I bought my TCH the week of Aug. 2, 2007, in MD near DC. They offered to knock 1200 off the MSRP when I called and asked for their best price. I said fine, and that I'd come and see them and we'd work something out. I then spelled out my price by saying: The average american paid 25,900 for this vehicle according to yahoo and others. The 2008s are coming out and Toyota has already knocked 1000 of the price. Let's start at 23,500 - which I know you won't go for, but that's my starting price. Tell me what you can do. They came back to me with another number I was unwilling to do, and I said look: here is my bottom line walk away price. If we can do it at this price, we have a deal: $24,200. He came back with $24,500. I then said $24,350 - that's it, I'll just move on -- and we did the deal.
This was easier than I thought it would be, which means that Toyota is giving dealers more $$ to move their 2007 camry hybrids. I think I could have, had I been willing to play hard over a couple of days, even paid below invoice. But I'm happy I paid exactly what I wanted to and below the national average.
I rejected the warrenty offers and plan to buy a comprehensive warrenty online. I also rejected their gap insurance offer and initially financed through Toyota but they gave me three days to find a better interest rate and I did so through my credit union. Rates are much higher these days due to all the subprime market acvitity so shop around hard for those rates. I was shocked that even with good credit they couldn't give me a better rate than 7.9.
Also, if you need to buy gap do it online - you'll save money.
These Toyota dealers do not seem to be budging much. A fully loaded Accord EX-L V6 with Navi can be had at ~$25K OTD these days. A comparable XLE V6 is still at about $28.5K OTD. Things should get better when the new shape Accord hits the showrooms early next month and Toyota gets some real competition. I suggest waiting it out at least 30 to 45 days if you can. I know i am!
I couldnt agree with you more. I get a kick out of people on these boards who make the comment they wanted to leave a little bit on the table for the dealers...What a crock...Dealers wont sell you a car if they are not going to make some profit. Buyers need to make the best deal possible for themselves. Let the dealers worry about their share and not us.
Hello, I'm trying to buy a 2007 camry se or xle in the bay area (CA). Could someone post up the prices they were able to negotiate at dealerships in the greater bay area? Thanks (I'm leaning towards getting a navigation system and maybe sunroofs). CarsDirect.com price was 23499 for the zip code I entered (w/o navi), does that seem right?
Off-topic: How does the camry fair in side impact/collisions, if anyone has had the unfortunate experience =(. iihs.org crash test photos show seemingly acceptable damages when 2007 camries are hit on the side. However, side impact results look pretty fatal for all earlier Camries. Has toyota done significant safety changes to the 2007 models (googling shows that it's redesigned, but I have yet to find details)? I only ask since my corolla was recently hit by an suv running red light on the passenger side, and even though luckily no one was on the right side, it was very scary how much damage was done to the passenger seats, and consequently I'm searching for a sturdier car. If anyone could recommend other models, that'd be very much appreciated as well, thanks.
If the Toyota dealers aren't budging now, while the Accord prices are at record lows.....why would they budge when the new Accord is released which will carry MSRP-near prices for a while?
Is your suspicion that the Accord will be sooo much better and more equivalent priced at 28.5, and so the Camry would have less perceived value...and therefore they would have to lower their price? The thinking that a consumer would say....well if I'm going to have to spend 28.5, then I'd rather have an Accord than the Camry?
There are various spins being put on the July Camry sales figures. Thestreet.com had a headline saying Camry sales were off 29%: that's wrong; they meant Corolla's. I saw various other figures around the net, some comparing year on year sales to show an increase. So, I finally found the original Toyota press releases for June and July to see what was up.
Camry sales in June: 46,630 Camry sales in July: 41,514 Decline of about 11%
They also broke out the hybrid figures of: June: 5530 July: 4329 Decline almost 22%
The hybrid decline still does not account for the overall decline. If you subtract the hybrids from the June and July Camry figures, you still get an almost 10% decline in the non-hybrid sales.
I'm sure the dealers know this. Maybe you can use it in your bargaining.
BTW, for towync, http://www.edmunds.com have vehicle crash test ratings in its reviews of vehicles. You can also get details at http://www.safercars.gov, which has a database of all the tests. Just remember that, all else being equal, a bigger car is safer in a crash than a smaller one. Despite their bigger size, SUV's turn out not to be much, if any, safer than passenger cars because they roll so easily.
My thinking is this. A lot of people are right now buying the Camry instead of the Accord. This current Accord has been around for about 4 years while the Camry is just over a year. People like newer things. The new gen Camry also has features that the current gen Accord lack. This will be corrected within 30 days when the new Accord hits the showrooms. Camry sales will take a hit though how big or small is something i cant guess. However, if rumors of a 200HP 4 banger for the Accord are correct, then Camry will take a big hit. With Toyota losing some sales, the dealers will be offered more incentives and they will finally start budging on the Camry prices. All speculation of course but i think i am on to something.
I have a quote from a Minneapolis dealer for a 2008 Toyota Camry LE AT 4cyl Black and mats, pretty much basic (which is $20220) Plus Taxes, registration and all that. He tell me that since the 2008 are just ready to be out this is the best he can do. I tried for $19800 but was apprently asked to go to another dealer.
Toyota Intelligent people, Can somebody please tell me if this is a good price to buy the car. He says I can get the delivery of the car on August 22nd 2007.
Per My research this is what the car costs. Base Invocie : $18860 Destination Charge : $660 Total Dealer Invoice : $ 19520 Dealer Holdback : ($422) Actual price : $19098
But the dealer suggests this $18,860 (includes holdback and finance reserve) 660 destination 365 Toyota Dealer Advertising (TDA) 10 gas 126 carpeted floor mats
$20,021 total invoice price
and is asking for $200 over invoice because he says that 2008's are jsut out...
Can someone please HELP...I have to close this in the next 2 or 3 days time..Thanks again
A lot of posters ask if they got a good deal and they are basically asking people from all corners of North America this question when they post.
Unless you're willing to travel (and a lot of people don't feel comfortable buying out of their area_sometimes for good reasons)the only good price comparison is for deals in your local area.
Large volume dealers in large metropolitan areas will always beat the mom and pop dealerships in rural areas. What's a good deal? It's any deal you're satisfied with.
If my local dealer is competitive with a large distant dealer (within $500_I don't tell him this) I'm willing to help him stay in business. It's good for the local economy, jobs and I like having a dealer in the area.
Prices vary by geographical area, "newness" of the car to the market and many other external factors. In Richmond last week I saw two Toyota dealers within a few miles of each other, yet in my area there are three and they are about 30 miles apart. Competition is different.
The Honda dealers in this area are difficult to deal with so I don't consider them competitive. (They want more upfront because they argue about the high resale_ I may consider that but that's not a good reason for them to gouge me)
Internet Sales Manager at Northway gave a price of $20,842 plus Tax/DMV fees for LE with auto trans and moonroof (he said VSC is not available) for in stock vehicles only. Have not yet tried Carbone of Bennington or the dealership off Exit 15 yet.
I've had my Camry Hybrid for 5 months (new in March, '07) and have put on just over 5,000 miles. The car is equipped with the standard Hybrid model equipment including cloth seats. I added FE (50 state emmisions), HM (heated outside mirrors) and SR (Moonroof Package includes: Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof w/Sliding Sunshade, Dual Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirrors & Rear Personal Reading Lights). I chose to not get the leather and nav options. I paid $26,028 plus Ohio state fees and taxes. My previous car was a '99 Ford Contour that I drove for 8 years. Keep this in mind as you read the following review of my experience so far with the Camry Hybrid.
Pros:
Really enjoy the cabin tech; e.g. bluetooth, JBL radio (including AUX input), Smart Key (the best!) and instrument cluster indicators.
Roominess of passenger compartment.
Comfortable ride.
Fuel economy (averaging 41 MPG!).
I drive less aggressively trying to minimize the ICE (internal combustion engine) operation and maximize MPG. It's become a game with myself to maintain 35-40 MPH on suburban streets with just the traction motor operating; keep the needle of the "Fuel Economy Meter" on the "E MODE"; quickly increase the brightness of the arcs around the Fuel Economy Meter and Speedometer indicating greater fuel economy (see page 137 of the manual)!
Plenty of interior storage in console and dash.
No visible radio antenna.
Excellent value for the money.
Annoyances:
Turn signal almost inaudible.
Wind buffeting with rear windows open.
Small trunk (The price you pay for battery storage and a roomy passenger cabin).
Weak climate control fan.
When the Air Intake Selector is set to Fresh (indicator light off), warm, stale air comes out of the instrument panel vents even if the outside air is cool.
Instrument panel hard to read when wearing sunglasses.
After letting up on the accelerator pedal and coasting towards a stop, lightly touching the brake pedal as you are braking to a stop, the car suddenly seems to slightly speed up as if something has been disengaged such as the traction motor. This is a very subtle feeling and took several weeks of driving to realize.
Despite searching for a .pdf version of the Owner's Manual, I have not been able to locate one. There is an online version that is hard to navigate at http://toyotaiguide.com/content/07Camry/iGuide.htm. The video at this site will be very helpful to new owners who are too impatient to fully read the printed manual. I was able to "print" the individual manual sections from this video to a printer configuration set as "PDF Fill PDF Writer" which saves the output as a .pdf file (308 pages).
Interesting because we went from a 99 Contour to a Camry Hybrid as well! I wonder if something is wrong wity your climate control since we've found the Camry to have a far more robust air conditioning. We run fresh air all of the time. I wouldn't say that the fan is weak, but instead that the Contour could blow an abundance of poorly cooled air!
Full agreement on your other points, although not sure about value yet -- a lot more expensive than the conventional engined Camry LE or, even more so, a Ford Fusion, but far and away the best car we have ever purchased.
I current want to purchase a leather interior kit for my 03 camry le with power driver's seat. I search all over ebay the only kit I could find is for 04-06 camry. Does any one know are there any interior or seating differences between a 03 camry and 04-06 camry? Just want to make sure the kit will fit my car, I don't want to spend a lot of money then find out it can be installed on my car.
Thinking about buying a Desert Sand Mica or Titanium Metal '07 Camry LE 4cyl with JBL 6 Disc/8 speakers, sunroof, floor/ trunk mats in Nebraska or Missouri. MSRP 23774. Invoice 21059. I have read quite a few posts of people paying under invoice for vehicles. With the '08 coming so soon, how far under invoice OTD (not including TTL) would be reasonable?
I don't see any buying incentives available right now, only lease. Anyone know of any dealerships in NE or MO that have their own incentives to buy?
Hello, after continuous research on this site and others, I bought my TCH at crystal toyota in Greenbrook, NJ on June 30th. Barring CA, I probably got the best deal that can be had in the northeast. I got the level 4 TCH, including all options. The following tips Go on the last day of the month, do your homework before that of the lowest price going on thru this site. Email the internet department that morning with your offer after looking up their inventory online including colors and VIN #s. First response online will be negative but talk to them on the phone at bout noon and be firm about your offer. They come around if you show your knowledge about dealing and prices. My name is Mahendra Patel if it helps make the deal. After that they are pretty straightforward and stand behind their word and no playing games.Of course, you have to make you decisions on financing and warranties(joke) and gap insurances and stand firm. I got 5.90% toyota financing from them. This again, take your local bank or credit unions offer with you to deal. Per forum rules, I am not allowed to post names but there is only one internet manager and she is pretty good to deal with. I waited for a month to post this as I wanted to make sure that there are no backlashes from the dealer(it was that good a deal) before I out the word out on this board. Again, thanks to everybody on this board that posted as I saved a bundle of money and had a pleasant experience. BTW, I already have 6000 miles as I drive a lot.
I need help. I am looking to buy a new 2007 toyota camry LE and I live in the roseville area. The best price I have seen is $18577 plus fees, license etc. If anyone sees a lower price anywhere in the region, please let me know.
I'm a first time buyer here, so bear with me. I recently moved to Los Angeles, California and need to purchase my first car. I'm deciding between the Corolla CE or S and the Camry LE (4 cylinder). I'm leaning towards the Camry LE, only because it seems a bit safer.
I was wondering if anyone could inform me as to what prices they paid (for both the Corolla and Camry) in the Los Angeles area. I've looked through the forum already, so any additional info would be much appreciated. Many thanks!
Has anyone had a really good sales experience at a dealer near Pittsburgh, PA? Most dealers in the DC area are basically shopping malls (and not in a good way!)
I paid $17988 for a basic LE at Power Toyota in Cerritos(LA) in May. Plus a $400 new grad rebate. Others seem to be able to get the same price or even better. Read the Friday's LA times. Good luck!
If you are in the DC area, then shop online at www.fitzmall.com, they have Toyota's at their G'burg site. No hassle, and great prices.
Actually in Pgh now for a couple weeks, and haven't found them to even be close to DC prices, since that area is soo much more competitive. Disadvantage to the DC area is shopping malls all around, advantage is best pricing on the east coast.
If my memory holds, I think Fitzmall also has a toyota dealership in Chambersburg, PA.....it would be on your way from DC to Pgh.
If you are willing to drive to LA area then you can get better deal. Power Toyota and claremont toyota have camry LE on sale every weekend for 17977 or 17888.
I would also suggest you to look at 2007 Hyundai Sonata. I bought it last week for $14758 + TAX + DMV fees. I test drove both Camry and Sonata and I liked sonata better especially people complaining about transmission issues with camry. I got more features in Sonata compared to Camry. Just suggestion. I live in Folsom near Sacramento CA.
I bought it from folsom lake hyundai. I talked with Internet sales manager David Coombs. They didn't had in stock but got one from another dealer. Send request through Carsdirect and he will contact you. First test drive and see if you like car. You are in roseville are so go to Roseville hyundai and take test drive and compare to Toyota Camry.
You guys need to take your Mazda and Hyundai :lemon: discussions to the junk boards. It depresses me to even think you'd compare here on the Camry buying board.
:mad: I feel like being ripped off by Toyota’s dealers. They all bundle additional items into their service plans. For example, Toyota’s recommended 10, 000 miles service have only 3 items: (1) Change oil (2) Rotate wheels (3) inspect brakes. Period.
But, the dealers want to do all other kinds of crap in order to charge more. I wish Toyota would clamp down on this practice. They would be building a batter rapport between owners, the Toyota company and the dealer network.
I have an easy solution - just tell your dealer what you want done. It is as easy as copying it out of your owner's manual maintenance guide. I recommend putting it in writing, and handing it to the service advisor.
Toyota does NOT own the dealerships (just like GM, Ford, etc.) so they have no control over what the dealers do. BUT, Toyota does give you a manual with all the service/maintenance listed, so just follow it, not the dealer's crap.
Just my opinion, but personally, most of the inspections listed would take 1/2 hr tops, and I do them myself. The brakes should be fine at 10,000 miles, I would ignore this. Only if you hear the squeal indicators (time for new pads) or if you have a pulsating pedal (warped rotors) do you need to be concerned about brakes.
Also, you could have a good independent mechanic do all your scheduled maintenance (just be sure to specify to use only Toyota parts and keep the invoices.)
Hi, could people post up their OTD price (and rough break downs of it) for their 2007 Camry LE V6. Thanks, I'm looking to get one in the greater bay area CA. (or your price for other states is fine too)
In a metro NY dealership, I was quoted a lease price of $379 per month with $2,000 total out of pocket for an 07 Camry XLE V6 with Traction control (12k miles per year). Is this a good deal?
So I was able to find a site that lists Sales and Use tax by county in CA, but the dealer quoted me 8.5 percent sales tax, is this discrepency normal? If so, why is there a difference? Thanks
Does that include the $660 destination charge? Invoice is about $19,557 (auto LE, no other big options), including carpet floor mats and destination charge. Edmunds TMV is $20,112. So, if your price includes the destination fee, it sounds good to me.
call mike bari and steve kim at the internet dept at power toyota irvine - we got a camry le v6 with mats for 23.2k otd - worked out to invoice less rebate plus ttl. they were also super professional and helpful unlike some other toyota dealers i've had experiences at. they have a bunch of cars so you'll get your pick of color, etc too.
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This was easier than I thought it would be, which means that Toyota is giving dealers more $$ to move their 2007 camry hybrids. I think I could have, had I been willing to play hard over a couple of days, even paid below invoice. But I'm happy I paid exactly what I wanted to and below the national average.
I rejected the warrenty offers and plan to buy a comprehensive warrenty online. I also rejected their gap insurance offer and initially financed through Toyota but they gave me three days to find a better interest rate and I did so through my credit union. Rates are much higher these days due to all the subprime market acvitity so shop around hard for those rates. I was shocked that even with good credit they couldn't give me a better rate than 7.9.
Also, if you need to buy gap do it online - you'll save money.
Good luck. Love the car.
Never feel sorry for dealers (at least not Toyota ones) they always get $$$'s for moving cars
I couldnt agree with you more. I get a kick out of people on these boards who make the comment they wanted to leave a little bit on the table for the dealers...What a crock...Dealers wont sell you a car if they are not going to make some profit. Buyers need to make the best deal possible for themselves. Let the dealers worry about their share and not us.
Off-topic: How does the camry fair in side impact/collisions, if anyone has had the unfortunate experience =(. iihs.org crash test photos show seemingly acceptable damages when 2007 camries are hit on the side. However, side impact results look pretty fatal for all earlier Camries. Has toyota done significant safety changes to the 2007 models (googling shows that it's redesigned, but I have yet to find details)? I only ask since my corolla was recently hit by an suv running red light on the passenger side, and even though luckily no one was on the right side, it was very scary how much damage was done to the passenger seats, and consequently I'm searching for a sturdier car. If anyone could recommend other models, that'd be very much appreciated as well, thanks.
If the Toyota dealers aren't budging now, while the Accord prices are at record lows.....why would they budge when the new Accord is released which will carry MSRP-near prices for a while?
Is your suspicion that the Accord will be sooo much better and more equivalent priced at 28.5, and so the Camry would have less perceived value...and therefore they would have to lower their price? The thinking that a consumer would say....well if I'm going to have to spend 28.5, then I'd rather have an Accord than the Camry?
http://www.toyota.com/about/news/
Camry sales in June: 46,630
Camry sales in July: 41,514
Decline of about 11%
They also broke out the hybrid figures of:
June: 5530
July: 4329
Decline almost 22%
The hybrid decline still does not account for the overall decline. If you subtract the hybrids from the June and July Camry figures, you still get an almost 10% decline in the non-hybrid sales.
I'm sure the dealers know this. Maybe you can use it in your bargaining.
BTW, for towync, http://www.edmunds.com have vehicle crash test ratings in its reviews of vehicles. You can also get details at http://www.safercars.gov, which has a database of all the tests. Just remember that, all else being equal, a bigger car is safer in a crash than a smaller one. Despite their bigger size, SUV's turn out not to be much, if any, safer than passenger cars because they roll so easily.
Toyota Intelligent people, Can somebody please tell me if this is a good price to buy the car. He says I can get the delivery of the car on August 22nd 2007.
Per My research this is what the car costs.
Base Invocie : $18860
Destination Charge : $660
Total Dealer Invoice : $ 19520
Dealer Holdback : ($422)
Actual price : $19098
But the dealer suggests this
$18,860 (includes holdback and finance reserve)
660 destination
365 Toyota Dealer Advertising (TDA)
10 gas
126 carpeted floor mats
$20,021 total invoice price
and is asking for $200 over invoice because he says that 2008's are jsut out...
Can someone please HELP...I have to close this in the next 2 or 3 days time..Thanks again
Unless you're willing to travel (and a lot of people don't feel comfortable buying out of their area_sometimes for good reasons)the only good price comparison is for deals in your local area.
Large volume dealers in large metropolitan areas will always beat the mom and pop dealerships in rural areas. What's a good deal? It's any deal you're satisfied with.
If my local dealer is competitive with a large distant dealer (within $500_I don't tell him this) I'm willing to help him stay in business. It's good for the local economy, jobs and I like having a dealer in the area.
Prices vary by geographical area, "newness" of the car to the market and many other external factors. In Richmond last week I saw two Toyota dealers within a few miles of each other, yet in my area there are three and they are about 30 miles apart. Competition is different.
The Honda dealers in this area are difficult to deal with so I don't consider them competitive. (They want more upfront because they argue about the high resale_ I may consider that but that's not a good reason for them to gouge me)
That's just a minor-redesign. Nissan, Toyota, and Honda usually has a five years cycle for a complete redesign and a minor-redesign on the 4th year.
Pros:
Really enjoy the cabin tech; e.g. bluetooth, JBL radio (including AUX input), Smart Key (the best!) and instrument cluster indicators.
Roominess of passenger compartment.
Comfortable ride.
Fuel economy (averaging 41 MPG!).
I drive less aggressively trying to minimize the ICE (internal combustion engine) operation and maximize MPG. It's become a game with myself to maintain 35-40 MPH on suburban streets with just the traction motor operating; keep the needle of the "Fuel Economy Meter" on the "E MODE"; quickly increase the brightness of the arcs around the Fuel Economy Meter and Speedometer indicating greater fuel economy (see page 137 of the manual)!
Plenty of interior storage in console and dash.
No visible radio antenna.
Excellent value for the money.
Annoyances:
Turn signal almost inaudible.
Wind buffeting with rear windows open.
Small trunk (The price you pay for battery storage and a roomy passenger cabin).
Weak climate control fan.
When the Air Intake Selector is set to Fresh (indicator light off), warm, stale air comes out of the instrument panel vents even if the outside air is cool.
Instrument panel hard to read when wearing sunglasses.
After letting up on the accelerator pedal and coasting towards a stop, lightly touching the brake pedal as you are braking to a stop, the car suddenly seems to slightly speed up as if something has been disengaged such as the traction motor. This is a very subtle feeling and took several weeks of driving to realize.
Despite searching for a .pdf version of the Owner's Manual, I have not been able to locate one. There is an online version that is hard to navigate at http://toyotaiguide.com/content/07Camry/iGuide.htm. The video at this site will be very helpful to new owners who are too impatient to fully read the printed manual. I was able to "print" the individual manual sections from this video to a printer configuration set as "PDF Fill PDF Writer" which saves the output as a .pdf file (308 pages).
Full agreement on your other points, although not sure about value yet -- a lot more expensive than the conventional engined Camry LE or, even more so, a Ford Fusion, but far and away the best car we have ever purchased.
Thank You Very Much
I don't see any buying incentives available right now, only lease. Anyone know of any dealerships in NE or MO that have their own incentives to buy?
after continuous research on this site and others, I bought my TCH at crystal toyota in Greenbrook, NJ on June 30th. Barring CA, I probably got the best deal that can be had in the northeast. I got the level 4 TCH, including all options.
The following tips
Go on the last day of the month, do your homework before that of the lowest price going on thru this site.
Email the internet department that morning with your offer after looking up their inventory online including colors and VIN #s.
First response online will be negative but talk to them on the phone at bout noon and be firm about your offer. They come around if you show your knowledge about dealing and prices. My name is Mahendra Patel if it helps make the deal.
After that they are pretty straightforward and stand behind their word and no playing games.Of course, you have to make you decisions on financing and warranties(joke) and gap insurances and stand firm. I got 5.90% toyota financing from them. This again, take your local bank or credit unions offer with you to deal.
Per forum rules, I am not allowed to post names but there is only one internet manager and she is pretty good to deal with.
I waited for a month to post this as I wanted to make sure that there are no backlashes from the dealer(it was that good a deal) before I out the word out on this board.
Again, thanks to everybody on this board that posted as I saved a bundle of money and had a pleasant experience.
BTW, I already have 6000 miles as I drive a lot.
I was wondering if anyone could inform me as to what prices they paid (for both the Corolla and Camry) in the Los Angeles area. I've looked through the forum already, so any additional info would be much appreciated. Many thanks!
Actually in Pgh now for a couple weeks, and haven't found them to even be close to DC prices, since that area is soo much more competitive. Disadvantage to the DC area is shopping malls all around, advantage is best pricing on the east coast.
If my memory holds, I think Fitzmall also has a toyota dealership in Chambersburg, PA.....it would be on your way from DC to Pgh.
But, the dealers want to do all other kinds of crap in order to charge more. I wish Toyota would clamp down on this practice. They would be building a batter rapport between owners, the Toyota company and the dealer network.
Toyota does NOT own the dealerships (just like GM, Ford, etc.) so they have no control over what the dealers do. BUT, Toyota does give you a manual with all the service/maintenance listed, so just follow it, not the dealer's crap.
Just my opinion, but personally, most of the inspections listed would take 1/2 hr tops, and I do them myself. The brakes should be fine at 10,000 miles, I would ignore this. Only if you hear the squeal indicators (time for new pads) or if you have a pulsating pedal (warped rotors) do you need to be concerned about brakes.
Also, you could have a good independent mechanic do all your scheduled maintenance (just be sure to specify to use only Toyota parts and keep the invoices.)
I am looking for a TCH. Could you give me more details on you deal. I really need the help. let me know at mattjung2003 at yahoo dot com.
Thanks in advance.
thanks
$17954 + tax, lic, fees.
is this a good deal? I'm in so. cal.
Thanks for your inputs.
they have a bunch of cars so you'll get your pick of color, etc too.
Vicki
What rebate??