
We get them in, they just trickle instead of flood.
Believe me, I am not one to jump on the band wagon and buy the latest thing out regardless of price. I would much rather wait and get the same car a yr later for a lot less than others. But that simply won't happen with the Honda Civic. Think about the Mazda3. They are only now giving discounts of approx. $1000-1500 off MSRP(2.3L). It has been out almost 2 yrs now. Do you se any Mini Cooper S cars discounted? I didn't think so. Try to buy a used one for a deal. Probably won't happen either.
My point is that there are certain vehicles that have such a following that the dealers don't need to discount them. This is the case(IMO) with the civic, at least certain models. And the reason, not BS, is supply and demand. Demand for whatever reason. In this case, because Honda did it right, and people are noticing, especially with the gas prices like they are.
It doesn't mean they are gold(which is also at a high). But you can't expect to get this car for invoice. Be happy to get a decent amount below MSRP. You can't blame Honda for not selling these cars for well over invoice, but we, as consumers are the ones ultimately who decide what the value is. So, go out there and bargain, or walk out of a few. Ultimately, you might just help the demand go down as well as the price.
The Civic is a far better perfomer with the manual as I tested both transmissions last week.
It seems the first allocation of Fits had a decent percentage of manuals. I hope it continues as I continue to debate between a manual Civic EX Sedan and a manual Fit Sport.
I have bought personally, 6 different 2006 Honda Civics for myself or other people. My math works. My math works every single time. Without exception.
If you are in the car business, I have no respect for your advice. If you are a fellow car enthusiast not in the business, may I invite you to study my math.
Best to you in Honda Civics. JPH
+ $1239 (tax TX)
= $21067(total price not including tag and licence)
$21067>$20000(your price with math done correctly)
If you have a college degree I ahve no respect for the school where you went. You stated not to buy that specific car for more than $20K. Yet you contradict yourself with your total plus tt&l.
Why don't you enlighten us as to what dealerships are giving these cars away to you. I don't believe any Honda dealerships(unless the owner is your father-in-law) will discount their kick back on a civic right now. I wonder if Isellhondas would agree with me.
I have done nothing but let others be realistic in their endeavors. If you are telling people they can get these cars for kickback minus invoice plus 5%, then you should also tell them where they can get them. It won't happen in Dallas! Most dealers are doing exactly like Vandergriff, which is adding accessories and marking them above MSRP.
Invoice 18982
- 3% holdback -622
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dealer "cost" 18,360
your +5% deal 19,278
+ destination fee 550
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19,828
+ tag, title, reg in TX
+ TX sales tax
DO NOT pay more than 20,000!!!
Ritlin: I copied and pasted from the posting; I fail to see your question.
19,828
+ TTL
+TX sales tax
=??????????? OTD (out the door)
I live in Florida. I cannot speak for Texas demand for cars but I would not hesitate to travel to a small dealer to get the deal I want.
Now, 4/25, is an excellent time of the month to shop. Dealers stretching for volume bonus goals will deal. For example, if a dealer is not close to a volume bonus goal, they will not deal the last days of the month. If a dealership is stretching for a goal, they will deal. I recall allowing cost deals to achieve volume levels for bonuses back in the day. At the end of some months, I nearly prayed for customers to buy cars for deals to move them. Remember, I never paid cost, I financed floorplan (inventory) at about $170 a month on an $18,000 car. A combination of luck and timing is needed and you will find this going to and offering deals to many different dealerships. Each one is different in how they are managed and where their monthly sales volume stands.
Cost + 5% deals are out there with persistence and an understanding that you must go through the numbers to find them. A car is one of the biggest purchases people make so it's worth the effort.
JPH
I agree that timing is very important, but, as we can see, if you don't act quick enough, there can be an increase in price as there was with the civic back in March. I was able to buy a 2006 Dodge Charger(certified used) for less than invoice just because it was the last day in the quarter. So, I understand. Your numbers aren't that far from reasonable, especially when you consider special circumstances, but that is probably what it will take to get that deal.
I was saying that in your math(including taxes) that car is over $21k! Your figures are around $1500 under MSRP including destination. But, I don't think it is realistic to think a dealer will discount his kick back. It is good to know about the kick back so when the dealer says "I'm losing money on this deal" that we, as consumers. know that he really isn't, even when he turns around his monitor to show you that negative figure!
I have just one question for you or anyone out there. My salesman says that documentation is $400 and includes dealer prep. But he is the kind of guy who sounds vague and claims to not know much about the details (yeah, I really believe that). And he is out of town for a couple more days. I had been thinking dealer prep was something else in addition to documentation. I just want to know what the real deal is, or should be. If we are talking $400 and not $950 ($400 documentation plus $550 dealer prep), I will be jumping on this one. Even with $400 to $500 dealer prep and $218 Florida tag, title and registration, I will likely jump on it.
Ritlin and others following this posting: I posted for the first time somewhere after March 15 when my wife knew what she wanted to drive and told me to buy it.
I am about out of things to write about at this point in time. I listed many topics with insight about the entire buying process including my specific deal, it will give many who do the research excellent background material about how to pay a fair price for a Civic sedan or coupe (not an Si or Hybrid). I read ALL Honda Civic postings from the beginning from people buying 2006 cars, thanks to all who posted.
I hope something I wrote helped somebody in the buying process. I wish success to all future purchasers of these fine cars.
JPH
Dealerships usually deal in % not $ off MSRP. Some really old school car men used dollars but most are long gone now from the business. You will get a better deal using % and showing them your % deal above cost. Change the focus from $ off for you to % profit for them, see what I mean? You'll want to work in % UP from invoice, never DOWN from MSRP, especially if dealing in $ off MSRP.
If you are loyal and wait for a particular salesman to get your deal, he owes you! Tell him that or walk. Your walking away after he's worked with you for the deal is your greatest leverage and few buyers recognize this.
Heads up: You'll need that deal you are trying to beat by $300 in writing. If you have it in writing, great for you! If not, it's more rhetoric on their part trying to maximize their profits at your expense.
Good luck, it's a really great car. JPH
I agree with the walk thing. In fact, I have said it a couple of times in my past entries as well. Actually, I agree with most all of what you have said in the past couple entries. As I have said, I am a consumer learning by keeping my ears open and trial and error(less on trial and error as I get older).
As far as the "beat any other deal" remarks? They are mostly B.S. You call it rhetoric, but let's face it, it helps define how most dealers do business-by lying to consumers so they can get them in to the dealership and pressure them in to ripping them off.
I can tell you know your way around a dealership and I think you may have even stated being a salesperson. From what you have said here, you are probably one of the few honest ones around. So, I am sure there are many who appreciate your advice. I will be looking for you when the 2008 Accords come out. I will not have a laptop fpr a while after this, so, I too, will not be on anymore. I hope this helps someone save some cash.
2) Also, does anyone have information as to any possible Memorial Day "sales" or 4th of July "sales"? Any rebates coming or deals on financing?
3) Also, what's the best place to finance? Is www.eloan.com any good?
There are plenty of forums to discuss general opinions on pricing and buying strategies..
And.. when I write: "I'd appreciate it"... what I really mean is: "Future off-topic posts will be deleted without notice".
regards,
kyfdx
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First of all, there are hardly any NAVI Civics out there!
The dealer invoice has NOTHING to do with what the cars sell for! The MARKET dictates that!
I wished I had a group of salesman with me as passionate as you.
Best to you in sales, JPH
Oh, and my civic Si rocks. If anyone wants to know specifics, just ask.
David
Toyota overcharges you on their accessories.
Yes, would love to read how your deal went. I posted mine on 3/27/06 or so. You might want to have as a basis for your deal. Have fun.
jph, you were more than kind to Isellhondas. I would have told him that this forum is for buyers to relate their buying experiences and prices paid. A dealer or Honda salesman would seem to more properly be on some other forum. Buying experience and prices paid seems to me to be plain enough English, even in Lebanese.
AMEN!!
Thanks!!
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Unit price: 18,265
Freight: 550
Total unit price: 18,815
Splash Guards: 134
Total Vehicle Price: 18,949
NJ sales tax: 1,136.94
Motor Vehicle tire fee: 7.50
Title & Registration: 239
Documentary fee: 167.50
Grand total: 20,499.94
I used Edmunds to get a internet quote which I received the same day.
I pick it up on Saturday.
thanks.
I have not got an official OTD price but I know the dealership and they are reputable so I am 99% confident that it wil be the $19,210 (or whatever we settle on) plus TTL. I made sure they would NOT put any options or accessories on it when it got there.
Does this look and sound good?
I have learned a great deal over the last few days. I've owned both a Prelude and Accord - back in the day, but this will be my first Honda purchase in probably 9 or 10 years.
Thanks for your help and all your advice.
$18,995 With Destination was my offer. (friend of a friend was sales manager)
$949.75 MA Tax 5%
$86.00 Title and Reg
$130.00 misc fee for vehicle prepping, sticker, registering at dealer etc
$20160 OTD
I had a sales manager friend search all over new england for this car WITH navi for about a month, but thats like impossible, cuz all the navi's are in the sedans. I even waited until the middle of the month so i can order one and he still couldnt get one with navi for me. so i settled for the white one without navi, and that took about another 2 weeks for a WHITE EX one. Civics are in demand lately cuz of the gas prices and the so called "Car of the year" bla bla.. so whoever wants one better get it before the price will go up, cuz they are already. hope this helps, cuz the other posts helped me before i got it.
$45.00 Doc.
$1318 CA. tax
$179 title and Reg.
$8.75 Tire [whatever that is]
Total: $19381.75
Oakland Honda
Good experience, little BS. I think it was clear I knew what I wanted and what I should be expected to pay for it. I got a quote from a salesman in another town, took that to Oakland and they beat it by a lot. Based on my research here I knew if I really wanted to bang on the table I might get another hundred or so out of them but, it didn't seem worth it. They treated me very well and made me a fair offer, why should I turn around and harass them to save, what, another 3 bucks a month? Nah, life's too short.
I would suffer another huge traffic jam to work with them again.
$15450
$550 destination charge.
$268.30 reg/doc fee
Total = 16268.30
NO TAX b/c my trade in value was more than what this car was worth...
If they do, then buy it.
Could you tell me which dealer in the Portland area you are looking at for this Civic and where you got your Accord?
We are in the market for an Accord and would appreciate your input into which dealer(s) you've found have good prices, are honest, and that you would use again.
Thanks,
GregB
18263 - sale price (incld dest)
45 - doc fees
191.75 - DMV fees
1602 - tax
20102 - OTD car price
1000 - 72 month/100,000 miles platinum warranty
21102 - total OTD price
Paid cash at Dublin Honda, didn't have to haggle but came prepared. Outstanding service, email me for salesman's name, really great experience...
The best price I've seen so far on the EX-5M civic came from Capitol Honda, in Salem I think. I will take the best price back to Kendall once again, and if they don't beat it, Salem isn't very far...
Cars.com sends an e-mail to 3-4 dealers, and I use that as leverage with the local guy. The lowest price is in McMinville, over 100 miles from my house, so if I had any issues, I'd like the local dealer to deal with. Kendall in Eugene can be a real pain to negotiate with, so I get a quick quote on line, and have them beat it(worked on the '04 EX-V6 I bought 2 years ago).