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VW Touareg SUV



  • sbcookesbcooke Posts: 2,297
    The brochure says it has a maximum cargo volume of 31 cubic feet? Is this a misprint? Or without rear seats folded (if they fold flat)?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    What happened to this model? It was listed in the early brochure passed out on the auto show circuit, but is MIA in the current brochure now at the dealers.

    The V8x was an off-road oriented version of the V8 model. It had a full-size rear-mounted spare tire, skid plates, side step bars, and a few other goodies. From what I can see, none of those features are even being offered as stand-alone options.

  • ohiosuvohiosuv Posts: 33
    Thanks mml7 for you extensive comments! I completely agree. I had the same concerns with the Murano early on as you did. I have become comfortable with the vehicle (whatever it is classified as) over time. I am not sure that I "really like it", but what a price/value deal. I "like" the Murano, but also like the VW somewhat better. I just don't think it's $10K better!

    By the way, what did you end up buying?

    re: rkuehn - you are absolutely correct - VW blew it!
  • buyavwbuyavw Posts: 3
    Production for the Touareg V8x model is scheduled to begin the last week in July. So, they should arrive in dealer showrooms 2-3 months later. It will be equipped with everything on a Touareg V8 plus Air suspension, Bi-Xenon headlamps, fender protection, Full-size rear mounted spare tire, rear differential lock, side step bar, and skid plates. Base MSRP for a V8x is $46,165 (including destination). Which means the offroad equipment "exclusive" to the V8x is $1,250. The remaining options available on the Touareg V8, except the 19" Wheels, are also available on the V8x.

    Step bars will be available as an accessory for all models soon, but no plans yet for a dealer-installed, rear-mounted, full size spare.

    Also, I realize the Touareg is not a light-weight, but there may be some advantages to being heavy. The Touareg V6 has a curb weight of 5,086 lbs and a payload (maximum weight of passengers, cargo, and fuel permissible) of 1,400 lbs. These combined equal the Gross Vehicle Weight of 6,486 lbs. Since it is an SUV with a GVW greater than 6,000 lbs, it is not considered a "passenger automobile" by the IRS and therefore not subject to depreciation caps. This means a small business could take a tax write-off of the full purchase price in the first year of ownership, thanks to the new tax break signed into law by Bush in June. The only vehicle less expensive that could qualify is a Dodge Durango.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Thanks for the V8x update. Do you have any idea as to why that info was left off the current Touareg brochure? There's no mention of it anywhere.

  • buyavwbuyavw Posts: 3
    Each Volkswagen dealer received 2 Touaregs and 30-60 showroom brochures at the end of June. The brochures went immediately on back-order and dealers are still waiting for more. My guess is VW wanted to have brochures available when the vehicle was released (for a change), and since the V8x is not scheduled for release until the forth quarter, it was left out of the initial showroom brochure. Other changes are being made to standard equipment and option packages listed in the initial brochure, as well. Such as a 6-disc CD Changer is now included with the Navigation system.
  • mml7mml7 Posts: 55
    Thanks mml7 for you extensive comments! I completely agree. I had the same concerns with the Murano early on as you did. I have become comfortable with the vehicle (whatever it is classified as) over time. I am not sure that I "really like it", but what a price/value deal. I "like" the Murano, but also like the VW somewhat better. I just don't think it's $10K better!

    By the way, what did you end up buying?

    I know exactly what you mean. Truely, if we could have gotten comfortable with the Murano's looks, we probably would have bought it...a bit shallow, I know, but you gotta be happy with the car! The Murano had the right price, safety features, and gadgets (memory pedals!).

    In the end, we bought a V6 Touareg with Premium Pkg. :-) With the NE emissions, it came out to a touch over $38K. While we spent a few grand over the Murano, we also spent $10K less than a similarly equipped X5....The Touareg has all the safety features and gizmos that we want and we are really happy with the way it drives and the way it looks.

    Ever see someone in a parking lot park really far away from everyone else and then walk backwards from the car admiring it? That's me. (did I say I was shallow? ;-)
  • beauxdadbeauxdad Posts: 4
    When you purchase a Touareg you receive a CD with very well staged movies on driving your new SUV off road. The featured hostess and driver is Jutta Kleinschmidt better known as "The Rally Queen". She can really put the T-reg through the "ringer", driving on the edge, in some breathtaking desert enviorns.
     But the real kicker is, she is driving a V10 TDI ( shots with the hood up are the only evidence.) The test car also features a wood rimmed steering wheel as in Lexus and like up-scale models. My guess is this will show up as an option on the V8x.
     I am still waiting for my car to show up at the dealer, should be here any day now, in the meantime I have the CD to watch. Not quite the same as the real thing!
  • ohiosuvohiosuv Posts: 33
    How does the V6 carry around all the weight of the Touareg? The VW weighs a whopping 1,400lbs. more than the Murano (nearly 40% more!), but yet has 220hp compared to the Murano's 245hp. I read somewhere that the V6 Murano is even faster the V8 Touareg! I drove the V6 and thought it was clearly underpowered for the vehicle, leading me to conclude that to buy the Touareg one really had no choice but to buy the V8. What are your thoughts?
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    I am not surprised she's pictured driving the TDI Tuareg - she won 8th place in the 2003 Dakar Rally in a 2WD Diesel Buggy!

    - D.
  • mml7mml7 Posts: 55

    The Murano may very well be faster than the V8, though that may be a function of the CVT tranny and the Murano's weight more than anything else. The MDX and X5 are faster to 60 than the V6 Touareg (it's extra 400 lbs doesn't help there either). In the V6, I feel that the programming of the 6spd Tip in the Touareg is a tad on the lazy side. The shifting is ultra smooth and I'm constantly finding myself traveling much faster than I had intended, but it doesn't always feel like it keeps the V6 in the middle of the torque curve. If you shift it to the 'S' mode, however, the V6 really comes alive as the programming shifts the car much more aggressively. We had thought about the V8, but we really wanted to keep the price as far south of $40K as we could. All in all, I am happy with the 6's performance, but another 20HP and 20ft/lbs of torque wouldn't have hurt...
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    Toureg v6 9.5 v8 7.5
    Murano 7.0-7.5
    FX35 RWD 7.1
    FX45 6.3
    X5 3.0 8.0

    The toureg v6 is a pokey SUV indeed. The turbo diesel will be the engine for anyone looking for high perfomance but at a cost of well over 50 large it will be difficult to justify that for a VW.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    NOTHING to justify to anyone...The operative word is VALUE...Shop and Compare...Performance, Warranty, Safety, and Style...
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    I respectfully disagree. I am a big fan of the way VW is headed and the toureg seemed great on paper. I know it is basically a 60k+ cayenne cheaper but that doesn't necessarily make it better. At 50k+ there is a lot of stiff competition X5 4.4, FX45, Navigator, Escalade, H2 etc etc Outside of the great off road abililties (how many people thrash 50k+ cars off road) what does it offer to stand out from the crowd. BMW and Lexus have status, Escalade, Navigator, h2 have Size on their side. The FX45 pure performance. At 35-45k I agree there is value to be had in a fine german engineered SUV for less than mercedes and BMW but you pass that 50k mark service, vehicle and nameplate are all weighed equally. To me it just a tough sell.
  • mml7mml7 Posts: 55
    At 35-45k I agree there is value to be had in a fine german engineered SUV for less than mercedes and BMW but you pass that 50k mark service, vehicle and nameplate are all weighed equally. To me it just a tough sell.

    Actually, you don't even have to pass $50K. A friend of mine recently picked up a very well equipped ML500 for $48K...about the same price as a V8 Touareg with Premium plus pkg. Still, one of the reasons we did not buy the X5 or ML350/500 was *because* of their 'status'.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    I understand..."Outside of the great OffRoad abilities"...Why would anyone WANT an SUV?

    And, unless one is a really poor driver, going offroad and/or back road is not going to "thrash"
    their T-Reg...

    mm17 finishes the thought...Status is not something that VW people find very important, or as Fred Astaire so aptly put it..."You cannot buy class."
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Peter (VWGUILD) probably knows the specific issue(s) of Car & Driver that tested and compared the Touareg against many worthy competitors -- Car & Driver picked the Touareg as their "#1 Choice for Lux SUV."

    Car & Driver says it "better" than ANY of us on this board.

    Their reasons are there for all to see, their logic their ratings and rankings -- I am not a professional auto tester or journalist. I weigh and consider what C&D says -- and I lend credence to it.

    For all I know, all the Touareg bashing (or sort-of bashing) that appears to go on here from time to time may have merit. But, since we have so little experience to draw from, I say read Car & Driver, test the thing for yourself and then determine if the designation (which is, after all, ephemeral) Best Luxury SUV is deserved.

    I, for one, think it is.

    Of course, I, for one, also think that two of the greatest cars "no one" knows about are the Passat W8 and the Audi allroad 2.7T 6spd.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    And, I should add an answer to my own question...

    "If, you are not going off road or on the back roads, why own an SUV?" For Towing!!! and the T-Reg has the greatest towing capacity of all the 'competition' mentioned above @ 7700#s
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    Listen I didn't intend to start an argument. I just think that over 50k The toureg has some very real and stiff competition. I have driven the v6 toureg with air suspension. The ride was superb for an offroad oriented SUV. The space was decent but in v6 guise the power was not there.

    Currently I drive a FX35 this is either a love it or hate it vehicle and I love it. It has enough passenger and cargo room for my daily needs and puts a grin as wide as the grand canyon on my face. But some people dismiss it as an odd looking wagon.

    Everyone has an opinion It's just that "I" would not spend 50k+ on a vw toureg. I might on an Audi version that forgoes some of the offroad equipment and substitutes more performance. I look at suv's for their cargo capacity, safety and perhaps most of all performance I am more of a sport sedan guy than a truck guy.

    The FX is my first SUV and probably the least like typical SUV's it offered ground clearance(to make it through hurricane rains) and cargo capacity with little sacrifice in sport sedan acceleration and handling. So it was the best fit for me. The toureg might be perfect for some but to me at the price point I was looking at it fell short in the performance category which I weighed heavily. Just my .02
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I also was looking at the Toureg but unfortunate events intervened. I was involved in a multi-car accident with our allroad in late March, and when they decided to total it out [ :-( ] I needed a replacement vehicle real quick. I ended up with the FX45 which I am extremely happy with, especially the performance which is what this vehicle is all about. The Toureg was very interesting but the timing just didn't work out in our case...maybe next time. If so maybe the V10 would be available by then - that 2 1/2+ tons needs some serious torque to get it going!

    P.S. I agree with your overall sentiments completely - enjoy your FX.
  • knockoffknockoff Posts: 72
    I for one have been looking for a "luxury" SUV that can go off road. The market is very slim since about 90% of you buying SUVs don't go off road. I currently own a truck but I too want more people room & an enclosure for my 2 beagles. I have been looking at the GX470 but hate the back swing-gate. I don't like the Discovery. I have hung around the Infiniti chat rooms trying to see if anyone has off-road experiences with the FX but I think I am trying to put a round peg in square hole. Sooooooo.... thank you VW for thinking of me with some gr8 off-road equipment & packaging in a "luxury" SUV.
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    This is the SUV for you then. The fx should never be driven off road :) Also try the 4runner limited V8 it is a GX470 lite.
  • phastphilphastphil Posts: 22
    I have been following the Toureg since first announced, and was disappointed that upon arrival it was underpowered with the V6, pushing you into the V8 for any decent performance. I, as are 90% of us, are NOT off roaders, so I just can't convince myself to buy into the Toureg. The new crossover class, like the FX, the HPX and the new MB R-Class are more suited for me....a sporty, on-road SUV. I was impressed by the FX, but the poor residual value and 'unique' styling have kept me waiting. Also, our local Infiniti dealer is awful, so the MB would be much more attractive.
  • maxsymmaxsym Posts: 1
    When I first looked at the Touareg I was really pleased that I had found something different. Now that the flush of excitement has gone and I am waiting for my car to show up at the dealership and reading some of the comments (which are really helpful) I am having second thoughts. Having placed a deposit I have first right of refusal on a V8 with the premium plus package. I actually did not want this option but that's the only one available. So it will cost me $3K more than I thought I would spend. My biggest issues are:

    1. VW came out really poorly in the JD Powers relaiability survey.
    2. The salesman (although a decent guy) is total out of his depth
    3. The local dealership looks like "Al's used car lot" Why would VW allow such a competitive product be sold without upgrading its image?
    4.I'm not sure if the service I am going to get will be reliable.
    5.$48K+ for a VW???????

    Having said this I have had a BMW 528i for the past three years and believe me the service I received from the dealership is probably the worst I have ever received. Plus the car was unreliable and spent 2.5 months off the road.

    Any thoughts and suggestions?
  • svinaiksvinaik Posts: 84
    Just one comment. on TReg vs. Cayenne. I know that they share common platform but it does not make TReg a Cayenne or vice a versa. They have their unique engines, Brakes & transmission though basic ideas are the same but there is enough difference in the "Heart" of the vehicles.

    I have driven both, TReg & Cayenne. Try it back to back and you will not mistake one for the other. Both are great in their own ways but I decided to go with cayenne and have not felt any buyer's regret since but I am sure I would have been thinking after spending $ 48K+ on a VW brand. Long term quality on both the vehicles is still to be judged but my bet is on Porsche.

    just my 2 cents.....
  • ohiosuvohiosuv Posts: 33
    You and I are thinking exaclty the same way. I simply do not value the off-road capabilities and don't want to pay for it. Also, if I am going to spend $42K, I think I should get a premium nameplate. For comparison sakes, I looked at the XC90 (again). It is not nearly as good as the VW, but at least it has a "near-premium" nameplate. Thus, in some way I would be more comfortable buying the Volvo. I'm not, because that vehicle I think is rather spartan for the price, but at least they were smart too emphasize the safety rather than the off-road ability.

    As I said before, if the VW were $4K less (and it might be in 6 months) I would buy it. Or if it were an Audi nameplate, again I would buy it.

    I have decided finally to buy the Murano. Not quite the same quality vehicle as the Touareg, but probably a better brand name. The Murano can be had at invoice (w/o haggling), or over $10K less than the VW. That's huge! Since I never tow or go offroad, and literally just drive it to work and back (@50 miles roundtrip daily), there is little justification for a premium vehicle anyway even if I were comfortable with the VW nameplate. So I am saving the money and treating myself to the XMSR satellite radio and a TIVO for the house! Good luck to all those still considering what to do!
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    In November 2002, I picked up my brand new allroad.

    Every possible option and a 6spd man (0-100kph 6.8secs without the aid of a chip!) MSRP just south of $49K.

    Added 4 upsized Mich Pilot Sport A/S tires ($840), had the dealer (!) reprogram the 4 level suspension to go 1/2" lower (no charge) and had the A6 rear sport antisway bar put on the car ($200 including labor).

    Then I took it to a bodyshop and had the fender flares & front and rear bumper body color painted and clearcoated (burgundy pearl). This plus the Audi factory phone all together brought the "sticker price" to about $52K. The Audi dealer did all the above for me (except the sport suspension in the lease) and then discounted the car back down to about $48K, gave me the Audi loyalty discount and rolled it into a no money down no first month's payment 36 month lease (35 payments).

    Level 4 on the suspension is 8+ inches of ground clearance. The floorpan of the allroad is 20% stronger than a standard Audi A6 avant and it has front and rear skid plates.

    It is a mid-sized part sports sedan, part suv, part station wagon (gasp!).

    It goes like hell, corners with my 2001 A6 4.2 (which had the sport package), has On*star, sat nav, a very good sound system, great seats and plenty of room for 4 adults and OK room for 5.

    It is fantastic on trips at level 2, handles very crsiply on the twisties on level 1 and can go much further off road than 98% of us will ever do -- with aplomb -- and when it is all clean and shiny is an upscale German car.

    If any car was the Swiss army knife of cars -- this one is it. At this moment it can't do everything OFF ROAD that a Touareg can do and it can't tow as much either. However, it will out accelerate, out corner/perform the Touareg in literally all on-road categories. And if you compared the V8 Touareg with the allroad for gas milage you would have both higher performance and greater miles per gallon with the allroad.

    Finally with the addition of a mild chip, the performance characteristics can be increased significantly (HP will be taken to 300 and torque will increase to over 350 foot pounds).

    If your need is for heavy duty and serious off roading -- get the Touareg. If your need is for over 7,000 pounds of towing capacity, get the Touareg.

    If your need is to go virtually anyplace that a Jeep Grand Cherokee can go -- the allroad will do just fine.

    I am, despite my sales pitch in favor of the allroad, a Touareg fan. In no way does any of this imply I believe the Touareg is not all that Car and Driver claims it to be (The BEST Lux SUV on the planet -- at this moment).

    But once you get above $43K -- if you find yourself underwhelmed by the power of the V8 Touareg and not needing the superior off road capabilities or the extra towing capacity -- please at least take a long long test drive in an allroad. The Japanese cars/semi-SUV's listed and discussed in this thread are "posers" when compared with the allroad.

    And, finally, the Audi comes with 100% maintenance for 50,000 miles and a dealer network that while not perfect is generally much much better than the current state of VW dealerships.

    P.S. - due to the relative obscurity and lack of markeing that has been done on behalf of the allroad, most dealers have several on their lots and right now (and probably for at least another 60 - 75 days) they are discounted mightily.

    P.P.S - if this still doesn't float your boat, ther is NOW available a 2004 allroad with that super sweet 4.2L V8 engine with 300 naturally aspirated horses for your dining and dancing pleasure (of course that option makes it MORE than the Touareg; while the other version even maxed out will be less than a Touareg even before a generous discount).

    This is a GERMAN car chat room -- let's not have this Japanese discussion creeping into it :-)
  • treidnotetreidnote Posts: 2
    I know it's early in the game, but anyone have any real-world experience towing with the Toureg? Payload ratings tell only part of the story- how does it track, pull, etc.

    Need to pull a 4000# skiboat/trailer, and want something that has the stones to tow without getting winded or wearing me out on longer drives. And would really prefer not to have to go to a domestic SUV. The VW seems to be the only non-domestic with strong tow capacity(besides the Cayenne).
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    The VW seems to be the only non-domestic with strong tow capacity(besides the Cayenne).

    Check out: 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Sequoia, LX/GX 470, Pathfinder, QX4, Xterra, Montero, Rodeo, and XC90. All are rated over 4000# for towing, and most are rated ~ 5000#, if not higher.

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