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They must be gellin!
Around 1980, people were selling these. Tape them on your fuel lines and watch your gas mileage go WAY up! I remember KGO in San Francisco even had a guest on touting these.
It absolutely astounds me that people never get the picture that if it were SO EASY to improve gas mileage, the automakers would adapt these items INSTANTLY, rather than spend gazillions of dollars to raise their CAFE ratings one-tenth of a gallon.
Of course the usual response is that the automakers are in a conspiracy with the gasoline companies, which is equally strange to say since higher fuel economy is an awesome marketing tool to sell cars. I can't imagine that oil companies could bribe a manufacturer with enough cash to forestall the introduction of a 50 mpg muscle car or a 35 mpg 3-ton SUV.
"Mr. Shipo,
Your email was forwarded to me for response.
ExxonMobil has been providing detergent additized gasolines since the 1950s and we are proud of our historical leadership in this area. In fact, back in 1985, ExxonMobil pioneered gasolines that cleaned up fuel injector deposits. All of our current gasolines are formulated to meet stringent performance standards and exceed all industry and government specifications for detergency. All Exxon and Mobil gasolines pass the performance criteria of the TOP TIER program.
Thank you for contacting ExxonMobil.
Jacqueline Levesque
Exxon Mobil Corporation"
Best Regards,
Shipo
Ninety-two (92) percent of toluene is used as a component of gasoline. One percent of toluene is used in solvents in paints, inks, adhesives, and cleaning agents, and in chemical extractions. The remainder is used in the chemical synthesis of benzene, urethane foams, and other organic chemicals; in the production of pharmaceuticals, dyes, and cosmetic nail products; and as an agent to expel or destroy roundworms and hookworms.
http://noclownz.dnsalias.net/racegas.htm
FWIW, I back when this stuff first was posted here I took a good look at the web site and saw nothing that I could confirm from any other source. In other words, I saw no compelling evidence. When the major automobile manufacturers start recommending this stuff, I'll sit up and take notice, until then...
Best Regards,
Shipo
(This is a repost, but obviously still so very very true!)
If it worked, we'd all be hearing about it from an oil company or a major car company having bought exclusive rights to it.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
You make a bunch of half baked claims that seem to good to be true (and not easily independently verified) and when I challenged the veracity of said claims you get upset and stoop to personal insults (which by the way are in violation of the Membership Agreement). Speaking of the Membership Agreement it also prohibits someone from hawking their own product, and dude, to me at least, you sound like a shill for that nevergreenamerica outfit you keep hyping.
Warning: To all folks who are considering this gunk, be forewarned, if you use it you run the risk of turning your ride into a :sick:
Best Regards,
Shipo
MrShiftright
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Now with that said is there anybody who's actually using this stuff?? How do you like it? Does it work?
And their gas mileage improves until they go back to driving normally and in reality their gas mileage has been hurt by the device in their air stream causing resistance.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Could you please post some hard information rather than grammatical gobbledygook.
1. What objective evidence, obtained under unbiased, scientifically rigourous conditions, is there that MotorSilk enhances the lubricative properties of motor oil under conditions of routine use to the extent that a measurable benefit accrues?
2. Assuming that such a benefit can demonstrated (and please note that such an assumption is incorrect based on the evidence so far), what are the factors that are preventing such an important advance from being adopted in a more widespread fashion?
CLS1, in post 325 you wrote, "so all you psydo scientist out there should actually go to the evergreen america website look under test and see that we spend millions in testinfg and used at the most recognized corporations in the world." Since that post you've been branded as a shill and/or a principal of this nevergreenameria outfit, and as such, anything that you post is tainted, at least in my mind, as it seems that you are making such posts for personal gain.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Question 2: we just came to the consumer market, our business is the Military, Gov't. and Industry, we custom formulate lubricants for a wide range of uses, some of our customers include Haliburton, DOT, Navistar, Boeing, CN Rail from Canada (own many railroads in the US also) Henkel Chemical, Allied Signal, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and many more world wide. Unless you are a Lubrication Engineer or Tribologist you most likley have not heard of the Boric Acid technology.
For any specific questions or further test results please e-mail motordoctor@evergreenamerica.com. I understand the skepticism out there and can appreciate honest good question as yours
Thanks.
thank you
MrShiftright
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I think it is cleverly disguised smoke and mirrors, aimed specifically at parting fools from their money.
If anybody is convinced by the information presented at that site, I would like to sell them a certain bridge in New York City.
Please note that others are free to come to their own conclusions different from mine.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Consider the following hypothetical experiment: A frog jumps six feet when startled by a noise of 100 dB. After amputating one leg, the frog jumps only 3 feet when startled by the same noise. After amputating the remaining leg, the frog does not jump at all when startled by the same noise. Conclusion: The frog is deaf after cutting the legs, therefore it must hear from its hind limbs.
Why don't you respond to my two questions? Please note that the questions are worded very carefully, and indicate a certain level of critical thinking in trying to evaluate your claims regarding a new product. As part of that evaluation, I read the documents including the PDF documents quoted on the website. The "information" there does not answer my two questions. It is pseudoscience, appears to be motivated by financial considerations, rather than anything scientific.
You say that "This technology is not for the neophyte" but you expect suckers to pay hundreds of dollars based on your "word", without anything substantive to back it up.
Edmunds is a good website not suited to this petty hustling. Please go somewhere else if you are not able to substantiate your statements scientifically.
I don't want to hear the old conspiracy theories either about it being withheld from implementation due to a big conspiracy between big oil, the Arabs, and the big auto manufacturers to prop up the demand for gasoline.
Additionally, one must consider that most of the moving parts of automobiles are supported on a hydrodynamic film of oil, such that for the most part, metal to metal contact is not occuring except under transient startup conditions. Thus surface treatments are not necessarily going to result in any improvements in reducing friction.
In light of the fact that I was not able to independently verify the veracity of your boasts regarding the efficacy of this treatment, I stated that in my opinion, this stuff smells like one of the many formulae for "Extract of Snake". That is not an accusation, it is an opinion based upon an apparent lack of hard facts. Remember, anybody can make a fancy looking web site and make all kinds of wonderful sounding claims. The key to this is being able to refer to publicly available scientific publications such as the SAE library for verification. By the way, I've checked any number of ways over on the SAE site, and unless there is something else I'm missing, the only "hit" I got on their database was regarding the effects that boron has on Catalytic Converters.
Like VCheng posted "Edmunds is a good website not suited to this petty hustling. Please go somewhere else if you are not able to substantiate your statements scientifically."
Best Regards,
Shipo
Oh dear! It seems that he has packed up his toys and gone elsewhere. :P
Best Regards,
Shipo
let's move on to something else. It would be GREAT if we didn't hear another word about Motorsilk! Obviously the topic is too volatile to continue, so to avoid deletions I think we should move on.
In GENERAL TERMS---any "new" product that can product a marked increase in fuel mileage and/or engine life for a small amount of money per car would indeed be a fabulous competitive edge that I would think any manufacturer would leap on. After all, what is the point of the massive investment Toyota and Honda have made in Prius and WhatEver That Is (Insight?) if not to sell a car with superior fuel mileage? Why the variable cylinder technology or the engine off technology?
As for engine life, consider the competitive advantage of offering a 150,000 mile warranty on interal engine components!
Consider the enormous savings in repair and maintenance and fuel for the United Parcel Service Trucking Fleet (they employ 85,000 drivers!).
And yet we don't see a whiff of it being used in lieu of plain old motor oil and plain old gasoline.
1. What objective evidence, obtained under unbiased, scientifically rigourous conditions, is there that the additive in question enhances the lubricative properties of motor oil under conditions of routine use to the extent that a measurable benefit accrues?
2. Assuming that such a benefit can demonstrated (and please note that such an assumption is incorrect based on the evidence so far), what are the factors that are preventing such an important advance from being adopted in a more widespread fashion?
We can all get answers to #1 and #2 for say Solar Power Components, right? We can get results of how many volts/amps/whatever...under what conditions...and for how long. Also we can get the costs.
And therefore, we know that solar panels on your roof cost so much and can only do so much in certain climates, etc. So we can get data and decide:
"Does this work and if so is it worth it for me to buy it?"
I still remember the Frantz oil filters and the messes they used to cause!