This is taken from Kelly Blue Book. Both cars with 60000miles the same model and everything else is the same. The difference is about $1000 after 4 years. You could not make this type of comparison is it was a model year change, however, it was little chage from the 2004 and 2005.
___Looking at it from a used car to slightly older used car w/ the same amount of miles perspective, the newer model usually does not pay for itself at trade-in/sale time according to the following.
KBB - Private Party:
2003 Accord EX V6 w/ Auto and NAVI - Good condition and 35,000 miles: $18,130 2004 Accord EX V6 w/ Auto and NAVI - Good condition and 35,000 miles: $19,055
___Do your own analysis for an 00 vs. 01 or 01 vs. 02 etc. on what the new 04 or new 05 decision might be worth more then just 1 year down the line. The delta will probably decrease over time making the 1 yr. older Accord an even better deal as time goes by. I used higher mileage for both Accords (35,000) to simulate more then just a 1 year out automobile. YMM definitely Vary however.
That's helpful and shows why it's better for most people to skip the mad rush to get leftover 2004s because most of the 2005s extra cost will be returned unless the car is driven until its wheels fall off.
In addition, the 2005s are building inventory at dealers and there should be plenty of choices for models and colors.
The 2005 Accord LX and DX are MUCH better cars for 2005 because they have standard side curtain airbags which weren't available last year on those models. The '05s also have illuminated steering wheel controls.
Unless you can get an '04 for at least $2000 less than a 2005, you're better off buying the newer one in my opinion......Richard
Thanks for the replies. It was too good to be true--although that price was for a sedan, it was manual. The dealer is in SC. I've changed my mind though, we are going to go for the Navigation System. I'll post separately about that.
We've decided we like the Navigation system enough to pop for it. Can anyone now share with me their best deals on a 2005 automatic EX-L (4 cylinder) with NAV? So far, dealers are only agreeing to match carsdirect at $24,683. Does anyone have any advice about whether it would be a good idea to wait a month or two for the price to drop? Will it drop that much?
I just bought a graphite '04 EX leather coupe 5-speed, my first new Honda. After weeks of research, lurking here and absorbing advice, I was ready. Thanks to Edmunds and all involved in this list.
I went for $20,250 + TTL and $102 in associated fees. Pohanka in Marlow Heights, MD (DC area). Very pleasant buying experience. Over $500 under my other bids. I shopped in the MD/DC/VA/PA area.
pad, I recommend this car. As of 9/24 there was a sapphire blue model at Northwest in Owings Mills, MD and a silver at O'Donnell in Ellicott City. Where are you looking?
danchoi, did you also shop DC/Baltimore area? I was told I got one of the last manual models in the mid-Atlantic (probably an exaggeration, but they are scarce).
I just got a quote for a graphite 04 Accord EX A/T with side curtain airbags: $20,000+TTL. Is that a fair price? From the posts I read, most people are getting their '04 Accord for about $1000 less than the invoice, which in my case shall be $19500. BTW, this is from Houston area dealer I am also wondering what the dashboard looks like in the graphite EX: metal-like or wood-like plastic? Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot! I was actually thinking it was a good deal before reading your post. BTW, where is the dealer you got the quote from? I live in Texas, will that make a difference? Thanks again!
ajkivi, yes, i shopped in the dc/balt area and germantown honda was the lowest i found. i was also told that the manual ex-L was becoming very scarce in the region. but your price for 20,250 is awesome. i thought mine for 20,700 was good. what was your on the road price? seems like its better to buy from md rather than va when shopping in the northern va area, simply because va dealers charge a ridiculous processing fee ($300?)
I am in the NE, thus i'm not familiar with the Texas market and who are the most agressive dealers, but there must be some hungry sales managers looking to hit their sales targets for the month of sept in these next few days.
Even if you go to 19,500 + TTL i'd say thats fair, but draw the line there, unless you really want the car.
___When or if I do ever do decide to pick up an Accord EX-L w/ or w/out NAVI, how are PZEV’s differentiated in NY, VT, ME, and MA? Are all Accord’s sold in those states PZEV’s or is it a special order? In California, I believe there is a $135.00 up charge (well worth it for the extended emissions warranty and PZEV emissions imho) but I don’t know how they are sold in the other green states listed above.
___With that, since I cannot purchase a PZEV here in Illinois, I would like to purchase one (Accord I4 Sedan w/ Auto - EX-L w/ NAVI in PZEV format) from a large dealership in NY when the time comes as it is the closest state to my locale. Is there any large Honda dealerships in Western NY state that are known to discount like the larger dealerships here in the Chicago area? 04’s for Invoice or less were advertised in the Chicago Tribune from Grandhonda.com for literally weeks. There has to be a similar large dealership in the NY area I could pick one up for the same at some future point in time. My wife has always wanted to visit Maine and Vermont so maybe I could make a rail trip with her and drive a PZEV home from either of those 2 sates as another thought?
When I compared dealer invoice prices on various 04 models, I noticed the $135 difference across the board for PZEV. Shopping in NY and MA I seem to recall finding a scattering of PZEV's, but the majority were ULEV's. I hear that NY is adopting the CA air quality standards in 06, and that new cars sold after the effective date (1/1/06 ?) will be required to satisfy the PZEV standards.
Out of curiosity, what is the extended emissions warranty for PZEV?
The trees in northern Vermont are only starting to turn color now. Someone local may have a better prediction, but I'd imagine October 20 or so would be glorious. And a little hard to find a place to stay, at least on a weekend. I'd also imagine there aren't many high-volume dealerships in VT, NH or ME, so you might not get the best available price there. A train to NYC might be a better alternative.
But you can check for yourself. Type in the zip codes for Brattleboro and Portland at hondacars.com and call the dealers to negotiate a price. Compare with the dealers in Greenwich (CT) and New Rochelle (NY), then decide.
I'm hoping someone will still answer my question on the price for a 2005 automatic EX-L with NAV. Edmunds doesn't list invoice, and I think their TMV is way too high. I've just gotten a dealer to agree to 23,900 and change for this. I think this will be my best deal, but would love to hear from anyone who got it for less!
sorry, this was me being dumb as it was too early in the morning for me to be at work.
2 door, 4 cylinder, automatic. 2005 EX-L, no nav, no add-ons of any kind. Just trying to find out the prices that people have paid for such a vehicle in the NJ area.
alternately, if dropping fog lights into the car, what's a good price to expect for those?
Just picked up a Graphite Pearl '05 EX-V6 Sedan for $25039 + TTL. I found a couple of other dealers who were willing to match the price. So, I would think that you diehard negotiators out there should be able to get one for even less.
I got a quote on a 04 Accord LX with Auto for $17590 included Destination charge. Is this a good deal in Boston area? I am wondering what people in the area paid for the similar model.
Yes it includes destination charge. Just tell the dealer you refuse to pay it. I had some dealers mentioning that and blah blah. Show em the money and they will be willing to let go at this time of the month. Also vehix has the prices for 05 Honda. They maybe 1 to 1.5 % lower than the invoice price since honda raised 05 prices by 1.5%
hi all,,,i was wondering if this is a good quote,,,,2005 ex v6 auto ,with no add on... for 25288.53,,,he said it below edmunds price by $1400.00... the invoice price didn't appear yet so im not sure....ps and the msrp is 26,800...and another question why is the seden cost lower than the coupes???tmv price for the coupes is 27.213,,,,,,sedan tmv 26,600,,,,so if post#5581 got his for 25.000 something including ttl for a sedan then 25,288, is a great price for a coupe,,,right,,,,i will try to tell them to add ttl
I got a quote on an 04 EX-L sedan 4cyl manual for $20,600. I'm seeing posts from people who are doing better for automatics. I would think I could do better on a manual since they are not in as high demand as the automatics and I would think the dealers would want to get rid of them. Any thoughts? Also, can anyone tell me who some of the bigger volume dealers are in the CT,MA,and RI area? I'm in CT and I'm not finding many dealers around here with any 04's left. Thanks.
oh really ,,let me go check that out ,,,and (doc) which mean ???????? distination or dealer fee???... not sure,,,he didn't mention it ,,i ask... but i got check out carsdirect.com,,,,and just wanted to say thanks on your fast replies (bamacar)
___Thank you for the PZEV information. So you can pick up a PZEV form any NY state dealership and it is only a $135 up charge as well then.
___The warranty for emissions HW on a PZEV goes out 15 years/150,000 miles. From O2 sensors all the way to replacement of the dual CATS are covered and if you have ever had to have a CAT replaced, the $135.00 is nothing by comparison besides the fact you have a cleaner emitting automobile then even a Hybrid when total lifecycle emissions are considered and depending on what kind of mileage you receive.
I closed on my 04 accord w/leather navi xm radio for a total of $27,249. I think I may have been able to save another 1000 but the guy i dealt with (a car broker) did all the leg work got everything i needed and I'm very happy considering dealers in my area are still asking 28+. It should be delivered to the house tomorrow evening after work. Can't wait. Happy hunting everyone. See you in about 5-8 years
A co-worker of mine is in the market for a 04 Accord LX manual or automatic. Got an offer for $16,800 for the manual and $17,500 for the automatic. This price does include destination but not the dealer doc fee of $299.
Just drove home in my first new accord. '04 EX, 4 cyl, A/T, with full side curtain air bags. I got prices ranging from 20,000 to 22,900 plus TTL. Found the color I wanted - graphite pearl - for 20,200. But the dealer fee to register was substantially less than some other locations. The low price dealer wanted $250 to register the car, over the state fees. My dealer charged $25 for the same service. Quite reasonable, I believe. I've been driving Toyotas for years, but this car really handles great and you can feel the road. If you're used to a 6 cyl, I'd buy the 6, but if you're used to a 4 cyl, this car seems to have more pep than most other 4 cyl.
Hi, I am also considering to buy a exact same Accord as yours. Right now, I am torn between the exterior color of silver and graphite pearl. Since you bought the graphite pearl, could you tell me how the interior of your car looks like? Thanks!
The graphite pearl has the two-tone gray interior. The top part of the dash and the doors is a dark gray/black while the lower part of the dash, the lower part of the doors, and the seats are a light gray. It's this color combo ..
Got my '04 LX Sedan/Auto (NO side airbag) w/ 7yr warranty for 19.5K (Drive-Out)
2004 Honda Accord LX 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 5A) (NO side airbag) - 7 yr/100K honda care warranty (zero-dollar deductible) - TInted window
which I bought last night (9/30) @ David McDavid in Houston
First of all, I would like to thank everybody who had contributed many purchasing experience in this forum. In return I like to do the same thing and hope people can be benefit from mine as well.
#################################################THere is my story, this is my second honda I will purchase in my life and I think I could claim I have a bit expeirence of how to deal with the hungry dealers. (sorry, I just speaking from the customer point of view - always try to be a educated customer everyday) I have started doing the pricing research last week since I was told there is a 1K discount going on in the dealership.
#################################################[When you are ready] 1) Start the buying process, emailing all the local dealers saying that you are looking. (I sent mine out this tuesday) 2) Replying all the internet department of the local dealers and telling them EXACTLY what car and what other option I want (no more and no less) and how much you are offering to them (again the Drive-Out Price)
((17K-1K) + TTL) + warranty + tint .. the total will be around 20K
In my case, I learnt the following from my reasearch - 2004 Honda Accord LX 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 5A) (NO side airbag) - 1K discount avilable (off the invoice)
- the warranty is around 900-1100 - window tint costs around 200
the total will be around 20K
David Mcdonald @ Houston replied me yesterday afternoon and told me they can do 19995 (Drive-out price). I told him I am ready to buy it and get my car ready for me. IN my mind, I know I can get a cuple hunderd off while I start the face-face neigatoring process.
#################################################[Right before showing up the dealership] Before I go to the dealer, I am telling myself and what my target bottom price is (19.5 is my case) and the "backup" plan (I went to Gillman a day before and the best price they can do is around 20K)
Right after I arived, I showed him my checkbook and tell him I am a servous buyer who is ready for the cheapest deal he can offer. After checking the inventory, he showed me what the car availble and I have picked the color (dont really care) and its omemter (very important. mine only has 7). I have noticed they have a lots in stock compared to other local dealerships. I know that I might get a bigger discount (simple supply-demand theory)
In the 1st round, I gave him 19.3K (just throwing him a ridicious number :P (which says the sale-price is basically less than 17) and he walked back and talked to his manager and counter-offer me 19.5).. at that monent, I started smiling in head and I knew that the "negotiable range" is down to >100.
IN the 2nd round, I told him I will do 19.5 if they can throw-in mud guard (its invoice around 100) and I am ready to write him a check. he again went back to talk to his manager and he said he can;t do it. then we started BS-ing for next 10 minutes (that is the standard standoff period of negotiation), all the sudden, I offered him I will take it if the final final DOP 19.4K OR [19.5K w/ 1st yr oil change free. (3 coupons around 100)].
Finally, his boss came out and seal the deal with the 2nd option. I know they will take that because those are in non-itemizable in the actual purchase order (std. option and warranty do). so as the tinted window. The rest is just the paper works, one thing I would like to mention is my actual purchase order shows only 2 items (sale price of the car showns (17020) + dest. charge+ TTL ) & warranty (995). (the tint and the oil-change coupons just the off-the-record deals)
#################################################[my Afterthought and Tips] 1) Research!!Research!!Reasearch!! (use this forum/list and get the price and general market information....what option you need !?.. what is the bottom price you will 'pull-the-trigger'?!)
2) buy it toward the end of the month(/quarter) (I am the last customer to walk away the dealership this Qtr :P)
3) show them that you are a severious buyer ( I was liternally carrying my checkbook and told the dealer I amready to write a check if "the price is right")
4) always negotiate with Drive-out PRICE OR OUT-THE-DOOR price !!!!!!! (VERY IMPORTANT) always negotiate the Drive-out price (it is waste of time to get a good sale-price for the car and realize the option is expensive later on; I got scammed by the Other dealership (in Gillman) finance dude who gave me a 1.4K for the warrarnty day before !! )
#################################################
Again Thanks to Edmunds and all involved in this list. --cn
"Always try to be an educated customer everyday!!"
Comments
11375 2000 60000
1004 Difference
This is taken from Kelly Blue Book. Both cars with 60000miles the same model and everything else is the same. The difference is about $1000 after 4 years. You could not make this type of comparison is it was a model year change, however, it was little chage from the 2004 and 2005.
___Looking at it from a used car to slightly older used car w/ the same amount of miles perspective, the newer model usually does not pay for itself at trade-in/sale time according to the following.
KBB - Private Party:
2003 Accord EX V6 w/ Auto and NAVI - Good condition and 35,000 miles: $18,130
2004 Accord EX V6 w/ Auto and NAVI - Good condition and 35,000 miles: $19,055
___Do your own analysis for an 00 vs. 01 or 01 vs. 02 etc. on what the new 04 or new 05 decision might be worth more then just 1 year down the line. The delta will probably decrease over time making the 1 yr. older Accord an even better deal as time goes by. I used higher mileage for both Accords (35,000) to simulate more then just a 1 year out automobile. YMM definitely Vary however.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
In addition, the 2005s are building inventory at dealers and there should be plenty of choices for models and colors.
The 2005 Accord LX and DX are MUCH better cars for 2005 because they have standard side curtain airbags which weren't available last year on those models. The '05s also have illuminated steering wheel controls.
Unless you can get an '04 for at least $2000 less than a 2005, you're better off buying the newer one in my opinion......Richard
Thanks
22900 (selling price)
1603 (sales tax)
64 (registration, lien fee, processing)
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24567 Total/Out the door
Thanks as always!
I went for $20,250 + TTL and $102 in associated fees. Pohanka in Marlow Heights, MD (DC area). Very pleasant buying experience. Over $500 under my other bids. I shopped in the MD/DC/VA/PA area.
pad, I recommend this car. As of 9/24 there was a sapphire blue model at Northwest in Owings Mills, MD and a silver at O'Donnell in Ellicott City. Where are you looking?
danchoi, did you also shop DC/Baltimore area? I was told I got one of the last manual models in the mid-Atlantic (probably an exaggeration, but they are scarce).
I am also wondering what the dashboard looks like in the graphite EX: metal-like or wood-like plastic? Thanks a lot!
20000 is too high.
There is 1000 dealer cash.
Tell your dealer he must go lower (into holdback) if he wants your business and that you will buy before the end of the month (sept).
The dealers bottom line cost on that car is about 700 less
Even if you go to 19,500 + TTL i'd say thats fair, but draw the line there, unless you really want the car.
Good luck
I paid $18600 for an 05 LX 4dr AT, on sunday.
Herb Chambers
You were wise to skip the mad rush to find a nominally discounted 2004 LX--especially because the 2005 LX has side curtain airbags standard.
Curtain airbags were not available at all on LXs in 2004, and they are a safety feature well worth having. Enjoy! ......Richard
___When or if I do ever do decide to pick up an Accord EX-L w/ or w/out NAVI, how are PZEV’s differentiated in NY, VT, ME, and MA? Are all Accord’s sold in those states PZEV’s or is it a special order? In California, I believe there is a $135.00 up charge (well worth it for the extended emissions warranty and PZEV emissions imho) but I don’t know how they are sold in the other green states listed above.
___With that, since I cannot purchase a PZEV here in Illinois, I would like to purchase one (Accord I4 Sedan w/ Auto - EX-L w/ NAVI in PZEV format) from a large dealership in NY when the time comes as it is the closest state to my locale. Is there any large Honda dealerships in Western NY state that are known to discount like the larger dealerships here in the Chicago area? 04’s for Invoice or less were advertised in the Chicago Tribune from Grandhonda.com for literally weeks. There has to be a similar large dealership in the NY area I could pick one up for the same at some future point in time. My wife has always wanted to visit Maine and Vermont so maybe I could make a rail trip with her and drive a PZEV home from either of those 2 sates as another thought?
___Thanks in advance for any and all replies.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Out of curiosity, what is the extended emissions warranty for PZEV?
The trees in northern Vermont are only starting to turn color now. Someone local may have a better prediction, but I'd imagine October 20 or so would be glorious. And a little hard to find a place to stay, at least on a weekend. I'd also imagine there aren't many high-volume dealerships in VT, NH or ME, so you might not get the best available price there. A train to NYC might be a better alternative.
But you can check for yourself. Type in the zip codes for Brattleboro and Portland at hondacars.com and call the dealers to negotiate a price. Compare with the dealers in Greenwich (CT) and New Rochelle (NY), then decide.
2 door, 4 cylinder, automatic. 2005 EX-L, no nav, no add-ons of any kind. Just trying to find out the prices that people have paid for such a vehicle in the NJ area.
alternately, if dropping fog lights into the car, what's a good price to expect for those?
What about dealer fees?
Edmunds doesn't have invoice price for 05 yet, anyone know what's the invoice price for 05 LX? Thanks.
Hope this helps. Good luck!
Thanks in advance!
Also vehix has the prices for 05 Honda. They maybe 1 to 1.5 % lower than the invoice price since honda raised 05 prices by 1.5%
for an 04 LX Auto in NJ.
___Thank you for the PZEV information. So you can pick up a PZEV form any NY state dealership and it is only a $135 up charge as well then.
___The warranty for emissions HW on a PZEV goes out 15 years/150,000 miles. From O2 sensors all the way to replacement of the dual CATS are covered and if you have ever had to have a CAT replaced, the $135.00 is nothing by comparison besides the fact you have a cleaner emitting automobile then even a Hybrid when total lifecycle emissions are considered and depending on what kind of mileage you receive.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Ralph
2005 Honda Accord 2.4 LX 4dr Sedan (Graphite Pearl color) in NYC area.
Anybody can recommend some dealer?
Thanks, Vlad
my '04 LX Sedan/Auto (NO side airbag) w/ 7yr warranty for 19.5K (Drive-Out)
2004 Honda Accord LX 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 5A) (NO side airbag)
- 7 yr/100K honda care warranty (zero-dollar deductible)
- TInted window
which I bought last night (9/30) @ David McDavid in Houston
First of all, I would like to thank everybody who had contributed many purchasing experience in this forum. In return I like to do the same thing and hope people can be benefit from mine as well.
#################################################THere is my story, this is my second honda I will purchase in my life and I think I could claim I have a bit expeirence of how to deal with the hungry dealers. (sorry, I just speaking from the customer point of view - always try to be a educated customer everyday) I have started doing the pricing research last week since I was told there is a 1K discount going on in the dealership.
#################################################[When you are ready]
1) Start the buying process, emailing all the local dealers saying that you are looking. (I sent mine out this tuesday)
2) Replying all the internet department of the local dealers and telling them EXACTLY what car and what other option I want (no more and no less) and how much you are offering to them (again the Drive-Out Price)
((17K-1K) + TTL) + warranty + tint .. the total will be around 20K
In my case, I learnt the following from my reasearch
- 2004 Honda Accord LX 4dr Sedan (2.4L 4cyl 5A) (NO side airbag)
- 1K discount
avilable (off the invoice)
- the warranty is around 900-1100
- window tint costs around 200
the total will be around 20K
David Mcdonald @ Houston replied me yesterday afternoon and told me they can do 19995 (Drive-out price). I told him I am ready to buy it and get my car ready for me. IN my mind, I know I can get a cuple hunderd off while
I start the face-face neigatoring process.
#################################################[Right before showing up the dealership]
Before I go to the dealer, I am telling myself and what my target bottom price is (19.5 is my case) and the "backup" plan (I went to Gillman a day before and the best price they can do is around 20K)
Right after I arived, I showed him my checkbook and tell him I am a servous buyer who is ready for the cheapest deal he can offer. After checking the inventory, he showed me what the car availble and I have picked the color (dont really care) and its omemter (very important. mine only has 7). I have noticed they have a lots in stock compared to other local dealerships. I know that I might get a bigger discount (simple supply-demand theory)
In the 1st round, I gave him 19.3K (just throwing him a ridicious number :P (which says the sale-price is basically less than 17) and he walked back and talked to his manager and counter-offer me 19.5).. at that monent, I started smiling in head and I knew that the "negotiable range" is down to >100.
IN the 2nd round, I told him I will do 19.5 if they can throw-in mud guard (its invoice around 100) and I am ready to write him a check. he again went back to talk to his manager and he said he can;t do it. then we started BS-ing for next 10 minutes (that is the standard standoff period of negotiation), all the sudden, I offered him I will take it if the final final DOP 19.4K OR [19.5K w/ 1st yr oil change free. (3 coupons around 100)].
Finally, his boss came out and seal the deal with the 2nd option. I know they will take that because those are in non-itemizable in the actual purchase order (std. option and warranty do). so as the tinted window.
The rest is just the paper works, one thing I would like to mention is my actual purchase order shows only 2 items (sale price of the car showns (17020) + dest. charge+ TTL ) & warranty (995). (the tint and the oil-change coupons just the off-the-record deals)
#################################################[my Afterthought and Tips]
1) Research!!Research!!Reasearch!! (use this forum/list and get the price and general market information....what option you need !?.. what is the bottom price you will 'pull-the-trigger'?!)
2) buy it toward the end of the month(/quarter)
(I am the last customer to walk away the dealership this Qtr :P)
3) show them that you are a severious buyer ( I was liternally carrying my checkbook and told the dealer I amready to write a check if "the price is right")
4) always negotiate with Drive-out PRICE OR OUT-THE-DOOR price !!!!!!!
(VERY IMPORTANT) always negotiate the Drive-out price (it is waste of time to get a good sale-price for the car and realize the option is expensive later on; I got scammed by the Other dealership (in Gillman) finance dude who gave me a 1.4K for the warrarnty day before
#################################################
Again Thanks to Edmunds and all involved in this list.
--cn
"Always try to be an educated customer everyday!!"