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Contact BMW of Bakersfield. That is where I got my car. You can the question of probably any of the salesmen. They have ALWAYS been very forthcoming and open with their answers to any questions I've had. I know they've done some ED, so they should be able to address it.
-Paul
TIA,
Patelli
TIA,
Patelli
Base ED MSRP (incl.dest.) $31,340
Options are the same price, either way.
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Words of wisdom: Italian drivers are very forgiving, so rules of road are flexible (contrast Germany, where rules are strictly adhered to and drivers get REALLY bent out of shape if you violate them). Local roads are generally narrower than in US, and with lots more curves. Makes for fun driving, provided you don't have to do it all day. Almost no matter how fast you drive, count on someone on your tail at annoying frequency.
Be prepared for lots of motorcycles, mobylettes, moped traffic, especially in cities. They tend to swarm, lane share, and generally make a nuisance of themselves. Again, do as the Italians and be flexible.
I found very few automated speed controls and/or red-light cameras in Italy (mainly the North). This contrasts with Germany, France, where they abound. Highway (autostrada) speed is relatively high, and you'll see bigger touring cars (Mercedes, BMWs, Renaults) going well over 100 mph in the left lane, with their left blinkers on for miles. Stay out of their way.
If you want directions, you can almost forget it. Sadly, Italians and directions are not a good match, even if you speak Italian. Get yourself one or more good Michelin maps for where you're visiting, ones with a lot of detail. These are invaluable.
Other than that, the usual stuff: expect tight parking, a few very narrow two way roads where a lot of yielding is required, and traffic jams in and around the cities. Also, road maintenance and construction can be a problem. Keep the windows closed, don't breath in too many diesel exhaust fumes, and you'll be fine. If you're super uptight about your car, this would not likely be a fun place for you. Germany would be better.
Thanks for taking the time to tell me about your Euro Delivery experience in Italy. We are still looking forward to making this kind of a trip, maybe next fall if I can get the car I want by then.
Your point about being uptight about having a new car in unfamiliar/stressful driving situation is a good one. I'll have to ponder that some more.
And I will be sure to watch out for the big Euro sedans on the autostrada. I hope they don't slow me down too much
Thanks again.
On the other hand, we met a couple in Munich who'd just driven their new 645 to Kosovo and had no problems.
Also, if you're going to ship from Italy be aware that they drive your car back to Germany.
They will pay only up to $560 and it applies only to those flying from the east coast.
Check the Lufthansa-BMW link at http://cms.lufthansa.com/fly/us/en/gnf/0,,0-0-1090186,00.html
I also wonder how soon the dealers will start taking the orders for the E90.
More people have said summer 2005 is most likely.
Almost all the new or heavily-revised models BMW has introduced lately have had dismal first-year reliability records, let alone the first month or two of production. And I've heard this new model will be heavily revised with new Valvetronic engines, a new electrical system (canbus - LAN like), and tons of electronic gizmos and gadgets.
Sounds like a headache the first year or so. And by doing it ED, you'd have risk that you could have major problems with your new car during a vacation in a strange country.
Finally, BMW has had to do last minute slips of some of their recent vehicles to catch problems. No big deal if you're waiting here for one in the states, but a total PITA if you've bought tickets and made reservations for ED.
I'd strongly advise waiting a year to say off the bleeding edge.
- Mark
How long after you drop the vehicle off in Germany does it take for it to arrive at your home dealer (I am located in upstate NY)?
Is the price quoted for ED negotiable?
When I have brought up participating in the ED program with the local dealers I am speaking with they are not very receptive. Why is that? Should I expect them not to give me good service if I do the ED program?
After dropping the car off in Europe for shipment they say to expect 4 to 6 weeks before delivery at home. In both cases our's took 5 weeks.
The price, at least at my dealer in NC, is negotiable. I took Edmunds invoice and subtracted the European Delivery discount and then negotiated a profit. That profit of course depends on how available a vehicle is. They might want more for the new 3 Series for example since it's just coming out.
I can't imagine why your dealer is showing little interest in helping you with European Delivery. The actual car (in most cases) doesn't come out of their allocations. It's probably a case of not wanting to do the extra little paperwork that's needed. The Service should no different BMW does all this to insure brand loyalty so the dealer should be on the same page.
I am planning to buy a 325i and run the ED experience. One of the optionals i am including in my car is the navigation system. At two BMW dealers I've been told that the car will be equipped with the US version. If I want to drive the car in Europe I will need to buy the Europe package for the navigation system (around 200$). did any of you have used this in Europe? Does it make sense to buy it for 2 weeks?
Also, I learned today that as of 12/1/2004 (yesterday), BMW ED offers free premium road insurance for 2 weeks instead of 30 days. If you plan to be in Europe more than 2 weeks you will need to buy additional insurance.
http://www.bmwusa.com/bmwexperience/EuropeanDelivery/savings.htm
This forum is great, got lots of tips for my trip. Thanks, Alex
Check eBay or ask your dealer to buy copies to loan/rent to their ED customers.
It's very stupid that the BMW ED program has not already planned an easy way to handle short term usage of the nav discs.
What they should be doing is preloading the Euro discs when you pick up the car and swapping them for US discs at the port. I think they used to swap the radios at the ports if they didn't work for both US and Europe, so why not swap DVDs?
Maybe this is an opportunity for a company like NetFlix!
thanks for your input. Question: what is E46, E90 ? not sure if you refer to the navigation system version.
Thanks,
The Garmin V I use now is under $300, if you look around on-line & comes w/ the full North American map set. The European maps are expensive ~$300, but invaluable. I went all over England with 100% confidence that I was going to get where I wanted to go, without dangerous distractions.
The V is monochome, doesn't talk to you (but does beep at appropriate times) & has a small screen, but to me offers tremendous value for the money. Besides which it can be used in rental cars & the airplane (window seat req'd), as well as hikes and what-have-you.
Good luck w/ your ED.
E46=2000-2006? 3-Series Coupe and Rag Top
E90=2006- 3-Series Sedan
E90=2007?- 3-Series Coupe and Rag Top
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Shipo
So, check here on Edmunds or KBB (easier to use) to get the US invoice price.. You can also see the spread between MSRP and invoice there.
Then...
325i.. subtract $2030
330i.. subtract $2435
525i.. subtract $2790
530i.. subtract $3055
These are the differences between US invoice and ED invoice for these specific models, regardless of equipment or options..
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Those numbers came straight off the dealer's pdf.
Remember... all options have the same MSRP and invoice, whether US or ED, so if you have the US numbers, you only need to make the adjustment to the base price.
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- Mark